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solstice , in The IRS plans to crack down on 1,600 millionaires to collect millions of dollars in back taxes

I’m a cpa, and from what I can tell I’m the only one on Lemmy, god help me, so I’ll chime in.

Partnerships with $10 billion assets are no joke so I would imagine they are businesses like real estate holding companies, hedge funds, private equity, venture capital, things like that. Probably clients of a Big 4 like PWC Deloitte EY or KPMG.

The thing about entities like that is that they tend to be insanely complicated with TONS of moving parts. They’ll be dealing with complex financial instruments, partners coming in and out, financing structures that aren’t at all straightforward (if you’ve seen Shark Tank Mr Wonderful is infamous for offering complex financing deals rather than straight equity deals) plus international tax complications, book/tax timing differences, and all kinds of other stuff I can’t begin to get into.

Oh, and that’s just the tax side of it all. That’s not even starting to talk about the actual accounting, recording the transactions, balance sheets, income statements, and so on, which is an enormous layer of complexity before we even think about tax. Zillions of moving parts with plenty of room for errors and omissions.

Partnerships don’t pay tax at the business level so the individuals who own them need to report the income and activity on their personal returns and pay tax at that level. It’s not at all easy reporting their share of activity from entities like hedge funds and PE so plenty of mistakes are made, some quite substantial. Im guessing they are going to look at the partnerships first and compare to the biggest owners returns to make sure everything jives.

I find this news great. Our industry often faces challenges due to time constraints, budget limitations, client-provided data quality, logistics, and so on. Unethical behavior is rare among practitioners, but there are some shady ones. Typically, we defer issues, leaving them for others to handle, which seldom result in consequences.

Throughout my career, the IRS has never questioned our filed returns for individuals or businesses. We’ve received notices, mostly related to administrative matters rather than full audits.

A strengthened IRS enhances compliance, but the accounting industry is strained with few professionals and a lack of future talent. We already cut corners for efficiency, so aiming for flawless accuracy could pose a significant problem. It’s just another challenge to add to our list…

derocker ,

This guy accounts

girlfreddy OP ,
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My issue with the taxman is that they have created and continue to allow those complications which only the rich can use, and therefore are elitist rules.

I wish the feds would/could go back to a basic tax structure based on wealth/income alone … where there’s nowhere for the rich to hide.

solstice , (edited )

The thing is, much of the complexity is directly in response to the stunts jackasses have pulled over the decades, to prevent that from happening again.

Complexity aside, focusing on sheer logistics, to do a true full scale ‘drop your shorts and cough’ audit, the auditor would need to cross-reference receipts and bank statements to financial statements, then to the business returns, and follow it all to the individual owners.

That’s a colossal task, and it’s just too much work, not enough time to do it, and not enough qualified people to do it. Hopefully AI can assist in streamlining this process significantly in the future but who knows.

VentraSqwal ,

I’m glad you’re here! We need more people than just tech people lol.

Naura ,

My spouse works for compliance and usually you are given a chance to right everything before it goes as far as being audited. Like you said, mostly administrative issues is taken care at the first level and it’s no biggie.

So if someone is being audited something is already very wrong and the first level folks have sent the case to audits or even criminal investigations.

solstice ,

Sort of. The IRS has an office of criminal investigations which is more equivalent to like an FBI raid with armed agents going to your home or a business and seizing your shit, maybe making arrests. I’ve personally never seen this or even heard of it second hand, but I’ve read about it. It’s extremely rare and as you said you usually have ample opportunity to deescalate before it gets to that point. Overall though the term audit is just a third party reviewing your work for accuracy, which could be a simple smell check review, or a long laborious process going dumpster diving with a microscope looking at everything. It’s unclear from the article what this is going to be.

ToucheGoodSir ,

Deeply appreciate you taking time out of your day to write an opinion on this (career related) news!:) you’re doing your part.jpeg

solstice ,

My pleasure, I’m a huge nerd for this stuff and tax is super complicated obviously. Happy to help people understand. The more people understand in the general the easier my life is, lol

Grant_M ,
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Thank you!

mycall ,

Does the gaps inside the flaws of accuracy often incur fill ins black market entities?

solstice ,

I’m sorry, I don’t understand the question. Can you rephrase please?

artisanrox , in Texas paid bitcoin miner more than $31 million to cut energy usage during heat wave
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If they stopped killing their kids down there for five minutes they can figure out how awful this is and get their grid reconnected.

Microplasticbrain ,

Lol they cant. The texas grid is separate because they dont follow federal regulations. They cant just reconnect it without bringing it to code lolololol

hitmyspot ,

I think that’s their point. Instead of weaponising “woke” and fighting culture wars, they could get their grid to code and connect it.

Gingerlegs , in China claims ownership of the Taiwan Strait. Canada just sailed a warship through it
Kalkaline ,
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That’s not a real picture of a Canadian, not nearly enough plaid.

AmosBurton_ThatGuy ,
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Also needs a hockey stick for good measure

OrteilGenou ,

Literally red and green, doesn’t get much Canadianer. If the Chinese can’t find you handsome, they can say least find your navy.

girlfreddy OP ,
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I miss Red Green!

AnAngryAlpaca ,

“sorry…”

knexcar , in Powerful earthquake strikes Morocco, killing more than 1,000

How many earthquakes has Morocco had by now? Seems like every day they have a new earthquake that pops up on here, each one with more people dead than the last.

cloaker , in Powerful earthquake strikes Morocco, killing more than 1,000

Bloody awful news. Spain please offer assistance.

Gestrid , in 'One Chip Challenge' pulled from shelves after mother says spicy tortilla chip contributed to her son's death

A coworker of mine tried it one time while he was on the clock. He ended up having to go to the ER. They gave him something that coated his stomach (or at least that’s how he described it). He wasn’t fired or anything (and I don’t think he should’ve been, anyway), but people generally thought it was a pretty stupid move.

Surreal , in Musk's interference to protect Russia allowed Russian attacks on Ukrainian cities, and resulted in the deaths of civilians including children - Zelensky advisor.

Elon Musk is afraid of Putin’s revenge. Crucial infrastructure like Starlink should be handled by the government, not a corp. Otherwise the corp will prioritize shareholders and profit rather than human’s life

Ragerist ,
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But then comes the issue, which government? As Starlink is global infrastructure.

Atomic ,

Pretty sure he’s talking about the government of the country the company is registered in. As the is the only one that can realistically nationalise it.

over_clox ,

Starlink is only ‘global’ as long as Elon approves of the GPS coordinates. With that in mind, ‘global’ is about a joke, it’s at Elon’s whim…

AA5B ,

I think he’s basically gullible. His companies have given him so much money, he just assumes he’s right. However he doesn’t understand diplomacy and Putin played him. He should have deferred to the state department, who deal with that BS all the time

Misconduct ,

I’m so tired of these literal cartoon villains having power I stg

iforgotmyinstance ,

Putin 100 percent has kompromat on Musk. Likely the pedophile shit he did with Trump and Epstein.

FarceMultiplier ,
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A couple of years ago, Musk stated that Putin is substantially richer than he is.

Add to that Putin’s bloodthirsty lunacy. Musk may actually fear his wrath.

Thekingoflorda , in Musk's interference to protect Russia allowed Russian attacks on Ukrainian cities, and resulted in the deaths of civilians including children - Zelensky advisor.
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spaghettiwestern OP ,

Will try to remember to check the rules of each community before posting. Added a link to a news article. Thanks for the heads-up.

Thekingoflorda ,
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No problem. Thank you for responding (:

Illuminostro , in The IRS plans to crack down on 1,600 millionaires to collect millions of dollars in back taxes

Tee hee.

Duamerthrax , in 'One Chip Challenge' pulled from shelves after mother says spicy tortilla chip contributed to her son's death

I don’t have any opinion on the safety of the chip, but I’m glad it’s being discontinued just because of the over indulgent packaging.

Fraylor ,

Surprisingly good take. I agree

a9249 , in Musk's interference to protect Russia allowed Russian attacks on Ukrainian cities, and resulted in the deaths of civilians including children - Zelensky advisor.

That’s treason,… is it not?

Duamerthrax ,

Technically, no. But I doubt that Musk will be getting any contracts in Ukraine after the war. Probably ruined any other future business in any of the other countries in a similar situation as Ukraine bordering Russia as well.

Atomic ,

He’s not ukrainian so I don’t see why or how it would be treason.

Just a very shitty move.

PeleSpirit ,

He helped a country we have sanctions against.

severien ,

That’s just twisting of reality.

I hate Musk, but Starlink has been immensely important to Ukraine, I remember Michael Kofman saying that if there’s one wonder weapon in this war, it’s the Starlink.

What Musk did was refusing to help more. Shitty move, but it’s absurd to call it “helping Russia”. You also aren’t helping Russia because you don’t send all your discretionary income to Ukrainian army.

PeleSpirit ,

He was paid for a service and he turned it off, that’s way different than “helping more”. Don’t be a Musk apologist, he’s got billions to go to that cause.

severien , (edited )

Musk provided terminals and connections initially for free, a contract with US for compensation was awarded only later.

The policy to provide coverage only in Ukraine controlled area was there all along, so that was clearly part of that contract.

Again, I very much dislike Musk, but then I also dislike when hate obscures facts.

Hildegarde ,

That is not treason.

PeleSpirit ,

Are you saying it doesn’t meet the definition or he can’t be tried for it. I’m assuming you’re not a lawyer but this is the definition. Elon’s actions=treason. Treason is the crime of attacking a state authority to which one owes allegiance.[1] This typically includes acts such as participating in a war against one’s native country, attempting to overthrow its government, spying on its military, its diplomats, or its secret services for a hostile and foreign power, or attempting to kill its head of state. A person who commits treason is known in law as a traitor.[2]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason

Hildegarde ,

If you read the wiki page, you’ll find that citation [1] is about Roman and Germanic law, and citation [2] is a dictionary. Neither of which are relevant to this case.

But even if your definition were relevant, Elon Musk did not commit treason because he is not a Ukrainian citizen, and owes no allegiance to them.

Elon Musk has US citizenship. But under US law, this isn’t treason either. Treason is defined in the constitution as “levying war against the U.S.” not the case here, or “or adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.”

You could argue this rises to the level of aid or comfort, but Russia is not an enemy in the eyes of the constitution. They would have to engage in open hostilities for that to be the case. The war in Ukraine is not open hostility against the US.

I’m not a lawyer, but I can do better research than copying the first paragraph from the first searh result.

Treason is a serious crime STOP diminishing that word by misusing it.

vandermouche ,

For Ukraine yes this treason. But in USA if you an oligarch with a lot of money you can do what you want. I won’t be suprise if the republicans will promote to stop the war by not sending ressources to Ukraine. You know, to promote democracy and free world…

AA5B ,

I think there’s even a decent case to make this distinction, that Starlink is for communication but not attacking. The problem is making the decision unilaterally, in secret, with no warning, and contrary to customer expectations, with timing that uniquely benefits an enemy of civilization

iforgotmyinstance ,

Russia is an enemy aggressor nation. Helping their military and their government without U.S. Congress approval is treason.

meldroc ,

The US law Musk violated would be the Logan Act…

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

Widowmaker_Best_Girl , in Nancy Pelosi: Democrat and ex-Speaker, 83, to seek re-election

Can we not be ruled by geriatrics anymore?

WolfhoundRO ,

Geriatocracy

hesusingthespiritbomb , in California moves closer to historic caste discrimination ban

They gonna do anything about the culture of indians only hiring other Indians?

hesusingthespiritbomb , in Reddit faces content quality concerns after its Great Mod Purge

The NFL reddit sucks now. My less geeky friends who don’t give shit about lemmy have commented on it.

pewgar_seemsimandroid , in Elon Musk ‘committed evil’ with Starlink order, says Ukrainian official

so that’s what i missed

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