The whiner line was amazing, and CNN absolutely gave that to Biden by cutting to commercial break right afterwards. This, of course, after CNN asked Trump to answer the same damn question three times in a row.
Trump once again confirmed support for Isreal accelerating the genocide - if you think there’s no difference between their policy on Palestine, you’re arguing in bad faith.
The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is an especially vulnerable spot for Biden. With only 26% of U.S. adults approving of his handling of the issue, it’s well below his overall approval rating (39%). In the latest AP-NORC poll, nearly 6 in 10 Democrats disapprove of his approach to the conflict
trump is worse than Biden, and only 26% agree with Biden…
You don’t think it’s worth talking about when a foreign country buys off both parties in a two party system so that no matter what happens their interests (in this case a genocide) would be protected and funded?
You don’t see how this could be happening to a lesser extent in other areas like banking, healthcare, employment, and even social issues that religions care about?
Carl’s Jr and Hardee’s are also two different things, but two things don’t have to be absolutely identical to be compared to each other. If they were, we wouldn’t be comparing them because they would be the same.
I think that’s what you’re missing and why you’re accusing people of arguing in bad faith.
You just don’t understand the point they’re making, but you think you do.
Oh, I absolutely agree they’re both pretty awful, but one is significantly worse. I fully support putting pressure on both candidates to be better, but the American political system means one of these people will be the next president and if you care about Palestinians its important to make sure that’s Biden.
Oh, I absolutely agree they’re both pretty awful, but one is significantly worse.
We’re talking about genocide tho…
We’re asking people to support “some” genocide, and that “some” is actually quite a fucking lot of genocide.
And we’re not just asking Americans to overlook that, we’re asking young Dem voters to overlook it. A demographic who historically doesn’t like that shit going back for pretty much the entire existence of the party.
It makes absolutely zero sense except if the party as an entity wants to be as conservative as possible so when the nation has such a serious risk as trump, instead of the easy win of a candidate dem.voters want, we get someone significantly more conservative than the party, 82 years old, and uncharismatic.
It’s like someone at the DNC bet on winning, but not to cover the spread. So they’re trying to win by the smallest majority possible.
Our system of government means one of these two assholes will be the next president. Do you want three helpings of genocide or two? It’s going to be one of those outcomes so do you have the courage to say less genocide is desirable?
Biden needs to convince 10s of millions of people. Politicians like Obama and Bill Clinton could do that, but they were charismatic in addition to being the lesser of two evils.
It just makes zero sense to be running Biden.
If all that matters is beating trump, why force a candidate that supports genocide? Why is it ok for Dems if trump is worse? Why not at least someone that people like and is a good speaker?
Like, you understand someone slightly less bad as trump is still pretty fucking bad?
Where do you draw the line if you’ll support “some” genocide?
If it was trump VS Mitch McConnell who would you vote for? Would you finally realize it’s the parties that need voters, not voters that need parties?
Here’s the bad news - the primary is over. Administratively, if we switched Democratic candidates now there would be immense voter confusion and democrats would end up splitting the vote between the two.
The only way out of this is if Biden literally dies before the election, and I think that’s highly unlikely.
In terms of supporting genocide, America is going to genocide and part of being a responsible voter is making the least awful choice.
If someone else wins the convention I’ll pop a bottle of champagne but I think it’s nearly impossible. If you can get Whitehouse on the ballot though… I’ll buy the next round.
From experience you better do it while you’re single instead of waiting until you’re with someone and having to deal with the stress it will cause them when it becomes official…
Holy fucked up choices… Why, why, why can we not, with our vast knowledge and speed of passing information in our fancy futuristic world, do some ranked choice, or any other voting style, that would actually give us a choice we might feel we have opted for?
My mind wasn’t changed on my choice I will have to make. But, wow, I feel like I might really be a responsible adult if this is what our chosen leaders look like in a live debate. I don’t like this feeling. It’s icky.
The claim is he didn't call white supremacists and neo nazis fine people, just, you know, regular racists who happened to be at a rally planned by the white supremacists and neo nazis. Which is totally better.
I don’t necessarily mean that it’s trying to make him look good, but that it would backfire and that It would not do any damage. For example, the movie the Wolf of Wall Street should really be a damming Story about the dangers of the stock market in criminal activity. But I think a great number of people envied DiCaprio’s character.
I think she does - the bill is about materials being sent home with kids from schools that include sodomy or grooming or the incredibly vague ‘lgbt agenda’
It’s designed so that instead of banning books individually, they can just sue for anything they don’t like.
The headline makes it sound ridiculous - and in a way it is, of course - but it’s potentially dangerous. I don’t know how much sway her organisation has, if it’s big or niche. Hopefully zero
I imagine if my life was destroyed cause I like putting it in a particular spot with my partners. I’ve done what this man did a lot of times with no penalty (other than a partner who was mad that I was too quick the first time I got to). Funny, there’s a huge portion of the porn industry that caters to my taste. wtf. This man has been wronged. Give him a pension. He’s fucking earned that and more for his suffering.
I’ve done what this man did a lot of times with no penalty
same here and i would be in his same position if don’t ask don’t tell hadn’t become a very publicized thing; instead i’m only scarred 6x over by the shit they’ve done to gay people that the lemmyverse likes to ignore for some reason
Biden looked terrible, and he sounded terrible.
Trump lied about 99% of the time.
Biden told us what he did for ALL Americans and there is more to come.
Trump admitted he cut taxes for the wealthy and destroyed environmental regulations.
As a voter, you are voting for the candidate and their administration.
The choice in 2024 is, A. Things get better for our Democracy, or B. We install a dictator and voting ends forever.
They are not both the same, and NOT voting, or 3rd party voting, helps the weaker candidate win.
I'm voting for the candidate that has been making life for ALL citizens better, that's the job of the President.
Things won’t get better under Biden though. Strongest argument neoliberals might be able to make is that fascism will arrive slightly slower under their guy.
But seeing how Biden is fumbling it’s very likely he’s going to lose this. He needs to step down. If it’s about the party or the administration then he needs to realize that. If he stays in he is responsible for a Trump win.
Things have gotten better under his first term so I don't see why it would not. At least for things the president could effect. As far as facism it has not improved in terms of rectifying citizens united but not getting better is a whole lot better than getting way worse.
And look at what? The genocide he’s funding? The illegal border policy he tried to pass that was identical to the one Trump tried to pass under his term? Or am I suppose to be looking at the past 40 years where neoliberals like Biden have failed to to confront the slow encroachment of fascism and instead chose to spend all their energy and resources undermining progressives in their own party? Or how voting the “lesser of two evils” for all that time has produced zero results?
You’re acting exasperated as if neoliberal democrats aren’t complicit in where we are right now. I think it’s you who needs to open your eyes and understand that neolibs aren’t helping or even buying us more time. The loss of our rights has continued full speed under the Biden admin, and he’s risking it all to satisfy his own ego and fanatical zionism.
No. Biden is responsible for his unelectability and when he refuses to step aside he will be responsible for his loss.
Oh look, the same clown in the same circus. Just come out and say you want Trump to win. All this blabbing you do on every single Biden thread trying to come across as “for the good of the party”. Totally disingenuous.
Biden (and his ego) is responsible for the inevitable loss in November, but they will surely blame leftists for not voting hard enough. It’s utterly deranged they expect a candidate such as this to pass muster, but here we are. Biden admin couldn’t even pass voting rights act, after Jan 6 and attempted coups with fake electors plot happened. The incompetency at governing is truly astounding, and this is why I’ll also blame Biden for the slide into fascism.
Biden at least tries to save some face, as evident from the recent cease fire push. Trump doesn’t give two shits about optics and would instantly give Israel whatever they want and publicly back then up. It won’t get much worse, because it’s already so bad it’s hard to get much worse, but it will get worse under Trump.
Israel could always round up Palestinians into camps for thier safety preventing them from Leaving. Then provide them jobs… and then kill whomever in gas chambers.
Electing trump will surely show us just how awful life here can be. Watch documentaries about the DPRK and you will see what dear leader wants to become. Freedom will be a memory.
we could stop trying to aid palestinians. we could give israel more than a token amount of military aid. If you don't think what we do is token compare ukraine to israel. its about 10x (when ukraine stuff is not blocked by a certain party). direct us troops could be involved even if its just killing iranian generals with missiles.
Are you seriously so stupid you can’t imagine ways it gets worse? A) The humanitarian aid we give Palestinians would stop. That is worse. B) The military aid we give Israel could get much higher. C) The tacit approval we give to Netanyahu to commit war crimes could become overt approval, giving him freedom to commit worse atrocities. D) The US could put troops on the ground, which might almost be better since our troops are both better trained AND not so intent on committing genocide compared to the IDF, but in the end is probably worse since Trump would just order eradication of everything.
MEANWHILE Biden has been working hard on a 3-step peace plan that includes giving up remaining hostages for ceasefire and then continued ceasefire with more conditions resulting in the end of the goddamn war.
Biden’s throat was sore on debate night from gobbling Bibi’s knob, he’s easily one of the most Zionist presidents in American history. Biden wouldn’t even address Trump’s derogatory comments towards Palestinians during the debate. And most importantly - Biden is presently enabling the genocide. “Trump would be worse” is such a weak argument, even if true - where’s the accountability for the current administration?
MEANWHILE Biden has been working hard on a 3-step peace plan that includes giving up remaining hostages for ceasefire and then continued ceasefire with more conditions resulting in the end of the goddamn war.
Biden is working hard to help genocide the Palestinians. He could end this whenever he wants by not giving them more weapons. He said there was a red line! All lies.
How does Biden take away the guns they already have?
Furthermore, have you even thought about how not giving them more firepower will play out? Because, guess what, it still won’t stop what Israel is doing.
Then send in the UN and forcefully remove their nukes if they’re going to be gonicidal with them. So sick of this argument being trotted out to defend what Israel is doing. Might does not make right.
Now let me see your criticism of all the Republicans in Congress who fully support the situation in Gaza. Surprising all I hear are “GeNoCiDe JoE” comments from people like you.
This run down fits with what I saw but biden was better by the end if not great. Trump did a good job though of looking better in a beauty pageant aint nobody want to be a contestant in.
I don’t get how anyone can see this debate as high stakes. I feel like anyone who’s been paying any sort of attention knows who these two guys are and what they’re about. If you’re a fascist, you’re voting Trump. If you’re not, the only question is whether you’re going to vote Biden or stay home.
Also, please don’t stay home. Biden sucks, but Trump is basically openly promising the end of American democracy at this point.
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