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Odelay42 ,

The police are worse than useless.

saltesc ,

Nooo. Like their cars say, they’re there to protect and to serve and-… Oh, I see how they may have slipped up on this one. And maybe in a few other incidents… Regularly… All the time…Okay, you have a point.

killeronthecorner ,
@killeronthecorner@lemmy.world avatar

They should change it to “reject and swerve”.

AgnosticMammal ,

They’d do well in consulting then!

kautau ,

Protect capitalist interests and serve the capitalist agenda. Steal from a wal mart? Multi unit response. Shoot up a school, light your wife on fire so she burns to death horrifically? Not worth the effort

vanontom ,
@vanontom@lemmy.world avatar

Seems like false advertising. Cease and desist! If not, should be forced to add disclaimer everywhere, stating the fact that they’re not actually legally required to “protect and serve” anyone in particular. And will not be personally liable for any damages (like shooting your dog when they raid the wrong house).

StopSpazzing ,
@StopSpazzing@lemmy.world avatar

They should take a page from senator and yell your attacking me, but add bullets to the mix, ya know?

massive_bereavement ,
@massive_bereavement@kbin.social avatar

Let's just stick at the end of that phrase a needed word:

Money

ShepherdPie ,

That’s why they often put it quotes for plausible deniability: “we just put that on our cars 'cause we heard some guy say it once.”

refurbishedrefurbisher ,

Protect and serve the wealthy class

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

There was a story on reddit about a ex husband sending death threat letters and police said, “unless you’re being raped or dead, we can’t help you.”

AdolfSchmitler ,

Send those letters to a cops wife or daughter and I guarantee they do something

blanketswithsmallpox ,

Those are just letters from the cop to their wife or daughter…

givesomefucks ,

“cop shopping” is also known as “finding a needle in a haystack” or “the one cop that will do the minimum of their job”.

At the beginning of April 2021, police charged Johnston with four serious domestic violence offences against Wilkinson. He was given watch house bail.

In the weeks that followed, Wilkinson attempted to speak to police “almost every day” about her concerns in relation to Johnston, her sister, Natalie Wilkinson told the Gold Coast Bulletin in 2021, including allegations he had breached the conditions of his domestic violence order.

Another sister, Danielle Carroll, said at that time that Kelly had told police, “I am scared for my life, I am scared for my children’s life. We are not safe”.

Custoslibera ,

I’m curious what the cops could have actually done given existing legislation.

Were they able to arrest and detain him because he was in breach of the AVO or can’t they do anything?

If they could have done something and didn’t then they should be held accountable.

If the law is written such that they couldn’t arrest him then I’m not sure what could have changed.

It’s a frustrating thing.

cogman , (edited )

With weekly break-ins, they could have watched the place and arrested whoever is breaking in for, you know, the crime of breaking and entering. They could have further gotten a protective order against the dude and then watched the place again after he left jail.

She didn’t report the break-in once.

Cosmonauticus ,

They could’ve arrested him

In the weeks that followed, Wilkinson attempted to speak to police “almost every day” about her concerns in relation to Johnston, her sister, Natalie Wilkinson told the Gold Coast Bulletin in 2021, including allegations he had breached the conditions of his domestic violence order.

ElderWendigo ,

This is such a weak argument. The police have a wide latitude in their discretion in the way they execute the law and almost no individual liability for any actions they take (e.g. murder, theft, rape, etc.), especially when they fear for their own lives or think someone may have broken an imaginary law that only exists inside their own head. But, when someone needs actual help and protection, suddenly their hands are tied by red tape? It’s more than frustrating, it’s straight up Orwellian doublespeak.

blanketswithsmallpox ,

His point stands though.

For the same reason why people sit through the CSR saying to power cycle and check the cords… Everyone has red tape they know they have to go through for their jobs. Domestic abuse cases are especially under scrutiny. Hell in my state, they HAVE to arrest someone if they show up.

Almost all of these cases stand with a crux on 1st amendment issues. Until they receive direct threats with times and ‘hows’, then it’s file a restraining order. For murderers though, it means nothing. Police aren’t exactly funded enough to plant a cruiser in front of her house too unless they think it’s imminent.

You could hire a bodyguard, but good luck if you’re remotely poor.

There’s also small merit to saying well go get a gun! You have to sleep sometimes. Only so many cameras you can put up in your home and you miss a notification.

Few people can afford a name change and just up and move. Most can’t even do that due to the legal system restricting where you can if you have children with them.

Simply put, someone who’s not full on dumb can murder anyone if they really wanted to. It’s just something every society hates thinking about.

Custoslibera ,

I don’t disagree with you in principle but I don’t want to have a situation where police detain people on the off chance they may commit a future crime.

That’s a recipe for disaster.

In this case though it could be argued that the police releasing him on bail was a mistake and the courts should have made the call.

AA5B ,

I know someone who helps run a series of shelters, where people in fear of abuse can hide. It’s not the cops, but cops sometimes send people their way. They have an ever-changing set of safe houses, and my friend can’t even say where she works in case one of the locations gets out.

I have no idea how they connect with victims though

Milk_Sheikh ,

If you are charged, the police may release you on bail from the watch-house. Otherwise, they must take you to court as soon as possible and release you if the court grants bail.

He was found sufficiently suspicious/liable enough in the initial investigation to warrant being arrested and given a formal charge, but still released on bail.

If police charge you with an offence, they must give you a notice to appear or a full charge sheet (also called a bench charge sheet), which provides details of the charge. Police will provide the full charge sheet if they arrest and formally charge you at the watch house.

They saw what he was doing to her, agreed enough to charge him with a crime, and then released him, with details of her complaints to the police in hand. DVO + this new offense should have been obvious that he has reoffend - the police’s behavior was completely negligent

Custoslibera ,

Are you saying that police released him on bail?

Milk_Sheikh ,

Article clearly says:

At the beginning of April 2021, police charged Johnston with four serious domestic violence offences against Wilkinson. He was given **watch house bail.**In the weeks that followed, Wilkinson attempted to speak to police “almost every day” about her concerns

I’m not a lawyer, nor an Australian lawyer, but a quick search seems that “watch house bail” is the term for “released on bail/bond” equivalent - hence the prior link to the Queensland government website.

Custoslibera ,

In that case then yeah they screwed up.

Nurse_Robot ,

ACAB

maness300 ,

Yes. All cops are bastards, you can’t fight, and you don’t own a gun.

Who exactly do you expect to protect you in situations like this, then? The fairy-godmother?

PilferJynx ,

I would expect police to help, but that didn’t happen, hence ACAB.

Moggy ,

You’re just FULL of bad takes. Take the L and get off the internet. Or go watch another video from Andrew Tate that just EXUDES homosexual tension, while claiming to be aggressively hetero. I’m sure you love those.

Lucidlethargy ,

Are you saying people who don’t rely on cops don’t own guns? I have news for you… The media is lying to you.

x4740N ,
@x4740N@lemmy.world avatar

Actions speak louder than words QPS

Can’t fucking beleive this happened in my own state, my own country

I thought we wouldn’t have to deal with the same bullshit in america here as well

Bluetreefrog ,

Write to your police minister. They know that only a small percentage of people who care actually take the time and effort to write in, so if you do so, it has more of an impact than you may think.

It also forces them to reply, so the squeaky wheel and all that.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

It’s not illegal to call them up every day and just say her name.

MisterFrog ,
@MisterFrog@lemmy.world avatar

Via their non emergency number though

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Of course.

Callmesuperman ,

Johnston tied Wilkinson to a clothesline and set her on fire on 20 April 2021.

Holy fuck what a monster.

maness300 ,

It’s a shame he got married in the first place when so many better men are left out to dry.

Glytch ,

Incel weirdo.

Moggy ,

Dude, you’re not a better man. MAYBE less violent, but still a massively manipulative moron if you think ANY of the shit you’ve repeated here is true. I thought SOME of that shit when I was a TEENAGER! You know what happened when I realized I was the one who sucked? I met great women! Quit blaming others for YOUR inadequacies! You’re a shit-stain on the male gender, just like that murderer.

stopthatgirl7 OP ,
@stopthatgirl7@kbin.social avatar

Please go to therapy to work out your weird issues with women.

Shou ,

People only say that, when they aren’t any better. “He/she should have chose me!”

AnalogyAddict ,

The only people who think that way are exactly like this guy. Entitled.

rambaroo ,

I fucking can’t man. This poor woman. What a horrible and terrifying way to die.

HerbalGamer ,
@HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

“She reported breaches to the police five times in the week before she was murdered and all but one officer told her to basically go away and don’t come back and just come into the station once a week because you’re coming in too often to report breaches,” criminologist Kerry Carrington told the inquest.

“Stop being a victim of crime! It’s annoying!”

Fedizen ,

would prolly take years of searching to find a theoretical good cop

Mycatiskai ,

When people say “it is just a few bad apples” they never finish the saying “one bad apple spoils the barrel”

If someone tries to say that the meaning is different than that just tell them there is only one meaning and it is based on science.

Ripening apples produce ethylene gas, which triggers aging and increases ethylene production in other, nearby apples.

AnalogyAddict ,

When I tried to report my suspicions that my ex was abusing my kids, I was told by DCFS to stop stirring up trouble or I would lose custody.

Years later, my kids are old enough to be listened to, and the DA office still chose not to prosecute because it’s he-said-she-said. Both kids have mental health issues stemming from child abuse that I have to deal with on a daily basis, all while trying to juggle my mental health as a previous abuse victim from the same man.

And then they say that victims fail to report. Well, duh. It’s often safer not to.

theangryseal ,

My sister ended up losing custody for the same thing.

I begged her not to do it because I knew exactly how it would go. I said, “Seriously, you’re in a custody dispute. They’re going to treat you like you’re making this up. Wait. Be patient. I know it sucks. It just isn’t the right time for it.”

The kid is very autistic and he sits and yells at himself now, “You’re just bad Adam! You do this on purpose Adam! That’s for girls Adam! You’re not a girl Adam! You’re just a troublemaker Adam!” I wish I could remember what my mom told me he was yelling at himself about the other day, she was in tears.

I don’t know. It’s a sad situation. Her ex definitely has better resources for dealing with him (financially, which is a lot with autism as bad as his) but I can’t imagine him yelling criticisms at himself all the time if my sister didn’t lose him. He was allowed to express himself and dance and play dress up before. He don’t have that any more. Because he likes Disney princesses a lot and she had photographed him playing with dolls and things, they made a big deal about that in this small town.

Sad situation.

archonet ,

You go give that kid a hug on my behalf and tell him he’s allowed to like all the Disney princesses he wants right now goddamnit

midori ,

And another hug from me too goddammit

AnalogyAddict ,

I wasn’t even in a dispute. I had full custody, and he had minimum visitation, which was still half the kids’ free time. And he had been convicted of domestic violence.

That poor, sweet child. We are failing our children in the guise of parent’s rights.

theangryseal ,

My sister has been through it, she really has.

The guardian ad litem hates her guts and has practically dragged her through hell.

When Adam was about 3 it really became clear that something was off with him. You couldn’t get his attention unless he wanted you to have it. He’d run in circles for long periods of time. I joined him once and I started running in the other direction and he lost his shit.

He started taking shirts and using them like wigs and singing Disney songs, and it was a huge leap in his development so my sister got him some wigs. It wasn’t just princess wigs, he had a bunch of them. Short hair, long hair, Halloween costumes as Batman, but he really gravitated toward the princess stuff. She didn’t put a limit on him or encourage one thing or the other. The ex said, “you’re gonna make him gay letting him wear that stuff.” My sister’s response was, “He isn’t going to have much of an opportunity for a sexuality, you’re overreacting.” And in truth, I can’t see him ever having a life where he’s going to be dating and things like that. It just isn’t going to happen. He communicates his needs, but he isn’t ever going to be able to be independent.

And even if he could, he makes his own decisions. When it’s time to pick out his clothes, he doesn’t try to wear dresses. It’s just an outlet for him while he plays. He understands that he’s just reenacting what he sees. He likes what he likes.

Well, once the guardian ad litem heard about that, it was 100% what she focused on. She said in court that my sister was encouraging him to be a girl and confusing him. She went in and photographed his costumes, purposely leaving out the cowboy and superhero stuff, the pompadour, the ninja turtles. She photographed the princess stuff and the dolls.

It’s a bummer. I’m not gonna lie, the first time I seen him twirling around singing “Let it Go” in a blonde wig, it made me uneasy. But seeing him smile and laugh when he usually sits expressionless was huge.

It sucks that we put so much into our roles in this world that a happy kid has to question his happiness when so many doors are closed to him already because of his condition. It really does.

otp ,

“you’re gonna make him gay letting him wear that stuff."

I can’t understand how people can be this ignorant and stupid…

AnalogyAddict ,

I always want to ask, “so the only reason you’re a straight man is because you played with GI Joe?”

Because that would explain a lot about why you protest so strongly.

neomachino ,

This is a great response that I’m gone a steal the next timee someone has an issue with my son carrying around an Elsa doll

Bleach7297 ,
@Bleach7297@lemmy.ca avatar

You may have meant this more of an expression of shock, regardless it is good to think about the question. Hope you don’t mind if I run with it for the general discussion.

Babies and children have an innate desire to learn, which can be nourished or beaten down. If it’s beaten down long enough, “Ignorant” may become that child’s preferred state as they get older, for reasons of domestic safety and social norms.

This lack of respect for knowledge and the accompanying lack of knowledge makes things that are outside someone’s worldview threatening. They respond as if it was a threat and the cycle continues.

It is supposed to be the job of schools to rescue children from that cycle, by providing them with a space where they can be curious and not have to worry about a bigoted family member coming down on them. Sometimes they succeed but I think more often they don’t, especially in areas where bigotry is rampant and/or where schools are underfunded or beholden to antisocial policies and laws.

I’m on a long bus ride, hence the exposition :)

cogman ,

“our job is to harass brown people, not to protect the public”

HarkMahlberg ,
@HarkMahlberg@kbin.social avatar

Days after Wilkinson was killed, Johnston’s lawyer told reporters that “obviously, no one expected this to happen”.

This fucking nonce's very existence is an insult to all mankind.

maness300 ,

A nonce is another name for a pedophile.

It doesn’t mean what you think it means.

threeduck ,
@threeduck@aussie.zone avatar

In Australia it’s more akin to “an idiot, or fool”.

baseless_discourse ,

!nottheonion

pearable ,

The system is designed to fail the vulnerable. Cops are domestic abusers, racists, and fascists. We need to develop ways to protect ourselves and our community. Wilkinson should have had an option other than the cops. She needed people who had been victimized in the past or at least would believe her and stood to protect her. Folks who would take turns keeping watch over her or give her and her kids a safe place to stay.

I don’t think the cops can be reformed but that doesn’t mean we can’t keep each other safe.

Mossheart ,

I suppose holding law enforcement to a higher standard than the rest of us would be a good start. Heck I’d settle for the same standard as the rest of us right now

pearable ,

That would be nice, but how? They have 50 years of excellent, unearned, PR. 20% of scripted television is about unrealistically wonderful cops. When a local government has a problem their first response is always to throw cops at it. Any time they get the slightest pushback they threaten to stop doing all the things the municipality thinks they’re doing. Every time a cop’s ability to do whatever they want, including nothing, is threatened a massive media reaction rises up to defend them.

That’s why I think we need alternatives. We need to replace cops. The people who solve problems cannot think of themselves as sheep dogs protecting the sheep from the wolves. Someone protecting a potential DV victim from assault might need a gun but someone handling traffic enforcement does not. People running welfare checks don’t need guns. People responding to a public mental health emergency almost never need guns.

Citation needed and Behind the Bastards cop episodes are excellent background if you’d like to know why I’m so jaded when it comes to cop reform.

Shenanigore ,

You ever watch any of those cop shows? They’re not wonderful cops, they literally are walking examples of “ends justify the means” philosophies but with charismatic actors. The constitutional violations are myriad and disturbing, I’d almost call those shows fascist propaganda and maybe y’all should look up Dick Wolf and his standing in the republican party and why conservative politicians sometimes work between terms on his shows portraying elected political types.

pearable ,

100%. Unrealistically effective is a better way to say it. Cops are bad at solving societal problems. Bad at solving murders, theft, and other crimes. However, those shows basically make the case that cops are the only ones capable of solving those problems.

maness300 ,

Wilkinson should have had an option other than the cops.

She did. Arm herself and stay as far away from him as possible.

ArcaneSlime ,

(Well, Australia.)

Vlarbgersplah ,

I guarantee part of the reason why she was repeatedly ignored was because her husband happened to be a marine.

Geobloke ,

No one cares about marines in Australia

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