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Comment on a YT video about Windows on ARM

Installing OS, 10 years ago:

Windows: click a couple of buttons enter username and password

Linux: Terminal hacking, downloading shell scripts from github

Installing OS today:

Linux: click a couple of buttons, enter username and password

Windows: Terminal hacking, downloading shell scripts from github.

Link to video: m.youtube.com/watch?v=qKRmYW1D0S0

AlligatorBlizzard ,

It took me two hours from the moment I started popping my laptop case open to add a new SSD to first boot on Linux. And figuring out how to disable secure boot on Acer’s fancy ass BIOS was what took most of the time.

HoornseBakfiets ,

You can use Gnome Disks to do that with buttons instead of opening /etc/fstab

Samsy ,

Maybe Linux is 10 years ahead. Let’s give our windows users some insight about their future:

Don’t remove the French language pack with sudo!

ArbiterXero ,

This took me a minute to figure out 😝

Alexstarfire ,

I don’t get it.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

rm -fr /

JTheFox , (edited )
@JTheFox@lemmy.world avatar

sudo rm -fr /

Add —no-preserve-root if you really want to make sure it’s gone! /j

vaionko ,

–no-preserve-root is only required if you try to remove /. For /* I don’t think it’s needed.

JTheFox ,
@JTheFox@lemmy.world avatar

Ah oops, I didn’t even catch that. Forgot that /* only matches to glob and thus wouldn’t try to remove /

Alexstarfire ,

I know just enough about Linux to know that’s problematic. I don’t know anything about language packs to know why someone try to remove one this way though. Just seems wrong from the get go.

Samsy ,

It’s an old joke:

sudo = admin rights

rm = remove

fr = force recursive (the more popular syntax is

“rf” but for the joke its “fr” which looks like a short form for French)

/ * = C:\

It doesn’t remove the French language pack, it removes the entire harddrive.

Alexstarfire ,

I understood the joke after seeing the command. It was getting the command from the joke that lost me. Cause I’d never have tried removing a language pack like that to begin with.

Jankatarch ,

Tbf it does remove the french language pack.
And then some more.

ImplyingImplications ,

If you have a 64 bit computer, you gotta delete system32.

Chadus_Maximus ,

But what if I hate the fr*nch?

PenisWenisGenius ,

I tried to help my brother, who is a computer scientist to install windows 11 on his new am5 motherboard build. Am5 was really new and even with our combined knowledge it took all day of fucking with it to find a way to get windows 11 to recognize the m2 ssd. We had to load it with an older driver from the manufactures website and we had to do some kind of shenanigans to get the installer to actually recognize the files. Iirc this was a gigabyte motherboard, a reputable brand.

This was when am5 was newer so it’s kind of understandable I guess, but I also installed arch for troubleshooting purposes that day and it only took 30 minutes 🤷

based_shrimp ,
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Usually got problems with Windows not recognizing drives during install only on Gigabyte mobos. Turning off all forms of Fast Boot in BIOS fixed it for me, but it was an older motherboard (one for AMD FX series, IIRC).

Avatar_of_Self ,

To be fair, I find that people with a Computer Science degree are pretty much just like most other users except that they need more privileged access somewhere because they are usually software developers or somewhere in that orbit. A Computer Science degree does not prepare someone to be a sysadmin. That doesn’t mean they can’t be an excellent one but it certainly isn’t because of their degree path.

MalReynolds ,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

And when I switched mobos from Intel to AMD, it just booted (Arch then). Couldn’t believe it, just went.

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

Love Linux, but had to wipe it from my system due to frustrating incompatibilities with my NVidia setup. I will pick Mint back up when I get another PC though, with the goal being to keep a Windows setup only for gaming and nothing else.

sleepy ,

Dualbooting with nvidia atm. Using other drivers than the nvdia one in linux. Most things work except a few games. Highly recommend it

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

Word.

I ran a dual boot setup for about six weeks, but the performance issues and bugs just got too annoying over time.

I’m planning to get a new PC later this year for gaming. Just gonna wipe windows off this one and make it my “all other stuff” system when that time comes. :)

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

I waited to install Linux until I put in another drive to dual-boot, and proceeded to never go back to my windows install.
I was surprised at how easy it was to get things running, and any difficulties I had were mostly the result of me assuming things were more complicated than they are and not looking for simple solutions.

zod000 ,

That sucks, I guess I have been fortunate that my I haven’t had any major issues with either of my Nvidia cards using the proprietary drivers. Are you using the 4000 series cards? I haven’t tried them as my 3070 is still doing fine and has been since release.

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

It may be due in part to age. Partly why I’m replacing my laptop is that gaming hardware stayed pretty accessible for three years, but this year has leapt forward significantly and my laptop isn’t keeping up as well as it used to.

It’ll be a perfect PC for non-gaming though. :)

Avatar_of_Self ,

Just a heads up, if you use an AMD GPU, the drivers are built into the Linux kernel itself by AMD engineers (and others helping/supporting/contributing to the kernel like themselves). So you don’t even have drivers to install, unless you’re one of the 10 people that want to use AMD GPUs for Machine Learning. Then you’d do a quick install of AMD PRO (those are proprietary so that’s why they aren’t built into the kernel).

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

That’s good to know for the future. Thanks!

msage ,

Laughs in Gentoo

uis ,

Compiles in Gentoo

uis ,

Also horses in Gentoo

luciddaemon ,

I remember 2014 being pretty easy to install Linux. Windows 7 and 10 were also pretty easy then.

AGuyAcrossTheInternet ,

Haha, you're so silly! The meme says 10 years ago and not—
…

My god, it really has been ten years since 2014, hasn't it?

kittenzrulz123 ,

2004 was twenty years ago :|

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

2004 is when we got Ubuntu, and if I recall correctly Mandrake was also rather easy to install.

kittenzrulz123 ,

Tbh I would rather use Debian, I use Debian today and if I knew about Debian back then I would be using it

stinerman ,
@stinerman@midwest.social avatar

If Back to the Future was made today, Marty would have traveled back to 1994.

CraigeryTheKid ,

Wow that… Stings a little

bitwaba ,

I think you mean “Great Scot!”

MonkeMischief ,

It was “Great Scott!” but the DeLorean smashed through the second “t” in the past. 🌲🌲

Holzkohlen ,

I remember breaking my Ubuntu install a bunch of times when trying to install nvidia drivers and flash player to watch YouTube.

jaybone ,

I was breaking redhat and fedora trying to install wifi drivers for pcmcia wifi cards. So much modprobe. That’s why I switched to Ubuntu.

Siegfried ,

2012’s debian (I think it was 6, which was my first one) was pretty straight forward to install even for a newbie

TheGrandNagus ,

Yeah this is more like what Linux was like to install in the 90s or very early 2000s.

Installers haven’t really changed in the past 10 years

NorthWestWind ,
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You don’t download shell scripts from github for windows. You download batch scripts and exes from random file hosting sites, and they don’t even fix your problem.

MonkderDritte ,

They probably talk about the unlocker script.

Zikeji ,
@Zikeji@programming.dev avatar

The post is describing the scripts to disable telemetry, OneDrive, ads, etc.

MonkderDritte ,

But the thread not.

Prunebutt ,

You’ll be lucky if it’s even hosted on random hosting sites and not some discord channel.

4am ,

iTs iN tHe PiNnEd cOmMeNtS bRo

DontMakeMoreBabies ,

Oh how I hate Discord.

the_crotch ,

CMD is a shell, homes.

Deckweiss ,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_(computing)

tldr: batch is a scripting language, which interacts with the windows shell, so in that way it is a shell script.

sorry for being pedantic, hope this info is interesting for somebody anyway

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

some random .exe from mediafire to install drivers

or one of those shady ones with tons of ads and slow ass downloads.

OfficerBribe ,

Talking here about regular x64 OS install not ARM though, have not played with that myself.

Not really, it is usually PowerShell scripts from trusted blogs or in case of local account creation, you run a batch file that is built in installer (oobe\bypassnro) that adds a single registry value. Not sure I would call this hacking. Then again I don’t think Linux 10 years again had problems with account creation as well.

Would be nicer if you could create local account out of the box? Sure. Do some prefer MS account? Also true.

TrickDacy ,

I didn’t use a terminal to install Linux 20 years ago…

deegeese ,

25 years sounds about right

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

people here seem to think 20 years ago was the 90s…

brlemworld ,

Windows was never that easy. You forgot, waiting for a hour and retrying steps

snekerpimp ,

Install MacOS X: get a bopping song from Röyksopp

Ferris ,

🎶you know we’re happy up here🎵

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