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Default_Defect , in Kyle Rittenhouse's family plead for money as they face eviction
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

Another “family values” type doesn’t seem to give a shit about his own family. Bet he has strong opinions on abortion though.

aidan ,

I don’t think he ever said anything about family values

sunzu ,

So much down votes but zero rebuttal...

It seems facts hurt some people around here. Really wouldn't want them getting in the way of a good circle jerk.

Cataphract ,

reply said, “I don’t think” as in they don’t actually know. Something like a cited source might help and receive actual conversation or else it’s just fluff much like your conjecture. It’s easy to assume his “family values” from the rightwing conservative aspect and being a member of the “Proud boys” and all. But please, continue the inner circle jerk you’ve started.

aidan ,

Something like a cited source might help and receive actual conversation

what. you’re asking me to give a source for a negative. do you expect me to chronicle every word he’s ever said to show he never said the words family values. will you do the same to confirm what I said?

being a member of the “Proud boys”

this statement is untrue and I do have a source for it, or as best as you can get for proving a negative.

homicidalrobot ,

Everyone’s favorite game show: Child, Senior, or Foreign Agent?

You really posted a nexstar/Mission Media article as a source to defend a right wing ignoramus. It’s like poetry. Get a shred of media literacy, please.

aidan ,

The author of the article really doesn’t matter when the quote is true…

aidan ,

The author of the article really doesn’t matter when the quote is true…

sunzu ,

It's easy to assume his "family values"

Thanks, champ!

This summarized the entire thread lol

Draedron ,

Kyle Murderhouse is a far right pos. The far right constantly cries about family values.

InternetUser2012 ,

Isn’t the right all about “family values?” Being “good” christians and whatnot? It goes with the territory.

aidan ,

what? there are plenty of right-wing atheists, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc

InternetUser2012 , (edited )

So, you a bot? You replied twice and neither make sense if you read my comment…

Yeah you a bot.

aidan ,

You claimed being right wing was limited to something unrelated to it. 2 responses because I didn’t know if one was uploaded because of crappy internet. But sure continue to believe a conspiracy about everyone who disagrees with you.

aidan ,

There are plenty of right wing atheists…

lolcatnip ,

All right wingers support the imposition of the right’s hypocritical version of Christianity regardless of their personal beliefs.

aidan ,

wdym?

Jakeroxs ,

Can you name a prominent right wing Atheist

aidan ,
  1. Why do they have to be prominent?
  2. Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand, Hayek, and many more
FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I love how the only three names you could come up with were dead people.

aidan ,

Or maybe it’s just who I thought of? I think it’s fair to even say Trump is effectively agnostic even if he wouldn’t admit it

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Is it just who you thought of or is it that the modern right is completely in bed with the Christian theocrats? Whether or not you believe Trump is agnostic, he’s selling Bibles and making bank off of them.

aidan ,

Its who I thought of, because its (at least for Friedman, not Ayn Rand) who I align with more(somewhat) on the right. I am an agnostic and pretty right-wing(by my own definition)

Jakeroxs ,
  1. So people know their actual views semi widely, wouldn’t matter at all if you said “I have friends” as we have no way to look into their beliefs.
aidan ,

I mean, feel free to check my own comments if you want

Jakeroxs ,

I was just answering your question, I think a majority of atheists do not end up skewing right/conservative generally because they don’t adhear to any of the outdated/harmful aspects of most mainstream religions.

aidan ,

Imo, religion having any correlation with being a bit more right wing is a historical coincidence, right wing economics was in the 18th and 19th century often tied to less religious people.

HelixDab2 ,

Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Michael Shermer.

All prominent atheists, all decidedly right-wing. If you want to include dead atheists, then I’d also say Christopher Hitchens was decidedly right wing on a lot of issues.

Jakeroxs ,

Richard Dawkins is definitely NOT right wing lmao

Sam Harris is NOT right wing

I don’t know Michael Shermer, but he states he’s fiscal conservative but social liberal, I’m not sure I’d count that as “decidedly right wing” either.

HelixDab2 ,

…Have you been paying attention to Dawkins in the last decade? The dude is decidedly anti-trans, anti-woke. Harris has been on the side of Republican foreign policy for decades, even if he’s more socially permissive. Shermer is the same kind of anti-LGBTQ anti-woke as Dawkins.

Jakeroxs ,

No tbh, I was big into atheism back in the early 2010s, dogma debate, Atheist experience, thinking Atheist, rationally speaking, probably more podcasts I’m forgetting off-hand, fell off a bit around the mid there and got heavy into politics and conspiracy theory rebuttals instead (Knowledge Fight, QAnon Anonymous, behind the bastards, secular talk, breaking points more recently) definitely haven’t kept up so much with the old Atheism crews. That is definitely unfortunate though semi understandable, Dawkins is/was very science/data driven, and biologically speaking the majority of people fall into the duality of male/female, and how you identify/feel is a different matter in many people’s eyes. Then again, I think there’s still a lot for us to uncover about how our bodies and brains develop/function that likely play into people feeling like they ARE/should be the opposite gender. I will say the first tweet he made that I read didn’t specifically sound Trans-hating, it was very much a fair enough discussion question about how to handle situations like transsexual or transracial, though he went about it in a way that definitely comes across as demeaning.

Idk overall, seems like he slid even more into platforming and agreeing with antitrans and TERFs like JK Rowling, so that’s certainly not great.

But does that alone make him Right Wing now? I don’t think so specifically

HelixDab2 ,

“Gender critical” is a dogwhistle for anti-trans. Dawkins falls squarely into that camp, of questioning everything that trans people, and experts on the subject have to say. The problem with being anti-trans–or, one of the problems–is that by its nature it assumes that there’s some kind of sex role in society. E.g., women are A, B, C, and men are X, Y, Z, and you can’t move between them. That kind of gender-essentialism is fundamentally socially regressive. Dawkins is also quite significantly culturally Christian, and Islamophobic, e.g., he is entirely critical of Islam both as a religion and as what he perceives to be a culture, but doesn’t direct the same types of criticism towards the Anglican church that he grew up surrounded by.

how you identify/feel is a different matter in many people’s eyes.

The way I see it, it’s just not my business. The only time that someone else’s gender identity is going to matter to me is if I’m potentially interested in dating them. They’re not harming people, they’re not ‘taking’ anything away from cis-women (or cis-men, for that matter), so why should it be my business what they feel they need to do with their body in order to feel comfortable in their own skin? I came across this a few weeks back, and it really drove that home to me.

But does that alone make him Right Wing now?

It’s a spectrum, like all things. You can be pro-science, but also still have a very socially conservative view on the ‘right’ place for people in society, or still maintain false beliefs about the ‘rightness’ of capitalism, imperialism, and so on. And scientists are still human, and prone to the same cognitive biases as everyone else.

Being right wing doesn’t necessarily mean being religious. Being left wing doesn’t necessarily mean being atheist. Yes, that’s more often true than not, but I think part of that is that the right in general uses an appeal to tradition–which includes religious practices–as part of their package. But, on the other hand, Jesus, as depicted in the 4 gospels and the early Christian church, would have been very comfortable to socialists, as would the teachings on tolerance.

In re: podcasts, the only explicitly atheist one that I still listen to is The Friendly Atheist. I find Jess to be annoyingly hyperbolic most of the time, and she frequently makes wildly overbroad statements, but Hemant Mehta is pretty measured overall. Mostly I listen to politics (FiveThirtyEight), 2A podcasts (A Better Way 2A, the irregular Tiger Bloc Podcast, Guns Guide To Liberals, Practical Shooting After Dark), a couple of ex-Mormon podcasts (Mormon Stories is great if you love really, really long form interviews), You Are Not So Smart, sometimes BtB, Cool People Who Did Cool Things, a couple others.

Dearth ,

Yes there are. And most of them vote for conservative Democrats

aidan ,

Ok? Also, source?

Dearth ,

What atheist supports the theists in the far right Republican party?

Famous atheists support Democrats.

aidan ,

Theism is not inherently right wing. I am agnostic, and consider myself fairly right wing

Crashumbc ,

Albinos exist also, what’s your point?

The overwhelming majority of right wing nutters are christian cultists.

aidan ,
EatATaco ,

You’re just mindlessly pigeonholing. You may be right, but it’s childish black and white thinking.

jeena , in Internet Archive forced to remove 500,000 books after publishers’ court win
@jeena@piefed.jeena.net avatar

"Library of Alexandria had to be set on fire after publishers’ court win"

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

The good news is, as far as I know, they don’t have to actually delete the data.

So at least these books have still been digitized if something changes and they are allowed to be accessed in the future. Some of them may not exist in physical form at this point, or only as one or two copies in an academic library.

stoy ,

That is not what has happened here.

“The library of Alexandria has had to remove some books from public lending due to court order”

The IA played a very risky game during covid, lost, and now needs to face concequences.

It could be soo much worse.

Waldowal , in Accused adulterer Trump who paid to keep Stormy Daniels affair secret professes ‘love’ for the Ten Commandments
@Waldowal@lemmy.world avatar

He’s marking them off as he goes.

buttfarts , in Woman busted giving Botox injections in Florida mall’s parking lot for $150 to $350, cops say

I want to live in a country where anyone can practice unlicensed medicine from a parking lot because I am a librarian

Late2TheParty ,
@Late2TheParty@lemmy.world avatar

I think you mean lemur. Librarians advocate for a sort-of live-and-let-live form of government.

JetpackJackson ,

No that’s a libertarian. A librarian is a folklore creature commonly associated with the color green and a pot of gold

Diplomjodler3 ,

Wait, what? You’re one of the people who are trying to make our kids gay by giving them LNG books? Shame on you!

Shapillon ,

Liquified Natural Gas books?

555_1 ,

Sharts?

Diplomjodler3 ,

Nah, them gay-making ones!

barsquid ,

As long as they’re paying the lot entry and usage fee and the road tolls on their way to it. It would not be acceptable to use private infrastructure without paying the landlords. It is literally stealing food out of their children’s mouths and violating the NAP.

restingboredface , in Ex-CEO of Nevada-based health care company Ontrak convicted of $12.5 million insider trading scheme

Isn’t it interesting that the only thing a CEO ever gets arrested for is a crime that hurts investors?

Coffee_Addict , in Texas Republican vows to pass bill on Ten Commandments in public schools
@Coffee_Addict@lemmy.world avatar

The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…

Seems pretty clear cut and dry to me. These guys really are the epitome of “Rules for thee, but not for me,” aren’t they?

Gerudo ,

It’s all about doing it, then getting shot down.

They can then say “look! The libruls hate god!” And then they get more donations and votes.

solsangraal , (edited )

someone saying “no” when evangelicals try to force their religion on everyone is “persecution” to them

Zier ,
@Zier@fedia.io avatar

Christians are professional victims, but not actual victims. And most of the time they are victimizing others.
It's hard being in a cult. :(

Heavybell ,
@Heavybell@lemmy.world avatar

When they aren’t victimising each other, that is. Don’t forget, the “persecution” the pilgrims were fleeing was not being allowed to persecute each other as hard as they wanted to.

Zier ,
@Zier@fedia.io avatar

Exactly!
My favorite part is when they turn on each other.
No one is ever pure enough in a cult.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Worked for Trump on Muslims.

workerONE , in Genovese mobster ‘Tony Cakes’ ID’d as NYC pedestrian, 86, decapitated by DOT truck

“His head rolled across the street and landed at my feet and I said to myself, that looks a lot like Tony Cakes the Genovese crime family captain” probably

Edit: no use deleting this shit post because you all will still be able to see it.

audiomodder , in Iowa schools must tell parents if a child changes their pronouns

This is just guidance from the Iowa DoE. This has been a law for a year now, but the DoE wouldn’t put out official guidance on it, making school districts scramble to figure things out on their own.

If a student even asks a hypothetical “if I were to ask to be called by…”, parents have to be notified. Generic notice was given to our GSA that students that were unsure if their parents were supportive should ask to be called by their last names to avoid being deadnamed.

As a teacher, every student became a “they”, all my seating charts were done by last name, and I had to refuse calling students nicknames unless it was noted in our official system. As a trans teacher, I was targeted by a parent who tried to set me up. A student asked to be called by a shortened name where it was unclear if it was a different gender from their given name (think like Chris for Christina). They did not ask any other teacher to do this, and their parents refused to sign anything allowing it. So I refused, and parents tried to escalate it. Fortunately my admin is amazing and just removed the student from my class.

Side note: the same year they did this, they also passed a law that mandated that the student mental health survey that the CDC puts out every year be replaced by their own Iowa version. The only difference? They removed questions about sexual orientation and gender identity questions. These questions include things like “how often have you had thoughts of killing yourself” and “how often do you feel down or depressed”. We know, statistically, that these laws will increase suicidality among queer students, but now we don’t have any way to prove that the laws they passed had that effect. It’s downright evil.

UltraGiGaGigantic , in Utah's bathroom snitch line hasn't found one legitimate complaint out of 12,000

It turns out that writing “cum” 420 times isn’t accepted as legitimate intel.

tal , (edited ) in Iowa schools must tell parents if a child changes their pronouns
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Dear Mr. and Mrs. Jones:

Over the course of this school year, it has become apparent to the educational staff at Green Valley Elementary School that your child, Michael, has been using nonstandard pronouns, including all of thee, thy, thou, thine, and ye.

This letter is being provided to you in accordance with Iowa state law, to ensure that you are informed about and may address the situation.

qevlarr , in Stonehenge not visibly damaged by protest paint. It's clean and ready to rock the solstice
@qevlarr@lemmy.world avatar

All that hand wringing over what kind of protest should be ok, you guys are exhausting. The kind of protest doesn’t make a difference at all. A lot of people will say it’s unacceptable no matter what. I’ll even admit sometimes a protest misses the mark, but I’m still glad they did it.

The kids are alright

cows_are_underrated ,

It depends. I think that protest goes to far, if it really damages a building. Since this didn’t its all right.

khaleer ,

Oh, poor building, poor monuments, poor rocks. If only we have any way to declare our oposition againt bilionaires literally destroying the whole ecosystems, destroying people lives and health. But for fucking sake, the poor, orange painted monument. those damn protesters crossed uncrossable line. I will not support them anymore!

jorp ,

I sure hope no buildings are damaged as society collapses from climate change strain

flying_sheep ,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

Just Stop Oil said the paint was made of cornstarch and would dissolve in the rain.

Merriman said experts cleaned the orange powder from the stones because they were concerned about how it might react to water.

Might.

So because it could in the future maybe possibly damage it in some unspecified amount, they cleaned it off to be super sure there will be no damage.

So what fucking damage that really happened in the real world are you talking about?

cows_are_underrated ,

I never talked about damage at Stonehege. I said, that damaging buildings how’s to far. They didn’t damage Stonehenge so its fine.

flying_sheep ,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

Gotcha. Given how the post we’re replying to is about Stonehenge, I guess I assumed that’s what you’re talking about

starman2112 ,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Any protest that doesn’t physically damage buildings owned by the fossil fuel industry aren’t going far enough

This comment is advocating for property damage

afraid_of_zombies ,

How would your reaction have been if it wasn’t a cultural artifact creating by Europeans? Say they did it at Native American site or Aboriginal?

funkless_eck ,

it wasn’t, though.

Perhaps if you could name the site, the protestes, the cause and the method we could go “Yeah that would be much/slightly better/worse” but I don’t think we’d get much more out of it than that.

starman2112 ,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

If it’s as non-destructive as the rest of their protests, then I’d have nothing against it

TankovayaDiviziya ,
afraid_of_zombies ,

Gotcha. So now we know the answer.

qevlarr ,
@qevlarr@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t waste energy categorizing right or wrong ways to protest. All this is a distraction from the actual issues.

luciferofastora ,

Agreed. The more we argue about the “how” of the protests, the more we’re distracted from what they’re actually protesting about. The most effective way of stopping people complaining about something isn’t to shut them up, but to fix the thing.

If someone’s poor and can’t afford to buy food, no amount of fines or jail time will prevent them from going back to stealing food the second they get out because - guess what - they’re still fucking poor. There’s a food bank near where I lived a while ago that notoriously had long lines. Slowly shuffling forward in a queue that screams “I’m poor” must be uncomfortable, but they’re still not stealing food while they have an alternative.

If you want people to stop vandalising shit in their outrage over exploitation and greed, fucking do something about the exploitation and greed. I’m sure those people could have thought of more pleasant ways to spend their time than creating their cornflour pigment, driving out there and getting arrested to make a point without leaving lasting damage.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Don’t tell me what to do.

qevlarr ,
@qevlarr@lemmy.world avatar

I wasn’t really, only in a rhetorical sense. You’re kinda being a dick about it, tho. Are you on a mission to be the most downvoted commenter or something? Don’t let me get in your way.

moon ,

Pretty sure this guy just runs around Lemmy trying to stir things up. I had a run-in with him recently that was needless contentious and I’m not surprised to see him doing the same thing here

qevlarr ,
@qevlarr@lemmy.world avatar

That’s what I thought, yeah. Some people…

Sidyctism2 ,

As a european, i dont give a shit. As a german, they could have blown up the brandenburg gate for all i care

Snowclone ,

My only opinion is that if the protest dosen’t hurt the owner class, then it’s not going to do anything anyway.

qevlarr ,
@qevlarr@lemmy.world avatar

Any protest is better than complaining or arguing on the internet. I’ll let the tactics to the actual people doing their actions. Nothing but encouragement from me 👍

gerbler ,

The protest isn’t intended to hurt the owner class. The protest is intended to draw attention to the issue. We’re talking about it therefore it’s an effective form of protest.

Without protests like this we go about our lives worrying about bills and ignore the literal apocalyptic catastrophe we’re nose-diving into.

Gerudo , in Ex-Florida law enforcement official says he was forced to resign for defying illegal DeSantis orders

Why the fuck is DeSantis anywhere near Texas politics. We have Wheel Chair Jimmy, we don’t need any more fuck wads.

FenrirIII ,
@FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

You mean Abbot the giant piss baby?

D1G17AL , in An 8-year-old girl was sucked into a swimming pool pipe at a Hilton hotel. The management company blamed her parents

Delta P is a scary phenomenon. Who else watched that terrifying video with the far too cheerful narrator?

HappycamperNZ ,

When its got you…

qevlarr ,
@qevlarr@lemmy.world avatar
andallthat , in Accused adulterer Trump who paid to keep Stormy Daniels affair secret professes ‘love’ for the Ten Commandments

Love them and try to follow every… Wait, it says “shall not”?" Ah nevermind…

snausagesinablanket , in Internet Archive forced to remove 500,000 books after publishers’ court win
@snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world avatar

But LLM’s can copy anything.

umbrella , (edited )
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

rules for thee but not for me!

piracy is awrsome, folks!

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

What I’m hearing you say is that the Internet Archive needs to figure out some underhanded way of making themselves ridiculously profitable and then stop being a non-profit. It worked out quite well for OpenAI after all.

pixel_prophet ,

But they make stonk lines go up so wall street can buy caviar for their kids.

CPMSP ,
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