I think the issue is republican leaders intentionally causing harm to migrant children for their own joy and political gain. They moved them to areas like new york with the goal of overburdening and breaking the system.
It’s be the equivalent of me buying 100,000 AR-15 and air dropping them onto a bus full of children; have a republican say wow these guns are a problem and respond, “oh so noooooow guns are a problem CHECKMATE”
Regardless, decades of actively fucking the people, land, and economies of south American countries have indeed caused a humanitarian crisis leading to migrants fleeing for safety and hope. Neither party seems to have much interest in proactively sorting it out. Reap what you sow.
So it’s fine when it’s a small border town, it’s not fine when it’s NYC, because we bussed them to NYC, to a place with more resources?
And accepting migrants isn’t a long term solution, it’s not a solution at all. What we need to do is fix their countries, and having their best flee isn’t helping their countries at all.
Randomly relocating migrants to other cities with zero communication or planning with pure intention of causing harm to the migrants as well as the people of the arrival city for political gain is indeed a bad thing to do. I must remind people that cruelty and harm is the point of Republican policies. There was no thought that New York has resources so clearly this is a good choice of the health of either the city or the migrant to send buses there; else it would be planned and communicated ahead of time.
Let’s use Texas for example. There are big cities in Texas if you weren’t aware: Dallas, Houston, Austin - odd that there was no thought of sending migrants to those cities with all their city resources. There are also large other cities between Texas and New York: Oklahoma City, Kansas City, Indianapolis, Charleston, Pittsburgh, etc - it’s almost like right wing propoganda incessantly targets New York as a city of Democrats and we must punish them. Cruelty is the point. There is no functional purpose of sending migrants to New York other than cruelty and chaos for political gain.
Ah yes, the cruelty and harm strawman again. This isn’t about hurting anyone, it’s about showing just how big of a problem dealing with them crossing illegally is. Apparently they can trek all the way up from wherever the fuck but the second you transport them to where democrats actually have to deal with the problem suddenly their movement is a problem.
Because their own choices matter — they went to that destination to be with their families and friends or to fill job opportunities they found. They are actual people with real feelings and ignoring their decisions to move them thousands of miles against their will as a political stunt is definitional cruelty.
If you don’t want immigrants in your town, you should move. Spoiler alert though, there are immigrants going to every town in the US. So you might have to leave the country and immigrate somewhere else.
They don’t get choices, what part of illegal do you not understand? They should get sent straight back, but if liberals want them they can have them in their cities.
Being intentionally obtuse doesn’t help anything, but at least from your above comment we agree that New York and other Democrat cities can and should take them.
Texas could reduce immigration demand unilaterally by prosecuting people who hire undocumented workers.
They don’t, because they want a permanent underclass to exploit.
This is a stunt for the base to make it look like the GOP hates the status quo, but this is the system that they’ve intended all along: it provides cheap labor for their donors and red meat for the people who hate immigrants and cities. They’re playing both sides of their coalition.
So let’s hold hands and sing in front of some candles while some signs are being shown saying make any hiring or helping or even any conversing with illegal aliens a felony. Where will we hold this vigil?
You seem like a very serious person who has thought deeply about this issue.
My favorite part is how I explained twice how Republican politicians are not interested in fixing this and you refuse to engage with it either time.
That’s the conservative calling card: pretend like you’ve got everything figured out, and when the obvious flaws are pointed out to you just pretend like we’re talking about something else.
Yes, I’m sure you’re a very serious and intellectually honest person who just needs to switch topics for very good reasons other than having no rebuttal.
You said your point was something wasn’t being done, I said let’s do something to get it done. I’m sorry if you don’t actually want that thing done, my mistake for assuming you meant what you said.
No just a yes or no, you either can or can’t answer the question. You said that was your point, that they don’t do it, so don’t back down now, unless you want to rethink your position.
I don’t think you know what the term strawman means, but I’ll leave that aside.
Physically harming others and intentional causing chaos to prove a point isn’t something a functional governing body should do. We return to cruelty is the point. This isn’t about solving any sort of issue or assisting the fabricated issue of boarder towns in chaos (citation needed). The singular goal is cause harm onto others and feel vindicated by causing that harm.
Democrats currently have continued most if not all of the previous standards at the boarder. Please cite a single open US boarder. Where is this open boarder that people can walk accross without any sort of harm or law breaking? I suppose Canada is relatively loosey goosey but no one is worried of that. They can bring maple syrup and affordable Healthcare all theyd like.
If you love next to an airport, expect noise. If you live next to a border, expect immigrants. It’s the idiots in a small town complaining about their choices that are causing this. If they don’t like it, move and then the people who want to be there live there
There’s a critical difference, though, between the complaints of the NY City and State politicians, and the complaints of the Governors of Southern states that are doing the busing.
Folks like Abbott are complaining about these people coming over the border, while simultaneously spending money to make then Someone Else’s problem.
The politicians in NYC are upset at folks like Abbott for sending so many migrants there, but acknowledge that they are humans that need help, and their beef with the Federal Government is simply to send more money. They are also explicitly asking for expedited work permits for these people. These migrants want to work, but have no legal way to do that right now.
Between the young people everywhere in the country who can’t afford to have children, the regressive laws that are driving out young people who can afford to start a family, and all these migrant humans that the South does not want, I would not be surprised if there is a major demographic shift in the next census, where the liberal states which have been seeing a net outflow of residents reverse that trend. After all, these migrants are supposed to be enumerated in the census, and count in apportionment, even if they can’t vote. Well see whether Texas manages to ship a Congressional seat or two away to NYC on these buses.
Oh absolutely. No American will work as cheap or be as abusable as a h1b1. I would post the pewresearch study, says that for every 10% increase in immigrants, wages go down 2%, but google is not being helpful.
So the government should step in to block immigration, but not the abuse of workers?
Gonna block you now. I can tell you have nothing ‘beneficial’ to add to this conversation.
Sorry you’re so racist and unskilled that you need to blame immigrants for your problems. Maybe you should become more competitive in this capitalist system your kind are so fond of.
There was a study. I dont think it was pew. Here’s a good response to why this papers results doesnt match up with most other literature and why, while the model was good, he data selected seems biased: www.cato.org/…/does-immigration-reduce-wages#test…
They commit crimes at a lower rate and improve the economy. Also, don’t we have a labor shortage everyone keeps going on about? And if they’re legal, they don’t get abused. Which is why we should make an easier path to getting them work papers.
So I mean. The whole labor thing boosting the economy is a big deal.
I guess the drunk driver has done a lot of driving in a country where they drive on the other side of the road, which would explain why they got confused when drunk.
I agree with most of what you’re saying aside from the part about making all drugs illegal.
The drug war is more about political violence than it is about keeping America safe, for one. A Nixon aide is on record describing how the drug war was about disinfranchising people who may stop his reelection.
For, two. Bodily autonomy is a right. Remember, the bill of rights is not meant to be all inclusive. And it’s not our job to prove our rights but the governments job to justify its power.
In this case, the government has utterly failed to justify this power. We’ve criminalized medicine that can cure addiction and consumerism. And put people in prison, destroying families. Both hippies just trying to grow some shrooms to share with friends, and suffering addicts who need medical help.
And for three, prohibition doesn’t work. We’ve seen this proved again and again in multiple countries and now over a full century.
It’s time to end this civil war that destroys families, and robs people of their political power. A war started so the second most corrupt president in history could angle for a second term.
I think they should all be legal, but I also think laws should be consistent. If we’re going to make drugs illegal, include alcohol, cigarettes and caffeine or legalize the rest.
Depends on the drug. Stuff like Marijuana or those Psychedelics, sure. Cocaine and Heroin on the other hand… aren’t really comparable to stuff you can “”safely”” take for decades.
Prison is a different issue. I think they should seize the drugs and direct them to a rehabilitation center (or force them if it’s repeat offenders). Prison is for dealers.
But what constitutes a dealer? Because we throw people in prison now who are intending to sell a single vial of meth for $20 (or whatever Meth costs). They might be addicts who are so desperate for money that they’re selling their own supply. Don’t those people also need help? This is the problem with the drug war- it’s too vague. And there’s no real way to not make it vague.
Even if it was someone desperate for money, they still tried to sell a very dangerous drug to another human. That’s not ok, in my opinion.
That’s where I draw the line: if you’re only harming yourself you need help. If you’re trying to fuel others’ addiction, it’s jail. At most if it’s clear that the person has a huge drug issue you could force the rehabilitation center in that case as well (but again, the first time. If you still sell meth after that you’re asking for it).
Psilocybin mushrooms have been used medicinally on this continent to treat mental health since before colonialism by white people.
And the LD 50 on it would require you to eat about fifty pounds of mushrooms before you might die (of course, your stomach would burst before this happened).
Do people freak out when psilocybin is taken unskillfully? Absolutely. Psilocybin is a powerful tool. And like a surgeon’s scalpel, it can hurt when used poorly. And heal when used skillfully.
So no, it’s not good because it’s natural. It’s good because it’s good. And when applied mindfully, it has the potential help heal a lot of people.
While I love the praise Mexico is getting things seems different when you live in the country.
She hid her friend who was the director of Mexico city’s metro when it collapsed because lack of maintenance and killed several people.
Her political party crippled the main out of the country scholarship organization (Conacyt) while her daughter got one for a PhD in philosophy… when those should be for STEM type of scholarships.
She got there because the president put her there, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador.
That some (most) Mexicans are afraid he’ll (Lopez Obrador) pull a Nicholas Maduro type of government since more than once he got involved with Maduro type of political characters for official events.
Lopez Obrador complained that past administrations used Pegasus to spy on him while it’s proven that he is doing it to news reporters.
Speaking of news reporters, we got the sadly top record of killing them, people that reported against his administration.
It is well known that he is letting drug cartels work to be at “peace” with them because he complained that Calderon’s administration had a war against them. The issue is that most of the cartel people are uneducated bullies that do whatever they want and one can’t defend yourself because we are afraid.
Lopez Obrador has given lots of power/money to the army and most of us are afraid in case he’s planning to pull a Venezuela here. Army in Mexico isn’t like the US one, think about US cops on steroids. He closed a mayor airport project only because it was started by the last administration, he claimed there was corruption but never showed proof of it, and used an old small military airport instead. That ended up costing way more than the original airport in fines as payment to those “corrupt” people.
While Mexico has tons of oil we all know it isn’t the future and he heavily invested in a refinery at the state where he is from. So much that is screwing other areas.
He has granted government concessions directly to his people. By law there should be a contest.
He has giving us the speech that there’s not enough money that we need to tight the belt while he spends lots of money in other things like Tren Maya or that refinery.
Every freaking day he has a TV show (4 hours or more) where he claims he’s reporting what he’s doing but most of the time he’s just praising his political party and dissing others, he has reporters there asking questions but most of the time they are kissing his feet (Google Lord Molecula, I’ll admit he’s a character because of what he wears but he’s mayor kiss ass). Sometimes he gets a real reporter asking uncomfortable questions but he just disses them “because they are paid by the opposition”.
You can Google the news but most are in Spanish.
Don’t get me wrong, it sounds like I’m against him while I’m supporting the other side, they are all the same, left or right, they just want to fill their pockets while screwing the country.
I’m tired of him being almost a celebrity and some people kissing his feet.
While there’s an internal election that picked Sheinbaum, let me remind you that she was his favorite and his followers treat him like a celebrity. Mexico has a history of presidents designing their sucesor.
Don’t get me wrong lots of people love him, I bet I’ll get reply from a someone defending him.
Again, to me all sides are the same. I’m not left or right, in fact I don’t like politics because I feel it’s just a soap opera for grown ups. Sorry for the wall of text, just venting.
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