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prettydarknwild ,
@prettydarknwild@lemmy.world avatar

that’s why we cannot trust billionaires and big corporations

tootbrute ,

Exactly why taiwan is looking to build their own system. You can’t entrust anything to musk with his deep saudi-china links

Taiwan, meanwhile, is hesitant to use Starlink’s services for fear of Musk’s close ties with China. A dominant player in the global chips market, Taiwan feels exposed to the constant threat of Chinese invasion. Using Starlink might be one way to bolster its national and data security—especially when Taiwan suspects China of cutting its submarine internet cables. But for Taiwan to rely too heavily on Starlink might prove unwise, in the event that China pressures Musk to limit network access abruptly, as he has done in certain situations in Ukraine.

qz.com/china-taiwan-starlink-elon-musk-satellite-…

ilmagico ,

And if they do they could let Ukraine use it, as they’re likely more trustworthy than Musk.

Still, I dont see in that article where it says Taiwan is building its own system, is there another source?

tootbrute ,

This one is paywalled fortune.com/…/elon-musk-starlink-ukraine-war-insp…

This one isn’t rusi.org/…/starlink-20-taiwans-plan-sovereign-sat…

PlatypusXray ,

I wonder what would happen if a national intelligence agency was tasked with eliminating a billionaire. Could private security, however sophisticated, really deflect assassination attempts from a state? That has nothing to do with Elon Musk, though. He is way too beloved and cherished to ever become a target.

Bytemeister ,

On the one hand, we have “reaper” missiles that are basically flying guillotines, that can strike with enough accuracy to kill a particular person in a particular car seat while not harming the other occupants.

On the other hand, how many times did we fuck up killing Castro?

bennieandthez ,
@bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Lol whats next? Elon Musk caused the war.

PeleSpirit ,

No, Putin did. Elon is just an accessory.

HawlSera ,

“But wait, there’s more!”

Seems to be the to not only be a famous line from the late Billy Mayes, but also the correct response when someone is disgusted by what a shit person Musk is…

Didn’t think “Child Murderer” was going to wind up on his sin list.

At least we have a public confession, try him.

Grant_M ,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

Musk needs to be charged with war crimes along with his kremlin allies.

Adalast ,

Maybe not war crimes, but definitely charges for directly attacking a sovereign state’s military assets while engaged in an active operation. There has to be something in international law about this sort of behavior. Well, maybe not, since the ability for a single citizen to have the power to directly attack an entire military action is unprecedented. Seriously, what is stopping him from jamming any signal he wants if he can manage this? Will a full constellation be able to suppress wifi over a large area? Cell towers? Standard radio signals? Would it be able to be selective?

This action of his constitutes a privately owned and operated military-grade weapon which actually threatens even the super powers.

Imotali ,
@Imotali@lemmy.world avatar

Actually there is in American law. He actively aided and abetted an enemy of the state he is a citizen. That’s called treason.

Adalast ,

Oh… I’m crossing my fingers. That said, we don’t have the best track record with treason proceedings recently.

Imotali ,
@Imotali@lemmy.world avatar

I mean… Jan 6 says all you need to know about whether he’ll ever be charged.

Fades ,

B-b-but Elon wouldn’t want to get involved in war!! Aside from all the ways he’s involved himself in the war….

Jfc

ChicoSuave ,

The US should nationalize Starlink. If private business decisions are going to undermine world stability then those decisions are antithetical to any kind of peace and need to be treated as the threat that they are. A single person picking sides shouldn’t result in a casual body count that Elon never is punished for but it now does and he looks to be getting away with actual manslaughter.

bradorsomething ,

The response we’ll see is the DoD making their own Starlink, but with $500 toilet seats and $100 hammers. Aw, forget the Starlink, we’ll just do those.

Burn_The_Right ,

So, explain to me how Elon should not be considered a strategic target now? He is materially supporting the Ruzzians by killing innocent civilians. He cannot be ignored at this point.

It seems he should be considered an obvious target by anyone who wishes to support the Ukranian defense. Maybe someone close enough to him supports Ukraine and will see a moral obligation (and opportunity) to defend Ukraine.

iforgotmyinstance ,

Russia is a sanctioned nation with a public history of cyber attacks and false flag attacks on Americans. They also openly meddled in the 2016 and 2020 elections (thank fuck they didn’t pull 2020 successfully).

Providing aid and comfort to Russian military and political figures is explicitly treason.

Burn_The_Right ,

I think I recall the punishment for treason is pretty stiff. The day he is held accountable will be a day for celebration.

GoodEye8 , (edited )

I’m amazed US DOD hasn’t torn him a new asshole considering they’re now paying to use Starlink in Ukraine. Musks ability to decide how Starlink should be used is a clear security risk.

Dark_Arc ,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

They might have behind the scenes

bradorsomething ,

If he’d have just been smart and quietly sucked the government teat, he’d be set with DoD contracts.

Burn_The_Right , (edited )

Agreed! At this point, the DoD would be ignorant to not prioritize their own development of an LEO network. Once in place, they could dislodge or remove any of Elon’s floating shitballs to prioritize the safe operation of their own, citing national security. Fuck Elon.

Prandom_returns ,

Not only a fraud, but also a terrorist support.

Fades ,

Don’t forget a disgusting billionaire, authoritarian, hater of his own children, and a fascist

Oh and sexual abuser, can’t forget that one

Surreal ,

Elon Musk is afraid of Putin’s revenge. Crucial infrastructure like Starlink should be handled by the government, not a corp. Otherwise the corp will prioritize shareholders and profit rather than human’s life

Ragerist ,
@Ragerist@lemmy.world avatar

But then comes the issue, which government? As Starlink is global infrastructure.

Atomic ,

Pretty sure he’s talking about the government of the country the company is registered in. As the is the only one that can realistically nationalise it.

over_clox ,

Starlink is only ‘global’ as long as Elon approves of the GPS coordinates. With that in mind, ‘global’ is about a joke, it’s at Elon’s whim…

AA5B ,

I think he’s basically gullible. His companies have given him so much money, he just assumes he’s right. However he doesn’t understand diplomacy and Putin played him. He should have deferred to the state department, who deal with that BS all the time

Misconduct ,

I’m so tired of these literal cartoon villains having power I stg

iforgotmyinstance ,

Putin 100 percent has kompromat on Musk. Likely the pedophile shit he did with Trump and Epstein.

FarceMultiplier ,
@FarceMultiplier@lemmy.ca avatar

A couple of years ago, Musk stated that Putin is substantially richer than he is.

Add to that Putin’s bloodthirsty lunacy. Musk may actually fear his wrath.

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spaghettiwestern OP ,

Will try to remember to check the rules of each community before posting. Added a link to a news article. Thanks for the heads-up.

Thekingoflorda ,
@Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world avatar

No problem. Thank you for responding (:

a9249 ,

That’s treason,… is it not?

Duamerthrax ,

Technically, no. But I doubt that Musk will be getting any contracts in Ukraine after the war. Probably ruined any other future business in any of the other countries in a similar situation as Ukraine bordering Russia as well.

Atomic ,

He’s not ukrainian so I don’t see why or how it would be treason.

Just a very shitty move.

PeleSpirit ,

He helped a country we have sanctions against.

severien ,

That’s just twisting of reality.

I hate Musk, but Starlink has been immensely important to Ukraine, I remember Michael Kofman saying that if there’s one wonder weapon in this war, it’s the Starlink.

What Musk did was refusing to help more. Shitty move, but it’s absurd to call it “helping Russia”. You also aren’t helping Russia because you don’t send all your discretionary income to Ukrainian army.

PeleSpirit ,

He was paid for a service and he turned it off, that’s way different than “helping more”. Don’t be a Musk apologist, he’s got billions to go to that cause.

severien , (edited )

Musk provided terminals and connections initially for free, a contract with US for compensation was awarded only later.

The policy to provide coverage only in Ukraine controlled area was there all along, so that was clearly part of that contract.

Again, I very much dislike Musk, but then I also dislike when hate obscures facts.

Hildegarde ,

That is not treason.

PeleSpirit ,

Are you saying it doesn’t meet the definition or he can’t be tried for it. I’m assuming you’re not a lawyer but this is the definition. Elon’s actions=treason. Treason is the crime of attacking a state authority to which one owes allegiance.[1] This typically includes acts such as participating in a war against one’s native country, attempting to overthrow its government, spying on its military, its diplomats, or its secret services for a hostile and foreign power, or attempting to kill its head of state. A person who commits treason is known in law as a traitor.[2]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason

Hildegarde ,

If you read the wiki page, you’ll find that citation [1] is about Roman and Germanic law, and citation [2] is a dictionary. Neither of which are relevant to this case.

But even if your definition were relevant, Elon Musk did not commit treason because he is not a Ukrainian citizen, and owes no allegiance to them.

Elon Musk has US citizenship. But under US law, this isn’t treason either. Treason is defined in the constitution as “levying war against the U.S.” not the case here, or “or adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.”

You could argue this rises to the level of aid or comfort, but Russia is not an enemy in the eyes of the constitution. They would have to engage in open hostilities for that to be the case. The war in Ukraine is not open hostility against the US.

I’m not a lawyer, but I can do better research than copying the first paragraph from the first searh result.

Treason is a serious crime STOP diminishing that word by misusing it.

vandermouche ,

For Ukraine yes this treason. But in USA if you an oligarch with a lot of money you can do what you want. I won’t be suprise if the republicans will promote to stop the war by not sending ressources to Ukraine. You know, to promote democracy and free world…

AA5B ,

I think there’s even a decent case to make this distinction, that Starlink is for communication but not attacking. The problem is making the decision unilaterally, in secret, with no warning, and contrary to customer expectations, with timing that uniquely benefits an enemy of civilization

iforgotmyinstance ,

Russia is an enemy aggressor nation. Helping their military and their government without U.S. Congress approval is treason.

meldroc ,

The US law Musk violated would be the Logan Act…

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

HipHoboHarold ,

It’s also not a mistake when we know he’s buddy buddy with Russia. We know why they did it.

x4740N ,
@x4740N@lemmy.world avatar

Either elon is a ficking idiot or has Russian allies

FaeDrifter ,

Bourgeois solidary does not know national borders.

Atomic ,

Both? He’s been trying to meddle and play “peacekeeper” this entire time. Except his version of peace is. Let the Russians keep everything they’ve taken, take the L and deal with it so I can continue to sell products and services there.

AA5B ,

As a fan of some of Musk’s technical vision and how he’s revolutionizing society, I stringly believe he’s an effing idiot. People have given him so much praise, adulation, money, that he thinks he’s right and is easy to manipulate.

He’s a sucker who should go back to what he’s good at. Step back from the war and attempts at diplomacy, put Twitter on fire sale to someone who can fix it, and go back to your core. Let’s get cyber truck and semi out in force. Let’s deliver Roadster v2 and get to work on that rumored $25k cybercar. Let’s continue the revolution. Let’s get Starship/Superheavy flying, and continue through to Mars. Let’s continue the revolution of humans stepping out into the solar system. While he’s at it, it’s time to bail on some of the less successful sideshows. Stop wasting time and money trying to make a go of residential solar: great idea but if you can’t deliver something people can adfird, it’ll never work

SwingingTheLamp ,

SpaceX literally has somebody whose job it is to wrangle Musk, and keep him from fucking things up. They get great things done in spite of him, not because of him.

meldroc ,

The real person in charge of SpaceX and keeping it successful is Gwynne Shotwell.

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