I might not be understanding something, but if she's being placed in solitary, I'm not really sure what difference it makes what type of facility she's put into. My understanding is that you don't get to interact with anybody in solitary, regardless of gender. I can't imagine there's too many gender-specific accommodations that are made in these situations.
Ahh, gotcha. I see now, I originally thought she was being put straight into solitary from the start. That definitely changes things then.
This is one of those tough stories that really challenges your morals. Part of me wants to take her side, because no woman should be forced into a men's prison, trans or not. But then there's another part of me which feels a bit indifferent to the suffering of a murderer. Part of me thinks "just put her in solitary back in the women's prison", but then another part of me thinks "actually we shouldn't have solitary confinement in any prisons in the first place". It's just an awful situation from every angle.
She was raping another prisoner. That’s why she being moved. There is no consensual sex in prison.
Solitary confinement is needed in some situations. This isn’t one of them. It is overused but should never be used as a punishment. It should be used to keep people safe.
It’s a blurb of an article and I don’t know the backstory to know what the right answer is.
To me it doesn’t matter if she murdered someone or not. The prison system is supposed to be dispassionate about the crime.
The sex was not officially allowed, but there absolutely could be consensual sex in prison. The reason they don’t allow it is because in many (but not all) cases it is coerced.
Non-consensual sex is rape. You can’t consent to sex as an inmate. That said, we don’t know if that’s the reason or not. We will have to wait till further information comes out
Being an inmate doesn’t mean you lose your ability to consent. They could have very well been in a relationship. Just because it was against the prison rules does not mean it was non consensual.
You are the only one calling it rape - there is nothing else implying it was non consensual.
Between guards and inmates. Inmates are on a level playing field and can have consensual sex. Unless of course you’re talking about legal technicalities in which case, the suffering is the point.
And they couldn’t move her to another women’s facility? or another unit in the same facility? They had to go straight to men’s genpop? I also don’t buy that sex among peers causes too many issues. Unless it’s criminal, in which case you’d deal with it on that front. Because if that was true we’d have to make sex among peers a crime in normal society too.
I have no clue why they moved her to a male facility. It’s not in the article. Until more comes out on the case, it’s a mystery.
I suspect this is a maximum security and I have no clue how many they have for women in Washington.
In Nevada where my girlfriend worked in the prison system, they only have one for women. They’d move them to another section of the prison if possible or send them out of state.
Overall though they led it slide as long as there were no issues.
No it does not appear that you have it right. The rule isn’t ridiculous at all and we don’t know why the person was transferred. She assumes that is the reason and it’s a fair assumption. Prison isn’t summer camp. It’s there to keep the communities safe by removing bad elements.
In most prisons even masturbation is against the rules.
Personally I think that is a bridge to far and they should have a masturbation room.
If you think prisoners should be able to inmate sex and orgies. Write you state leaders as they can change the laws.
The problem is many people don’t care about the incarcerated. I want prisons to keep dangerous people away from society and rehabilitate those who are returning to society. I’m not a fan of prison is punishment since that doesn’t really fix anything
An anonymous Washington DOC employee told National Review that there is “technically” no consensual sex among incarcerated individuals, but that “Washington has been mitigating the sanctions on offenders involved” if both parties claim the intercourse is consensual, resulting in “less trouble” for the offenders.
Rape is non-consenual sex. DOC employee said there is no consensual rape among inmates.
If the government declared two men could not consent to having sex with each other would you call gay men rapists? Or would you say that’s not how those words work?
We live in a society where the law is decided as much by precedent as by policy. Whatever punishment we as a society can be inflicted upon the worst scum of society, will be inflicted upon the innocent. Upon the wrongly convicted, those whose crimes harmed nobody, and those who were right to do what they did. If we don’t fight injustices against the deserving, that will be used to justify injustice against the undeserving.
They refused to respect her legal rights in three different ways. We have to believe this is an injustice when it is committed against anyone. There’s no ambiguity here.
Motive matters. She killed her abusive parents. It’s highly likely she was a victim of society failing her. That doesn’t excuse what she did, it just means she’s not the same as someone who killed for money or fun.
Maybe actually read the article? This is right at the top:
When Kim realized she was being removed, she asked to speak with her lawyer and see paperwork authorizing the transfer, which was denied. Kim then refused to walk as commanded, at which point she was allegedly thrown to the ground by guards, who tied her ankles and wrists together and put her in the back of an SUV, she said. At Monroe Correctional Complex, Kim was put into solitary confinement, for allegedly “refusing transfer.”
She wouldn’t be in solitary confinement if they hadn’t moved her.
I’m not really sure what difference it makes what type of facility she’s put into. My understanding is that you don’t get to interact with anybody in solitary, regardless of gender.
You also said
I might not be understanding something
But no mention of timeline. 🤔
Though even if you had mentioned the timeline, the quote I pasted from the top of the article is pretty clear about that.
But no, you were clearly “misunderstanding” why it matters if she’s in male-prison solitary or female-prison solitary, while deliberately ignoring the key fact that she shouldn’t be in solitary in the first place. Or you simply just didn’t read the article.
Either way, putting your hand up to say “my bad” isn’t hard to do, and it makes you look a lot less like you’re here in bad faith than doubling down like you are now does.
Bruh, I already said I misunderstood, and explained exactly what and how I misunderstood it. The mistake has already been corrected be somebody else before you. If that isn't enough for you, then kindly fuck off because you already got more than you were owed, o mighty arbiter of comprehension.
Maybe the title of this post or the article needs to be updated if solitary confinement itself wasn’t the real issue, but rather that it was a transgender woman being transferred from a women’s prison to a men’s prison?
Or, you know, this person could have just read the fucking article (or even just skimmed the first quarter of it) before making a comment making it clear they didn’t, then getting their back up when they get called out?
I read the article. I missed two lines from it on my first go around. Maybe I was multitasking while I was reading it. Maybe I was on mobile and there were ads distracting my ADHD-riddled brain. Maybe I just forgot that part. Who knows, all that matters it that I misunderstood. That was it. A misunderstanding, which were literally the first fucking words in my comment in the first place you absolute clown.
I won't apologize for misunderstanding and asking for help, and fuck you for insinuating that I should, and for trying to gaslight me into thinking I've done anything wrong by asking for a fucking explanation. You're so eager to find your "gotcha" moment that you're willing to cannibalize your own team to get it.
So she was transferred to a men’s facility from a women’s, denied any opportunity to appeal, and thrown in solitary for not going willingly. I wonder, are they going to keep her in solitary for the rest of her imprisonment, or are they going to release her and put a woman in with the men at the prison? Either seems like a completely fucked up option.
It’s Definitely not just a US thing, although the scale of incarceration in the US is immense. it’s just a handful of European countries that actually treat prisoners ok.
Thermometer from my deployment to Iraq in 2008. Pretty sure that day we were over 130F. I have to do some more digging but I believe I have a photo of one over 140F.
Anything metal becomes burn your skin hot in just a few minutes. Exposed skin is very uncomfortable almost immediately.
I don’t doubt what you are saying, McCarran isn’t in downtown though. The record setting measurement was made at McCarren so the actual records for that year from the airport are a closer comparison than whatever was happening downtown.
Yeah except her approval ratings are consistently even worse than Bidens. Either person on the ticket is likely to get smoked by Trump at this point, unless there is some other major inflection point between now and the election.
I don’t like her much, but I’d take her in a heartbeat over Biden. It is a shame Biden didn’t plan to step down after his first term so we could have a proper primary. Would love to see Pete Buttigieg over Kamala.
So do Biden’s approval numbers. That wasn’t the statement being countered, it was that Harris was consistently less popular than Biden. She has better approval numbers than Biden and did even before the debate. She’s not popular, but she’s more popular than Biden, despite older wisdom that she was not. And Trump is also well underwater on approval.
That’s a pretty apt description, too. Hitler laid down his entire plan on getting rid of Jews and invading the Soviet Union long before he was elected to any office. Tons of Serious People then lined up to say “nah, he was just joking, it’ll be fine”.
They may be starting to understand that the only way to unfuck the country is to get the Presidency, House and Senate all at once, nuke the Fillibuster, and do all the things. So they’ll not only need Harris to win, but help carry the last few seats needed for both houses.
All these Democrats need to get completely 100% behind President Biden so we can throw this bunch of turkeys on their asses. Being namby pamby about it is just helping Trump.
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