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tobogganablaze ,

It’s not like they can check what kinds of cells you put in. No need to made this weird by cultivating human meat.

volvoxvsmarla ,

The kit likely is optimized for human muscle cells and might not perform as well with other human cells or muscle cells from another species or even not at all. The other question is where would you find livable cells from a cow or whatever that you wanted to cultivate. I doubt that your refrigerated steak has viable cells.

tobogganablaze ,

I don’t think the requiernments for mammalian muscles cells are that different from each other. It might be optimized for a specific animal, but I’m pretty sure it will still work in general or it would only take very small adjustments to make it work for a different mammal.

The other question is where would you find livable cells from a cow or whatever that you wanted to cultivate

Yeah, you’d need a live or very recently deceased cow. But it should be easy enough to obtain some samples before or during regular slaughter. And once this method is viable and widespread enough there will probably “biopsy cows” that just get pricked for cell samples all day.

volvoxvsmarla ,

But it should be easy enough to obtain some samples before or during regular slaughter.

It’s a DIY kit for layers to play around at home. I don’t know where I would obtain samples before or during regular slaughter for my 49,99€ kit from Amazon tbh

tobogganablaze ,

Ask a local farm or butchers shop for example.

But yeah, it’s probalby more of a toy and I doubt that growning your own steak at home will catch on. You need industrial scale meat cultivation if you want to compete with the current convinence and price of meat.

roguetrick , (edited )

It’s unethical because you can’t safely perform muscle biopsies at home, thus it is a violation of the duty of care, and culturing stratified squamous epithelium and calling it meat(and steak no less) is lying without any benefit to others, which is a fundamental ethical violation.

hungryphrog ,

But couldn’t you just grow one steak and then take cells from it to grow more?

blindbunny ,

Carnists well do anything to eat meat

Jiggle_Physics ,

Oh no, meat grown in a way that doesn’t harm sentient beings! How awful!

VaalaVasaVarde ,

Oh come on veggist, I eat you and you eat me, in a consensual lab grown way.

And I am just kidding, not even sure I am on board with this, i think eating lab grown cow meat would be less upsetting.

blindbunny ,

It’s just frustrating. Despite study after study showing that consumption of meat leads to poor health, people keep doing it. It just reminds me of being an addict. Other people saying this causes less harm to other sentient beings are right I’ll conceded to that but based off everything I know, the consumption of meat isn’t an act of self love. I may just be sensitive because my mother is dying of stomach disease. Beans and rice vegan steps off soap box

LarmyOfLone ,

Could we genetically engineer a synthetic meat cell line that is healthy enough to eat?

blindbunny ,

We’re humans, we can do anything we put our minds to. I’m not a geneticist nor nutritionist so there’s no way I could tell you for certain. But the more I think of this question the more Jeff Goldblum’s line from Jurassic Park comes to mind.

“Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should."

LarmyOfLone ,

Haha but it’s yummy! This would be the easiest way to get rid of agricultural meat production for ethical and environmental reasons.

Of course for many species of cows it will be an extinction event.

blindbunny ,

Yeah and cocaine is fun to do too. Doesn’t mean it’s healthy.

It wouldn’t end animal agriculture. It would just become the vinyl record collectors version of meat consumption.

It saddens me that you believe the only reason for cows existence is because of humans.

If I may suggest donating some time at your local animal sanctuary to meet a cow. Much like dogs or cats they each have very different personalities. They can be very cuddly if they get to know you. Like most herbivores they just want to have good vibes and enjoy their life.

molten ,

Fuck, I’ve always wanted to eat human meat anyway. I’d kill for a sample like this. I don’t care about morals here. I’m a vegetarian. I just want to know. If my buddy was like “ayy we’re eating Dan from accounting’s arm tonight” I’d be there with no questions asked. The police can sort it out.

bjoern_tantau ,
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

I mean, if you’d kill for that you don’t need the kit.

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

I don’t want to eat human meat, but I don’t mind if you kill that asshole from accounting.

xavier666 ,

Fun fact : Human meat is an excellent source of protein 🤓

interrobang ,

Thats what im thinking- i rarely eat meat but how could i pass up ethical long pig? Im too curious

Dasus ,
@Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

You can eat placenta, if you really want to eat human.

Madventures in New Guinea - Mad Cook meets the placenta

hungryphrog ,

I’d kill for a sample like this.

oh boy do I have something to tell you

BudgetBandit ,

Is this considered vegan meat?

bam13302 ,

Likely depends on what’s needed/used as feed

v4ld1z ,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

As vegan as it gets, I’d wager. You need to take an initial sample to cultivate the meat from, which obviously isn’t vegan, but to my knowledge, the rest doesn’t require any further samples

volvoxvsmarla ,

Can’t speak for this specific kit but in general: A big problem with lab grown meat and cell tissue culture is that to grow cells in vitro you usually need fetal calf serum. That’s a liquid from, well, cow abortions basically, that contains a plethora of different molecules like growth factors and mediators. As far as I know, there is no vegan alternative to this yet. We are talking about a liquid here whose composition is really complex, so it’s a really big task to create a plant based FCS alternative that performs just as well.

Tldr: probably the set contains a liquid made from cows.

Teppichbrand ,

Yes is it, as no animal is harmed:
“Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.”

roguetrick ,

This one is considered vegan because it used expired human blood cells, but calling a cheek culture meat is beyond the pale.

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

To me that’s more ethical than killing of billions of animals, and the latter is considered ethical. I wouldn’t do that because that would feel weird, but not unethical.

Decoy321 ,

I wouldn’t do that because that would feel weird,

I mean, it’s basically homemade spam. It’s kinda weird.

DarthFrodo ,

To me that’s more ethical than killing of billions of animals, and the latter is considered ethical.

I think most people would actually consider factory farming unethical, they just put the blame on the producers for treating animals like shit. And the producers are locked into a race to the bottom for competitive prices, so they’d blame the customers/market conditions.

devAlot ,

fetal bovine serum (FBS)… is derived from the blood of calf fetuses after their pregnant mothers are slaughtered by the meat or dairy industry.

I did not know this… and after reading the wiki, I found it rather disturbing…

The first stage of the production process for FBS is the harvesting of blood from the bovine fetus after the fetus is removed from the slaughtered cow. The fetus dies from the lack of oxygen by remaining in the protective environment of the uterus for a minimum of 15–20 minutes after the cow is dead…

roguetrick ,

The whole point of this art project is to suggest that using expired human blood serum is acceptable for growing lab meat btw. That’s what they used to culture the cheek cells. Took them several months to grow that amount though and cheek cells have very different requirements to muscle cells, so I dunno why they were presenting it as an option. Guess that’s why it was an art project and not a presentation at a conference.

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

I mean you have to buy it on your own accord, culture your own cells, and then successfully cook and eat them. As long as you aren’t stealing other people’s cells to eat them without their consent it seems more ethical than the current meat industry.

Godric OP ,

But it’s still cannibalism, yeah? If someone consented to be eaten before they died or even wished for it, would you be OK with eating them?

jws_shadotak ,

would you be OK with eating them

are they yummy ?

Godric OP ,

Haven’t tried it, you’ll have to make your own judgement there!

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

We have to draw some sort of line here though. Will this give you prions? Does this end the person’s life like traditional cannibalism usually does? Theres a lot to unpack in these tiny man steaks. I’d still rather people be growing their own meat at home in a petri dish than having animals locked in cages for eternity.

Godric OP ,

In the current hypothetical:

  1. It’s screened, you can’t legally sell prion meat
  2. It’s taken nonlethally as a sample from a consenting human, possibly you
Astronauticaldb ,

So, if it were the original cells, then it would be autocannibalism, since these are cloned cells (from what I gather) it’s technically not the same thing. [Edit: Personally, it’s a bit of a tossup in my mind. I don’t think it’s unethical, but it’s still a weird thing]

Godric OP ,

Yeah, I’m also unsure how I feel about it, I asked because it’s such a strange thing to think about

garbagebagel ,

This is unironically one of my favourite questions to ask new friends. I’ve gotten a variety of answers, but my own response has always been yes, if the person was healthy and had clearly consented.

In my opinion, cannibalism is bad for two main reasons, 1) it can be unsafe if the person was ill, the meat has spoiled, or if it’s done too often (this has been studied in cannibalistic rituals) and 2) it’s unethical if the person doesn’t consent to it.

Eating animal meat is non consensual and there can be diseases in there too - many people have died from it. Just because it’s more socially acceptable, I don’t really see it as an ethically better decision.

I would 100% at least try my own home grown meat cells.

Godric OP ,

Damn, I love your response, even though I don’t know of I agree! Are you Vegan?

I personally see it as No, because I see us humans as special. Speaking as an atheist, end of day, we are special as humans.

I eat meat, I try to limit it to the ethically harvested. Hunted, family farm grown, it even tastes the best, any concerns aside. But eating a person is WRONG, consent or no.

Guntrigger ,

It’s interesting that you ask if they are vegan, as if understanding the ethical problems of eating meat would only be valid if you are also strictly vegan.

You evidently understand it is not completely ethically correct to eat animals in all circumstances, as you say you only eat ethically harvested meat. But you also say you believe humans to be special as a reason to eat animals, so why not eat all animals under all circumstances?

The main point though, why would it still be wrong to eat human meat if lab grown and consensual?

abfarid ,
@abfarid@startrek.website avatar

Why is it wrong though? And why/how are people special? You didn’t provide any reasoning to either.

idiomaddict ,

As long as it’s not coerced, yes (not the brain).

Timecircleline ,

If you’re eating yourself I think it’s autophagy

Ibaudia ,
@Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

stealing other people’s cells to eat them

This will become a sex thing for sure

Aggravationstation ,

I made a post about that a while ago: feddit.uk/post/14228639

abbadon420 ,

Streets ahead

SexualPolytope ,
@SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

There’s a (pretty great) movie where cannibalism is treated as a substitute for sex. It’s called Aamis.

dutchkimble ,

And what if you don’t own a Honda?

bdonvr ,

As long as you aren’t stealing other people’s cells to eat them without their consent it seems more ethical than the current meat industry.

Even if you did, while super weird as long as you didn’t get the cells through violence it’s probably still more ethical than the meat industry.

Xtallll ,
@Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

You can probably use some violence and still come out ahead. I don’t know how to do that math though.

LotrOrc ,

I would be worried about disease first, but if it’s your own cells maybe there’s less chance? Prions are terrifying

My second question would be taste

If there’s no disease and it tastes good then fuck yeah all in

blindbunny ,

Theoretically, if you don’t consume any of spine or nervous system, you should be good.

filcuk ,

I can’t grow me a spine steak?
What even is the point then

SkunkWorkz ,

Those cannibals who got prions ate human brain.

AbidingOhmsLaw ,

soylent me?

Fleur__ ,
@Fleur__@lemmy.world avatar

Anyone who thinks this is okay can suck my lab grown dick

bdonvr ,

Completely ethical why would it not be?

BruceTwarzen ,

That’ like losing a finger and go: yeah, i’ll eat that.

Wxnzxn ,
@Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml avatar

Which I would classify as pretty weird, but not really unethical. Besides, I think the comparison doesn’t fully work - it’s more like, growing a lump on your body somewhere, having it removed, and saying “hey, can I eat that?”. Which I would also classify as weird, but not unethical.

TheEEEdiot ,

A little gross too, but not unethical. Like eating boogers.

normalexit ,

“Hey hon, get in here. I want you to try this”

volvoxvsmarla ,

Damn I just realized that guys will of course try to make dick meat

Rolder ,

Isn’t cannibalism a good way to get prion based diseases? Or is that only if you eat other people

Saledovil ,

If you’re eating yourself, no. If you have a disease to pass on, you can’t catch the disease, because you already have it.

xavier666 ,

You mean to say you can’t get STDs if you fuck yourself?

Saledovil ,

Yeah, same principle.

gens ,

You can’t eat the brain. AFIK, never tried human.

Lemming421 ,
@Lemming421@lemmy.world avatar

You can’t eat the brain.

Shouldn’t

hungryphrog ,

This is kinda cool, but maybe make it plant-based instead?

Godric OP ,

We aren’t made of plants, how could this be a man made horror if we ate nerd ass veggies at the end of this???

DrDominate ,
@DrDominate@lemmy.world avatar

That’s just gardening

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