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HurlingDurling , in Girlfriend sent me this, dont know how to take it.

I’d consider her a keeper as she clearly loves you how you are. Everyone has their pros and cons, and she looks like she sees your cons, but also your pros and still loves how you are.

Also, she’s funny so that is a huge pro for her.

Lastly, congrats on the balls my friend.

Thcgrasscity OP ,
@Thcgrasscity@lemmy.ca avatar

She is funny as fuck quick wit that makes my dumb ass laugh.

HurlingDurling ,

Then she sounds like a keeper.

Filthmontane , in F's in the chat

I was on Reddit every day for 14+ years. July 1st I came to Lemmy and never looked back.

OldWoodFrame ,

Same. Longest I’d gone without commenting on reddit for a decade straight is 3 days. Now the longest is…since July 1st and counting.

shadearg ,
@shadearg@lemmy.world avatar

I said I would leave my just-turned 15-year-old account after June 30th, received a lot of fomo jibe, and have only been back when I’ve needed to update the social links of my profile with new Fediverse replacement accounts.

Good riddance.

AToM_exe ,

I miss the toxicity. I miss the inside jokes… I miss shitty watercolours. I miss the gore. I miss the profound comments. I miss the extremely detailed and informative answers to the most rudiment question.

Here is just: capitalism bad / Landlords suck / Linux / Chromium sux / Atheism

Don’t get me wrong, I love these topics, but it’s just that…

I found another website where I make my daily blog, but now I’m wasting even more time online…

girl ,

you… miss the toxicity…

AToM_exe ,

Yeah. I miss people arguing over unimportant stuff, like their life depends on it. I miss communities coming together to mass downvote companies like EA. And I miss letting out anger, knowing that the other user does the same.

TimeSquirrel ,
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

Here is just: capitalism bad / Landlords suck

You're in a meme community that's hosted on an instance started by Marxist-leninists. Of course you're going to see a lot of that. Have you tried to search for communities on other instances? I'm on Kbin, and this is one of many fediverse-wide communities I'm subscribed to from there. I don't get the constant politics and circlejerking on some other instances.

AToM_exe ,

Oh, that explains a lot!

Deepus ,

…when does the narwal bacon… They were the good times. Oh well.

iterable , (edited ) in Another Starfield Post
@iterable@sh.itjust.works avatar

Rule of thumb. Wait until you see top ten mod lists for Bethesda games and is at least on sale.

DmMacniel ,

Well… MxR just dropped an immersive mod list.

qarbone ,

Impossible. There is no time to have created a list of mods. Unless the list is just BetterHUD and a few options for Reshade

AlexWIWA ,

I hear the word immersive in his voice now

b3nsn0w ,
@b3nsn0w@pricefield.org avatar

i have gamepass unrelated to this game, i’m probably going to try it out if the dlss mod can be installed on the gamepass version (which looks like it can be). if the game sucks, i’m happy, nothing kills excitement better than actually experiencing the thing and getting disappointed, so i can finally evict this game from my head. and if the game doesn’t suck, i’m also happy because all these years later i finally get to play star citizen, i just apparently had to wait for bethesda to make it.

DragonNest_Aidit ,

I’m waiting for the Moddinglinked (Viva New Vegas and Midnight Ride) guide before I starts torrenting it

JamesConeZone , in fixed cyberghost's "meme"
@JamesConeZone@hexbear.net avatar

The pure (libertarian) socialists’ ideological anticipations remain untainted by existing practice. They do not explain how the manifold functions of a revolutionary society would be organized, how external attack and internal sabotage would be thwarted, how bureaucracy would be avoided, scarce resources allocated, policy differences settled, priorities set, and production and distribution conducted. Instead, they offer vague statements about how the workers themselves will directly own and control the means of production and will arrive at their own solutions through creative struggle. No surprise then that the pure socialists support every revolution except the ones that succeed.

mustardman ,

Instead, they offer vague statements about how the workers themselves will directly own and control the means of production and will arrive at their own solutions through creative struggle.

No, it’s pretty simple. It’s called “profit sharing” where workers get the lions share of profits. It’s more realistic than alternatives in a country that thinks Joe Biden is a communist.

JamesConeZone ,
@JamesConeZone@hexbear.net avatar

Not sure what your point here is mate

mustardman ,

I didn’t expect you to

JamesConeZone ,
@JamesConeZone@hexbear.net avatar

Lmao good talk smuglord

FluffyPotato ,

At least it’s something new instead of a method that has failed to bring about socialism time and time again through history. All those transitory government systems just end up being dictatorships that give as much power to the workers as the fucking US, less even.

You will never achieve socialism if you just prop up a ruling class with vastly different class interests, they will never cede power to the workers.

brain_in_a_box ,

It’s very far from new, and it has failed entirely to bring about socialism time and time again through history.

You will never achieve socialism if you just passively support the status quo while condemning all forms of AES for not being pure enough.

FluffyPotato ,

What I support is workers organising. What I don’t support is Stalinist strongmen oppressing workers. Socialism without power of the workers is meaningless and not worth achieving, that’s literally the current system. If I wanted capitalism with socialist aesthetics I can just move to China, that already exists. What I want is actual power to the workers and nothing else.

JamesConeZone ,
@JamesConeZone@hexbear.net avatar

Workers had more power and say in democracy in the USSR then they have ever had in a Western capitalist country, and American police are more brutal, more violent, more repressive, and kill more people than any “strong men” under Stalin. You’ve consumed too much anti-communist propaganda.

FluffyPotato ,

No, me and my family lived under Soviet rule in an annexed satellite state. Workers had no power here, people who were friendly to high ranking party members had power and if workers did not comply they got sent to slave camps in siberia where they were not likely to return.

I really don’t care about the US and it’s quite weird how literally everyone who is trying to paint the USSR in a good light says that with no prompting. Like lung cancer is also bad but bringing that up in every single conversation about anything is weird.

brain_in_a_box ,

What decade were you born in?

ProxyTheAwesome ,

1993 every time. They always “know” what the USSR was like better than their tankie grandparents

brain_in_a_box ,

Yup, it’s shocking how consistent it is.

JamesConeZone ,
@JamesConeZone@hexbear.net avatar

no prompting

My sibling in Christ you mentioned Stalin, a leader of the USSR, and this entire thread is about socialist states

FluffyPotato ,

Was Stalin the president of the US? Is the US the leader of socialism or something? The US has nothing to do with socialism, like I have been part of my local anarchist group for years and no one has ever even mentioned the US.

Ram_The_Manparts ,
@Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net avatar

Are you seriously not aware of what the US has been doing to crush left-wing movements around the world for the last 80 years?

GarbageShoot ,

When and where did you live in a SSR?

brain_in_a_box ,

Did an AI write this? You didn’t actually respond to anything I said.

FluffyPotato ,

Neither did you.

brain_in_a_box ,

I clearly did, but by all means, go with “no u” and see how convincing it is.

FluffyPotato ,

You attributed some failed strategy to me and then accused me of purity testing states that are only aesthetically socialist. That response had nothing to do with what I said.

brain_in_a_box ,

You attributed the failed strategy to yourself, and I accused you of it because that’s exactly what you were doing. That’s a response, to your comment.

FluffyPotato ,

As you yourself said: it’s untainted by existing practice, there is no existing strategy as in its new. In relation to the numerous failed attempts at socialism through dictatorship it’s better to try something new and not keep shooting the working class in the foot.

brain_in_a_box ,

Ok, so what is your new strategy then?

FluffyPotato ,

Currently our group has been working on raising avereness of unions since there are a lot of white collar workers that aren’t a member of any union. We are also trying to popularise the coop business model especially in the public sector. We are also advocating for wealth redistribution reforms. The USSR kinda ruined calling yourself a socialist(And calling yourself a communist here will more likely get you punched here) so a lot of advocacy has been about pushing for socialist ideas with different wording.

For more long term we are hoping to get unions more involved in government and possibly form a worker’s party with the union members.

brain_in_a_box ,

Ok, that’s all well and good, but nothing new, so what’s the new strategy you mentioned?

FluffyPotato ,

The workers party we are forming will be domocratic with no strongman.

brain_in_a_box ,

Ok, but what’s the new strategy?

mustardman ,

Hexbear users don’t operate in good faith so no point in actually trying to engage them in good faith. They will wear you out if you do.

ElChapoDeChapo ,
@ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net avatar

We engage in good faith only so long as we are met with good faith, if you aren’t going to respect us we have no reason to respect you

mustardman ,

Well as long as you have a sub dedicated to “dunking on libs” we both know that is not true.

ElChapoDeChapo ,
@ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net avatar

Hey now, the dunk tank is also for chuds

ProxyTheAwesome ,

Just stop being a lib and be a communist. It’s one quick trick hexbears don’t want you to know

ProxyTheAwesome ,

You aren’t new you are in a tradition of 200 years of stepping onto rakes. Your face plant is not innovative

mimichuu_ ,

Look, I agree that it’s dumb to call yourself a socialist and have zero respect for most attempts at socialism, especially when your critique doesn’t come from anything serious but just parroting of cold war propaganda. I agree that these countries weren’t literally the devil, nor fascist, not “pretending”, that’s all fine.

But it’s still so dishonest of MLs to dig for quotes and smugly boastbout how “libertarians never succeed”. Even if we completely ignore all the very explicit and deliberate attempts at sabotage anarchists had to endure from their statist “comrades” (which we shouldn’t but we always casually seem to be forced to do in the name of “unity”), it doesn’t change the fact that vanguardist revolutions have all been incredibly flawed too.

You all are very often willing to recognize your failures, most of the people like you I have talked to seem to agree that at some point the revolution was “hijacked”, usurped, corrupted, lost aim, usually coinciding with a figure they don’t like taking over the revolutionary government and messing things up.

The supposed “strong state that crushes all opposition” being taken over by the reformist opposition and then the capitalist one in the case of the USSR and Leninists. The market reforms of Deng in the case of China and Maoists. But you all never seem to ask yourselves the question “Why was that allowed to happen?”. Why am I supposed to put my trust in some authoritarian bullshit solution specifically justified as a means to protect the revolution when it failed at doing so? Why do you have to be so smug and condescending at me for not trusting in things that didn’t work?

Why do you instead of learning from the mistakes in your methods that most of the time you yourself recognize and trying to come up with new ideas and systems for the current age, insist on still clinging to material analysis of the world of a hundred years ago as the gospel, the sole undying and absolute truth on how to Make Socialism, merely saying “it’ll totally work right this time” instead? Why do you insist on mocking and “”“dunking”“” on anyone who refuses to do that?

They do not explain how the manifold functions of a revolutionary society would be organized, how external attack and internal sabotage would be thwarted, how bureaucracy would be avoided, scarce resources allocated, policy differences settled, priorities set, and production and distribution conducted.

This is all completely false. It genuinely is just lies. You can disagree with the explanations, but to claim there literally aren’t any is just ignorance and a complete lack of good faith. Look, if you’re a socialist in the internet, you probably have dealt with confidently incorrect liberals whining about strawmen that you don’t believe, because they haven’t read anything about it - and it’s probably been incredibly frustrating. So why do you never think twice before doing the same thing with anarchists?

I’m always told to read Lenin and a ton of authoritarian essays and I always do in good faith, but it’s extremely rare for me to ever be afforded the same honour, and then all the conversations I have end up with people telling me shit like this and me having to explain anarchism 101 to them because they genuinely don’t actually know anything.

No surprise then that the pure socialists support every revolution except the ones that succeed.

I am also always told to be charitable and nuanced about the failures and mistakes of vanguardist revolutions, but no one ever has the same honour with anarchist ones.

JamesConeZone ,
@JamesConeZone@hexbear.net avatar

I am quoting Parenti. You’ll need to read Blackshirts & Reds to get an answer – that’s where the quote is from – or one of his other books.

mimichuu_ ,

Thanks for ignoring everything I said.

JamesConeZone ,
@JamesConeZone@hexbear.net avatar

Sorry to disappoint. I don’t have hard opinions about anarchists vs MLs. I generally think Engels was more convincing on authority, but I’m not well read enough to have a formed opinion on it and haven’t read anything from the last decade or so. I especially don’t think the things that you’re asking here because I didn’t write the statement, Parenti did, and he did so for rhetorical effect against western leftists putting ideology over AES. I’m happy to receive some recs I can follow up on.

mimichuu_ ,

I am sorry for being agressive. I mostly assumed you thought the same things as the person you were quoting. I appreciate that you at least admit you aren’t well read enough, that’s more than most people I talk to.

I’m happy to receive some recs I can follow up on.

I really appreciate this too. Thank you. I think as a direct expanding on what I’m talking about, this essay is very good:

theanarchistlibrary.org/…/anark-the-state-is-coun…

It’s available on video form too, but the video doesn’t have citations.

Here’s a good rebuttal of On Authority:

theanarchistlibrary.org/…/london-anarchist-federa…

A modern and a classical reading on how anarchists view authority and power:

theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anark-power

theanarchistlibrary.org/…/mikhail-bakunin-what-is…

JamesConeZone ,
@JamesConeZone@hexbear.net avatar

Cheers pal, I’ve favorited this post to come back too. I’ve read Bakunin before, but I haven’t read the rebuttal on On Authority or the other essays you linked. Looking forward to it! Appreciate the time you put into this

mimichuu_ ,

Thank you for being willing to engage sanely in the first place. <3

btbt , in fixed cyberghost's "meme"
@btbt@hexbear.net avatar

Oh shit it’s the person from the original meme

Vuraniute OP ,
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  • AntiOutsideAktion ,
    @AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net avatar

    strike two

    AcidSmiley ,
    @AcidSmiley@hexbear.net avatar

    It’s funny that somebody who has made his account on here entirely to spread anti-communist propaganda calls other people a fascist. You’re equating the people who built Auschwitz with those who liberated it, you’re effectively a holocaust denier and a nazi. Eat shit and die, you fascist pig with your transparent wrecking attempts.

    cooljacob204 ,

    You’re equating the people who built Auschwitz with those who liberated it

    And then went on to commit a ton of their own genocide. I can't believe you actually used this as an excuse to not call them facists. You're just another tankie who is in complete denial about history and reality.

    Only one who should eat shit and die is stupid ignorant facists tankies like you.

    AOCapitulator ,
    @AOCapitulator@hexbear.net avatar

    a lot of people in this thread should be thrown into volcanos to please the economy

    ikiru ,

    What makes them a fascist, genuine question? I looked through their profile but couldn’t find anything that would make me think they’re fascist, just edgy Leftist humor. Do you say that simply just because they’re on hexbear?

    And what do you politically identify as? I could find even less about you to understand any of your politics.

    I haven’t seen any fascists, as far as I’m aware, on hexbear but I hate fascism so I’d be willing to agree with you if you can explain.

    GarbageShoot ,

    The only open-ish fascist I have seen on lemmy in a while was that dude on the Japan thread sneering about third world immigrants ruining society

    ikiru ,

    Hmmm. Doesn’t sound like the kinds of ideas that Japan would be open towards.

    thepoaster ,

    NCDer

    What does this mean I’ve never heard of it

    ezures ,

    Non credible defense, shitposting about military stuff

    thepoaster ,

    thanks!

    oatscoop ,

    Non-credible defense. It’s a millitary/conflict themed shit-posting community that started on on Reddit

    The most active NCD lemmy community is on [email protected]

    axont ,

    Wait, this person who is bragging about going on a forum for praising NATO and war crimes is telling us we’re not socialist enough?

    What? I’ve lost the plot.

    TheLastHero ,

    chronic social democratic brain syndrome. This one appears terminal. They’ll support imperialism and anti-communism until they’re executed by fascists anyway for being a tankie brainworms

    mustardman ,

    What is imperialism to you? Is it when countries around the world put Russian imperialism in check? Should we be praising Russia for liberating Ukraine by blowing up maternity wards and hospitals? Should we just let Holodomor v2.0 occur?

    As always, such a hot take from Hexbear.

    somename ,
    420blazeit69 ,
    mustardman ,

    Ok. I already do but thanks for the tip.

    brain_in_a_box ,

    You clearly don’t.

    ElChapoDeChapo ,
    @ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net avatar

    Should we just let Holodomor v2.0 occur?

    Stop spreading holocaust denial

    jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

    ProxyTheAwesome ,

    NATO is leftist now, didn’t you hear? China and all the gross non-white countries are fascists, and NATO and all the nice clean white countries are based and leftist!!!

    Grimble ,

    Slow down there buddy

    JokeDeity , in Imagine.

    Imagine being in 2023 and still thinking it’s anything other than piss.

    Chariotwheel ,

    What do people think it would be otherwise?

    Sweat? Magic fluid that's just not used all the time?

    IWantToFuckSpez ,

    It’s Ambrosia

    cheeseburger ,
    @cheeseburger@lemmy.ca avatar

    Precious ambergris

    AlligatorBlizzard ,

    Skene’s gland secretions. Warning - medical/anatomical non-pornographic NSFW.

    BruceTwarzen ,

    No one claimed that (here)

    Duranie ,

    (yet)

    franklin ,
    @franklin@lemmy.world avatar

    Man if you don’t see why making someone come so hard they piss is fun, I don’t know how we could ever come to common ground

    Holzkohlen ,

    Well, no common ground it is. Not to kink shame tho, being in to piss play is a-ok 👍

    JoYo ,
    @JoYo@lemmy.ml avatar

    Sounds like a medical issue.

    JokeDeity ,

    I’m fine with that. The one girl I was with that “squirted” a lot was more than enough from one night, for a lifetime. 🤢🤢🤢

    JoYo ,
    @JoYo@lemmy.ml avatar

    brb gotta squirt in the urinal.

    coffeebiscuit ,

    It’s Bud light.

    ryannathans ,

    It’s mostly piss. Not entirely piss.

    Laticauda , in Firefox gang raise

    The old logo is too busy and doesn’t look like fire. Ngl I like the new one, it feels like the fire is cradling the earth.

    victron ,
    @victron@programming.dev avatar

    In that color, that’s clearly not the earth anymore

    olutukko ,

    Doesn’t look like earth in the earlier either. That land area look nothing like earth

    victron ,
    @victron@programming.dev avatar

    Fair point. I guess they didn’t want to reference a specific place.

    olutukko ,

    Might be true

    eatmyass , in Lemmy might, MIGHT have a small bias towards the left
    @eatmyass@hexbear.net avatar
    motherfucker ,
    @motherfucker@hexbear.net avatar

    User name relevant! Take my heckin updoot kind stranger!

    radiofreeval ,
    @radiofreeval@hexbear.net avatar

    You may fire when ready

    nat_turner_overdrive ,
    @nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net avatar

    To the Hexbears, I say: stand back, and stand by

    radiofreeval ,
    @radiofreeval@hexbear.net avatar

    Repeat, out.

    ComradeChairmanKGB ,
    @ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    That’s like 6000 kilometers of PPB

    MF_COOM ,
    LinkedinLenin ,

    Damn wonder how big that is on other instances

    eatmyass ,
    @eatmyass@hexbear.net avatar

    lemmy.ml/comment/2904374

    I tried to make it bigger but my computer is having trouble posting any more ppb

    LinkedinLenin ,

    Jesus Christ lmao

    ElChapoDeChapo ,
    @ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net avatar
    raven ,

    You’re hogging my whole screen kelly

    panopticon ,

    Lol

    Egon ,
    @Egon@hexbear.net avatar
    SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

    Congratulations you are very irritating

    LifeInMultipleChoice ,

    Yeah, I’m just learning to block it and move on.

    gamey ,
    @gamey@feddit.rocks avatar

    Fucking spammer!!!

    philluminati , in Don't give Elon more money.

    I hate Elon musk but Tesla is the best thing that happened to this planet because no other car manufacturer was bothered to do the groundwork required to get electric cars going. They lie and spread corruption before Elon came along.

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  • Skymuffins ,

    Other people are just too awful to share space with. Cars are going to be around as long as people are irritating.

    Weirdfish ,

    I’ve changed jobs, and moved, to get my commute down to 10 min each way.

    As much as I can I ride my motorcycle.

    There is nothing I can do to actually be rid of a car, and people who think that can change in American society are just fooling themselves.

    Sure it would be great to have high speed rail, and a variety of public transit options, none of that is going to change the suburban sprawl.

    RickRussell_CA ,

    While I’m not naive enough to think there will be any meaningful reduction in personal car usage in my remaining lifetime (~20-30 years), I’d like us to START making infrastructure investments that will at least point us in the right direction. But no, it’s endless stroads and sprawl and retail development and single family housing as far as the eye can see.

    masterspace ,

    Many people spend their whole lives in cities like New York never owning a car.

    Its not absurd to expect Americans to never own cars it’s absurd to expect it to happen before you built cities that enable car free lifestyles. People like to frame it as chicken and egg but it’s not, density and lifestyle always follow transportation infrastructure.

    _danny ,

    We are not to the point of climate change where we can expect rapid, radical changes to the way the majority of Americans live. And when we hit that point, it won’t be made by complaining to the people driving cars, it will be made by politicians abolishing zoning laws, setting stronger restrictions on rent within cities, and heavy investment into public transportation.

    Blaming the huge number of people who can’t afford to live in a city and must drive an hour each way for work just makes you an asshole.

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  • larvyde ,

    Where did I blame anyone?

    When you called them heroin addicts?

    Morcyphr ,

    I’m not meaning to be disrespectible here, but if you think zoning laws, rent restrictions, or public transportation will have any noticeable impact on climate change, you’re kidding yourself.

    masterspace ,

    A) society is not planned by a god that sees the most optimal path and picks it, it works like evolution tweaking and building and slightly shifting what came before it. Do you have a viable plan for convincing 7 billion people to give up their cars without literal revolution in the streets? No? Then guess, what, cars might be part of the future.

    B) from a basic ablist standpoint how are you going to get a frail 90 year old woman from the train station or her house without using a car? On a special bike with extra suspension and an enclosed carriage and a motor to haul all of that? Oh look you’ve designed a Pontiac Aztec!

    Should we all use trains? Yes. Should we all support the government buildout of more trains? Very yes. But it is flat out dogmatic to the point of absurdity to suggest that the future of transportation will not involve electric cars? Absolutely.

    cogman ,

    Bingo. They are better than burning fuel, full stop. Further EV shipping is also a net good. Biking and walking is the best, but if you are like me you live 10+ miles from work with no public transport to fill the gaps. It was either that or getting fucked over with rent.

    People down on EVs are letting perfect be the enemy of good.

    idefix ,

    The best thing that happened transportation-wise is walkable cities. No car will beat that.

    Asswaterpirate , in its even more outdated

    I wish people would stop using the Crowder meme template.

    spckls ,

    Why?

    ChillPenguin ,

    Because he’s an asshole. A grifting asshole to be specific.

    dandroid ,

    I feel like I would never get along with anyone who has an attitude of “I believe X. Change my mind.” I can’t imagine anyone starting a conversation that way is not an asshole.

    sock ,

    i used to think it was a cool argument style like 6 years ago (i was probably 14) til i learned he was a nut and the change my mind is because of the republican (and religous) fear of being wrong not because he ever wanted his mind changed

    i almost took the pill tho i luckily saved myself using critical thinking and not really caring about politics. i just wanted to hear a “smart” guy talk.

    spckls ,

    Oh i get it now. The person in the photo is an asshole in real life. It only took me a day of wondering why would someone be an asshole for not liking a meme template 😅

    wheeldawg ,

    Oh shit that is him! I never even noticed before. Major ick.

    littlecolt ,

    Same. We even have a nice alternative. postimg.cc/rzvDYFXW

    nigh7y ,

    From now on, I’ll adhere to the “Calvin: Change my mind” meme format. Thank you for your input. 🫡

    Cicraft ,

    How come?

    playxdestroy ,
    @playxdestroy@lemmy.ml avatar

    He’s a right wing piece of shit who constantly says and does the most unhinged shit. Don’t really follow him, but from the top of my head, he mocked George Floyd’s death, he mocks trans people on a regular basis…

    RIP_Apollo , in Louis Rossman is right

    I hate the tribalism regarding Apple products. There are loyal fanboys who won’t hear a bad word about Apple, and then there are Apple haters who criticise everything about them.

    I wish we had some more nuance in this debate. The reality is that there are advantages and disadvantages to Apple products. I’ll outline a few:

    Advantages

    • Long iOS support. Typically you can expect an iPhone to be supported for 5-7 years, which is well above the average in the industry.
    • No bloatware or adverts on the iPhone
    • Better privacy than Google Android/Microsoft Windows
    • High-end hardware, e.g. M1 chip in MacBooks.
    • User friendly design. Nice user experience.

    Disadvantages

    • Overpriced. Seriously all Apple products are more expensive than the competition.
    • Anti-consumer business practices that influence the industry. They normalised removing the headphone jack and using non-removable batteries, which other manufacturers followed. Another anti-consumer practice is using their proprietary Lighting port, rather than USB (luckily the EU should be forcing them to adopt USB-C and removable batteries soon). Also, no SD card slot because they want you to use iCloud
    • Walled garden. No support for side-loading apps
    • Required to use iTunes to add/remove music to the iPhone, which is a problem if you use Linux (you’d have to use Wine to install the Windows version as a workaround)
    SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

    The whole apple ethos is to entirely control your product because you’re too stupid too. You can try to see the nuance in that if you want I suppose, but I’m not really seeing anything meaningful myself.

    gooey ,

    I like to say that there are two Apples, Apple the designer and Apple the business.

    Apple the designer is one of the best in the world. Yes they have blunders but they consistently put out some of the highest quality hardware and software. The current design language of the iPhone is beautiful, MacOS has its issues but it’s a good OS, the seamlesness with which Apple devices work together is nothing short of incredible. They have some of the best engineers and designers in the world and it shows. (I’ll never forgive them for the mouse though, that thing is a travesty)

    Apple the business is a ghoul who hates its users and competition, would rather you buy a new phone than repair your broken one and, if they could, would make your device implode if you do anything they don’t approve of. I’m still waiting for them to be benevolent enough to allow me to code on an M1 iPad, a device that has all the power of a mac but is completely knee capped by its OS.

    I love Apple the designer, but unfortunately Apple the business makes it impossible for me to support them.

    xyguy ,

    This is a great point. Anyone that says that the MacBook is a piece of crap has never used one (other than the first gen 12 inch MacBook) they are awesome and the design is great.

    MacOS on the other hand really gets on my nerves and all of their anti-consumer stuff is enough for me to avoid them entirely. I won’t even call them overpriced because a PC similarly equipped with a monitor as nice as theirs is just as much.

    I wish there was a hardware designer as good as Apple on the PC side but because they are so good people excuse abhorrent business practices. You don’t see people vehemently defending stupid things that Dell does for instance.

    RIP_Apollo ,

    Great point. I can’t think of another company in the phone/computer industry that has such a cult following, that it allows them to get away with awful business practices without criticism from its loyal fan base.

    I would also love to see a competitor to Apple make equally great products without all the awful business practices… Although I think the sad reality is that Apple’s anti-consumer practices earns them so much money, that it allows them to spend more on UX design, R&D, hardware etc and create better products.

    As for the “overpriced” description, I’d say it’s a bit more debatable for a MacBook, but it’s a lot more noticeable on Apple’s other products (The most egregious example, of course, is the infamous $999 monitor stand). Even the accessories, such as a simple charger or adapter, will require you to pay the Apple Tax too.

    xyguy ,

    Oh man I already forgot about that monitor stand. Yeah that’s the kind of ridiculous stuff that people should be angry about.

    RIP_Apollo ,

    Well said. I agree with your point. I love Apple designs/products but hate Apple business practices.

    I guess my point is that people who buy an Apple product know that it’s a package deal. For instance, you know that you will get a beautiful high-end iPhone but you can’t side load apps. So it’s a case of weighing up the advantages and disadvantages.

    And yes, I agree that the Magic Mouse is poorly designed, which is uncharacteristic of Apple. I was given one from work to use with my work-issued MacBook. And it was only when my mouse battery ran out for the first time that I discovered that you can’t charge and use the mouse at the same time! So frustrating!

    Syldon ,
    @Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

    I use Iphone and Ipad just for the banking. I distrust Android. It is an open system, and used a lot more for data collection than Apple’s ecosystem is. The return you get from a data request between apple and an Android system is vast. I refuse to use Facebook and the likes.

    I never buy the latest edition of Iphone anymore. I have done in the past, but the idea of spending £1200 on a phone seems stupid to me. I have very few apps on both the Iphone and Ipad. I use a PC for other stuff. Iphone hardware is good with the CPU side of things, but the cameras are very inferior compared to some android phones.

    I use a windows PC to move my own music to my iphone, but it is a hampered system. I really do not understand why they have not been brought to the spotlight of the monopolies commission because of how bad they hinder transfers. I have a process I have to follow to get new music on my iphone. Anyone who wants movies on their apple products should look at VLC. It is the easiest method. I should add I haven’t added new music for a long time. This could have changed, but I would be sceptical until I saw it for myself.

    I look down on anyone buying a Macbook. They are total dogcrap, and massively overpriced. They are designed to fail in many areas, the latest being the SSDs that are causing surges in the motherboard, which destroys it. Apple constructively inhibits any repairs behind software encoding and pressure it puts on 3rd party suppliers. They lobby US government to restrict self repairs. You are literally throwing money into Apple’s bank account for very little return.

    natebluehooves ,

    Intel macbooks deserve the hate, but the apple silicon ones are genuinely impressive to the point of being worth it until the competition catches up in terms of ARM performance, especially in terms of battery life.

    Syldon ,
    @Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

    When was the last time Apple used an Arm chips over intel ? According to the Wiki, this was 2005. X86 software and GPUs were behind apple by quite a way back then. Did they still add Arm to later versions?

    Originally X86 was not built with graphics processing in mind. It did not really show anything worth while until the Nvidia viper GPUs in the mid 90s. Prior to that Amiga had the best for graphics processing. I seem to remember Lightshow being the software for Amiga (don’t quote me on that, it is from memory). PC became the best for gaming when Voodoo release their first card (possibly 97/98), but they still could not compete with an Apple in graphic processing. Amiga had fell away by this time.

    1993_toyota_camry ,
    @1993_toyota_camry@beehaw.org avatar

    When was the last time Apple used an Arm chips over intel ?

    Today.

    All their computers are Arm now.

    Syldon ,
    @Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

    Sorry, but Techreader agrees with me on this one. Apple Macbooks are simply not worth the money spent on them. Techreader does not mention the way Apple inhibits servicing or upgrades. A problem that does not exist at that level on the PC platform. Even with a laptop the CPU, memory and HDD are interchangeable. Apple does not want you to upgrade; they want you to spend 10X the cost by buying a whole new product.

    1993_toyota_camry ,
    @1993_toyota_camry@beehaw.org avatar

    How is that in any way related to whether or not they use ARM chips, which was the only thing I responded to?

    Syldon ,
    @Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

    Because of the conversation thread.

    [email protected] indicated that my opinion was out of touch. Since you say his opinion is based on current editions of Apple Macbooks, then my original statements still holds up that current Macbooks are a bad purchase all round.

    This is not a remark towards your input, and only that my opinion has not changed.

    fedwards9965 ,
    @fedwards9965@mastodon.online avatar

    @Syldon @1993_toyota_camry I bought a Macbook Pro in 2008 and used it happily (with little performance degradation) until 2018 when the displays logic board died and that vintage wasn't being supplied any longer.

    I've honestly never heard of a PC laptop lasting 10 years like that, except maybe by grannies who put it in a cozy every night, just play solitaire on the thing and never heard of a Windows update.

    Syldon ,
    @Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

    Lol, seriously my friend do not repeat that argument. OFC people use very old PCs. If you had a mac running for 10 years, this is not a regular event. The guy mentioned in this post, Louis Rossman, has made a lot of cash from pointing out the flaws behind the Macbook design. He makes a good living repairing them.

    The company I worked for had 286 PCs running the stock system all the way up till 2013. This is a PC that was running for 24 years before they considered replacing it. The company was not some back street mickey mouse set up who didn’t want to spend cash. This was one of the major car companies. Large companies do not change things that are critical to the operation without a lot of effort to makes sure it goes right. They rely heavily on old systems because they know they work. This is very much the case across a lot of large companies.

    fedwards9965 ,
    @fedwards9965@mastodon.online avatar

    @Syldon and I run a file server that's now 16 years old, running Linux as happily as the day we bought it... of course, after it's had its CPU, memory and hard drives upgraded multiple times. For 3 times the price of a Mac of the same vintage and no idea after the upgrades.

    I never meant to imply you couldn't get quality PC gear, you very much can, but as soon as you do you're paying just as much or more than a Mac.

    The PC vs Mac debate was old and tired in the 90s and now it's just dead.

    Syldon ,
    @Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

    I never meant to imply you couldn’t get quality PC gear, you very much can, but as soon as you do you’re paying just as much or more than a Mac.

    I am guessing you think the internet is wrong then.

    fedwards9965 ,
    @fedwards9965@mastodon.online avatar

    @Syldon oh no, indeed not... the internet is the only place to go for accurate, factual and well-rounded and informed information.

    Syldon ,
    @Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

    If it was not for the internet people in the UK would have zero idea just how bad the media is, so I really do not understand your point.

    fedwards9965 ,
    @fedwards9965@mastodon.online avatar

    @Syldon If you put your trust in the internet then I really can't help ya, mate.

    But hey, you do you, right? 👍🏼

    Syldon ,
    @Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

    So tell me. Where is the best place to trust?

    fedwards9965 ,
    @fedwards9965@mastodon.online avatar

    @Syldon for "blind trust"...? absolutely no where.

    If you want to form an educated respectable opinion then you deal with people that are educated in the field, then listen and learn. Otherwise, an opinion is just vacuous gas.

    The internet and society is full enough with people expelling foul smelling gas as is without adding to it.

    CordanWraith ,

    I don’t know, I have an M1 Mac Mini and it is awful, I’ll never buy another M chip. It’s fast when you’re just using a single program, but having more things open and it slows right to a crawl. Plus it’s inability to do actual virtualisation is a real pain.

    natebluehooves ,

    Very odd… i multitask and run both paravirtualized (arm) and virtualized (x86) linux and windows without issues. You are more likely on the base model and out of RAM.

    CordanWraith ,

    It is the base model, I have about 2gb of ram free but it does run out quickly and due to apple bullshit there’s no way to just open it and upgrade the ram (also, how the hell do they think 8gb is acceptable?). And they’re capable of emulation, but not true virtualisation and things like VirtualBox don’t run at all, unless that’s changed recently because I admit I haven’t looked into it since I found it was impossible after I got the machine.

    Also once I have a single docker container running, it causes things like chrome to crash all the time, and I can’t even run chrome, vscode, insomnia and a docker container together. Absolutely trash machine, doesn’t compare even slightly to my 6 year old i7-8700k machine that’s fully customisable. I don’t see any reason to ever get another arm machine, and definitely not another Mac.

    BorgDrone ,

    8GB is more than enough for someone who only does a little light web browsing and sending the occasional e-mail. Anyone who needs more from their computer is expected to know better and not order the base model. 32GB is workable, 64GB is better.

    BorgDrone ,

    I have a MB pro with M1 Max and 64GB RAM and it’s an absolute beast. I can throw everything at it and it doesn’t break a sweat, and I’m a demanding user. I’m a developer and have a lot of software running all the time, 400+ tabs open in Safari, lots of PDF files and other documents open. I’m also running it with 2 high-res monitors (5k2k ultrawide and a 4k). Lots of work related apps (e.g. Teams, Outlook, and bullshit like that). The fan doesn’t even come on. Not even when I compile a large codebase using all 10 cores. It’s an absolute monster. And all that in a 14” laptop. Easily the best computer I ever used.

    alphapuggle ,

    Apple absolutely can do some great things, but I cannot overlook their anti-consumer practices towards the right to repair. The fact that aftermarket parts have to reuse a chip for the sole reason of marking the serial number the same as the original is ridiculous and should be illegal.

    Also Apple devices are only more “private” in the sense that the prevent third parties from collecting your data (don’t get me wrong, this is great), but then proceed to go and collect the same data for their own uses instead.

    Another baffling thing I found is that you can’t transfer files from the device if iCloud is enabled? That’s fucking crazy to me. I get that it’s not a common thing to do but I had multiple customers ask how they’d get something off, and the answer was to slowly download it from the cloud, if it was something that happened to be backed up.

    RIP_Apollo ,

    Apple devices are only more “private” in the sense that the prevent third parties from collecting your data (don’t get me wrong, this is great), but then proceed to go and collect the same data for their own uses instead.

    While I accept that Apple are far from perfect, my understanding is that even their data collection for their own purposes is still less than the data collection that Google use for their own purposes. And since their are only two major phone OS (Android and iOS), we can only choose between the lesser of the two evils.

    After all, do you want to give your data to a company which is the world’s biggest ad company? Or instead give your data to a company whose business model is convincing people to buy $1000+ phone every year?

    But yeah, I agree that Apple’s anti-consumer practices are awful. I wasn’t aware of the aftermarket parts re-using chips just for the serial numbers and I’m not even the least bit surprised. We need governments to bring in legislation to protect right to repair, because companies like Apple can’t be reasonable.

    alphapuggle ,

    Oh google is for sure worse, they are an ad company primarily afterall

    snowe ,
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    I agree with everything you said except the lightning port. The lightning port came out 4 years before USB C did and it did a much better job than any other port on the market at the time. Apple wasn’t going to make that investment if they weren’t going to stick with it for a while, for one every iPhone user would hate having to switch cables again that quickly, but also there was no guarantee USB C was going to succeed. Apple even participated in creating the USB C spec, as I detailed in another comment. Honestly I think the lightning port is actually better than USB C for what it does: incredibly thin, non clogging, waterproof phone port.

    They should not have used it for other junk like the fucking Magic Mouse or whatever other mice or keyboard peripherals there were used for.

    ejl ,

    The issue isn’t that Apple made the lightning port. The issue is that USB C has been standard on THEIR OWN DEVICES since 2012. I understand not wanting to switch immediately after introducing a new port, but I would argue that USB has been the clear winner ever since the Switch came out in 2017, which was still 6 YEARS ago.

    Apple would not have changed to an objectively better port if it weren’t for the EU regulations.

    Also, lightning better than USB-C? A USB 2.0 port that transfers at 1/100th the speed? You’re insane.

    snowe ,
    @snowe@programming.dev avatar

    It’s literally impossible for USB C to have been

    standard on THEIR OWN DEVICES since 2012.

    It wasn’t even announced until 2012, much less have any sort of spec. The spec wasn’t even finalized by the USB Implementers Forum until 2014 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C

    Apple would not have changed to an objectively better port if it weren’t for the EU regulations.

    … they already switched on all their other devices. Why would they have not switched eventually?

    Also, lightning better than USB-C? A USB 2.0 port that transfers at 1/100th the speed? You’re insane.

    Yes. I don’t give one shit about transfer speed, just like the majority of phone users (not just iPhone users - all phone users). You sync using the cloud. If you’re using a cable to sync you are in the minority

    Syldon ,
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    ArcaneSlime ,

    -Long iOS support. Typically you can expect an iPhone to be supported for 5-7 years, which is well above the average in the industry.

    This I do agree with

    • No bloatware or adverts on the iPhone

    GrapheneOS

    • Better privacy than Google Android/Microsoft Windows

    GrapheneOS on phone, linux on PC.

    • High-end hardware, e.g. M1 chip in MacBooks.

    This I also agree with, but fuck broadcom wifi drivers.

    • User friendly design. Nice user experience.

    Eh, it is “so easy a child could do it,” yes, but the lack of ability to do what I want with my own computer or phone negatively impacts my user experience, personally. This one is way more subjective than people give it credit for tbh.

    spiderman ,

    Isn’t GraphebeOS just for pixel phones?

    ArcaneSlime ,

    Yes, as they are the most secure phones out there for flashing since you can re-lock the bootloader. They’re the only one that lets you do that iirc.

    corsicanguppy ,

    No bloatware or adverts on the iPhone

    Cherry-picked. There are phones without ads or bloat. And, given the incompatibility between facetime/iMessage and apps standardized across all other platforms, I consider these to be bloat.

    User friendly design. Nice user experience.

    Subjective. I support a number of family members whose grandkids suggested iPhones. Whether it’s swooshing, skootching, swiping, tapping or banging it against a guardrail, I haven’t learned and they can’t remember how to bring up the main app screen now that the functional button was removed – like, none of them. I’m just here to fix their email passwords, and I leave the UX issues to said grandkids.

    0x2d ,

    iPhones are easy to use, if you do EVERYTHING their way.

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    MxM111 , in Fediverse users be like

    In fact, forget the Reddit!

    RojoSanIchiban ,

    And the blackjack!

    gamermanh , in The time has come.
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    Have ducks, can confirm food will make you their favorite

    Though for the love of god don’t feed them bread, it’s awful for them

    TeckFire , in 2023-08-09.jpg

    Upvoted because I appreciate the exposure for this dating method, but I personally use it for everything. Much clearer for a lot of reasons IMO. Biggest to smallest pretty much always makes the most sense.

    Zink ,

    I do too, even in notes at work or handwritten stuff at home. I don’t always need to be reminded of the year first, but sometimes it becomes important on older stuff.

    Plus when you’re in the US and work with people from Europe, the unambiguous ordering of month and day is a nice safeguard against silly misunderstandings.

    luciferofastora ,

    …and if I don’t need the year, my eyes simply skip to the dash and continue to read from there.

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