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Kolanaki , in The finals game doesnt run on linux so i switched back to windows 11.
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Nah, it doesn’t work because the developer doesn’t want it to. EAC works really well on Linux, the developer just has to enable it, which takes literally less than 10 seconds.

All the developer needs to do is push a button to make EAC work. They’re probably busy hotfixing the 1.0 but I’m sure it’ll work soon, they are excluding all steam deck users by not pressing it

If it’s that easy, why isn’t there a mod or fix for people on Linux to do it themselves?

Illecors ,

Precision guesswork here, but probably because it’s serverside.

Kolanaki ,
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I guess I didn’t even think about the possibility that the servers are also running on Windows. Who does that? Ew.

seliaste ,
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No… They meant that the way EAC works is configured from the game’s developper end. Just like how you can’t mod your equipment in MMOs because your data is being stored on the game’s server

strongarm ,

It’s configured from EAC, not in code.

pHr34kY ,

It would be server-side.

Kolanaki ,
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Hack the server to add anti-hack. /s

DarkThoughts ,

Bypassing anticheat systems is possible, "hackers" do it all the time, but would result in a ban if caught.

DarkThoughts , in The finals game doesnt run on linux so i switched back to windows 11.

*Linux is all good if you don't play competitive multiplayer games where the developers don't want to enable EAC for Linux.

There, fixed that for you.
Surprised that people even still play Nexon trash to be honest.

caustictrap OP ,

Any game that you dont enjoy is trash, got it.

DarkThoughts ,

No. Nexon is a well known F2P trash publisher for decades now. Maybe stop your kneejerk reactions and try to see thinks more objectively.

peopleproblems , in Debian for Gaming

nice. this gives me the incentive to continue down that path. already have one TB SSD for if, not hard to add a second

redcalcium , in Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney was asked by Verge why there is no support for the Steam Deck for Fortnite

Kinda weird when both Unreal Engine and EAC, both owned by Epic, actually already have Linux/Proton support, yet games that exclusive to Epic Store won’t support Linux, or drop Linux support once they become Epic Store exclusives.

Rose ,

Rocket League dropped its native Linux support to upgrade to DirectX 11. If the move to Epic were the reason and the justification is fake, why did the game also drop Mac support despite it being supported by the Epic launcher?

Previously, games like Rust and Valve’s own CS 2 stopped supporting Linux and Mac without any store changes.

redcalcium ,

You raised a good point about rocket league, which seems to be using the ancient unreal engine 3. Epic basically updated ue3 to support directx11 but neglect updating vulkan/metal support on the old engine. But Fortnite is using unreal engine 5 though, which has excellent Linux support. Epic had a presentation bragging about how they got Fortnite running on Vulkan as “same game, not port”, so the decision to not support Linux is certainly not a technical one.

savvywolf , in The finals game doesnt run on linux so i switched back to windows 11.
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Bait post aside, I never really understood why people make a big deal of “switching” to Linux or back to Windows.

An OS install is like 60 GiB. If you’re a pro hacker gamer you probably have over a TiB of fast storage. Just keep the Windows install around and dual boot into it when/if you need it.

Pains me to see people saying “I permanently switched to Linux and deleted my Windows install”, when you can keep it around for emergencies or modding.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Yup.

I have only booted into my Windows install like 2-3 times in the past 5-10 years or so. But I still have it, it just lives on a separate SSD and I just forget it exists. I’ve only booted in to set up Minecraft Bedrock (kids wanted cross play, but their friends flaked), one time to run updates (was going to upgrade to Win 11, but it hated my processor; maybe my new one works), and to test a couple things in Windows. That’s it.

When Microsoft EOLs Win 10, I might go through the trouble of upgrading it again. I don’t see much value in it, but it costs me nothing to keep it around. I’m not even sure if it still works after I upgraded the CPU and GPU, but I guess I’ll find out the next time I try to boot it.

caustictrap OP ,

If i use both, that will give me less incentive to be on linux , because windows even though it is annoying with microsoft bloat, everything just works and i will stay there because life is easier.

KISSmyOS , in The finals game doesnt run on linux so i switched back to windows 11.

OK. Use the OS that fits your use case.
But posting “Linux sucks, Windows is better” on a Linux community isn’t helpful.

caustictrap OP ,

More like anticheat is holding back the adoption of linux and linux adoption/recommendation will be easier if all the games works.

aport , in Is anyone using Debian Sid for gaming?

I use regular bookworm with steam/Mesa/proton installed as flatpak

Works great, 10/10

lal309 OP ,

Are you running into system access limitations? For example, mesa or proton needing to access system files, services or whatever.

c10l ,

You can give flatpaks permissions for those. Flatseal is a great GUI for that if that’s your thing.

warmaster , in ChimeraOS using iGOU for Gamescope and Nvidia GPU via PRIME

Damn, I was hoping to migrate my last windows PC to Linux using Bazzite-nvidia. I guess I won’t. My main rig (AMD) is running Manjaro, my Homelab is on Fedora Server, but I have a 3080TI on Windows 10… damn.

randomaside OP , (edited )
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I tried this specifically to get Alan Wake 2 to work (with the 3080ti) and it is a less than spectacular experience as most of the effects on the game (shadowy figures, screen distortions, Ray Tracing) do not work properly in comparison to running on windows.

In bazzite-nvidia’s defense, it does just “work” but only to the extent that the Nvidia driver works. This is still more of nvidias issue and less bazzite-nvidia. Regular Bazzite with a 5700xt worked very well.

joneskind , in Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney was asked by Verge why there is no support for the Steam Deck for Fortnite
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Imagine being the editor of a cross-platform game engine and pretending you don’t have enough developers to port the games you developed for other platforms…

What’s your message here Timmy huh?

“Our game engine is so shitty that even us can’t afford to develop our games on Linux with it”

What a fraud…

neveraskedforthis ,

They literally just need to enable it in the dev page of EAC and Proton handles the reat.

DeathsEmbrace ,

Every engine in this generation has the ability to do multibuilds. The networking and security will be the only thing other than that. This is Unreal Engines official Linux documentation so it’s all bullshit. docs.unrealengine.com/4.27/…/GettingStarted/

woelkchen ,
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A good amount of Hollywood film production uses Unreal Engine these days and the same companies let Linux servers render the results.

gila , (edited ) in The finals game doesnt run on linux so i switched back to windows 11.

All the developer needs to do is push a button to make EAC work. They’re probably busy hotfixing the 1.0 but I’m sure it’ll work soon, they are excluding all steam deck users by not pressing it

Edit: apparently it’s not EAC that is the problem. The game has its own anti-cheat which also potentially bans your account if you try to play on linux www.protondb.com/app/2073850

ElectroLisa ,
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The Finals use EAC and their own anti-cheat, the latter causes issues

gila ,

thanks, edited to correct

be_excellent_to_each_other ,
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Edit: apparently it’s not EAC that is the problem. The game has its own anti-cheat which also potentially bans your account if you try to play on linux www.protondb.com/app/2073850

So it's 100% the developer's choices that have resulted in this train wreck of a thread.

savvywolf , in Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney was asked by Verge why there is no support for the Steam Deck for Fortnite
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(Copied from a comment I made in another community about this)

There’s an interesting issue here that shows Linux support is a cultural thing, not a business thing.

They’ve presented it as “it doesn’t make sense to financially support Linux due to low player count.” But they don’t need to provide official support, they just need to tick a box and say “yeah, we don’t support this, do it at your own risk.”

From a purely financial point of view, Linux support is almost free. If you release your game, a bunch of developers off of your payroll will just add Linux support. You don’t even need to give them technical support because they use an unsupported platform.

To use business lingo, blocking Linux support is just leaving money on the table.

But I think a lot of companies feel like they have to have full control of everything. That everything they do most be fully supported and approved by them. That they are scared of letting the community take charge of things because it might tarnish your brand or whatever.

They are worried that there’ll be graphical bugs or something and that’ll make Fornight look bad, so it’s better for their brand image to just block everything they don’t have control over.

It’s a worrying pattern I’ve seen in a few places, including Mozilla of all things.

… Or maybe it’s just that Epic are too stubborn to accept help and contributions from anyone else, especially their “enemies”.

I have been wondering why they don’t just take Heroic launcher and add a skin around it to make an “official” launcher. It’s probably just because they are too prideful to support anything open source or Valve. They think that they need to make their own thing, rather than using existing code.

Sorry for the rambling post, but I think this situation is more due to an unhealthy company culture than “lol 2% market share” as they present it.

slimerancher ,
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They probably just don’t want to make it available on steam, or get their client working on linux.

Rustmilian , (edited )
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The thing is, they don’t have to. We have Heroic/Legendary Games Launcher, and Lutris too.

Telodzrum ,

I’ve gotten all my Epic Games Store games working in Lutris and/or Heroic. Fall Guys was the only one I had any real trouble with.

520 ,

They probably don't want to make Heroic the official way to play Fortnite on the Steam Deck either.

0x4F50 ,

Install sunshine/moonlight on a PC and deck pair, and you should be able to play Epic Games from the heroic launcher. I didn’t get much into it at the time, but you can shortcut games in the moonlight client so everything starts when it’s selected. Without setup, you can already stream desktop mode, open Heroic and start there.

I don’t use the deck, but I do stream to a micro Linux box connected to my TV and an Xbox controller.

Atemu ,
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To use business lingo, blocking Linux support is just leaving money on the table.

And not even a little.

The current HW survery says that about 1.9% of Steam users are on Linux. According to 3rd party sources, there’s on the order of 120M to 130M people who used Steam this year. Extrapolating the HW survey, that’s about 2.5M Linux on Linux users.

Fortnite is leaving money from ~2.5M possible customers on the table because of stupid ideology.

cashews_best_nut ,

The CEO of Epic is a world renowned twat.

greenfish ,
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Sweeney doesn’t want his games to be available anywhere but Epic’s proprietary shit. Which is hilarious given his crusades against Apple and Google

nitefox ,

Rules for thee not for me

Goferking0 ,

Nah that’s precisely why he’s on the crusade so epic will be free to do that and he thinks it’ll make him look like the good guy when they do it

Buddahriffic ,

Meanwhile, I’m glad that lawsuit happened but wish it had been anyone else because fuck epic.

cows_are_underrated ,

Linux support is almost free.

It also gives you a lot of value, since Linux users are better at reporting bugs(i saw a post from a developer who called this out) and therefore it’s easier to find and fix them. A bug free game is something everyone benefits from. If Linux users see bugs more often and therefore report them more often you save a lot of money since you don’t have to pay people who test your game.

andrew_bidlaw ,
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Isn’t official support legally binding, or seen as that by a regular consumer, or their board? Like, they just don’t provide anything to other OS unless they can troubleshoot here. And they are donation-based too, meaning they are very alarmed about any liability, or any unpredictable sutuation at all, since both cash and questionable consent are involved.

I don’t thing Deck can take a dent here, but there are a lot of cheap chromebooks and the likes in edu, where their primary targets are. I think they can bank on it. But it’s good they weren’t as smart to do so.

BirdyBoogleBop , in Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney was asked by Verge why there is no support for the Steam Deck for Fortnite
onlinepersona ,

Despite how much people hate this dude, which is understandable because he’s only doing this for money, it’s good that Google’s shady practices were brought to light. I do wonder if it’ll actually have an impact. The judge hasn’t spoken yet, correct?

Duamerthrax ,

Enemy of your enemy can still be your enemy. It’s unlikely the Google vs Epic case will amount to anything for us personally.

ViscloReader , in Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney was asked by Verge why there is no support for the Steam Deck for Fortnite

What did he meant by The Linux problem?

Rustmilian ,
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

He means Linux had sex with his wife and now he’s mad.

parpol ,

In defense of his wife, Linux is too hot to refuse sex with.

TheBat ,
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Which distro?

Rustmilian ,
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cows_are_underrated ,

When the operating system you are using has more sex than you.

TwanHE ,

He means they have a problem with Linux users. What other reason would there be to buy up games and remove native Linux support the second its removed from the steam store? (Rocket League for example)

Chewy7324 ,

The Epic Games Store doesn’t have a Linux client, so it’s understandable from a business perspective to not develop a product no new customers will be able to buy.

It’s a middle finger to existing customers though, especially with the outdated Linux version being downloaded by default. They should prioritize proton to enable online play on multiplayer game, but as established, they don’t care about Steam Linux users

Rustmilian , (edited )
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We already have Heroic/Legendary Games Launcher, and Lutris too.

Chewy7324 ,

Yes, those launchers are great. But I don’t think Epic will ever acknowledge third-party clients exist, so their existence makes no difference from their perspective.

Rustmilian ,
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Ofc not. They have shriveled dick syndrome and hate consumer freedom.

GustavoM ,
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Eh… “gaslighting 101” – swears randomly (against the victim/target), throws in a (non-random) praise to “raise the fire even more”, refuses to elaborate.

ElderWendigo ,

Linux users have too much self respect and expect too much privacy and control over their own devices. That’s a problem.

atmur ,

I think he means the whole “Not enough users to justify porting applications, users don’t use it because applications don’t support it” thing.

The problem is that logic has been dead for years. Users are here. The Steam Deck is wildly popular. Tim Sweeney is just a dumbass.

Duamerthrax , in Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney was asked by Verge why there is no support for the Steam Deck for Fortnite

Not having Fortnite sounds more like a feature than a fault.

hperrin , in Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney was asked by Verge why there is no support for the Steam Deck for Fortnite

Fuck Tim Sweeney.

uis ,
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Nvidia in the other castle

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