They can argue a restraining order is materially different than a child in danger. There is a duty to report for child abuse and child neglect there isn’t however any actual duty to act. Its partially how cps gets away with kids dying after investigations when they make negative notes about but did not act.
I wouldn’t be terribly shocked if a caveat was made for this kind of action. When you consider not just the inaction but them prohibiting parents from intervening you have materially different facts.
I don’t see a massive change coming but perhaps a narrowly tailored ruling.
You’re 100% right. The supreme Court ruled on the duty to protect and on qualified immunity, the only way the state could get a verdict is if it’s very narrowly tailored to either “extremely egregious and inhumane behavior” or for “stopping the parents”. There’s no other way for a judge to make a guilty verdict and at the same time make it appeal-proof to some degree.
And we just gotta hope and pray this gets through and doesn’t get overturned.
One thing about this that could get interesting is when the school leaders are different versions of the Christian/Catholic faith. Which Bible do you use? Which lessons do you incorporate? What about the trinity? Mary? The saints?
I hear you. All you hear about is how incoherent Biden is… Bullshit. He comes across as articulate and knowledgeable here. Trump hasn’t said anything at all yet. He just keeps spouting idiotic generalizations about how bad the state of the country is without any examples or proof.
I hear you. All you hear about is how incoherent Biden is… Bullshit
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During a response to a question about abortion, Biden mentioned, seemingly out of nowhere, a young woman who was recently murdered by an immigrant — an apparent reference to a 12-year-old Houston girl who was strangled to death, allegedly by two Venezuelan men who entered the country illegally.
Overall, Biden put in a very lackluster, unconvincing performance while Trump did his usual schtick of rambling off topic, lying through his teeth, and refusing to answer any questions on policy. The whole thing was a shambles.
Is it my imagination or are they moderators letting Trump go on while cutting Biden off most of the time?
I wish Biden would slow down, he’s getting flustered and can’t seem to find his words. Trump is just acting like it’s a rally, saying whatever the hell he wants and making shit up. This is ridiculous.
MAGA bullied the moderators with threats of violence to prevent them from pushing back on Trump’s lies. Looks like it worked, they didn’t say jack shit.
CNN also made a big deal about live fact checking and did none of it during the debate. Corporate oligarchs licking their chops at the potential tax cuts with a 2nd Trump term, dictatorial ambitions be damned.
They set the expectations ridiculously low for Biden and are desperately trying to claw that back. When they say he can’t string two sentences together, all he has to do is string two sentences together and he’s shown that they’re wrong about him. Such morons.
Meanwhile, I had higher expectations for Biden, and Trump’s expectations are what I’m seeing… This debate will not sway me away from voting Biden, but fuck is it hard to watch.
I try to remember that we’re voting for an entire administration and presidential appointments, an apparatus much larger than one old man. It’s cold comfort, but it’s something.
I feel like Biden has exceeded my expectations for him. I wouldn’t call him good, but he’s better than I expected him to be, which was essentially Trump lite on policy.
I agree, and have said the same repeatedly. In 2020, I just wanted a president who wasn’t a complete crook, con man, and national embarrassment. I didn’t think Biden would accomplish much, I just hoped he could repair our reputation with other countries a little.
I was stunned that Biden accomplished more than Obama. He certainly isn’t perfect, but he’s fine a good job. Just that infrastructure bill would be something most presidents would take as their legacy, but he’s done a lot more.
He’s too damned old, but I’ll still take him over Trump.
I really don't see his policies as even being close. environment, taxes, ukraine, abortion. Hes not even bush jr light. Might be able to compare him to bush sr. or reagan as far as lite version but you can say that about clinton and obama. As far adminstration accomplishments he is the best president of my lifetime. I liked obama but he really wasted his first term. Granted we are not nearly as left as I would like to be as a country now or in direction we are headed bu that is not due to too many democrats being elected.
I dunno. IMO, he didn’t sound terrible. He sounded like an 81 year old who probably shouldn’t have been shoved into the nomination but the other frontrunner last time could have forced some representation of the left, so the DNC did it anyway. At least he made an effort to make sentences and call out lies, which the moderators should have.
I hate that our choices are a guy who should be retired vs a nazi that should be retired.
We need about a week to see what happens with polling. Anyone right now is just reading tea leaves. But uh … This is the worst debate performance I’ve seen since Palin. So I can see why party insiders are suddenly discussing things like an open convention in hushed voices.
Okay, but what I’m reading is that Biden sounded like a lost old man and Trump sounded like a crazy old man, which is what everyone already knew about both of them, so I’m not sure why anyone would change their minds.
Because we know from 2016 and 2020 that Trump’s craziness isn’t an impediment to him getting votes. We’re also in a bubble here on Lemmy. The CNN flash poll they conduct before/after the debate had a 12 point swing towards Trump.
Was that 12 points swinging towards Trump as the debate winner or was that people changing their vote? Because those are very different things. I would be surprised if it were the latter.
I really don’t think that it’s telling at all. I have a very difficult time believing someone would suddenly consider a dictator over the possibility of Kamala Harris stepping in like they hadn’t already.
That is also true. Another breakpoint coming up is Trump’s sentencing. Apparently focus groups report they’re less likely to vote for him if he gets a sentence including a jail or prison term.
I did watch it. It was not great but, I’m still left with the impression that people set really unrealistic expectations for an 81 year old with a history of speech impediment. Those things come back in novel ways as we get older. IMO, the whole thing borders on elder abuse but, that’s where we’re at. Just disappointing to see the “left-wing” (corpo) media immediately on the attack - they seem to be trying to carry more water due Trump.
Also, I am not sure if the shell-shocked look of the talking head before she started speaking was from the debate or the words on the teleprompter.
What’s amazing to me is the Trump team set the bar so super low that Biden would have cleared it no matter what and it didn’t end up making a difference.
Agreed. I didn’t think that it would have made much of a difference, however, even if Biden came across as a master orator. “Undecided” folks are probably just going to use whatever they take from it to justify whatever decision they were likely already going to make.
As far as I know, Biden chose to run for president again. If that was forced on him, then yes, what’s happening is terrible. But if he made that choice freely, then we’re only attempting to vet candidates for the job as we always do. If he can’t handle the vetting process (as flawed and televised as it is) then he shouldn’t be running…
He should be at home chilling, not taking on one of the most demanding possible jobs for another 4 years. His decision making may or may not be fine, but the he obviously can’t consistently meet the communication demands of the role.
The alternative is worse, but I’m not happy about voting for Biden. 3rd parties and RCV, please!
I was really dissapointed that biden did not discuss trump lowering interest rates to zero before covid when obama had gotten us to a few percent. Zero interest rates is something that is only supposed to be done when there are problems and the economy is not running right and we need a general buff. three to six are normal levels. over six is high. You will always get inflation when interest rates are kept low in an economy that does not need it. This was one reason we could not drop them when covid hit and the reason they had to be raised at breakneck speed which is something you never want to do. They should be lowered and raised very slowly at very slow levels. Idealy quarter of a point or less each time and not ever quarter.
I don’t know, I’m for sure voting Biden, but I can’t say he’s doing great. He’s doing a little better when he’s getting riled, but he sounds old - more than three years older than Trump.
Oh, for sure. And I’ve worked with enough really sharp older people to know their words can get flubbed up when they’re on the spot when even though their brains are sharp.
Blows my mind that vasectomies are the less common procedure. Got mine done cheaply many years ago. Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Partner got tubes done recently (so that insurance couldn’t deny her for medically necessary hysterectomy later, what a dumb system we have) and she was miserably bedridden for quite a while, with the scars to prove it. Would have been expensive if she wasn’t maxed for out-of-pocket already.
Toxic masculinity, all my friends that don’t want to be convinced have the worst excuses possible but most times it’s about not wanting to feel like a lesser man.
That’s so bizare, since I swapped out to unleaded we fuck constantly and not worry about contraception. nothing makes you feel like more of a man than fucking raw dog every chance you get.
If I’m not mistaken I live in the place where vasectomy is the most common and some people still think like that. Talk to your the people around you and you’ll see.
I get that reference, but also I’d like to support the statement. I’ve sat on my couch for 2-3 days, frozen peas in my lap and just took it slow. A week later I could barely tell that anything changed.
On the flip side, I was up and working out three days after my bisalp. And my friend who got a vasectomy was bedridden for a week. I think they’re pretty comparable, it’s just a game of rock paper scissors whether you’ll have the easy or the hard recovery.
Trump has just flat out refused to answer several questions… the moderators have brought questions back a few time - I don’t think Dana just saying “that’s a lie” would be productive but I think Trump’s evasion got well highlighted.
Oh they understand people fuck, and the people who want to ban abortion and contraception want people to have kids they didn’t want for various reasons.
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