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blindbunny ,

Carnists well do anything to eat meat

Jiggle_Physics ,

Oh no, meat grown in a way that doesn’t harm sentient beings! How awful!

VaalaVasaVarde ,

Oh come on veggist, I eat you and you eat me, in a consensual lab grown way.

And I am just kidding, not even sure I am on board with this, i think eating lab grown cow meat would be less upsetting.

blindbunny ,

It’s just frustrating. Despite study after study showing that consumption of meat leads to poor health, people keep doing it. It just reminds me of being an addict. Other people saying this causes less harm to other sentient beings are right I’ll conceded to that but based off everything I know, the consumption of meat isn’t an act of self love. I may just be sensitive because my mother is dying of stomach disease. Beans and rice vegan steps off soap box

LarmyOfLone ,

Could we genetically engineer a synthetic meat cell line that is healthy enough to eat?

blindbunny ,

We’re humans, we can do anything we put our minds to. I’m not a geneticist nor nutritionist so there’s no way I could tell you for certain. But the more I think of this question the more Jeff Goldblum’s line from Jurassic Park comes to mind.

“Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should."

LarmyOfLone ,

Haha but it’s yummy! This would be the easiest way to get rid of agricultural meat production for ethical and environmental reasons.

Of course for many species of cows it will be an extinction event.

blindbunny ,

Yeah and cocaine is fun to do too. Doesn’t mean it’s healthy.

It wouldn’t end animal agriculture. It would just become the vinyl record collectors version of meat consumption.

It saddens me that you believe the only reason for cows existence is because of humans.

If I may suggest donating some time at your local animal sanctuary to meet a cow. Much like dogs or cats they each have very different personalities. They can be very cuddly if they get to know you. Like most herbivores they just want to have good vibes and enjoy their life.

LarmyOfLone ,

Sorry that was a bit hyperbole it would never be an all or nothing. You’d always have limited grass fed animal husbandry for milk and cheese. But my thought was that there should be some sort of rewilding effort for cows or Buffaloes or whatever their wild form even is or was in Europe.

And I was thinking in the way of harm reduction which is a tactic for drug. You won’t convince a majority of people to not want meant so the demand will be there. So practically artificial meat is the only way.

blindbunny ,

As long as meat is sold for profit, animals well suffer.

Synthetic milk (chemically the same as cow’s milk but from yeast) well be in grocery store shelves in the next 5 years. Idk if synthetic cheese will be though. Probably need to test interest/spend time culturing it.

I’m familiar with “harm reduction” as a “vegan evangelist” of sorts it’s generally my goal with my time in this reality. There will be a time when it’s taboo to consume an animal. It’s just won’t be within our life times.

Idk if your vegan but it appears we mostly agree. Lovely chatting with you.

x4740N ,

Oh look cherry picked studies

If you look hard enough you can find any study to support your claim with enough word crafting

blindbunny ,

You need to learn what cherry picking is. These are studies funded by governments. Not meat packing corporations.

But I’m sure I can post some PFAS studies you can deny too.

x4740N ,

I knew one of you would show up in this post and make it all about you

This post isn’t about you

blindbunny ,

Your right it’s not. It’s about your poor health.

NegativeLookBehind ,
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

Would any of you care to taste my meat?

Iheartcheese ,
@Iheartcheese@lemmy.world avatar

I would try this in a fucking heartbeat

PunnyName ,

Fuck yeah, I might lose weight!

TexasDrunk ,

Ethically sourced human? Same. Sign me the fuck up. Not for a subscription or anything, but I really want to try it.

AlligatorBlizzard ,

Remember that guy on Reddit who claims he had to have his leg amputated and he somehow got to keep it, and he and his friends cooked and ate it?

That’s weird, but as long as it remains their own, or consenting others, I think it’s fine. The minute capitalism gets involved I think it becomes exploitative and unethical - long pork in the grocery store fundamentally should not be a thing.

GluWu ,

God help me if I live in some commie zone where they take my amputated body parts to give to everyone. I grew those and they’re mine! Fuck your science, I wanna eat my foot.

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

Who gave a Resident Evil villager access to Lemmy 💀

Pothetato ,
@Pothetato@lemmy.world avatar

This is fine. I probably taste good.

NegativeInf ,

Yes. You consented. It’s just more you.

Samvega ,

I already have enough of me to go around.

NegativeInf ,

Sounds like you don’t need to eat for a while then.

Non-issue or skill issue. Pick your poison.

Samvega ,

I’ll pick not being a dick to strangers online, thanks.

edgemaster72 ,
@edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

without causing harm to animals

  • Humans are animals
  • Growing me-steak and eating it causes psychic damage
  • Therefore, an animal was harmed
Godric OP ,

If we cultured cells from someone with an autocannibalism fetish, would it then be OK?

Like I take 1d4 psychic damage whenever I see furries at cons, but I don’t think they should have to be banned

Ziglin ,

I don’t think you can generalize that. I’d love to have little me-steaks and I’d even share them with friends, especially if they can be a Möbius strip.

As long as the human chooses to grow their me-steaks themselves I see no issue.

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

I mean you have to buy it on your own accord, culture your own cells, and then successfully cook and eat them. As long as you aren’t stealing other people’s cells to eat them without their consent it seems more ethical than the current meat industry.

Godric OP ,

But it’s still cannibalism, yeah? If someone consented to be eaten before they died or even wished for it, would you be OK with eating them?

jws_shadotak ,

would you be OK with eating them

are they yummy ?

Godric OP ,

Haven’t tried it, you’ll have to make your own judgement there!

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

We have to draw some sort of line here though. Will this give you prions? Does this end the person’s life like traditional cannibalism usually does? Theres a lot to unpack in these tiny man steaks. I’d still rather people be growing their own meat at home in a petri dish than having animals locked in cages for eternity.

Godric OP ,

In the current hypothetical:

  1. It’s screened, you can’t legally sell prion meat
  2. It’s taken nonlethally as a sample from a consenting human, possibly you
Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Ethical

Astronauticaldb ,

So, if it were the original cells, then it would be autocannibalism, since these are cloned cells (from what I gather) it’s technically not the same thing. [Edit: Personally, it’s a bit of a tossup in my mind. I don’t think it’s unethical, but it’s still a weird thing]

Godric OP ,

Yeah, I’m also unsure how I feel about it, I asked because it’s such a strange thing to think about

x4740N ,

Well your body technically canabalises itself if you starve to death

garbagebagel ,

This is unironically one of my favourite questions to ask new friends. I’ve gotten a variety of answers, but my own response has always been yes, if the person was healthy and had clearly consented.

In my opinion, cannibalism is bad for two main reasons, 1) it can be unsafe if the person was ill, the meat has spoiled, or if it’s done too often (this has been studied in cannibalistic rituals) and 2) it’s unethical if the person doesn’t consent to it.

Eating animal meat is non consensual and there can be diseases in there too - many people have died from it. Just because it’s more socially acceptable, I don’t really see it as an ethically better decision.

I would 100% at least try my own home grown meat cells.

Godric OP ,

Damn, I love your response, even though I don’t know of I agree! Are you Vegan?

I personally see it as No, because I see us humans as special. Speaking as an atheist, end of day, we are special as humans.

I eat meat, I try to limit it to the ethically harvested. Hunted, family farm grown, it even tastes the best, any concerns aside. But eating a person is WRONG, consent or no.

Guntrigger ,

It’s interesting that you ask if they are vegan, as if understanding the ethical problems of eating meat would only be valid if you are also strictly vegan.

You evidently understand it is not completely ethically correct to eat animals in all circumstances, as you say you only eat ethically harvested meat. But you also say you believe humans to be special as a reason to eat animals, so why not eat all animals under all circumstances?

The main point though, why would it still be wrong to eat human meat if lab grown and consensual?

abfarid ,
@abfarid@startrek.website avatar

Why is it wrong though? And why/how are people special? You didn’t provide any reasoning to either.

garbagebagel ,

I’m not vegan or vegetarian anymore because I have a lot of allergies that prevent me from eating plant based anything. But I also try to limit it to locally and ethically harvested when I do eat meat.

I identify as agnostic and definitely don’t believe that any one living being is better or more special than the others (except maybe cats).

idiomaddict ,

As long as it’s not coerced, yes (not the brain).

Timecircleline ,

If you’re eating yourself I think it’s autophagy

Ibaudia ,
@Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

stealing other people’s cells to eat them

This will become a sex thing for sure

Aggravationstation ,

I made a post about that a while ago: feddit.uk/post/14228639

abbadon420 ,

Streets ahead

x4740N ,

Well if they combine that with 3D printed cell scaffolds they can eventually make a flesh fleshlight out of their own cells

jj4211 ,

The time is coming for the most involved “go fuck yourself” ever.

SexualPolytope ,
@SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

There’s a (pretty great) movie where cannibalism is treated as a substitute for sex. It’s called Aamis.

x4740N ,

3D printed cell scaffolds combined with this mean you can shape them

Now I wonder if someone has actually tried making a dildo from cultured flesh and skin

dutchkimble ,

And what if you don’t own a Honda?

bdonvr ,

As long as you aren’t stealing other people’s cells to eat them without their consent it seems more ethical than the current meat industry.

Even if you did, while super weird as long as you didn’t get the cells through violence it’s probably still more ethical than the meat industry.

Xtallll ,
@Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

You can probably use some violence and still come out ahead. I don’t know how to do that math though.

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