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agitatedpotato ,

I mean, it’s not like there aren’t large communities of Asian immigrants all over the world. In most countries, and definitely the English speaking ones, I almost guarantee your country celebrates it somewhere. Beyond all the other problems with this, it erases the experiences of Asian immigrants, I live in the US and I know for a fact there’s going to be tons of celebrations here for it organized by people whose cultures it is.

Varyk OP ,

Happy New Year!

agitatedpotato ,

Happy New Year to you too!

Gabu ,

Nearly 2% of all Japanese people live in Brazil, for instance, so yeah.

MufinMcFlufin ,

The Chicago area has more people of Polish descent than Poland.

h34d ,

According to Wikipedia, the Chicago metropolitan area has a population of about 10 million people, far less than Poland’s 38 million, which makes your claim completely impossible from the start. In fact, according to other articles, it seems that there are about 185 000 people of Polish descent living in Chicago (less than half a percent of the population of Poland), and a bit less than 10 million in the entire US (which is significant compared to the population of Poland, but still “only” about a quarter). And this article claims that there are “roughly 20 000 000 people of Polish ancestry living outside Poland” [in total], which is still less than the population of Poland.

MufinMcFlufin ,

Fair enough, I stand corrected. Was a little factoid I had heard a long time ago and never questioned. Good to know that it wasn’t actually true.

malachai ,
@malachai@pawb.social avatar

Wat? This is so stupid it actually causes me physical pain. That’s like telling anyone who’s not a Christian they can’t celebrate Christmas. 🙄

daellat ,

Or anyone who is, considering it’s not a Christian holiday by origin

SasquatchBanana ,

I think this should be reinforced. If your name isn’t Christian then you can’t celebrate Christmas :(

Jarix ,

I think if your name is Jesus you get to celebrate it

buddascrayon ,

Friendly reminder that nearly everyone on Twitter are fuckheads.

NikkiDimes ,

Friendly reminder that nearly everyone on Twitter the Internet are fuckheads.

eupraxia ,
@eupraxia@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

wait wait wait, but I’m on the internet! :o

TargaryenTKE ,

Fuckhead

eupraxia ,
@eupraxia@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

that an offer, or…?

NikkiDimes ,

One of us, one of us!

joe_cool ,

Friendly reminder that nearly everyone on Twitter the Internet the planet are fuckheads.

Varyk OP ,

HangonletmecheckokayIseewhatyoumean.

gnomesaiyan ,
@gnomesaiyan@lemmy.world avatar

I just call them “twits”.

Bytemeister ,

It’s x now, they are xhits.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

No one falls on a sword for people who didn’t ask like left leaning white women in first world countries.

Varyk OP ,

You understand countering ignorance with prejudice isn’t helpful, right?

cazssiew ,

Hey, you leave them and their strawwomen alone!

VampyreOfNazareth ,

Hati Hróðvitnisson says shut the fuck up.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’m Jewish. I invite you all to celebrate any Jewish holiday. But they’re all stupid religious bullshit other than the food part, so I wouldn’t bother.

Delphia ,

Yeah, but… the food part.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Eh, you can have charoset any day of the year if you feel like it.

Varyk OP ,

Food holidays are my favorite holidays, and also because of Jon Stewart, I irrationally appreciate the abundance of Jewish holidays.

Which Jewish holidays should I celebrate?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Well the problem is that Passover has the best food, but it’s also celebrating a genocide, so I don’t really have a good recommendation.

Purim maybe? It’s mildly less stupid than the others since it’s actually based on something that really happened? But it’s still based on an arranged marriage, so even that’s kind of fucked up. I don’t know. The Bible is ridiculous.

Varyk OP ,

Dang, yea, the Bible is a terrible mess.

klemptor ,
@klemptor@startrek.website avatar

The food is the best part of any holiday, to be fair.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I agree. Unfortunately, with Jewish holidays, you have to sit through what feels like about 10 hours of prayers in Hebrew before you get to the food.

Which especially sucks when you’re a hungry kid who doesn’t understand Hebrew.

InputZero ,

I have the best Jewish friends. They’re not strict Jewish, they adapt a lot of the traditions to suit themselves. For example any of the food heavy holiday’s they invite their non-Jewish friends over but do most of the religious stuff before we show up. So for me, I get to visit with friends, eat pretty good food (I’ve learned what to avoid like the unleavened bread), and help them celebrate something that’s important to them. They make no expectation for us to actually participate, just respect that they are. It’s a good time.

I feel for their kids though, they have to do the 10 hour thing.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Damn, lucky you not having to sit through the boring shit. Because yeah, the food is great!

klemptor ,
@klemptor@startrek.website avatar

Yep. Half my family is Jewish, half is Catholic. My dad (Jewish atheist) made me sit through a really long seder once and afterward said he forgot how boring they are. And also didn’t warn me about the bitter herbs lol. Next time we went to a seder it was wayyy more streamlined.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You can use parsley as ‘bitter herbs,’ which is what we did. Not the most pleasant thing to eat, but not exactly unpalatable. I’ve heard of some people using celery. That feels like cheating.

itsnicodegallo ,

Celery leaves specifically would probably be what they meant. You can actually use them as a substitute for parsley in cooking!

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I think that may be what the idea was, but they definitely meant just regular celery because the conversation, which had happened a couple of times with guests when I was a kid, was along the lines of “why are you using parsley? Celery is so much nicer!”

gamermanh ,

If fish isn’t meat to the Catholics then why shouldn’t celery be a bitter herb

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Beaver, armadillo, alligator and capybara are all also fish according to the Catholic church.

www.theadvertiser.com/story/news/…/69922902007/

So yeah, Jews definitely don’t have the monopoly on this stuff.

ThirdWorldOrder ,

I dated a girl who is Jewish many years ago. Her parents would just throw dishes at each other while arguing in Hebrew. To hear you say that it can’t be entertaining slightly offends me.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Hebrew or Yiddish? If she wasn’t Israeli, it was probably Yiddish. Yiddish is also better for yelling people in. My grandmother was very good at it. It’s like if German had a bastard child with Polish.

ThirdWorldOrder ,

Oh maybe that’s what it was. On a related note the girl I dated has a sister that was a substitute teacher at our high school at the time. She was 21 and would buy us booze and she also played strip poker with my friends and me. Took my buddy’s virginity. Fun times!

Skullgrid ,
@Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

where does ladino fit into this?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Not very much. There are very few Ladino speakers alive today. Like exponentially fewer than Yiddish, which already doesn’t have very many speakers left.

Ladino is very close to Medieval Spanish, but written using Hebrew letters.

RebekahWSD ,
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Hamantaschen are amazing and I’ll make them year round, no one can stop me!

I also make the donuts for Hanukkah for my mother

At least we’re out of the years where we were making like a gross of them. That was exhausting.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Every year my mother buys jelly donuts for us when we come to visit for Hanukkah and every year, we all tell her that we don’t like jelly donuts.

At least she doesn’t try to cook them. She’s an awful cook. And she doesn’t understand food. She makes latkes in the oven (not fried) the day before we come, freezes them, then defrosts them when we come over. And we eat two and pretend we like them and cover them with enough sour cream so that we can’t taste them.

We used to go home and make our own another day, but they’re also kind of a pain in the ass to make, so we just deal with shitty latkes once a year now.

Her matzoh ball soup is fine, but it’s very hard to fuck that up.

PsychedSy ,

That’s fucking adorable though. Getting old is weird.

RebekahWSD ,
@RebekahWSD@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, the homemade donuts, all 122 of them were well received! As well as the hamantaschen. But when you’re making a gross of them, it just takes a long time.

I like latkes, but it was one of them few holiday cooking things that I did not get pushed into doing as a kid (and now several decades later still do for the family)

Challah, hamantaschen, donuts…mostly all the dessert things, I guess. And the charoset! There’s more, but I forget until I get the call and start baking for her.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’m good with most Jewish food, but I draw the line at gefilte fish. I don’t know who decided ground up fish balls in soup was a good idea, but it wasn’t.

PsychedSy ,

Our white versions don’t involve the food :(

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

There’s plenty of Jewish food cookbooks out there! I’m personally a big fan of kugel.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kugel

PsychedSy ,

Christ that looks good.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It’s also so easy to make that even my mother can’t fuck it up. Which, if you ever had my mother’s attempts at cooking, is very impressive.

PsychedSy ,

Lmao. Does her cooking make you nostalgic?

My mom regrets that she didn’t learn all of her mother’s cajun recipes. I regret it, too.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It does not. She’s a much better cook than when I was a kid while still being a terrible cook. But at least her idea of offering me dinner is no longer a defrosted turkey burger every night.

There were also the dreaded dinnertime words of my childhood: “This was an experiment.”

Because the “experiment” was usually something like, “the recipe called for two cups of sugar and that’s too much sugar, so I substituted cottage cheese.”

PsychedSy ,

That sounds horrendous. Kind of adorable, though.

nomous ,

My (fairly religious) aunt introduced me to latkes when I was a kid and it became a lifelong love affair.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I love a good latke, but a bad latke is a very sad thing indeed.

nomous ,

She was (is) a great cook, they were always light and fluffy. Usually we’d have them with applesauce but sometimes she’d make them with a lot of onion and we’d eat them with ketchup.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Ew. I don’t know about ketchup. We always have sour cream.

nomous ,

I love my aunt and have very fond memories of oniony, ketchupy latkes but I don’t eat ketchup with my potatos anymore lol.

In my defense, I was a child. I’m not even sure where she came across them, we’re not Jewish (we were Baptists, from the midwest).

She also makes an onion pie that’s pretty great.

Eggcat ,
@Eggcat@lemmy.ml avatar

hi fellow Jew pls celebrate the holidays with me

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll celebrate with you, but can we make up a new holiday with the same food but none of the boring prayer parts?

EdibleFriend ,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

These people want to show, so hard, that they care but in the end they don’t realize they are practically pushing for segregation.

ergifruit ,

plus imagining thinking that, as a white person, you have the ability to decide who gets to celebrate what, while speaking over Asian people. like that was a bigotry 360°; you went right around to being racist again lmao

Anticorp ,

This is what happens most of the time when people scream cultural appropriation. The problem is that people without understanding of the terms use the terms every day. This leads to scenarios like the one above, or where someone is getting offended you’re enjoying a cultural food, or listening to a specific kind of music. Appreciating other cultures isn’t appropriation.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Exactly, appropriating means to take and pretend you invented it or created it. Interacting with culture or enjoying other people’s culture isn’t harmful and if these people actually went to other countries they’d realize their people WANT to share their culture.

neptune ,

Yeah I agree that there is a TAKE vs a SHARE.

Some of the reason cultural appropriation is a bad thing is due to capitalism. Taking something, even symbolically, for profit, is different than learning, experiencing and sharing.

NikkiDimes ,

これは本当すぎる

(I’m white btw 😱😱😱)

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot , (edited )

That’s why people who do understand the terms need to call the people who don’t out at every opportunity, but they won’t do that because of “solidarity.”

EdibleFriend ,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

I remember someone giving a huge speech on…tumblr probably it sounds like something that would come from that shithole…that white people learning Spanish was cultural appropriation.

HawlSera ,

That’s why I laugh at anyone who unironically says “Cultural Appropiation”

I wonder if they realize that if cultures didn’t borrow from other cultures we wouldn’t have anime or instant ramen.

atlasraven31 ,

Or colleges, paper, math, the entire judicial system, and fireworks.

Varyk OP ,

Hundred. Percent. It’s astounding, I am astounded at the number of messages I have received as a result of this post exactly mirroring the less desired sentiment you’ve described.

But it’s cool, they can go f*** themselves, there’s like 2 billion people wholesomely celebrating this holiday in defiance of bigotry, so it’s not a real problem.

Aux ,

These people are racists. That’s it.

boatsnhos931 ,

Happy city lunar new Year!!

Varyk OP ,

I no joke found a restaurant named city wok in China.

It was a weird moment.

riodoro1 ,

Gatekeeping is a special form of being special

Blackmist ,

Especially when you also don’t belong to said group.

brbposting ,

Yeah but only if—-

unreasonabro ,

“friendly reminder that if you’re white, you’d better be uptight to the point of constipation at all times, except for moments of stress-induced diarrhea”

Donebrach ,
@Donebrach@lemmy.world avatar

I recall when I was first informed about “cultural appropriation” and how it boiled down to the concept that if a white person enjoys any aspect of a non-white culture it was an act of racism. Gotta love the gravity well of ultra liberal bullshit warping back in on itself and becoming fascism.

Varyk OP , (edited )

Even though you’re totally wrong with your definitions and facts, I do like your writing and appreciate your poetic license.

This isn’t fascism, this is social conscience.

A lot less severe than what you pretend fascism is.

Kedly ,

TBH though I do find the term used to gatekeep far more than I see it used to promote respect. Most cultural arts and traditions formed from bringing a few items/ideas from other cultures back to their own and overtime they incorporated it into their own. Shit like wearing a cultures clothing item that requires significant cultural acts to obtain in said culture when you are not a patt of it, theres nuance and issues of cultural respect to talk about there. But “cultural appropriation” as a term doesnt really get used that often with that level of nuance

Varyk OP ,

I mostly disagree, every time I visited a country and worn the cultural dress, the local culture has been very supportive and appreciative, and I’ve been able to enter into more interesting conversations because I’m willing to engage in their culture on a more visceral level.

I understand cultural sensitivity, but I have yet to encounter a culture that does not want to be recognized, particularly for their notable and impressive achievements.

Or if their clothing looks f****** cool, like in Morocco or Japan. China. Or the states. Or Vietnam. Or Germany(goofy but still fun). Malaysia.

Everywhere. Everywhere I have talked to people, they appreciate the appreciation of their culture.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
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To me, the term “cultural appropriation” refers to things like schools having kids make chicken feather “headdresses” to “celebrate” Native American Day, or wearing a religious symbol in a disrespectful way. Even though people like the person in the post can be annoying, I think it’s still progress that we’re able to have these discussions, and I think it’s too bad that for many people the takeaway seems to be “cultural appropriation is never problematic.” I’d take the person from the post any day over someone who thinks they’re immune from criticism when they unintentionally engage in behavior that truly is disrespectful.

Varyk OP ,

No goddamn way.

We’ve been having these discussions, as far as history is aware, since we started writing things down.

Give me the rebuttal friend any day.

I’ve been to too many countries, and what you’re alleging is simply and practically incorrect.

Cultures appreciate genuine cultural appreciation.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

But cultural appreciation is not what is meant by “cultural appropriation.” Cultural appropriation is when it’s done in a disrespectful manner.

I grew up with some utterly racist experiences in school – the feather “headdress” and cardboard tipis, the sombreros on Cinco de Mayo, etc.

I wish I’d had someone at the time to explain why that was wrong.

Varyk OP ,

That’s ignorance, which is different from any sort of intentional disrespect.

You get a pass，as a kid.

You’re going to ask, how do I know you’re getting a pass?

Go ask anybody from the culture you’re afraid of offending if you get a pass for being a child.

It’ll be cool.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
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No one person can represent an entire culture though. That’s why it’s on us to learn how to be respectful.

For example, someone from Mexico might be just fine with offensive Hispanic stereotypes, but that doesn’t excuse such behavior. You can’t just ask a random person for a pass, like what? Even asking for something like that would be utterly tasteless lmao

Varyk OP , (edited )

Yes, a Mexican person being appreciative of a random foreign guy wearing a sombrero does excuse your interpretation of stereotypes.

You don’t actually need to ask people for passes, that’s a silly meme.

You can appreciate someone’s culture and they’ll talk to you like a human being.

Kedly ,

Thats… kinda what I’m talking about? Cultural appropriation is most often used in a context of why you SHOULDNT engage in things you like about another culture

Varyk OP ,

You’re condemning the appreciation of another culture, which every culture will tell you is welcome and appreciated.

So it is kind of what you’re talking about, except you’re missing the main point.

Kedly ,

IM not condemning the appreciation of other cultures. I’m saying the concept of Cultural Appropriation leads to the thought process of the woman who’s tweet started this thread more than it leads to how to be better respectful in how you appreciate things. A person wouldnt “appopriate” anything unless something about it found interest in them. Just general lessons in respect in general are far more useful

Varyk OP ,

Idk wtf “a person wouldn’t appropriate anything unless something about it found interest in them” means, so I’m going to just assume that your heart is in the right place.

Happy New Year

Kedly ,

Tbf it took me a bit to translate your response too =P But essentially what I mean is Appropriation is basically taking something from somewhere that you like, but in a disrespectful or dishonest fasion. Its basically inappropriate/disrespectful appreciation. If this is your polite way of exiting a conversation though I respect that and wish you a good day as well.

Varyk OP ,

Not at all, that was my genuine disregard for a nonsensical comment.

I’m always up for clear discussion.

It sounds like you’re agreeing with what I said, that if cultural appreciation disrespectful, then it is cultural appreciation.

If cultural appreciation is not respectful than it is cultural disrespect.

Are you trying to say that cultural appreciation is better than cultural disrespect?

Because total agree.

Kedly ,

Yeah badically. I’m not a fan of the social justice trend to focus on the negative and judgy terminology of a nuanced issue rather than focussing on the positive and how can we do things better side. I do not like the concept of privilege, but appreciate the concept of intersectionality as an example, as even though they both focus on: We all experience challenges that others might not and its helpful to be aware that someone might be experiencing a challenge that you do not personally face. One comes at it from an inclusive “everyone is in this boat” perspective, and the other comes at it from an exclusionary “Some people experience this less than others” persepective. Tangent aside, I’d much rather we focus on how to better appreciate the things and concepts we like, than put the main focus on the “wrong” ways of appreciating what we like.

Tl:dr:

I dont like cultural appropriation as a concept

but

The concept of cultural appreciation and how most respectfully to do so I think is fantastic

Varyk OP ,

If you truly believe what you’re saying, then please travel.

Cultural appropriation done disrespectfully is obviously heinous, and I’ve never seen that occurrent real life, but if you are representing the culture that you are traveling among, they love it.

I haven’t been to a single country where they don’t love it.

And it’s f****** awesome.

Kedly ,

Yeah ok at this point I’m gonna respectfully opt out. I appreciate the conversation we are having, but theres small statements in each of your responses that I feel are disrespecting me such as calling my talking points nonsense, or assuming I havent traveled the world which I have. I do see and appreciate your love of other cultures And I share and share and respect that sentiment, so I do still wish you a good day

Varyk OP ,

Wise.

You’re not a fan of social justice, and I have way too much time for any one person.

It’s a sound decision.

interdimensionalmeme ,

“Gatekeep”, “gaslight” they’ve become twitter shit words. Completely poisoned. Just mentionning them cast doubt and suspicion on the speaker. Even when it applies.

Kedly ,

I mean, thats essentially what I’m arguing about with the word Cultural Appropriation

fidodo ,

That’s a bullshit explanation of cultural appropriation and the person you heard it from is an idiot. Actual cultural appropriation is when you take something from another culture and either erase or overwrite its origin, so the original culture in its original form becomes forgotten.

For example, when white artists re-recorded songs from black artists and specifically removed them from the credits and claimed them as their own, that was cultural appropriation. When movie studios chopped up Indian culture and presented it in a completely distorted and inaccurate light, so much so that the original meanings were lost, that was cultural appropriation.

Simply being a participant in someone else’s cultural celebration is not cultural appropriation.

Lev_Astov ,
@Lev_Astov@lemmy.world avatar

Considering I’ve seen a lot of gatekeeping morons go on about cultural appropriation without ever mentioning that, I think most don’t understand this crucial distinction.

xe3 ,

If you form your understanding on topics you don’t understand based on what “gatekeeping morons” think or do, you are going to be perpetually misinformed

interdimensionalmeme ,

It’s not any form of liberalism. The troll depicted in the original post, is building a strawman. A ridiculous opinion nobidy believes. The goal is simple to delegitimise the whole idea of cultural appropriation. To basically say, Disney did nothing wrong taking children’s public domain folklore and locking it behind an intellectual property paywall for 100 years.

That’s the real goal here. As usual the powerful taking away from the weak and saying they’re not allowed to complain.

You are ultimately right, this is fasch behaviour. This is fasch wearing fake liberal faceskin.

Anticorp ,

Sorry to inform you, but I know people like this, and they’re not building strawmen or false flags. They sincerely think they’re helping, when all they’re doing is creating strife and division.

interdimensionalmeme ,

I think it’s malicious and they know what they’re doing. They don’t like the idea so they push it to the ridiculous extreme. Or, they’re another form of malicious, the busybody intruder who wants to tell others how to live and pretending this is about the “victim” are simply using those “victims” as to justify their aggression.

Anticorp ,

Gotta love the gravity well of ultra liberal bullshit warping back in on itself and becoming fascism.

Racist fascism in the guise of anti-racist inclusion.

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

Not every “lunar new year” is on the same day in every country; there are different lunar calendars.

The Chinese New Year is not the Buddhist New Year is not the Islamic New Year, yet we’re smashing them all together.

This is cultural insensitivity.

Varyk OP , (edited )

China, Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia, lots of countries use lunar calendars that arrive on the same date.

Calling it the lunar New Year is not a cultural sensitivity, it’s simple accuracy.

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

Even countries that use the same calendar don’t call it the same thing!

Korea and Vietnam each have their own Korean and Vietnamese New Years, but Malaysia literally calls it Tahun Baru Cina (I’ll give you three guesses what Cina means). In fact, several countries call it something like that: Singapore and the Philippines calls it the Chinese New Year, Brunei calls it Tahun Baru Cina, etc. Meanwhile, China doesn’t even call it a lunar new year, they call it the spring festival.

Lumping them all together is just something we’re doing to make it easier for Americans.

Varyk OP ,

Korea, Malaysia, and Singapore don’t call it the same name because they speak different languages, but they do not all call it Chinese New Year in real life, no matter what your Google Fu says.

I’m speaking to this from China right now, saying Happy New Year every 10 minutes. China is one of the countries with a literal lunar calendar.

Lunar New Year is perfectly accurate, and more accurate than “Chinese New Year”.

My Korean is terrible, but when I was there they all said sollal, the local name of the lunar New Year holiday.

Vietnam was easier because the lunar New Year is called the pronounceable “tet.”

Malaysia, Singapore, they have local names for the lunar New Year that don’t include the word China.

You’re really hunting for these “Chinese New Year” names that are in practice uncommon or disused.

You can call it that if you want to, but you’ll just be that old grandma in the meme with the hospice worker assuring you that everything is fine and she can escort you back to 4chan.

In fact, please go to any of the countries you’ve mentioned, or Singapore or the Philippines and tell them that you’re celebrating Chinese New Year and report back their response.

Especially the Philippines, they don’t brook no s*** hahaha.

TassieTosser ,

The “tahun baru cina” thing used in Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia and Brunei isn’t uncommon or disused btw. It’s the term used by the native Malay population because Malay is the official language in those countries. A term not used by the cultures celebrating this lunar new year.

Varyk OP ,

I have not heard that term during the lunar New Year, and I’ve heard people say Happy New Year in Malaysia hundreds of times.

If you’re a native Malay, I will take your word for it that your particular village(which village are you from ?) is peculiar, since that is not the common national phrase.

You don’t sound like a native malay.

You have way too many native English joinders to be a Malay.

Are you searching Google for any international phrase that connects to China so that you’re not completely wrong about this, even though you were completely wrong about this?

veni_vedi_veni ,

How pathetic do you have to be to gatekeep a celebration?

Varyk OP , (edited )

Probably about that Karen-level right there.

Right about where you’re that desperate for attention, it isn’t your place to say and it helps literally nobody.

Just about that pathetic.

Gabu ,

More importantly: a celebration that you can get to by just looking at the bloody sky.

some_guy ,

Hey, a white lady is telling people how to do shit. Shut up and let her speak. /s

LadyAutumn ,
@LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I do think it’s important that people know what it is they’re celebrating, but yeah like my local Chinese community always does a lunar new year celebration that is open to everyone. I think a lot of Chinese people (and other communities that celebrate the lunar new year, like Okinawan Korean Vietnamese and many others) see open celebration as creating more appreciation for and understanding of their culture.

Woht24 ,

I can’t wait to take Christmas off you all

Jax ,

Crazy, what an entirely reasonable thing to think.

Lev_Astov ,
@Lev_Astov@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, get out of here with that; this is the Internet.

Dasnap ,
@Dasnap@lemmy.world avatar

I invite everyone here to Pancake Day on Tuesday :)

Varyk OP ,

THANKYOU

AwkwardTurtle ,

The hero we never knew we needed

PsychedSy ,

I work. Can we do it today?

interdimensionalmeme ,

You and all your friends are hereby invited to Pancake Saturday !

LemonLord ,
@LemonLord@endlesstalk.org avatar

It’s chinese new year? Why they call it lunar year? Yes I know their calendar is running by the moon. Is “lunar year” ultra-woke to avoid a “ugly” word like “chinese”? An other case of woke racism?

Nekomancer ,

It’s celebrated in many Asian countries, so calling it lunar New Year is a simple way to not group them all as Chinese.

Varyk OP , (edited )

No racism, just accuracy.

It’s more because so many cultures have a lunar calendar, so even though China is the largest population that uses the lunar calendar, it’s not precise to just call it the Chinese New Year, since so many countries and cultures also have a lunar calendar that share significant dates.

LemonLord ,
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Sorry, today it’s New Year in the Chinese Calendar. It’s celebrated by Chinese all over the world. And it’s not even a really “lunar” calendar. More precise is to call it a “lunar-solar” calendar. Racism, not accuracy.

Varyk OP ,

We agree; all of the stuff you’re saying is just racism, not accuracy.

LemonLord ,
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Who is “we”? Cancel Culture! Haha.

Varyk OP ,

Definitely! Haha, let’s cancel your personal culture(shouldn’t be difficult with the minimal amount of culture you possess)!

Also, I guess Yolo, that seems in your wheelhouse.

LemonLord ,
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Happy New Chinese Year!

Varyk OP ,

Thanks! Inaccurate, but consistent with your line of reasoning.

LemonLord ,
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Ok, you are woke and use this words. This is ok. But you are wrong to call it a lunar year, because the chinese calendar is lunisonal. Ask Chat-GPT. So you can call it a lunisonal year.

Varyk OP ,

Call it whatever you want, call me whatever you want.

I’ve encountered racism before you, I’ve encountered it from you.

Congrats. You joined the club.

LemonLord ,
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If you call it a “lunar year” you don’t know what it is. Simple. I would call it in the language of this people “Chūnjié”.

Varyk OP ,

Yes. In one country, you’d call it that,or seoullal or tet, so on for each country. But if you’re referring to the collective lunar festival celebrated by dint of the lunar calendar on the same day, boy, it just makes sense to call it the lunar new year.

Happy Lunar New Year

LemonLord , (edited )
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“Lunar year” is a western term. This makes it difficult for me, because I don’t want to say to a chinese restaurant guy how he has to name his celebrations. A lunar calendar is from western perspective even more primitive. You can’t use it for farming, because the seasons drift through the “lunar year”. The chinese calendar is a typical farming calendar which has solved this problem. Lunisolar. Lunar the month, the year solar. If you know this lunar alone sounds arrogant or non-knowing. In my ears. In my life I only know Chinese who celebrate this. Everybody wants to know the animal of the year. There is even astrology. I don’t want to mix this with other cultures. The right-woke way is to ask the people how they name this. Then using their words. If you name it “lunar year” then it’s ok for me. But I would to know the original name in your culture. I like to know new words. Thank you for your wishes.

Varyk OP ,

Wow, that is some practiced disingenuity.

Lunar year is not a western term, it’s a comprehensive translation of all of the lunar New Years.

Why are you even making this up?

This is so much more embarrassing for you than if you just admitted that the lunar calendar is real and that countries other than wherever you’re from celebrate different holidays than you do.

Let’s examine your lunar-solar “argument”; the distinguiahing characteristic of all of these lunar-solar New years is that they’re based on the lunar part of the calendar.

The Lunar New Year part of the calendar.

The same Lunar New Year date shared with many other countries.

Lunar New Year.

LemonLord ,
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Lunar year is an english term. And the problem is you mix other cultures with the chinese. The Chinese year starts with a lunar event, new moon, but the years are orientated by the sol. The term “lunar year” is wrong if you refer it to the chinese calendar. If you want to mix “all lunar calendars” this makes no sense beside the woke motivation. They invent names for christmas without christ. And of course chinese culture is under fire and voilà they name the biggest chinese cultural event with a new name. This can be criticized.

Varyk OP ,

Chinese culture is not under fire.

They just have two separate calendars.

One of them follows the solar cycle and one of them follows the lunar cycle.

Today celebrates the new year according to the lunar cycle.

“Lunar New Year” are literally English words, but not in any conceivable way a definitively and singularly English term, that’s so narcissistic of you it’s almost solipsistic, hahaha

It’s a reflective comprehensive translation of the lunar New Year of every culture that follows the lunar calendar.

You can totally criticize it, it’s super funny that you keep trying.

I’ll be here.

LemonLord ,
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No. Every three years there’s an additional month to synchronize the calendar with the sol-year. So they mixed moon- and solyear.

Years ago the world I knew used the term “Chinese New Year”. Now your term is quite more often used by media. I think there is purpose not to bring positive news from this land. Words can be weapons.

Varyk OP ,

The differential being the lunar New Year.

The lunar New Year.

Happy lunar New Year!

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