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UltraGiGaGigantic ,

It turns out that writing “cum” 420 times isn’t accepted as legitimate intel.

some_guy ,

Looks like they took the form down. If anyone has a new link, please post it. I’ve got some creative writing to share with the bigots in Utah.

https://lemmy.sdf.org/pictrs/image/3d08bab4-b217-478f-b751-40febbc9d49a.png

jeffw OP ,

Damn, ig you missed the party. I shared the link for informational purposes only on a post weeks ago

BigMacHole ,

I’d rather my Tax Dollars go to THAT instead of feeding Starving American Children!

jeffw OP ,

Who cares about if they’re hungry? I just want to talk about their genitalia!!!

damnedfurry , (edited )

Preface: I don’t care at all what bathroom anyone uses, just a silly lighthearted comment:

But I do find it a bit funny that the headline mentions 12,000 complaints, but leaves out that only 5 of them were even looked into, lol.

Sensationalism is everywhere, I guess, lol.

kofe ,

Read the article. The rest were obvious jokes, and the 5 they thought may be “plausible” didn’t result in a substantive complaint.

damnedfurry ,

Yes, obviously. Why did I even bother with that preface, people are just so eager to take everything in the worst possible way, lol.

kofe ,

I was just trying to alleviate any confusion, cuz your second line made it sound like maybe you thought the rest of the calls weren’t even listened to. Muh bad

troglodytis ,

Interesting. I inferred that the vast majority were joke complaints to illuminate how absurd the hot line is just by reading the title.

Sensitivity is everywhere, I guess, lol.

Censored ,

I think we need to start breaking the law and self reporting. We’ll send in pictures of our junk spewing urine in the wrong room so they’ll be sure it’s a legitimate complaint.

TenderfootGungi ,

As a straight guy, I have just walked into the wrong bathroom or chaises a kid into the wrong bathroom more times than I want to admit.

rowdyrockets ,

At first I thought “what kind of weirdo is chasing kids into bathrooms”, then I remembered that some people have children lol

homesnatch ,

Only 12000? Those are rookie numbers! Get back to work!

SoleInvictus ,

Seriously. This person filed 20,716 complaints about flight path noise pollution in a year. Just one person. I need to see a zero added behind that 12,000 figure, then I’ll know at least six people are truly dedicated.

Nobody ,

This is outrageous. They’re not even going to attempt to investigate my report about an alien beaming into the bathroom and touching my peepee? Just for that, I’m filing 10 more complaints.

GBU_28 ,

Which bathroom tho

AeonFelis ,

The humans’ bathroom.

Leg ,

Never gonna catch me 👽

Nobody ,

On this planet, you don’t just leave a guy hanging like that. When you start a job, finish it dammit!

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

I’m still waiting for my alien reach around.

bradorsomething ,

Gayliens.

ameancow ,

Just to make up for that grevious lack of action about your case, I think we should ALL file reports about those alien peepee touchers until it gets the attention it deserves.

I mean, bathrooms are the most important thing in the world and despite it being a very modern contrivance, making sure the right people are using the right machines to whisk their poopies and pee away is critical for the survival of our species. We have to defend this noble institution against the alien peepee touchers! MAKE THEM LISTEN!

Treczoks ,

only five were investigated

Can one sue Utah for gross neglience now? I mean, they got thousands of complaints from concerned citizens, and they only cared for investigating five of them? Or do they profile those complaints into “we are not investigating certain types of people”, e.g. politicians that have been reported?

SupraMario ,

I want to know how they “investigate” this bullshit. This is a complete waste of tax payers money…but since it’s from the party of small gov. And saving money its ok cause we have to know who’s got what equipment and going into what bathrooms.

All business’s should just swap all their signs over to unisex and be done with this bullshit.

Treczoks ,

This is a complete waste of tax payers money

A lot of those rulings are. But this would be fun to exploit to the bottom just to make it really hurt.

TheLowestStone ,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

They review hundred of hours of hidden toilet cam footage. How else would you investigate?

frezik ,

Well, a huge chunk of those probably came from patriotic LGBT+ citizens cramming the reports with junk. Which is a good thing to do, but we wouldn’t expect them to do more than a cursory check.

Treczoks ,

Well, a huge chunk of those probably came from patriotic LGBT+ citizens cramming the reports with junk.

Of course. But they opened that snitchline with so much fanfare and claimed people using the “wrong” bathroom the end of the world. And then they only investigate five out of 12k reports. Now that sounds lame even for Republicans. What if they opened a snitchline on corrupt politicians? Will they only investigate five cases out of 12k reports? Such a snitchline would be much more important for society than reporting people using the wrong door. But chances are that they won’t open such a line for a number of reasons…

AA5B ,

they may have had reason to believe the remaining complaints were not valid or not actionable or not in scope.

Maybe it’s my biases showing but while I can see the possibility that they’re not doing their job, only investigating a minuscule percent, I can also see possibilities that they were set up to fail, or that most complaints are obvious fakes or their scope is limited so most are not relevant.

I know I’ve never had reason to complain about the wrong person using the wrong bathroom. Have you? This really seems like a non-problem.

Of course im also on the side of fewer restrictions. Even back several decades ago when I was in college, the bathrooms in my dorm were coed, and we survived.

Realistically the only complaint I ever had was more age related. One time a Dad brought his kid in the changing room at the pool and did not use the curtained off area: she was really too old for that. She was clearly aware and uncomfortable being surrounded by naked guys - this could have been better handled. As a Dad myself, I let my kids go in themselves before that age so I mainly blame him being overprotective. Or at least I blame him for not using the curtained area that was right there that would have given her a little privacy

Mediocre_Bard ,

I’ve been in the men’s, had a women walk in and enter a stall, and didn’t give a fuck. We’re both adults. She either made a mistake or didn’t want to wait. Either way, it did not impact me.

AA5B ,

Seems like it’s common out at clubs or similar events. Especially with alcohol, where people need to pee more often. There are similar numbers of men and women and similar numbers of facilities but lines at women’s get longer and longer until some just don’t care.

Maybe I’d care if there were enough crossovers to make me wait in line too, but so far I’ve never had reason to complain, nor have I heard any other guy complain. …. Maybe I should shut up before emboldening others to inconvenience me, but whatever

afraid_of_zombies ,

Hey us allies helped out as well. I sent them my Fight Club Fan fiction.

Xtallll ,
@Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It’s only 5 so far, reading the Bee Movie script takes a long time, especially when they have to keep stopping to sound out every other word.

echodot ,

They gave up at “aerodynamic”

captainlezbian ,

I’m struck by the fact that as a trans woman I look more cis than some women I know who’ve given birth. I’m actually worried about a cis friend of mine if we ever get bathroom laws here.

MagicShel ,

I’ve been trying to explain to my less enlightened family for years that requiring a trans man to use the women’s bathroom only makes it easier for men to just walk in since having a beard and a dad bod no longer means you have to use the men’s room.

These laws just don’t make any sense and can only make whatever they are afraid of (men hearing their wives and daughters tinkle, apparently) worse.

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

That’s what has always stumped me. They do realize that trans men look like… men. Right? Like, they want some dude to just stroll into the women’s bathroom? Like, legally want that dude to be forced to stroll into that women’s bathroom?!?

The dude doesn’t want to be in there. Women don’t want the dude to be in there. Why do these politicians want the dude to be in there?!

interrobang ,

and the trans person gets assaulted in the bathroom they are ‘supposed’ to use! Its just an excuse to banish us from public, there is no right answer.

aStonedSanta ,

Exactly. It’s like telling black people to use their water fountain. But there isn’t a fucking water fountain for them.

Regression of society sucks to watch in real time.

Edit: hope this isn’t an offensive correlation. 💀

FlyingSquid , (edited )
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve been saying that for a while. Not only does this open up many trans women to additional harassment, it also opens it up to any cis woman someone decides looks too masculine to be a “real” woman.

swordgeek ,

Let’s cut to the chase.

This bill, and many like it, are created with a clear purpose: to subjugate women. Harming the LGBTQ2+ community is almost secondary, since they can do that just fine already.

aStonedSanta ,

Yeah. It’s like a two for one special for these fucking assholes. Infuriating.

Crikeste ,

Just curious; why did you put a 2 in LGBTQ+? I’ve just never seen that before and wonder what it means? Does it capture the IA?

swordgeek ,

2 is for 2-spirit; I’ve seen both 2 and 2S, but either way it refers to Indigenous 3rd-gender folks.

Crikeste ,

You learn something new every day… Thank you for the info!

shinratdr ,
@shinratdr@lemmy.ca avatar

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit

Crikeste ,

What the hell. How have I never heard of this? Thank you!

shinratdr ,
@shinratdr@lemmy.ca avatar

No problem. It’s a more common term in Canada, so I’ve been seeing it since I was in high school which was like 15 years ago. In my head the “long” LGBT string has always been 2SLGBTQIA+ but I realize the “2S” part isn’t as well known.

Crikeste ,

Ahhh, that makes sense. I’m from America and have seen it evolve from LGB > LGBT > LGBTQ > LGBTQI+. I’m unsure of how well your natives are represented in Canada, but the way we treat them here speaks as to why I’ve never heard the term. They are practically 2nd class citizens according to our government.

Drivebyhaiku ,

You are unlikely to if you aren’t in Canada. It seems like Indigenous folk down in the States don’t have quite as much success spreading widespread awareness. I produced some stuff and had to explain to a bunch of Americans what a land acknowledgement was. For the past 5 years where I am they are performed before any meeting or performance. Up here 2S gets top billing at the beginning of the LGBTQIA initnialism to give deference to gender categories that were suppressed by European supremacist colonization.

AlligatorBlizzard ,

I’m in Minnesota, we do land acknowledgements here, and the longer initialism I often see is LGBTQIA2S+, but I’ve never seen the 2S getting the top billing. That said, I think I can speak for all (reasonable) Minnesotans when I say that we’re willing to do that when we become Canada’s newest province.

Censored ,

People in the US do land acknowledgments. I don’t think the indigenous really care one way or another. It’s still stolen land, an acknowledgment isn’t giving it back.

dumples ,

Based on that numbers it will be mostly cis woman who get harassed. There have been plenty of cases of it already. There was a few big ones in my state when people complaining that their daughters lost in sport

ameancow ,

Conservatism has only ever been about the most superficial of ideals.

Many of them would have no issue at all with extending laws about gender to laws about appearance and I’m not even kidding. We have plenty of examples from right-wing governments and social trends of the past absolutely leaning into ideas like phrenology or inherent, essential qualities that go alongside things like hair and eye color.

You should be concerned for your friend, everyone should be concerned that if allowed to mature, conservatism in the US would throw us right back into a time when people can face legal penalties for what they choose to wear, for how they express themselves, for the shape of their face and a thousand other ways they would want to police the world around them so it continues to look the way they want it to look. And too bad if you don’t look like someone who should live in that world.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I would definitely let Utah know that you saw a great many of these people use the “wrong” bathroom:

en.wikipedia.org/…/64th_Utah_State_Legislature

Chozo ,

So not only was it hateful, but it was wasteful, too. Good job, Utah.

danc4498 ,

Feature not a bug

Grandwolf319 ,

Not that I want to defend these people but, why would they want that to cost a lot? Make a lot of BS jobs?

danc4498 ,

First thing that comes to mind is republicans want government to be wasteful and useless. So they do shit like this, then blame government and regulations, then push for smaller government and ignore their own role in fucking things up.

Also, they’re giving jobs to bigots, which they love.

I’m sure there’s many other reasons.

TurtleJoe ,
@TurtleJoe@lemmy.world avatar

Bleed the Beast.

Waste money on bullshit like this, then cut useful social services to “balance the budget.”

JeeBaiChow ,

I suppose decades of misandric conditioning would create the opinion that all men, trans or not, are sexual predators and closet perverts. This needs to change.

androogee ,

And misogyny conditions to believe that all women are victims. They really aren’t separate forces, they work together.

Eerybody needs feminism.

commie ,

misandry doesn’t real

sp3tr4l ,

Call and tell them you found the Golden Tablets.

Shou ,

As long as transwomen sit down when using the loo, they are more than welcome. I’m glad that snitch line drew up nothing. Imagine if they used those funds to fascilitate free hygiene products? But noo, they gotta harass a minority…

snapoff , (edited )

Why does sitting matter? I’m honestly asking because I remember my twenties and about half my friends (women) would just hover over the toilet seat. We’re all in our 40s now so I can pretty much drop the percentage to 10% hovering based on complaints about knee pain lol

Editing to add: I’m actually too short to have ever hovered over a toilet seat, I’m not advocating hovering, but that’s not even my point. Splashes can happen for any number of reasons. Y’all want to say only those who sit down should use the women’s bathroom and I’m here to tell you women are just as gross as men in their capacity to urinate onto the seat, regardless of plumbing.

Shou ,

Hovering is just as bad. Because standing causes small deoplets of urine to splash out of the toilet. Not unlike the mist at the bottom of a waterfall. By cleaning the toilet seat and just sitting down, a stall gets nasty slower.

It’s fine if the stall is horrible already, but if it’s clean, it’s better if we keep it that way.

Corkyskog ,

Everybody seems to think they are going to get butt rabies if their butt touches the toilet seat nowadays. I swear it’s propaganda from big Toilet Seat Cover industry

snapoff ,

Michael Scott’s Dunder Mifflin Scranton Meredith Palmer Memorial Celebrity Rabies Awareness Pro Am Fun Run Race for the Cure was not in vain!

AA5B ,

Given the massive amount of things some women carry in their purses, and the plethora of choices in sanitizing wipes, I don’t understand why this isn’t solved already. If you’re afraid of butt rabies or see something suspicious on the seat, a quick wipe and you’re done. I understand most of us don’t want to carry more stuff but I’ll bet there’s a big overlap between people who already do and people who are afraid of butt rabies

snapoff , (edited )

Sorry, editing my comment because I can’t read apparently. Yes urine can splash out, but that doesn’t stop women from bringing their young sons into the bathroom to pee with them. Just clean up after yourself or before if there is an issue. I would hazard a guess that adult trans women would be more likely to clean up a droplet than a young child. Maybe we just use toilet seat covers if we want a barrier?

Also the worst offender is usually the toilet itself for splash back when flushing, in my years of urination experience.

Shou ,

I don’t get what you are trying to imply. I am aware that sitting down isn’t the only option to keep it cleaner for longer.

I know toilets can splash water on the seet. Large droplets aren’t the concern here. It’s the small particles that get out and stick to the seat, walls and floor. You can’t see it, but it does stink up the place.

As for kids, I sure af hope the women clean up after them too. My original commenr was not about whose the worst offender, it’s about being mindful and keeping the stalls clean.

snapoff ,

Idk what you’re on about really. My point was why would standing to urinate preclude someone’s ability to use a certain bathroom. Like I have worked a lot of retail in my past, having to clean bathrooms and such, and I don’t remember having to wash walls in the men’s bathroom any more frequently than the women’s because of piss particles. That seems like a made up concern, tbh.

zeekaran ,

I’ve hovered exactly once in my entire life. If the toilet lid has some pee on it, use the toilet paper. It’s not difficult. Women who hover are dumb.

snapoff ,

Ok, not really my point, but I understand what you’re saying. I was asking why sitting to pee would be the thing that determines which gender bathroom you use. Then I just made an offhand comment about what it was like 20 years ago in women’s bathrooms because it’s funny to me that I knew so many people opposed to actually sitting down.

I certainly don’t agree that intellectual capacity could be effectively determined by how you use the bathroom, however. That seems silly.

ImADifferentBird ,
@ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

As someone who used to clean bathrooms for a job, please don’t hover. You make an insane mess.

snapoff ,

Hard agree here.

AA5B , (edited )

Coed bathrooms at college seemed to work pretty well, and even improved privacy in some ways.

  • everyone washed their hands. Nothing like peer pressure to encourage that
  • stalls had walls and doors
  • urinals had little privacy walls line so many no longer do

So if I’m using a urinal and someone walked in, regardless who they were, all they see is some guy standing there. If someone uses a stall, regardless of who they were , I can probably tell that it’s occupied and maybe judge them for their shoes, but that’s it. What’s the problem?

Shou ,

Urinals are meant to be used standing. If you piss against the wall at an angle, it won’t mess up the place as much. I was talking about the porcelain throne.

Wahots ,
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

We had mixed gender bathrooms in highschool, and they were fantastic. Clean, proper bathrooms, not stalls, and the students were responsible for cleaning them + the school weekly, so nobody ever trashed them. (There were two half-hour cleaning sessions each week, with some supplimental janitor help to keep things running smoothly)

Danquebec ,

Are you saying you’ve seen stalls that did not have walls or doors?

AA5B ,

Yes. In which case I’ve always been able to turn around

Danquebec ,

Wow, that’s wild.

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