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fox2263 ,

Is this technically cannibalism?

Godric OP ,

This is by definition cannibalism

fox2263 ,

Full self cannibalism. Like consuming ones own various fluids

Godric OP ,

No, ethically more like chopping off a leg for dinner than eating boogers.

fox2263 ,

*growing a leg from boogers

Godric OP ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/694d41bb-101e-455f-aa89-b0d977b03d31.png

It’s worse, so much worse even though it shouldn’t be

fox2263 ,

That could be useful at night during hayfever season

Godric OP ,

And eating people is useful during nofoodbigstarve season, but is it right though?

fox2263 ,

I’d let you have a little nibble to live

x4740N ,

I mean you could also culture booger cells

fox2263 ,

Could make booger candy

hungryphrog ,

This is kinda cool, but maybe make it plant-based instead?

Godric OP ,

We aren’t made of plants, how could this be a man made horror if we ate nerd ass veggies at the end of this???

DrDominate ,
@DrDominate@lemmy.world avatar

That’s just gardening

x4740N ,

Maybe stop brigading posts about meat and keep to your self instead?

hungryphrog ,

I have never done that. Maybe stop assuming things about strangers and keep to yourself instead?

nifty ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

I am going to say that it’s unethical for someone to eat others or themselves, lab grown or not, because the community members in a society want to 1) curtail or reduce suffering and 2) increase ways to promote better judgment and impulse controls.

1 - We treat cattle and animals for food production with such contempt and disdain and cruelty, and if we were to start eating humans (lab grown, self-eating or otherwise) we’ll treat humans the same. Delegating some humans to be eaten, lab grown (by choice or not) or otherwise, is going to create a lot of societal strife and suffering. How does self-eating contribute to suffering? See reason 2.

2 - People who consume others or themselves cannot be guaranteed to be devoid of sociopathic characteristics. Even if someone is just eating themselves, it blurs the line between food source and community member.

I think it is the same as people who smoke or cut themselves to relieve stress—yes, whatever you’re doing is your choice and seemingly only affecting you. However, the second hand smoke/scarring in the case of the self-cannibal is their poor judgment and poor impulse control. We expect society members to exercise better judgment and impulse control because the way they think impacts everyone around them.

Why does self-cannibalism seem like poor judgment? Think again of someone who cuts themselves to relieve stress. The way you treat your yourself, including your body, is a reflection of your state of mind. Only a narcissist would say that they’re in complete control of their mind, including the subconscious part, and so their self-eating will be harmless and not result in any bad behavior towards others, ever. We already know vegetarians have more empathy than meat eaters: psychologytoday.com/…/brain-scans-show-vegetarian…

As mentioned, we have historically always treated animal sources of nutrition with disdain, contempt and cruelty. If someone feels that it’s okay for them to eat themselves using lab grown meat, I worry what kind of psychological interplay justifies that decision for them. Do they hate themselves? Is this self-harm? What will their interactions with other people be like after doing this?

So, yes autonomy and self-actualization is an inherent right of cognitively advanced beings. But they lose that right the second it starts impacting someone else’s self-actualization.

In short, even self-cannibalism is unethical because society wants members who are not sociopaths and who won’t contribute to the suffering of other members.

x4740N ,

Stop brigading posts nifty

People will eat meat if they want to, you can’t stop them and at the end of the day brigading annoys people and disrupts social media

It’s the exact same thing you and your group did on reddit

Just stop brigading posts and stop mass downvoting any posts that contain meat, I’ve looked at the vote ratios of posts in food subs enough to know that it is being done

nifty ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

What the fuck are you on about? I am only on lemmy, and don’t use any other boards.

You’re the one lying about me and brigading.

Maybe you’re a stooge sent by big-Cannibalism to help make this tech popular? See, I can make baseless claims too 🙄

areyouevenreal ,

How is this any way self-harm? To be clear we aren’t talking about growing a whole person here as you seem to be confused. We are talking about a few cells in a petri dish or vat. This is all just psychobabble nonsense. You’re the one here who shouldn’t be in polite society.

nifty ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

How can you qualify that it’s not self harm? Maybe we need to do brain scan study of what it looks like for people who cut themselves vs those who eat meat grown from their cells.

Lizardking27 ,

Ladies and gentlemen, it apprars we have a winner of the most braindead take award!

BudgetBandit ,

Is this considered vegan meat?

bam13302 ,

Likely depends on what’s needed/used as feed

v4ld1z ,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

As vegan as it gets, I’d wager. You need to take an initial sample to cultivate the meat from, which obviously isn’t vegan, but to my knowledge, the rest doesn’t require any further samples

volvoxvsmarla ,

Can’t speak for this specific kit but in general: A big problem with lab grown meat and cell tissue culture is that to grow cells in vitro you usually need fetal calf serum. That’s a liquid from, well, cow abortions basically, that contains a plethora of different molecules like growth factors and mediators. As far as I know, there is no vegan alternative to this yet. We are talking about a liquid here whose composition is really complex, so it’s a really big task to create a plant based FCS alternative that performs just as well.

Tldr: probably the set contains a liquid made from cows.

Teppichbrand , (edited )

Yes it is, as no animal is harmed:
“Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.”

roguetrick ,

This one is considered vegan because it used expired human blood cells, but calling a cheek culture meat is beyond the pale.

x4740N ,

What about this post has anything to do with vеgаnism BudgetBandit

blindbunny ,

Carnists well do anything to eat meat

Jiggle_Physics ,

Oh no, meat grown in a way that doesn’t harm sentient beings! How awful!

VaalaVasaVarde ,

Oh come on veggist, I eat you and you eat me, in a consensual lab grown way.

And I am just kidding, not even sure I am on board with this, i think eating lab grown cow meat would be less upsetting.

blindbunny ,

It’s just frustrating. Despite study after study showing that consumption of meat leads to poor health, people keep doing it. It just reminds me of being an addict. Other people saying this causes less harm to other sentient beings are right I’ll conceded to that but based off everything I know, the consumption of meat isn’t an act of self love. I may just be sensitive because my mother is dying of stomach disease. Beans and rice vegan steps off soap box

LarmyOfLone ,

Could we genetically engineer a synthetic meat cell line that is healthy enough to eat?

blindbunny ,

We’re humans, we can do anything we put our minds to. I’m not a geneticist nor nutritionist so there’s no way I could tell you for certain. But the more I think of this question the more Jeff Goldblum’s line from Jurassic Park comes to mind.

“Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should."

LarmyOfLone ,

Haha but it’s yummy! This would be the easiest way to get rid of agricultural meat production for ethical and environmental reasons.

Of course for many species of cows it will be an extinction event.

blindbunny ,

Yeah and cocaine is fun to do too. Doesn’t mean it’s healthy.

It wouldn’t end animal agriculture. It would just become the vinyl record collectors version of meat consumption.

It saddens me that you believe the only reason for cows existence is because of humans.

If I may suggest donating some time at your local animal sanctuary to meet a cow. Much like dogs or cats they each have very different personalities. They can be very cuddly if they get to know you. Like most herbivores they just want to have good vibes and enjoy their life.

LarmyOfLone ,

Sorry that was a bit hyperbole it would never be an all or nothing. You’d always have limited grass fed animal husbandry for milk and cheese. But my thought was that there should be some sort of rewilding effort for cows or Buffaloes or whatever their wild form even is or was in Europe.

And I was thinking in the way of harm reduction which is a tactic for drug. You won’t convince a majority of people to not want meant so the demand will be there. So practically artificial meat is the only way.

blindbunny ,

As long as meat is sold for profit, animals well suffer.

Synthetic milk (chemically the same as cow’s milk but from yeast) well be in grocery store shelves in the next 5 years. Idk if synthetic cheese will be though. Probably need to test interest/spend time culturing it.

I’m familiar with “harm reduction” as a “vegan evangelist” of sorts it’s generally my goal with my time in this reality. There will be a time when it’s taboo to consume an animal. It’s just won’t be within our life times.

Idk if your vegan but it appears we mostly agree. Lovely chatting with you.

x4740N ,

Oh look cherry picked studies

If you look hard enough you can find any study to support your claim with enough word crafting

blindbunny ,

You need to learn what cherry picking is. These are studies funded by governments. Not meat packing corporations.

But I’m sure I can post some PFAS studies you can deny too.

x4740N ,

I knew one of you would show up in this post and make it all about you

This post isn’t about you

blindbunny ,

Your right it’s not. It’s about your poor health.

jaemo ,

Shades of Wendy meat from Rudy Rucker’s “Ware” tetralogy

bluestribute ,

I’ve always wanted Antiviral to be real!

Cris_Color ,
@Cris_Color@lemmy.world avatar

I mean… its definitely ethical, its just also freak behaviour 😅

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