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MicroWave OP , in The charges facing Trump in the Jan. 6 investigation, explained
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For some relevant info from the article, here’s a summary of the charges Trump is facing in Washington, D.C., for attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election:

  • one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States applies to Trump’s repeated and widespread efforts to spread false claims about the November 2020 election while knowing they were not true and for allegedly attempting to illegally discount legitimate votes all with the goal of overturning the 2020 election, prosecutors claim in the indictment.
  • one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding was brought due to the alleged organized planning by Trump and his allies to disrupt the electoral vote’s certification in January 2021.
  • one count of obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding is tied to Trump and his co-defendants’ alleged efforts after the November 2020 election until Jan. 7, 2021, to block the official certification proceeding in Congress.
  • one count of conspiracy against rights refers to Trump and his co-conspirators alleged attempts to “oppress, threaten and intimidate” people in their right to vote in an election.

The charge of “conspiracy against rights” goes back to the Civil War era.

It was passed after the Civil War as a way to stop members of the Ku Klux Klan and other similar organizations from intimidating, harassing and outright terrorizing Black voters especially in the South.

MicroWave OP , in Recreational weed is now legal in Minnesota: What to know
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What’s legal

Adults 21 and older can possess and travel in the state with 2 ounces of cannabis flower, 8 grams of concentrate and 800 milligrams worth of THC-containing edible products such as gummies and seltzers. They can have up to 2 pounds of cannabis flower at home.

Low-potency edibles made with THC from industrial hemp were legalized last year. They’ve been subject to a 10% marijuana tax since July 1. That tax will apply to other marijuana products as they become licensed for sales, but not on sovereign tribal lands.

acockworkorange ,

800 mg? That’s like half a gummy.

GorgeousDumpsterFire ,

800mg of THC is a massive dose lmao

most gummies have like 5mg - 15mg of THC per dose

spammedevito ,

Lol, I can barely handle 2.5mg and I chortled at the thought of that person taking 800mg.

jballs ,
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Seriously, could you imagine? You’d be on the fucking moon.

speaker_hat ,

Time to rethink about being an astronaut

jballs ,
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No need for a PhD from a prestigious university, a lengthy career in the Air Force piloting highly dangerous experimental airplanes, followed by many years of training to become the best of the best and make it as an astronaut. You can just walk into your local dispensary, buy $160 worth of edibles (not forgetting to tip your budtender, of course), chow down on a metric shit load of gummies, and be on the moon in no time!*

*warningthisstatmentisnotanendorsementorrecommentdation.eating800mgofthcwillverylikelyfuckyouupandmakeyouthinkyourethelizardking.mayresultindeathandordiarrhoea.

PRUSSIA_x86 ,

I accidentally took 500 once and had a friggin out-of-soul experience. Shit was wild and absolutely terrifying.

LetMeEatCake ,

That’s the weight of the THC dose, not the total weight of the whole product containing the dose.

acockworkorange ,

Well, it’s not written that way.

800 milligrams worth of THC-containing edible products

That’s different from “800 mg of THC in edible products”. You can have 800 mg of THC in 100 g of THC-containing edibles. The way it’s written in the law matters a lot. If it’s written like above, edibles are basically illegal.

stankmut ,

I think that is just how the article described it.

The actual bill says:

…possess or transport edible cannabis products or lower-potency hemp edibles infused with a combined total of 800 milligrams or less of tetrahydrocannabinol

acockworkorange ,

That’s much clearer. Thanks for digging the actual bill.

CmdrShepard ,

Your point is further bolstered by the fact that many departments weigh the entire product when charging people with possession. Your 1lb tub of bud butter may only contain 1g of THC but they’re going to charge you with possession of 1lb of concentrates.

donuts ,
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That's like 8 whole packs of gummies. If you eat 800mg you're about to send yourself to the shadow realm.

Edit: oh wait...

800 milligrams worth of THC-containing edible products

That is very weirdly worded. If we're talking about the weight of the product and not the dose then that's really stupid.

stankmut ,

The article just described the law wrong. It does use the dose of THC in the actual law.

acockworkorange ,

That was my point. Thankfully the bill was better written than the article.

kbotc ,

I’m just picturing all the stories of people “accidentally” eating an entire 100 mg chocolate bar after being unable to wait an hour for it to kick in, and then imagine those schmucks taking 8x that dose.

bufordt ,
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How many grams of concentrate can you have at home? Seems weird that the limit would be 8g walking around and in your house.

TransplantedSconie , in Recreational weed is now legal in Minnesota: What to know

“have up to 2 lbs of flower at home”

Minnesota should rightfully take New Hampshire’s Live Free or Die motto. What a joke. It should be:

Live Free Except for a Plant We Purposely Labeled a Schedule One Drug Because of Black People, Latinos, and an Ancient White Guy Who Was Scared that His Paper Mills Would be Worthless with the Invention of a Faster Hemp Cultivator.

HubertManne , in Recreational weed is now legal in Minnesota: What to know

Hey! Your stealing our illinois tax revenue. Man its a good thing we got the border states that we do. Stop those dummcrats wis, ind, iowa, misura, tennese, arkansaw or this horrible nightmare will happen to you!!!!

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  • danojo ,

    I think he forgot the /s

    HubertManne ,

    boy if I ever thought I did not need it. Im sorta jelly though as they are mostly about grow whereas illinois is all about tax and does not allow grow.

    Psythik ,

    Dude, can you please use proper punctuation and grammar? Your comments are difficult to understand.

    TheDudeV2 , in Trump was just indicted for trying to steal the 2020 election

    I just finished reading every last word of the indictment. Interesting read. Trump and several of his co-conspirators are absolutely fucked (IMHO; I’m no lawyer).

    When I got to the end of the document I noticed a particularly poetic coincidence: “45”. As in, forty-five pages. President Forty-Five, the worst president this country has ever seen, and the first nail in his treasonous and metaphorical coffin ends with a sort of signature from the Defendent himself… 45.

    ajoebyanyothername ,

    Was the 45 written in sharpie?

    cedarmesa , (edited )
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    💀

    TheDudeV2 ,
    TenderfootGungi , in Authorities Raid Unlicensed Lab Full of Infectious Diseases

    Whose lab, and why? They do not come cheap.

    HawlSera , in Trump was just indicted for trying to steal the 2020 election

    Maybe this country isn’t so lost afterall. Maybe there is still time to turn it around.

    foggy ,

    Googles wildfire map

    Sigh

    objectionist , in Trump was just indicted for trying to steal the 2020 election
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    heheheh, projection projection projection.

    jeffw OP ,
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    What do you mean by this? Like the “lock her up” thing was projecting?

    objectionist ,
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    his constant complaining about the election being stolen was what i meant about projection, but i guess that other thing works too lol

    sylver_dragon , in Oklahoma parents, faith leaders and education group sue to stop US’s first public religious school

    Time for The Satanic Temple to open Satan’s Elementary School and apply for charter funding.

    FlashMobOfOne ,
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    This is how you kill it. I hope the TST does just that.

    Gork ,

    Or even just getting them to squabble over which Christian denomination the school will follow. Baptist? Mormons? A specific protestant denomination? Or maybe even the gasp Catholics who are swayed by the Pope! Get them to internecine fight over their flavor of God to follow and it’ll break apart in no time.

    Hellsadvocate ,

    It won’t be killed. We’ve already seen them allow bibles in schools while denying every book conservatists don’t want. It’s a double standard that’s not being enforced in the federal court level. And if you think the supreme court will block that then good luck.

    BertramDitore ,
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    Yeah, this is what’s so frustrating. The Supreme Court has been pretty clear that it will only rule in favor of religious freedom for Christians. Access to abortion is critical for Jews and Muslims for example, but that doesn’t stop them from subjecting all of us to the extreme Christian belief on the matter. They’ve even gone as far as to say that the beliefs of reform or moderate Jews don’t count as Jewish beliefs because only the orthodox count (someone smarter than me can find the SCOTUS opinion that says this, it’s real). So yeah, religious freedom for Christians, no one else.

    doppelgangmember ,

    We should all be joining The Satanic Temple at this point.

    fight fire with fire

    fadingembers ,
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    Don’t worry, they’ll just make an exception that only christian public schools are allowed just like they made exceptions for cis children to get gender affirming care and surgeries in their blatantly unconstitutional/genocidal trans care bans

    FlashMobOfOne ,
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    I mean, they’ll try.

    Arkansas tried that but TST still got their Baphomet statue.

    Tired8281 ,

    I’d send my kid to Lucifer P. Satan Memorial Elementary.

    whoisearth , in Family died in Rockies after trying to live ‘off the grid,’ official says
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    So sad but at the same time LOfuckingL are people dumb!

    SharkEatingBreakfast ,
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    They had a 14-year old kid with them. That poor kid didn’t deserve to have been led to his death because of the adults he had no choice but to depend on.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    Are you more angry at the people trying to escape the crazy system than you are at the system that drove them out?

    sphericth0r ,

    Yes, a senseless death due to Ill preparation

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    How would they prepare for economic collapse and the rise of fascism? They took a risk, but they might have just accelerated the inevitable.

    JungleJim , (edited )

    They didn’t take a risk. Taking a risk means preparing for situations and dealing with them as they come up, and what happens happens. This lady prepared nothing. This is more like resting in the shade of the anvil suspended by twine in a Bugs Bunny cartoon. She walked out into the woods to die and just didn’t know it. It’s an awful story, she obviously didn’t feel she had options, but a little bit of reading or video would show a person very quickly that they needed more preparation than the deceased put in to have any hope it surviving an alpine winter.

    Edit: grammar

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    Leaving or not leaving your bed is a risk. Preparation has nothing to do with it. They obviously weren’t prepared for living in late-stage capitalism either. You’re falling victim to the just-world fallacy.

    Chozo ,

    Nobody drove them out. This was a decision she made on her own accord and by her own free will.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    Her free will to run away from a system she perceived as a threat. Are you saying that you’ve been totally comfortable the last 4 years and never once considered the collapse of the system being a threat to your loved ones?

    InverseParallax ,

    I think there are a lot of threats in the world, I think climate change might also be a threat.

    I don’t stake myself out in the antarctic in response.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    Your response might be better than theirs, but you could be on the chopping block tomorrow as well. You’re still blaming the oppressed for the conditions set by their oppressors.

    Chozo ,

    You're gonna need to identify these oppressors if you want anybody to humor this ridiculous argument.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    They’re directing action at the top of every hierarchy enforced by violence. If you stop playing stupid you can figure it out for yourself. Many of them are on TV daily advocating for genocide or explaining why kids should starve with a grandfatherly smile. Talk about fucking ridiculous. We can’t have a conversation if you deny reality.

    Chozo ,

    You still need to define these people. Who are "they" in this statement?

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    No, I don’t. You need to define “they” for yourself before you spend the rest of your life defending your oppressors. All I need to do is hit the mute button.

    Chozo ,

    No, that's not how it works, my guy. You're the one making a claim that somebody else forced this upon them, the burden of proof is on you. I'm not gonna build your own argument for you.

    All this snide little "you know who" shit has me feeling like you're about two comments away from somehow blaming this on Jews or something.

    Chozo ,

    Are you saying that you’ve been totally comfortable the last 4 years and never once considered the collapse of the system being a threat to your loved ones?

    Of course I'm not saying that. But I never once thought to myself "Know what would make this situation better? Starving myself and my family in the cold wilderness that none of us are prepared to endure."

    That thought was something she considered and acted upon. It's not your fault for having such thoughts, but acting on them is always your fault. Nobody told her "You need to take your family into the mountains, or else". She did that to herself.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    Ah, so you’re projecting your insecurity on them by taking satisfaction in the idea that their way of coping with the collapse of the system got them killed, so you’re obviously more in control. If you get cancer from corporate pollution and poor food quality, there’s nothing you could have done. If you get hit by a car, it’s luck of the draw. If a Republican president outlaws your way of life, that’s just the way it is. But since they’re dead, they were obviously at fault.

    Chozo ,

    Where did I say any of that?

    Ironic accusing me of projecting, though.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    “Know what would make this situation better? Starving myself and my family in the cold wilderness that none of us are prepared to endure.” Your strawman arguments know your motivations better than you do.

    nefarious ,

    Yes, because they died in an incredibly predictable way by going out unprepared and they brought a kid to die with them.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    They thought they were going to be killed by capitalism in decline.

    InverseParallax ,

    Because they were idiots who didn’t realize how they would definitely die in nature without society to protect them.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    Many people die in society as a direct result of the way society is. Are they also idiots, or are you the idiot for judging them?

    InverseParallax ,

    Everybody dies in nature.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    Not true. There are homeless people and homesteaders living in nature all around the globe. If you put most of them in downtown LA, many of them would likely die in a matter of days or weeks. People can acclimate to extreme circumstances if they are given a chance to learn.

    CeruleanRuin ,
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    They thought wrong, obviously.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    They likely would have died in society as well, from poverty, cancer, addiction, or suicide. They were drowning in one world so they sought refuge in another. There was no happy ending in wait.

    nuke ,

    They likely would have died in society as well, from poverty, cancer, addiction, or suicide

    Lol great rational for killing your kid. They could possibly, maybe, die anyway so better just get it over with right? She was an idiot and her stupidity lead to the death of an innocent child.

    CeruleanRuin ,
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    You seem very eager to justify this tragedy as if it was inevitable, and not the result of very avoidable choices. Are you okay?

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    That’s your strawman argument, not related to anything I’ve said.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Is it a contest? Can’t you be angry at both the system and people endangering their children and that is enough?

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    Do you get mad at rabbits that run away from dogs and into the line of fire of the hunter?

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Humans are not rabbits. What a terrible analogy. I get mad at any human that intentionally endangers their child. I don’t know why you don’t object to child abuse.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    If you can’t understand the metaphor for what it is, then you’re below the threshold for understanding how a person living under a constant threat of starvation and death might make poor decisions. I think we’re done here. Don’t bother me again.

    ChaoticEntropy ,
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    You could at least pretend not to be insufferable.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    Can you?

    ChaoticEntropy ,
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    Every god damn day. “Nu uh, you” seems very on brand though.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    Is this you being less insufferable?

    ChaoticEntropy ,
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    I appreciate the attempt.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    Personal attacks deserve an equally mature response.

    Pratai ,

    There is no “system” that drove them out. This was a choice they made. A bad one.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    That’s just plain ignorant.

    Pratai ,

    I’d love an explanation if you don’t mind.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    There’s no “system.”

    Me: Gestures to everything.

    Pratai ,

    …. That drove them out. You left that part out.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    Oh, sure. There’s absolutely no reason for anybody to be dissatisfied by the current system. Everything is pretty much perfect!

    Pratai ,

    You just love manufacturing arguments, don’t you?

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    Says the guy who’s trying to argue that there’s no global system that disenfranchises people.

    Pratai ,

    Again, I never said there’s no system that disenfranchises people. You realize you’re saying this in response to me accusing you of manufacturing arguments out of nothing.

    What I said was, they were not forced by “the system” to do anything. Any more than you have been. Or do you live in the woods currently?

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    Who used the word “force?” The system is coercive and entropic. Work where you’re allowed until you die. You get paid what you are allotted. Your value is based on your job and your ability to earn. If you’re a woman or a minority, you’re second class. Police budgets grow and enforcement becomes more violent every year. Politicians and CEOs are working together to exploit your labor until you die early from chronic disease.

    I didn’t think I had to break it down as if I was explaining to a child, but here we are. Now pretend like you don’t understand why she ran.

    Pratai ,

    Okay, you’re clearly not smart enough to have this discuss with and I feel that continuing it any further would be taking advantage of you.

    Enjoy your day. I hope you get better.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    Yeah, I’m the dunce here. Dunning-Kruger Club, represent.

    Pratai ,

    Good. Admitting you have a problem is half the battle. There’s hope.

    InverseParallax ,

    The same system that provides antibiotics? Have you ever grown food? It’s a lot harder than buying it at the store, even when you include the time spent working at a minimum wage job.

    Nature is brutal and unforgiving, these idiots did not begin to respect it.

    They could never have survived without society to care for them, the proof is that they didn’t.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    The system that provides soap, food, internet, cops, homelessness, poverty, fentanyl, prisons, slavery, inequality, racism, sex discrimination, poor education, and horrendous working conditions.

    They were ignorant about nature the same way you seem to be ignorant about society. Both of you risk your lives on a daily basis dealing with SYSTEMS you don’t understand.

    It’s just the luck of the draw that you can sit there in high judgement and talk mad shit.

    InverseParallax ,

    Nature provides less, most of us probably wouldn’t make it through childhood.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    Not true at all. There are abundant resources in nature, but most people lack the knowledge to make use of them.

    md5crypto ,

    Such a victim.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    You make foolish assumptions. I’m a homeowner, a veteran, and a registered nurse. I recognize suffering because I devote every day to helping sufferers. One doesn’t need to be a victim to have empathy.

    CeruleanRuin ,
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    The adult who dragged a kid along was trying to create her own system, which undeniably isolated him, subjected him to suffering, and killed him, so yeah I’m angry at that on his behalf.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    She was afraid, ignorant, and uneducated. How do you think she got that way?

    TheKingBee ,
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    Well she’s from Colorado springs so I’m going to guess a steady diet of conservative propaganda…

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    Loss of community, loss of meaningful labor, American healthcare, probably underpaid, socially outcast, etc… Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

    nuke ,

    Where are you getting all this information about these hardships she faced? It’s certainly not in the article, so are you just making shit up?

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    What reality do you live in where you don’t face the same hardships? Maybe your struggles aren’t as extreme, but those threats are always lying in wait to ruin your happy little life.

    nuke ,

    So no source then, just making shit up.

    TrismegistusMx ,
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    Oh, you’re right! She must have abandoned her life to live in the woods because she was bored of her upper middle class existence! Fucking dolt.

    nuke ,

    Don’t be mad at me because you can’t source your bullshit

    Tangent5280 ,

    She got that way because you personally didn’t teach her a better way of living. You’re personally responsible for these deaths, including that of the child.

    Why, why would you do this, @TrismegistusMx? Why? Why?

    whataboutshutup ,

    Oh my, finally a subinstance drama 🍿

    Mikey_donuts , in Authorities Raid Unlicensed Lab Full of Infectious Diseases

    Not terrifying at all

    FlyingSquid , in Twitter neighbours complain of lit-up ‘X’ sign working at high intensity
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    All Elon has to do is… nothing. He doesn’t have to come up with ‘hilarious’ tweets, he doesn’t have to make an everything app, he doesn’t need to run any of his companies. He could retire right now and just do whatever he felt like in his private life.

    But he’s such a needy little attention whore that he won’t do that.

    ChaoticNeutralCzech ,

    If he does not want to be in charge of a non-profitable company, why bring the responsibility upon himself? Oh yes, because Tesla is involved in scandals and any investment is better than that.

    BurtReynoldsMustache ,

    You’re saying all that as if he couldn’t have done the very same thing like 25 years ago back in the 90s. Technically, he never had to become an “entrepreneur” in the first place… daddy’s apartheid emerald mine gave him a cushy little trust fund to live off for the rest of his life without anyone ever knowing anything about him. But sadly, he’s a spoiled little bitch who throws a tantrum when the media spotlight is off him for longer than 5 minutes.

    AngrilyEatingMuffins , in An armed man tried walking into a Jewish school in Memphis and opened fire outside when he couldn’t get in, police say

    I’m so sick of seeing the Nazi nutcase violence problem framed as a way to take away the guns I have because of the Nazi nutcase violence problem.

    Can we fucking deal with the actual issue with mass shooters? It’s not guns. It’s not mental health. It’s fucking Nazis.

    SheeEttin ,

    I don’t think this one was a Nazi.

    blazera ,
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    Its guns

    Ashyr ,

    Dude, there are other countries with fascists and they don’t have mass shootings the way we do. The only honest answer is guns.

    realcaseyrollins ,

    Wait haven't I heard fascists say "give me all your guns before"?

    Ashyr ,
    realcaseyrollins ,

    The fact that the narrative has to be defended with a Wikipedia article says it all

    AngrilyEatingMuffins ,

    They use bombs and knives instead!

    Or ask Norway if they use guns, too.

    Defensive gun uses outnumber illegal gun uses. I should get shot? Wait for the police to never arrive because of my neighborhood? Wait for them to shoot me because they got confused and get a medal for it?

    Y’all are really good (bad) at pointing out the problem but your solution always ends up being, “send armed goons into people’s houses to make sure they got rid of their property we don’t like.”

    You know how many countries have a fuck load of guns and like almost no fascist death brigades? Fucking most of them. The fact that we have 1.1 guns instead of .6 per person does not, in fact, explain gun violence when the exact same percentage of the country owns guns.

    Ashyr ,

    There can be more than one problem with our nation at a time.

    We have a gun problem, but we also have a fascist problem. There a different solutions to both, neither of which have to be as hyperbolic as you claim.

    I’m a gun owner myself. I got my first gun when I was 13 and was taught how to properly care for it and use it.

    I enjoy shooting guns as a hobby. I have taken dozens of friends shooting over the years and taught them how to properly enjoy firearms.

    But we as a nation have a gun problem.

    The solution isn’t some wild, absolute ban in all guns. There are plenty of simple, common sense solutions that can move us into a healthier place. There are plenty of loopholes that can be closed, better, mandatory background checks, removing weapons from those who commit domestic violence, cooling off periods, mandatory gun safes, etc…

    I have seen so many wildly irresponsible gun owners on ranges and private property. I’ve seen people walk onto live ranges, loaded weapons pointed at other people, I’ve nearly been shot myself by a dumb kid with a .22.

    When I say we have a gun problem, I don’t want to just strip everyone’s guns away. I want to look at the real problems and work to ensure that the easiest flaws are dealt with.

    If gun safes were mandatory, it could save countless children who die playing with their parents firearms. If domestic abusers had to surrender firearms, countless partners and spouses would still be alive today.

    Don’t want to lose your guns? Don’t beat your wife. It’s not complicated. I don’t trust someone who casually employs violence against loved ones to responsibly use a firearm.

    Mandatory education to even use a firearm, just like a concealed carry, would go a long way to help out. We license people to drive cars, why can’t we expect at least that same, bare minimum for guns? CDs

    blazera ,
    @blazera@kbin.social avatar

    no, you think they use knives instead because homicides are so much rarer there that knife attacks are much bigger news. The US has more knife violence than those countries too.

    Think for a second how defensive gun use could possibly outnumber offensive use. What are they defending against if there isn't also offensive gun use? You pulled this stat completely out of thin air like all your opinions on guns.

    Youve never heard anyone suggest to send in armed goons to get rid of property.

    There's only one country with a fuck load of guns, the US, and it has a ton of police homicides.

    EddoWagt ,

    “It’s not guns” Says the only country where this regularly happens

    AngrilyEatingMuffins ,

    “However, of the 86 countries where mass public shootings have been identified, the US ranks 56th per capita in its rate of attacks and 61st in mass public shooting murder rate”

    Tangent5280 ,

    Bruh where are these other 55 countries? Literal war zones in Africa?

    I wonder whether the economic and human development indices were considered in this ranking, and which other first world countries were on that list, considering US is one of, if not, the most powerful country economically, and in the HDI.

    5714 ,
    Tmiwi ,

    “Over the 18 years from 1998 to 2015, our list contains 2,354 attacks and at least 4,880 shooters outside the United States and 53 attacks and 57 shooters within our country. By our count, the US makes up less than 1.15% of the mass public shooters, 1.49% of their murders, and 2.20% of their attacks. All these are much less than the US’s 4.6% share of the world population. Attacks in the US are not only less frequent than other countries, but they are also much less deadly on average.”

    snooggums ,
    @snooggums@kbin.social avatar

    Doesn't the US have like a mass shooting each day now?

    realcaseyrollins ,

    Good point. North Korea doesn't have mass shootings, we should be more like them.

    Gamey ,

    Not sure if this is a good idea but as a european I found this American debate to be one of the most ideological and shocking from both sides. Of course guns alone don’t cause that, Swizerland and Finnland have tons of them in private hands but they have some kind of social system. It’s all of your insanity, from the mental health over total poverty to fucking easy access to really fucking dangerous guns, there is no easy answer because none of this is good and all of it causes violance!

    Tangent5280 ,

    Also Switzerland and Finland have strict control over ammunition, and also have compulsary military service to instill the discipline required to handle and use guns responsibly, unlike the US where you get a discount if you have a mental disorder diagnosis (exaggeration).

    Also, socialised healthcare and mental health services.

    Also, lesser paranoia and fear of law enforcement.

    snooggums ,
    @snooggums@kbin.social avatar

    ...military service to instill the discipline required to handle and use guns responsibly...

    What, like some kind of well regulated militia?

    Gamey ,

    Yep, it’s a unholy coctail that causes the situation in the US and more dangerous weapons can definitely make it worse but blaiming guns for everything won’t solve the issue ether! :/

    lingh0e ,

    No one is blaming guns for “everything”, but holy christ you can’t acknowledge that there’s a massive mental health issue in America without maybe thinking that it shouldn’t be so fucking easy for those mentally unstable people to get guns.

    The answer isn’t easy, but it surely isn’t more guns.

    Gamey ,

    Totally, it just often seems forgotten in the disgustions. (at least to me as a outsider)

    bustrpoindextr ,

    So what? Add another question to the background check “are you a Nazi?” because the “are you a terrorist?” question should already take care of that one, so it seems to be working really well.

    What about how I can just gift a gun to a family member? Or maybe how no one has followed up on me since I’ve purchased a gun, maybe I’m a crackpot now. People change.

    Responsible gun ownership is impossible to enforce, sure my shit is locked up in a safe, but no one knows that and it isn’t required. No one comes around to check that it is safely secured, no one comes around to check that I haven’t fallen down a QAnon conspiracy rabbit hole, no one comes around to check that I’m mentally sound and don’t have any anger problems.

    Ammo sales aren’t tracked either, so sure I have a reasonable amount of ammo but I could have enough to cause serious problems as no one would know.

    So really this comes down to two solutions right? Take away guns, or spend a fuck ton of money to regulate sales, registration, send therapists to people’s homes to evaluate their mental health periodically, track ammo sales, install biometrics on guns so that only the owner can fire it and as evidence of when the gun goes off who must have shot, install trackers and sensors on gun safes to feed information back to the government to know how often a gun is safely locked away and when it’s not where it is… Etc honestly.

    And again, I’m a gun owner.

    Buelldozer ,
    @Buelldozer@lemmy.world avatar

    Ammo sales aren’t tracked either…

    They are in California, have been since 2019.

    bustrpoindextr ,

    Cool, one state. Certainly not federally, which just means you can go to another state and have it not tracked. It’s certainly not tracked in SC where I live, sure that’s across the country but pick a border state of California and have it not be a tracked sale. We’re back to the problem.

    NJSpradlin ,

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  • Buelldozer ,
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    …who is also in the armed forces.

    Take your “As a Veteran…” argument and cram it. I’ve seen more ignorant POGs running that line to get internet credit than I care to remember. Your opinion carries no more weight than anyone else’s and that most definitely includes regular civilians.

    NJSpradlin ,

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  • Buelldozer ,
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    If you didn’t want to be insulted you shouldn’t have been insulting…Sir. Interfacing with the public should have been covered somewhere in your ROTC program.

    lingh0e ,

    A nazi without a gun is just another shitheel racist loudmouth WITHOUT A GUN.

    Fuck off with your goofball shit.

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    Elderos ,

    That is sorta what he’s doing right now. He’s suing to terminate the agreement because they won’t do it correctly. I mean, I get what you’re saying, he isn’t the one executing the project, but I can’t blame him for suing at this point, and for trying I guess.

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