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devAlot ,

fetal bovine serum (FBS)… is derived from the blood of calf fetuses after their pregnant mothers are slaughtered by the meat or dairy industry.

I did not know this… and after reading the wiki, I found it rather disturbing…

The first stage of the production process for FBS is the harvesting of blood from the bovine fetus after the fetus is removed from the slaughtered cow. The fetus dies from the lack of oxygen by remaining in the protective environment of the uterus for a minimum of 15–20 minutes after the cow is dead…

roguetrick ,

The whole point of this art project is to suggest that using expired human blood serum is acceptable for growing lab meat btw. That’s what they used to culture the cheek cells. Took them several months to grow that amount though and cheek cells have very different requirements to muscle cells, so I dunno why they were presenting it as an option. Guess that’s why it was an art project and not a presentation at a conference.

roguetrick , (edited )

It’s unethical because you can’t safely perform muscle biopsies at home, thus it is a violation of the duty of care, and culturing stratified squamous epithelium and calling it meat(and steak no less) is lying without any benefit to others, which is a fundamental ethical violation.

hungryphrog ,

But couldn’t you just grow one steak and then take cells from it to grow more?

AbidingOhmsLaw ,

soylent me?

Fleur__ ,
@Fleur__@lemmy.world avatar

Anyone who thinks this is okay can suck my lab grown dick

Binette ,

Careful. Might create a fetish here.

BudgetBandit ,

Is this considered vegan meat?

bam13302 ,

Likely depends on what’s needed/used as feed

v4ld1z ,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

As vegan as it gets, I’d wager. You need to take an initial sample to cultivate the meat from, which obviously isn’t vegan, but to my knowledge, the rest doesn’t require any further samples

volvoxvsmarla ,

Can’t speak for this specific kit but in general: A big problem with lab grown meat and cell tissue culture is that to grow cells in vitro you usually need fetal calf serum. That’s a liquid from, well, cow abortions basically, that contains a plethora of different molecules like growth factors and mediators. As far as I know, there is no vegan alternative to this yet. We are talking about a liquid here whose composition is really complex, so it’s a really big task to create a plant based FCS alternative that performs just as well.

Tldr: probably the set contains a liquid made from cows.

Teppichbrand ,

Yes is it, as no animal is harmed:
“Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.”

roguetrick ,

This one is considered vegan because it used expired human blood cells, but calling a cheek culture meat is beyond the pale.

bdonvr ,

Completely ethical why would it not be?

BruceTwarzen ,

That’ like losing a finger and go: yeah, i’ll eat that.

Wxnzxn ,
@Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml avatar

Which I would classify as pretty weird, but not really unethical. Besides, I think the comparison doesn’t fully work - it’s more like, growing a lump on your body somewhere, having it removed, and saying “hey, can I eat that?”. Which I would also classify as weird, but not unethical.

TheEEEdiot ,

A little gross too, but not unethical. Like eating boogers.

tobogganablaze ,

It’s not like they can check what kinds of cells you put in. No need to made this weird by cultivating human meat.

volvoxvsmarla ,

The kit likely is optimized for human muscle cells and might not perform as well with other human cells or muscle cells from another species or even not at all. The other question is where would you find livable cells from a cow or whatever that you wanted to cultivate. I doubt that your refrigerated steak has viable cells.

tobogganablaze ,

I don’t think the requiernments for mammalian muscles cells are that different from each other. It might be optimized for a specific animal, but I’m pretty sure it will still work in general or it would only take very small adjustments to make it work for a different mammal.

The other question is where would you find livable cells from a cow or whatever that you wanted to cultivate

Yeah, you’d need a live or very recently deceased cow. But it should be easy enough to obtain some samples before or during regular slaughter. And once this method is viable and widespread enough there will probably “biopsy cows” that just get pricked for cell samples all day.

volvoxvsmarla ,

But it should be easy enough to obtain some samples before or during regular slaughter.

It’s a DIY kit for layers to play around at home. I don’t know where I would obtain samples before or during regular slaughter for my 49,99€ kit from Amazon tbh

tobogganablaze ,

Ask a local farm or butchers shop for example.

But yeah, it’s probalby more of a toy and I doubt that growning your own steak at home will catch on. You need industrial scale meat cultivation if you want to compete with the current convinence and price of meat.

LotrOrc ,

I would be worried about disease first, but if it’s your own cells maybe there’s less chance? Prions are terrifying

My second question would be taste

If there’s no disease and it tastes good then fuck yeah all in

blindbunny ,

Theoretically, if you don’t consume any of spine or nervous system, you should be good.

filcuk ,

I can’t grow me a spine steak?
What even is the point then

SkunkWorkz ,

Those cannibals who got prions ate human brain.

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

To me that’s more ethical than killing of billions of animals, and the latter is considered ethical. I wouldn’t do that because that would feel weird, but not unethical.

Decoy321 ,

I wouldn’t do that because that would feel weird,

I mean, it’s basically homemade spam. It’s kinda weird.

DarthFrodo ,

To me that’s more ethical than killing of billions of animals, and the latter is considered ethical.

I think most people would actually consider factory farming unethical, they just put the blame on the producers for treating animals like shit. And the producers are locked into a race to the bottom for competitive prices, so they’d blame the customers/market conditions.

Cris_Color ,
@Cris_Color@lemmy.world avatar

I mean… its definitely ethical, its just also freak behaviour 😅

normalexit ,

“Hey hon, get in here. I want you to try this”

volvoxvsmarla ,

Damn I just realized that guys will of course try to make dick meat

Rolder ,

Isn’t cannibalism a good way to get prion based diseases? Or is that only if you eat other people

Saledovil ,

If you’re eating yourself, no. If you have a disease to pass on, you can’t catch the disease, because you already have it.

xavier666 ,

You mean to say you can’t get STDs if you fuck yourself?

Saledovil ,

Yeah, same principle.

gens ,

You can’t eat the brain. AFIK, never tried human.

Lemming421 ,
@Lemming421@lemmy.world avatar

You can’t eat the brain.

Shouldn’t

molten ,

Fuck, I’ve always wanted to eat human meat anyway. I’d kill for a sample like this. I don’t care about morals here. I’m a vegetarian. I just want to know. If my buddy was like “ayy we’re eating Dan from accounting’s arm tonight” I’d be there with no questions asked. The police can sort it out.

bjoern_tantau ,
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

I mean, if you’d kill for that you don’t need the kit.

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

I don’t want to eat human meat, but I don’t mind if you kill that asshole from accounting.

xavier666 ,

Fun fact : Human meat is an excellent source of protein 🤓

interrobang ,

Thats what im thinking- i rarely eat meat but how could i pass up ethical long pig? Im too curious

Dasus ,
@Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

You can eat placenta, if you really want to eat human.

Madventures in New Guinea - Mad Cook meets the placenta

hungryphrog ,

I’d kill for a sample like this.

oh boy do I have something to tell you

Soulg ,

Of course it’s ethical, unless I’m seriously misunderstanding something you literally have to make the decision to buy it and then partake in it.

I guess you can use it unethically but by default intended usage it’s fine

ignotum ,

Man-made man-steaks beyond my comprehension

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