No chance, he’s tainted goods. Maybe with the right social media spin, after a LONG time, he could come back.
Really sucks, loved his acting. Just watched American Beauty the other night and was able to see the actor and not the sins. But still, tell me Spacey is in a new movie, and guess what’s top of mind?
It pays really well, all you need is your commercial driver’s license, you take a 3 month course that costs a couple grand and then it’s a cool 100k+ per year and usually if you can get a permanent position you get LOA
But yeah the reasons you listed are why it’s so high paying lol
It’s always struck me as one of the best jobs in construction (not too hard on the body), but also always seemed like something that you needed to have balls of steel for.
I could never do it. 20 story balconies are too high for me and I’ve got a solid building under me and 2 feet planted on something solid. Doesn’t help that so many movies have people falling of cranes
I’m still surprised how quickly this guy’s 30 year career imploded. He went from a household name to basically non-existent in the span of a week. Can’t say he didn’t bring it upon himself but it’s still surprising.
A LOT of celebrities are complete assholes. And everyone knows it. But nobody is going to say anything because it will just hurt them. Its why almost nobody bothers to bring up that Tom Cruise is a deranged cultist (linked to more than a few “disappearances”).
But when someone fucks up? EVERYONE comes out of the woodwork. Chevy Chase basically went from “he is one of the funniest people alive” to “We all would be a lot happier if he was dead” almost overnight. Bill Murray isn’t QUITE at that level, but all the “Ha ha ha, Bill was always so funny with how he would rib us” became “He is a dipshit who is hard to work with but I guess he is still funny”. And Jim Carey is always on the verge of that with most interviews about him being “Oh yeah. He is a real character. He was always so funny on set and never broke character and yeah. He is a card. Oh, but I love all the stupid bullshit he did because he is an artist. Please stop writing. STOP!!!”.
Or, just look at Jonathan Majors. He was THE it guy in hollywood and was well on his way to Denzel status. Then he got into an altercation with his girlfriend (I want to say he violently abused her in public, but I think the investigation of that has been “weird”). And pretty much INSTANTLY social media was full of other actors and production crews basically saying “I don’t know if he did THIS, but he is an abusive piece of shit with a long history of this and everyone hates working with him”.
And studios are generally okay with it because… it means they aren’t expected to pay the big bucks for the current it person. And, in the case of happy stories like Robert Downey Jr, it means they get an amazing actor/actress for dirt cheap during the inevitable comeback.
Ooh, another good example is Tom Hardy. He is notoriously an asshole and hard to work with, but he is a moderately good actor who is friends with a lot of REALLY good directors. The Fury Road stuff was particularly funny because basically EVERYONE was talking about what an asshole he was on set. And then Charlize Theron basically had to spin it as “oh, I hated working with him. But we were both being jerks so it really isn’t his fault and I have no hard feelings.” Because, for her “okay-good” acting, Charlize Theron has pretty much demonstrated herself to know how to work Hollywood over the past few decades and she knows who is winning if there is “beef” between her and Tom Hardy.
But if you are making the kind of movie that Tom Hardy would be great in? You are expected to at least try and budget him in because it will “help the film” so much.
I dunno. He certainly didn’t help his cause there when he released that creepy vague cringe vid he did about the accusations in his House of Cards character.
I think he was found not guilty. Anyone that continues to demonize him should probably step up with more information than came out at the trial before they open their mouths again and ruin a man’s career.
I’m not sure where the first witch hunt came from, but I’d lay it at the feet of social media platforms like Reddit causing an echo chamber that drove it.
The fact that he was abandoned by the studios and the people he worked with said more about them than it does about him.
Even the career is not important, whole life is ruined. Just imagine family and friends all ar least asking about it and some leaving you.
While I agree there should be severe and swift punishment for sexual offences, there should be some punishment for false accusations. I know that sometimes is just not prooved and sometimes it is in legally gray area, so not automatic, but if it can be prooven that someone was intentional lying - then there should be consequences.
While I agree there should be severe and swift punishment for sexual offences, there should be some punishment for false accusations. I know that sometimes is just not prooved and sometimes it is in legally gray area, so not automatic, but if it can be prooven that someone was intentional lying - then there should be consequences.
But we actually have pretty clearly defined legal systems for slander, libel and defamation?
Unfortunately, in most cases, there’s no real-world way to punish false accusation. The bar of proof for that sort of thing is, and should be, extraordinarily high. You pretty much have to have a confession.
Also, charging false accusers has a chilling effect on victims. Think how manipulative abusers are. “See what happened to that chick on the news? Go ahead, call the cops. You got nothin’ you dumb bitch, 'cept maybe a future in a concrete and steel cage. Here’s the phone, I’ll dial for you.”
While I agree there should be severe and swift punishment for sexual offences, there should be some punishment for false accusations.
What are you talking about? There are punishment for false accusations. But that of course has the very same legal requirements of proven beyong reasonable doubt as any other accusation.
And no, just because someone is not proven guilty doesn’t mean that the accusation is false. It literally just means that, the court couldn’t prove the accusation and so couldn’t punish the accused.
Calling it a social media witchunt is a bit trite. A number of people came forward, detailing a history that spanned years. His claims that they were motivated ‘by money’ and painting it as ‘aspiring actors’ when we’re talking a group that includes professionals with their own VERY well established careers also reeks of the rear end of the equine.
Yeah, let's not confuse "not guilty" with "not a creepy old man". The bar for the state taking away your rights based on your activity is fairly high -- as it should be -- but not being able to produce sufficient evidence of acts that don't leave a whole lot of physical evidence behind doesn't make the accusations false.
It just makes them not enough.
And, I'm sorry to everyone out there who seem weirdly motivated to want to believe that accusers are overwhelmingly liars, but his hand-waving away of the accusations was not confidence inspiring.
A verdict in a court of law is based on what is presented, not on what happened. This is what makes it possible for people to commit a crime, and get away with it (or get framed for something that they didn’t do).
This is a question that I do not want you to answer here, but one to ponder:
If your son/nephew/younger was up for a part in a project that was directed by, and starring Kevin Spacey? What weight would you assign to that Not Guilty due to insufficient evidence verdict?
“Where does the judge say that evidence was insufficient for a verdict? I missed that part.”
The primary cause of your confusion is your insistence on missing the point.
“Also, are we going to start questioning every verdict as if any accusation was true, even when proved differently in court?”
Again, missing the point. Who is talking about every verdict, besides yourself? This is Kevin Spacey specific.
Do you believe that not getting convicted means that the accused did not do the thing that they are accused of?
Is it your personal belief that Kevin Spacey is completely harmless with respect to sexual predation? Does your confidence extend far enough that you would have no qualms about a young male relative of yours work on a movie with Kevin Spacey?
Reading you comment I searched for the differences between being “not guilty” and being “innocent” and boy I didn’t know enough about the US justice system. I thought a “not guilty” verdict was the same as “the guy didn’t do it”. I stand corrected, though. Thanks for your input.
That just sounds like free advertising. No one would actually connect the Sunoco name to a forest fire…but Sunoco would get their company name repeated millions of times per day on web and TV network traffic free of charge. No thanks.
Trust me, calling a Hurricane season the BP Hurricane Season is not free advertising. A bunch of red hat-wearing cultists will love it, but the vast majority of the planet will understand the premise. And it will tick away at their dominance.
Or we can just carry on and let them open up public lands to drill baby drill whilst we watch average global temps rise.
I don’t care about $8, but freedom of movement should be a more respected human right (in both/all directions). Anything that rejects entry for reasons other than actual imminent concern for the safety of citizens is bad.
Never really considered the political climate of Cambodia but can’t imagine it’s too healthy if this is happening.
Maybe we should make a bigger deal about the 5 good emperors of Rome, try to get people in de facto patrilineal succession to appoint good rulers to succeed them instead of their kids.
Just a reminder that warm waters in the Gulf of Mexico and Southern Atlantic = hurricane fuel. We are lucky El Niño is causing some wind shear in the upper atmosphere to break up the storms… so far. I recommend looking it up if you’re interested. Hurricane season has the potential to be devastating this year if the El Niño cycle weakens.
There is a reason republicans are speed running Gilead over there. They need the short term “clout” to get cushy positions out of state before it is completely wiped out.
We can see something similar in texas but people generally understand that texas is a fundamentally broken state. Whereas florida has “woke Disney” keeping them afloat and is a tourism hub that people will visit in spite of being terrified as to what happens if they need health care or want to read a book on their trip.
I can’t conceive of being a police officer, “accidentally” parking someone on a train track, by some miracle not getting them killed, and then thinking to myself that I should continue to be a police officer.
In the USA your identity, finances, and insurance are tied to your job.
He’s likely got financial obligations and is stuck in that job. Police are paid pretty well. They have to be to convince any same person to take that shit job.
If you offered all cops a job with the same wage and benefits I bet over half would take it.
I doubt over half would take it. Some like the idea of helping communities whereas the motivation of others is simply being in a position of power. It’s not hard to think which way the abusive ones would lean.
I can’t help but think of Adachi in Persona 4 going “I only became a cop so I could carry a gun. You’d be surprised how many police officers are the same way.”
Except you don’t need to be a cop to carry a gun in the US…
Bulgaria, Cyprus, and Romania are still not on the US Visa Waiver Program list, despite being EU members. So there is still no full reciprocity between the EU and US on visa-free access.
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