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Mastengwe , in Right Wing Activists are attempting to strip democratic voters of their right to vote in critical battlegroud states ahead of 2024 election (NYT free article)

Remember this when you see the misinformation campaigns here trying to rationalize both sides being just as bad as the other as a reason for everyone to not vote for Biden this November.

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

Can you elaborate a bit? That statement is too broad. Are you saying the goal of every post critical of Biden’s policies is to convince people not to vote for him in November?

How long have they been going on? Did they start before the last election? Are they brand new for this one? Are the disinformation campaigns from Russia? The RNC?

I often post things critical of Biden and the DNC in general. Before i hated Biden i hated Hillary. I have been posting about politics since 2011 on Reddit, i even called folks and donated to

bernie Sanders. Is this a lie? Did i make up this story? Am I part of this russian/RNC campaign?

Vote for Biden. (Did i say this ironically?)

Mastengwe ,

No. I’m talking about the right-wing propaganda campaign that is spreading the suggestion that no one vote this year.

Being critical of politicians is essential in a democracy. Not voting and suggesting others don’t- and expecting things to change…

is, by definition- willful ignorance.

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

I have not seen this campaign. Are there any particular things i should look out for? Like, are they saying explicitly ‘don’t vote and send a message to the DNC’? I’ve only personally seen peeps saying they’ll not vote for him but that’s not the same

Mastengwe ,

Pretty much that’s exactly what they’re saying. Keep an eye out. They’re around. And they’re obnoxious.

TokenBoomer ,

Super Tuesday is tomorrow. And I have decided to not vote for Biden. Does this make me a part of a right-wing campaign?

Mastengwe ,

If you’re suggesting people not vote in November?

Yes.

TokenBoomer ,

I’ve always advocated for people to vote, or not vote, their conscience as individuals.

Mastengwe ,

Then I’m not talking about you.

TokenBoomer ,

Calling everyone who doesn’t have the same views as you a right-wing conspiracist is what got us into this dilemma.

Mastengwe ,

Nope. It’s what got YOU into this dilemma. I have no dilemma. If you’re advocating that people don’t vote come November- you’re spreading right-wing propaganda.

Wittingly or not.

TokenBoomer , (edited )

If you’re advocating that people don’t vote come November

So it’s okay if they vote for Trump? I’ve never called anyone a right-wing conspiracist.

Edit: Serious question- Should I vote for Nikki Haley in the Republican primary to stop Trump?

Mastengwe ,

I’m done wasting my time here. I’ve said what needed be said, and I don’t entertain trolls with bad-faith questions.

Cethin ,

It’s everywhere lately. It’s mostly something along the lines of both Biden and Trump being bad choices, so just don’t make a choice to “send a message”. Especially with the Israel/Palestine stuff, a large group has been convinced that Biden providing aid to the massacre of Palestinians means them voting for him is immoral. I agree it fucking sucks, but not voting is the immoral option. Remember how Trump tried to move things even further to Israel’s favor.

Some of it is a disinformation campaign to get people to not vote, but I think a large portion of what you see is people who have been convinced of it themselves and spread it organically. It’s impossible to tell the difference though, and it doesn’t really matter that they are different. They are effectively the same, but you can’t tell who actually believes it and who just sees it as useful.

Mastengwe ,

Yeah. It’s like we’re re-living The_Donald all over again.

wakumul ,

don’t make a choice to “send a message”.

no one has said this.

Cethin ,

I have seen it plenty of times. How can you say no one has said it. In this thread, yeah I don’t think so. It’s all over the place though.

TokenBoomer ,

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  • Mastengwe ,

    Nope. Just most of what you say. It even shows in the modlogs in case anyone doesn’t believe me.

    TokenBoomer ,

    That was not low-effort. I had to make that meme.

    You can’t bully someone into voting the way you want, that’s not democratic and bordering on authoritarianism. It also hardens their resolve and makes them more likely to vote against your position.

    Mastengwe ,

    No one is bullying. And the fact that you’re accusing people of it shows your true colors.

    You’re not a victim because people say you should vote. So stop with that nonsense. It dilutes the issue and makes you look foolish.

    We are in a situation where democracy is at stake. Period. This is not up for debate. So you need to pick a lane. Either you’re defending people for spreading no-vote propaganda, or you’re going to help keep democracy from falling to a “dictator for a day.”

    Those are your choices here. It’s not bullying- it’s the truth.

    Maggoty ,

    Uhhh, no. It just shows the image link.

    Maggoty , (edited )

    I will vote for him the second he stops supplying arms to a genocidal regime.

    Mastengwe ,

    Oh look! Here’s one now!

    Maggoty ,

    Oh look here’s someone who can’t handle the slightest criticism of his God-President!

    Mastengwe ,

    It’s not your criticism. It’s the temper tantrum you’re throwing over a single issue that you’re using to spread bad-faith rhetoric to sway people not to vote.

    I’m not going to apologize for stepping in the way of propaganda.

    Maggoty ,

    This just in, standing against genocide is “bad faith rhetoric!” More at 8!

    Mastengwe ,

    I never once said standing against genocide is bad. You’re manufacturing an argument.

    What I said was- using this as a reason to beat people over the head with suggestions to not vote in November is bad.

    Learn the difference.

    Maggoty ,

    No you called my position bad faith rhetoric and doubled down on it being merely propaganda. I’m not manufacturing anything. I didn’t commit any war crimes. I didn’t ask Biden to be complicit in any war crimes. I have observed that he is complicit and have decided to withhold my vote on ethical reasons.

    You so desperately want me to be a GOP shill you cannot see that I’m a progressive who will not vote for enabling genocide. It’s really that simple. And apparently I’m not alone.

    sinedpick ,

    So who are you going to vote for, and what do you hope to achieve with that?

    Maggoty ,

    I’m not going to vote for any presidential candidate if he continues down this road.

    starman2112 , in New York man sentenced to 25 years to life for fatally shooting woman who pulled into wrong driveway
    @starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Judge Adam Michelini slammed Monahan in court, saying

    NO HE DIDN’T. He SLAMMED Monahan by giving a calm milquetoast “what you did is awful and you should feel ashamed” statement? I wanna see a judge suplex a motherfucker before I see the word SLAM used in this context again

    Olhonestjim ,

    Reporter SLAMMED for overuse of the word SLAM in clickbait titles.

    Probably not even written by a human though, really.

    achance4cheese ,

    I don’t know what it is but I love it when the word slam is casually thrown into headlines and articles. Some weird fetish I guess. I don’t like clickbait but the use of that word is hilarious to me, especially when describing casual arguments like this instance.

    ULTIMATE_FUCKTRUMPET ,
    zip ,

    What the fuck?

    AbidanYre ,

    He’s now governor of that state. Fuck Montana

    zip ,

    Holy shit. Why are people the way that they are!?

    InEnduringGrowStrong ,
    @InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Why do judges have hammers if not to SLAM.

    elephantium ,
    @elephantium@lemmy.world avatar

    From the hammer to the slammer. Fear the judge.

    ZeroCool OP , (edited ) in Wendy's says it has no plans to raise prices during the busiest times at its restaurants

    That’s a pretty fast turn around on walking it back. I guess the backlash was intense. Too little too late though, I’m done with Wendy’s. I don’t care how they spin it now, we all know this wasn’t ever going to benefit customers or reduce strain on staff, it was just a scheme to price gouge during lunch/dinner rush. The fact that they even considered doing this is enough reason to never give them my business again.

    Kirk Tanner’s only been CEO for 3 weeks and immediately started in with this fuckery. It’ll be interesting to see how many more Mooches he lasts.

    octopus_ink , (edited )

    This was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. I considered them an upper tier fast food place for decades. Past few years or so they have shit on all that.

    They’ve been nearly dead to me for awhile, but they are fully dead to me now.

    Edited to add: Arby’s is expensive as hell, but at least their food is consistently good - at least has been every time I’ve had it. But even arby’s is really close to the “I could get that from a bar cheaper and better” line for the stuff I really enjoy from them (like their surprisingly good gyro). At least there you can fall back on the good old roast beef sandwich and it’s not too too bad price-wise.

    STOMPYI ,

    When a company says its investing millions to offer value they really mean to extract value, hoping us dum dums beleive them.

    Anon819450514 ,

    Yeah, adjusting prices each hour or each days is kind of stupid. But when you’re looking at price adjusting in weeks or months to follow the seasons…it makes more sense but stupid nonetheless.

    LostWon ,

    Good call. As with every other industry where bullshit rent-seeking has taken hold, the attempted fee tack-on and walkback are an experiment in how far they can go before appeasing customers. It’s about testing waters before wearing people down. Rest assured, the one CEO’s peers have taken note of this noble effort. Eventually, as they see it, one of them will succeed in making it stick, paving the way for them all to do the same. The first CEO to make it stick will get additional bonuses, praise, and a higher level of notoriety within their rarefied circles.

    Witchfire , (edited ) in Man in Air Force uniform set himself on fire in front of Israeli embassy
    @Witchfire@lemmy.world avatar

    Law enforcement also drew a gun on the burning man during the incident

    When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail

    Harbinger01173430 ,

    Sole things are bound to look like chisels instead. /S

    bradorsomething ,

    What was really needed was a good guy on fire.

    Witchfire ,
    @Witchfire@lemmy.world avatar

    We had good guy on fire

    Agent641 ,

    Then we should try bad guy on fire!

    SeekPie ,

    You know what they say, fight fire with fire!

    Thief_of_Crows ,

    If you outlaw firearms, only outlaws will have their arms on on fire

    Kolanaki ,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    “Maybe if I shoot around him, the air from the passing bullets will blow the fire out! And if I miss and hit him, surely the blood will douse the flames! I’ll be a hero!”

    whoelectroplateuntil ,

    I appreciated that the police made it a point to mention they searched the entire area for bombs, like they thought it was most likely the protest was somehow intended as a distraction. Like they actually think it makes sense in their head that some crisis actor would actually light themselves on fire for like $50 so the real terrorists could… you know what, it’s too crazy and stupid to even finish typing out. Police departments are just jobs programs for violent idiots.

    Altofaltception , in Darryl George: Texas judge rules school district can restrict the length of male students’ natural hair

    It’s a district called Barbers Hill, what did you expect? /S

    In all seriousness though, can we have a Sikh organization sue the bejeezus out of them, as long hair is an article of their faith, and the US Constitution has a thing or two to say about freedom of religion.

    Brokkr ,

    Sikhs aren’t Christians so they don’t get the same rights as Christians do according to the Supreme Court.

    metaStatic ,

    kind of a Christian thing too though

    Kyrgizion ,

    I’ve never seen an image of Jesus -both the white and middle eastern versions- with short hair. He also had a thing or two to say about hypocrites…

    uis ,

    Lol. Says a lot about those pseudo-conservatives.

    KingOfSleep ,

    Most Christians don’t give a damn about Christian rules.

    Buelldozer ,
    @Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

    A federal judge ALREADY ruled on this. It’s illegal, period.

    vanontom ,
    @vanontom@lemmy.world avatar

    If all else fails, they’ll claim it’s… unconstitutional? (Without ever reading the constitution, of course. Much like their bible.) All laws that upset their feelings, or aren’t a clear win for their team, just need to be “reinterpreted” until they feel better, or their team wins.

    PuddingFeeling907 , in The IRS will pursue business private jet usage in a new round of audits on high-wealth taxpayers

    Gotta appreciate Biden going hard on collecting taxes and strengthening unions.

    flatpandisk ,

    For clarification, is this serious or sarcasm?

    Crashumbc ,

    Comparatively he is.

    Is he really? No

    Welcome to late stage capitalism

    flatpandisk ,

    Ha, that is what I was thinking too.

    mlg ,
    @mlg@lemmy.world avatar

    kills railroad union strike

    announces totally legit railway expansion plan that totally won’t give free money to some railway CEOs to do nothing

    Seems legit

    EdibleFriend , in Supreme Court rejects appeal from 3 GOP House members over $500 mask fines
    @EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

    THESE MOTHER FUCKERS TOOK A $500 FINE TO SUPREME COURT?!

    foggy ,

    Can we sue them for wasting resources or something?

    EdibleFriend ,
    @EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

    Is that code for starting a fire?

    NOT_RICK ,
    @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

    You can sue anyone for anything, you just need to be in congress to have your frivolous case dismissed by the SC instead of a low level judge.

    pete_the_cat ,

    And it took nearly 3 years for a ruling…

    ramble81 ,

    Which begs the question, can you appeal anything to the Supreme Court? And either way, how did it get that far that an appellate court didn’t stay the lower courts ruling? How does that work?

    Patches ,

    You can appeal any judgement. It is up to the higher courts to decide to hear your case. Which they often do not.

    ramble81 ,

    So at a minimum an appellate and district court actually bothered to hear this case?

    hansl ,

    And disagreed on the judgment

    hansl ,

    You could if the appeal and the court disagree, at every level of the justice system.

    HerbalGamer , in Murder victim Kelly Wilkinson repeatedly visited police in fear. They said she was ‘cop shopping’
    @HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

    “She reported breaches to the police five times in the week before she was murdered and all but one officer told her to basically go away and don’t come back and just come into the station once a week because you’re coming in too often to report breaches,” criminologist Kerry Carrington told the inquest.

    “Stop being a victim of crime! It’s annoying!”

    TheFonz , in Science fiction authors were excluded from awards for fear of offending China

    Way to lose all credibility in one event

    Gradually_Adjusting ,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    Hocus pocus, Hugo’s a joke to us

    Ensign_Crab ,

    I mean, that depends.

    There was a campaign from 2013 to 2017 by rightwingers to game the Hugos by buying non-attending memberships to worldcon and nominating works they deemed to be sufficiently non-woke. Thing is, there’s one nominee they couldn’t game: “none of these.”

    So most of the time where the only nominees were gamed, membership voted that there was to be no award in that category that year. The exceptions were authors that likely would have been nominated anyway due to name recognition, like Neil Gaiman.

    The award can maintain its integrity despite the committee’s lack thereof if Worldcon members vote for no award to be given in the categories leadership fucked with.

    khannie ,
    @khannie@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s a great example and entirely valid.

    On the flip side though I can’t imagine many countries where awards would be vetted simply because it might upset the host. It’s a terrible idea IMO and does take away from whoever actually won this year. They’ll be left to question whether they won fairly because a competitor was excluded for China’s benefit.

    I think this specific example does damage the integrity of the awards.

    PhlubbaDubba , in California's war on plastic bag use seems to have backfired. Lawmakers are trying again

    That is such an idiotic loophole there is no way in hell it wasn’t bought by lobbyists

    TWeaK ,

    The whole scheme is a farce designed to take what was once complimentary and turn it into a highly profitable side business. It’s the same the world over.

    muntedcrocodile ,
    @muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world avatar

    I refuse to buy into the scam u can now find me balancing my groceries intop of eavhother as i try navugate from my car to my kitchen. Yes i know i could use a reusable bag but i always forget.

    prex ,

    You & me both. Yes I have a few in the car. No I’m not going back to get it. I’ll probably make it without dropping something.

    Its just a small, unnecessary moment of tension in my day. And its mine.

    ArtieShaw ,
    @ArtieShaw@kbin.social avatar

    What made the difference for me was buying a really nice reusable bag. There's a brand called Flip and Tumble. They'll hold an absurd amount of stuff (something like 35lbs, if I remember correctly) and fold down into something smaller than a tennis ball. I keep two in the bottom of my purse and never need a bag. They are expensive (about $18 US), but I've had mine for almost 15 years.

    Tregetour ,
    @Tregetour@lemdro.id avatar

    The fillip to retailers is incidental I suspect. The aim of plastic manufacturers when they engage in the lawmaking process is probably safeguarding their ability to produce plastic at an uninterrupted level. They’re happy to reduce total units provided the units are heavier. The environmental impact doesn’t matter: government and industry will continue forcing the recycling meme so it looks as though the conservation angle is covered. Once their part of the problem is solved, the problem no longer exists :^)

    lps2 ,

    You described most CA laws - don’t get me started on CARB and how is just pushing us toward bigger, less efficient cars while killing innovation by smaller engineering shops

    ColeSloth ,

    I’ma have to get you started. Explain yourself.

    lps2 , (edited )

    It has virtually nothing to do with emissions (as if it did, they would just hook up a sniffer to test and be fine)- instead there are blanket bans on any modification not from Edelbrock or a s couple others unless those companies pay exorbitant fees to be “CARB-approved” which has snuffed out innovation from smaller machine shops. And the loopholes are what has driven cars to be bigger and not more fuel efficient

    userflairoptional ,
    @userflairoptional@lemmynsfw.com avatar

    I’ma second. This is officiallly unofficial permission to begin your dissertation on unforeseen consequences. I’m here for this.

    PhlubbaDubba ,

    As the asker of the question and someone who is vaguely interested in maybe one day getting into hot rod building to have an electric that doesn’t have those blasted touch screens, by all means, get started on it.

    TK420 ,

    Totally was. In NJ, those poor saps were sold by the grocer lobbyists that the paper and plastic bag ban was good for reducing the amount of plastic bags. NJ is now seeing that there was no reduction in waste, but rather than cost being passed into the consumer. I lol’d so hard because “I told you so”

    News 12 reported it on TV, so no, I have no link, but you can go find one.

    Same shit, different set of idiots.

    gmtom , in McDonald's is promising 'attention to affordability' after the price of Big Mac meals hits $18

    Thank god we didnt raise minimum wage, otheriwse the price of big macs would have sky rocketed!!!

    phoneymouse ,

    I think the idea that minimum wage hikes contributed to this is silly given that they’ve mostly eliminated cashier positions. Everything is a kiosk now. Also, McDonald’s workers in Europe make a decent wage, have sick and vacation time, and other decent benefits and the prices there are lower than in the US.

    GlendatheGayWitch ,

    Chipotle posted a few years back that raising the minimum wage to $15 (more than double current minimum wage) would increase the price of a burrito by about 30 cents.

    myplacedk ,

    I live in Denmark, Europe. One Bic Mac meal is 9.39 USD incl taxes.

    The minimum salary in McDonals is around 3500 USD per month for a standard 37 hr/week, including pension.

    This is every month, not affected by holidays, sick leave, paid vacation… It comes with 5 or 6 weeks of paid vacation per year, and virtually unlimited sick leave.

    Yeah, I also don’t understand why McDonald’s says they can’t raise salaries or improve working conditions, because it will make the price go up. So why is it expensive now?

    (Yes, taxes are high here. But we also have a lot of stuff that is tax paid, that evens it out somewhat.)

    lolcatnip ,

    Yeah, I also don’t understand why McDonald’s says they can’t raise salaries or improve working conditions, because it will make the price go up.

    They say that because Americans are dumb enough to believe it and not get mad at McDonald’s for price gouging. A LOT of companies over here have been doing the same thing lately.

    skeezix ,

    This is the answer.

    GrammatonCleric , in Carl Weathers dies at 76
    @GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world avatar
    USSEthernet , in Sotomayor says she feels ‘frustration’ daily as conservative justices move US to right

    NO position should ever be for life. It’s ridiculous that we have 70/80/90 year olds running things forever until they die. They should retire and let the next generation take the reins. Age and term limits. Courts should not be able to be packed like this. Nothing should.

    Poach ,

    They should also probably be held to some ethical standards, but that’s too much for the nation’s most powerful court/justices. Nevermind the US code of conduct says justices are to avoid even the appearance of impropriety.

    But who needs a functional government or justice system? It’s just keeping big business from making even more money, and destroying the planet faster.

    USSEthernet ,

    I wonder why we don’t elect judges like we do at the local level. What were the founding fathers thought process on allowing the president to appoint them?

    raynethackery ,

    That is political as well.

    samus12345 ,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    The thought was that if they had to campaign and run for elections they’d be too swayed by political pressure to be impartial. As we’ve seen, having the Executive branch do it doesn’t prevent this if politics becomes hyper-partisan. This is part of why Washington was opposed to political parties even existing. I think history has proven him right.

    sirboozebum ,

    Australian High Court justices have an age limit.

    Yokozuna , (edited )

    Also, the fact that the reasoning behind this is because they don’t want the justices to be pressured by partisian issues is ironic considering…

    USSEthernet ,

    I don’t see how anyone ever thought that a president appointing them would be bipartisan. Ironic indeed.

    Zink ,

    “Ok, we want to find the best legal minds in the country to serve on the Supreme Court in a fair manner without political bias. How do we select them?”

    “Let’s put the selection in the hands of a politician!” (With confirmations also done by politicians)

    “Brilliant!”

    Though I guess that any other system put in place could be corrupted in some other way.

    crusa187 ,

    I’ve long held that if a “life sentence” in prison is 20 years, then 20 years should be the lifetime term of a SC justice.

    Limits on age and terms, as well as tests for competency and ethics, would also be great additions. It’s kind of amazing this isn’t already a thing.

    callouscomic , in Charles Littlejohn: Man who stole and leaked Trump tax records sentenced to 5 years in prison

    Leak a billionaires tax records: 5 years.

    Literally rape while a billionaire: 0 years.

    aidan ,

    It’s hard to prosecute rape 30 years later, fairly.

    Zoboomafoo ,

    They were able to prove it well enough for E. Jean Carroll’s civil case to consider the assault a fact

    aidan ,

    No, it was considered more likely than not. A civil trial has a completely different standard from a criminal one.

    runner_g ,

    Rape a girl behind a dumpster, with rich parents: think about his swimming career! 6 months, 4 with good behavior.

    jeremyparker ,

    Raping multiple children while supposedly being the spiritual leader of a community: sideways job transfer.

    Railing5132 ,

    Wasn’t that the rapist Brock Turner?

    runner_g ,

    Rapist Brock Allen Turner, who is going by Allen Turner now.

    jeremyparker ,

    Becoming president and attempting to overthrow the government: ???

    Let’s find out!

    KairuByte ,
    @KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Yeah, statute of limitations on rape shouldn’t exist. It’s kinda bonkers it hasn’t been removed yet.

    TurtleJoe , in SpaceX executives worried Elon Musk was on drugs during 'cringeworthy' all-hands meeting, WSJ reports
    @TurtleJoe@lemmy.world avatar

    We can excuse the racism, the transphobia, and the antisemitism, but we draw the line at drugs!

    dangblingus ,

    Don’t you see? All of those other things were BECAUSE of the drugs! It’s exactly like what happened to Roseanne and her Ambiens!

    xenoclast ,

    He’s always been a racist, homophobic, sociopathic capitalist. Aligning with fascists is the trajectory of most like him. The drugs just make it more obvious…

    (Yes is read the /s but I still felt an opportunity to get a jab in because fuck this guy)

    EmergMemeHologram ,

    That can lose them their security clearance and government contracts, so kind of a big deal.

    The racism and transphobia and everything else can be ignored because it doesn’t affect their bottom line in the society we live in.

    SpaceCowboy ,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Anyone else would be fired for coming into work while high.

    zbyte64 ,
    @zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Oh, they’re probably okay with certain drugs, but slurring speech indicates he’s taking the wrong kind.

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