A glib reply would be “What’s the worst that could happen?, they’d die?” but a far worse outcome is that they remain conscious but in constant pain for an unnecessarily long time. I’m personally against execution of any form but if it’s going to be done let’s make sure it’s humane.
well what you describe is how Normal executions go. Doctors won’t do it so it’s done by prison guards with no medical training and is often so disgusting the witnesses need counseling
It’s different than you might imagine. There’s a certain unmistakable mix of institutional power, mandate, callousness, and incompetence that makes state execution’s uniquely awful.
But if I were to pick my way of dying, nitrogen hypoxia is the way I would like to go
Nitrogen is the most common thing you breath, almost 80% of air being nitrogen.
You don’t feel like you are being choked, because that feeling does not come from less oxygen, but when other gasses like carbon dioxide is at a too high level. Foreign liquid, or even being unable to expand your lungs. There is no too low oxygen sensor in your body that is used to send pain signals.
You gradually lose your cognitive faculties, including feeling pain or self preservation.
I am against captial or even corporal punishment, even for heinous crimes.
If you are thinking about ending your life, seek help with health care professionals, everyone deserves a chance to have a better life.
All that said, I think nitrogen hypoxia is the most humane way of ending a life. I would even wish that my chicken nuggets got the least painful end to their lives
My position: no government should be given the power to kill its citizens under any other circumstances than to protect other people from imminent violence, i.e. the same circumstances that would qualify as self-defence by a private individual.
For the sake of argument: if you really wanted a painless and humane death what could be better than a carefully modulated dose of opioids?
I’m guessing the answer is if they get high on the way out then it isn’t justice because only fear and suffering will assuage those with a vengeance boner.
No, it’s because opioids aren’t 100% effective at a painless death either. At this stage, no death we know of is truly “painless”. Well, that we can prove anyway. They’ve had patients hooked to brain monitors when they’ve died in their sleep, the brain goes through severe stress at the moment of death. Drowning is meant to be okay, but for obvious reasons, we can’t prove that.
Waterboarding isn’t drowning. It’s like mega drowning. Here’s one of many studies done on drowning that shows many people found it kind of calm as they neared death.
I live within walking distance of a beach, I swim.in the ocean plenty. Got any more dumb insults, or are you actually going to surprise me and attempt to prove your point?
I live in florida. the news is littered with drowning victims from ocean journeys or cruise ships. you living within walking distance of the ocean. wow. im not sure what you expected from me about that…take a swim, in the ocean. and keep swimming till the shore vanishes. then tell me how calm you get.
you really live a naive life if you think drowning is calm.
listen to yourself. ‘waiting till i prove a point’ …dude what ant hill are you defending by saying drowning isn’t anything less than violent? you wont impress your father, mother, loved ones by making this debate known to them. Drowning is not calm.
Then it should be easy to prove it. I have literally provided evidence. You haven’t. Stop trying to belittle me and prove your point. Cos I’m starting to think you can’t.
you poor thing. :( you have my pity please , at least don’t tell others what you think. if you get someone killed from drowning would you even feel remorse? you keep reading your articles instead of watching real people drown in life, or on tape. you know where to find those videos. or are you not capable? you are …and you know better. have a wonderful. and hopefully long life. but again. when you drown, remember “this is calm , this is calm.”
Don’t waste your time trying to patronise me, use that time to find evidence to support your claim. And maybe pick up a book, you’re syntax is extremely hard to parse.
I’ve literally provided evidence that it’s calm. This isn’t me just making something up, unlike you. Provide proof of your claim like I have. That’s all I’m asking. Your refusal is indicative as to how poor critical thinking is in the general public. No wonder the world is imploding.
People commit suicide by drowning all the time. I can prove that too. Which is more than you’ve done here. Seriously, it’s not a hard problem. You should have mountains of proof to counter me. Yet you haven’t.
This isn’t a belief I hold. This is a fact supported by science. What you hold is an opinion not backed by science. You have provided 0 evidence to support your claim. Support your claim.
Republican politicians love accusing Democrats of doing what they’re doing, so that when you call them out on their hypocrisy, they’ll say “it’s both sides”.
Reading about her, I can’t help but think that she is just some random person with strong political opinions who tries to look fair (in her own mind), but has absolutely no law experience.
I mean, I know she doesn’t have much judicial experience and even had very little as a lawyer, but it feels like she has none whatsoever. As if she purchased her diploma on the internet.
TFW you live through one of the most prosperous times in the most prosperous nation in the world (a time when you could go to college, buy a house, and have a family on a job that anyone could apply to) and you STILL end up poor. Talk about dumb.
It’s because as conditions changed, they never lost that mentality.
My boomer parents make twice the food they need to eat for dinner every single time and then just throw out or freeze and forget the leftovers, they could literally cut their food budgets in half just by being more reasonable with their portion sizes.
They have coffee at home and a nice coffeemaker, they go out for coffee almost every day driving a round trip of ~50km for the exact same brand of coffee they have at home, and when I mentioned this to them the last time they were having financial problems they said something to the effect of “oh well it’s only a few dollars each” not even understanding that the gas they use and the wear they put on their vehicles is part of it too, and maybe it only costs a few dollars (plus gas etc) that when you do it every day it adds up.
It’s literally the same as talking to my preteen nieces and nephews, they just have no concept of the value of a dollar, and are completely unwilling to change a single aspect of their lives to save money, and then get confused as to how they keep running out of money before the end of the month. I know that sooner or later I am going to have to take them in, or put them in a home, because they can’t even manage their own finances and get angry and defensive any time I try to make suggestions to help them.
I still remember being really frustrated with an ex’s teenage brother and his inability to save money. It was like only the short term existed, and somehow inexplicably the short term always kind of sucked.
At least he was a teenager. A lot of adults never advance
I agree with what you said, but until your household jointly makes 75k+, it’s really hard to save money when just existing eats up most of your expenses. I felt like I could breathe at 75k when my wife wasn’t working, 100k was when I could cover all bills and still have enough to save up a bit of money. That’s with my being lucky in that I bought my house 5 years ago and my mortgage is only like $900/mo…(modest 2br home in not a great neighborhood ) total monthly bills ends up being about $3k(including groceries, gas, utilities, car insurance and car payment being about $600 for both cars) Wife started working again so with her 50k and my 100k I can finally have financial goals instead of thinking about just surviving. Rent in my city starts at $1500 and I have no idea how normal people are getting by.
One of the worst things about being poor is that it becomes a mentality. If you have spare money after your bills are paid, you get used to it disappearing by life’s circumstances such as an issue with your car, so people have the mentality of “I need to spend it before it gets spent on something else.” That’s why when people do their taxes and get money back for child tax credits and stuff and suddenly they go from a couple dollars in the account to $3000-$5000+ they go out and buy sofas or nice televisions.
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