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Lizardking27 ,

Lmao you’ve clearly never met Philips.

And if you’re advocating slotted screws (flathead) you’ve already lost.

Torx is supreme. The end.

uis ,

Hex is supreme, torx is mental health problem

lud ,

Hex strips itself constantly. Torx never does that.

Leviathan ,

Robertson is superior.

KillingTimeItself ,

sell them in the continental US then >:(

There are basically none here in the 50 states. You can find em, along 50x more torx screws…

Slovene ,

No slot shaming!

FlyingSquid , (edited )
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’m Jewish, so I’m going to have to go with the tamper-resistant Torx when I need to use screws on myself.

Edit: A troll flagged this as antisemitic, so apparently I hate my own ethnicity?

helpImTrappedOnline ,

Welcome to the internet

nickwitha_k ,

Would you mind explaining? I think not being Jewish and not having enough he-bros is making this go over my head.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It’s a Star of David.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_David

nickwitha_k ,

Oh my… Now I feel silly. I was trying to find wordplay and not looking at the image because I’m familiar with Torx variants.

ByteOnBikes ,

Not a single person sharing the xkcd comic about standards? Well I’m not doing it.

helpImTrappedOnline ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/7decc030-73d9-4f8a-90df-350a372c263e.png

Agrivar ,

Torx are superior to all other types. I’ve been a carpenter for roughly three decades, and have suffered through all manner of fastening methods that have come and gone. None of them can hold a candle to Torx. I’ve never seen another type that can resist stripping out so well and for so long.

Thorny_Insight ,

Fellow contractor here. Torx or go home. Drywall screws are the only exception I’m willing to make.

Croquette ,

Where do you buy torx wood screws or torx metal screws?

I’ve never seen any.

currycourier ,

IIRC Spax and GRK make torx multi-purpose fasteners that you can use for wood and metal

Thorny_Insight ,

Most screws sold around here have a torx head

ThrowawaySobriquet ,

Torx should be the default over Phillips for sure. Phillips is fine for shit like access panels or screw terminals. Slotted is useless for anything but the adjustment on pots and thermostats. Robertson is just a proto-torx. Everything else either exists to make someone money or is a bolt

JustAnotherRando ,

How do you feel about square drive? I’m no carpenter, just someone that’s done enough work around the house, but I’ve found that Torx are the best option but square is a close second (but I don’t think I’ve used them in any especially high torque situations, and they may fall short there).

Agrivar ,

Square drive (or Robertson) I consider a close second. They do tend to strip out faster, especially in “softer” fasteners like stainless steel.

thawed_caveman ,

So square is a close second in terms of quality, while being vastly simpler and cheaper to manufacture. Seems to me like i’d prefer square.

Also i’d be terrified of getting dirt in a torx screw, good luck cleaning it to make it usable again. Though i haven’t actually had this problem personally so it’s just a hunch

Agrivar ,

You clearly have no idea how fasteners are manufactured… and you worry needlessly about hypotheticals.

Betty_Boopie ,

I have torx all over my mountain bike that gets caked in dirt, a little bit of water and a pick gets them usable in seconds. I could argue that hex is superior to square but they’re both worse than torx so who really cares.

nickwitha_k ,

Torx, hex, and square/Robertson all require broaching, generally with a rotary broach. The manufacturing process is basically identical, though the manufacturing of the machine tools varies slightly.

John_McMurray ,

Square and Robertson are different. No taper in square

saltesc ,

And a set of Allen keys usually saves a trip to the hardware store if you’re missing the right size Torx bit.

uis ,

Hexes save trip to store when you need torx? How?

hydrospanner ,

Because a hex key can fit (albeit imperfectly) into a Torx opening and loosen or tighten the fastener as needed.

It’s more likely to slip or strip, but it’s better than nothing.

nickwitha_k ,

The opposite is also true.

uis ,

What about hexes?

Leviathan ,

Robertson is superior to all.

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Robertson drive tho

Fuckfuckmyfuckingass ,
@Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world avatar

Least favorite for sure.

nickwitha_k ,

Vastly Superior to Philips, which is vastly superior to blade/slotted for anything resembling a power tool.

KillingTimeItself ,

robertsons are tapered, so unless you get a proper positive lock, or they have dirt in them or something, they’re more liable to stripping out. But other than that, they’re great.

Aux ,

Torx can’t hold shit. They’re single use screws.

Neato ,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

Why is screw DLC legal? Why are people ok with companies preventing people from working in their own devices?

Olhonestjim ,

Tamper proof is to prevent random idiots from messing with your stuff.

Bertuccio ,

Random idiots that don’t know hardware stores exist

Olhonestjim ,

Once they’re determined to fuck with your stuff, they’re no longer random. It’s just to delay the occasional dingleberry with a multi tool until they get distracted and forget. “Huh, it doesn’t fit. Oh well, Tik Tok it is.”

Corkyskog ,
@Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works avatar

Every lock can be broken. My step grandfather would use tapper proof screws to board up his lake house for winter. Otherwise you risk some drunk ice fishing fuck breaking into your house.

If someone really wanted to get in, it doesn’t really matter what fasteners you use, they would just cut the wood. It just prevents common vandals that happen to have a screwdriver, not determined criminals.

Duamerthrax ,

Tamper resistant torx is still a weird niche. Tamper resistant slotted for bathroom stalls makes sense because a person with a coin could disassemble a whole row of stalls without any effort, but if you’re carrying around a torx bit, you might as well be carrying around a security bit.

For some reason, Ford decided to use Security Torx to hold together their hybrid battery packs. Couldn’t tell you why that was better then regular Torx.

hydrospanner ,

For some reason, Ford decided to use Security Torx to hold together their hybrid battery packs. Couldn’t tell you why that was better then regular Torx.

I’d guess that was some sort of safety standard designed to protect vehicle owners from themselves.

As Torx gets more and more common, it’s presence is less and less likely to be a serious hurdle, so the security screws are a simple way for them to sort of say to the owner “don’t mess with the stuff below this”. If they want to, they still can, but it’s a specific effort at that point…so Ford can say they’ve implemented a safety measure. Might even be some sort of government standard too, where using a less common fastener style brings them into compliance without needing some sort of even less accessible design, like a sealed off system.

nexguy ,
@nexguy@lemmy.world avatar

You can turn a tamper proof screw into a regular screw by using a flat head as a lever and breaking off the center post. Harder to do the bigger the screw is.

lightnsfw ,

Who said we are? It’s up to Congress to regulate things like that and they don’t know shit about fuck. Unless someone “lobbies” them to do it of course.

Xeroxchasechase ,

Plus what?!

HootinNHollerin ,

Torx++

Not to be confused with Torx#

Somethingcheezie ,

Fuck you all!! I’m not arguing about this again :(

But I found this interesting.

thoughtco.com/history-of-screws-and-screwdrivers-…

JadenSmith ,

Useful tip: with security torx screws, with the little nub in the centre, if you get a small flathead screwdriver to jam in there and wiggle a bit, that centre bit will snap off without much difficulty.
You should be able to use a regular Torx screwdriver bit after that.

awwwyissss ,

This is really gonna come in handy during some of my heists

HoustonHenry ,

Their only “heists” when you get caught, until then they’re “shenanigans” 😁

Bertuccio ,

It’s easier to just pick up security bits at any hardware store…

lud ,

Yeah, just exclusively buy security bits and stop worrying about it.

IcyToes ,

We can debate this all day long but we all know torque is cheap.

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

But enough torque, have at thee!

kamenlady ,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

Unexpected lonesome German

KISSmyOS ,

My favorite is round.

nichtburningturtle ,
@nichtburningturtle@feddit.org avatar

Every screw is round if you’re stubborn enough.

InternetUser2012 ,

Or, it’s in the intake of a pro master or transit.

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

the worst is not when the screwdriver is fucked but the screw is. That is some huge pain in the ass

Maalus ,

Torx doesn’t get fucked though, compared to alan or philips

Somethingcheezie ,

What about square drive… where does it fit in

DrBob ,
@DrBob@lemmy.ca avatar

Robertson! Say his name!

Somethingcheezie ,

I was saying it in Mercian for our southern neighbours

Maalus ,

I’m not american so you wasted it anyways

Silic0n_Alph4 ,

That’s right, it goes in the square hole.

spicytuna62 ,
@spicytuna62@lemmy.world avatar

Fun fact: There are plenty of times a screw that looks like a Philips head is also compatible with a square drive. I’ve mostly seen this on electrical outlets and Ikea furniture.

I don’t know why Robertson/square drives aren’t more common. They’re stable and they resist stripping and rounding.

FrederikNJS ,

You mean Pozidriv?

Test_Tickles ,

Robertson is the proto-torxs. It is a vast improvement over Phillips but has a tendency to snap the head off due to the increased amount of torque you can apply. Torxs maintains the amount of torque that a Robertson can apply, but adds some material back to the head giving it a little extra strength.
It’s really unfortunate that the greed of Robertson and Ford got in the way of such a vastly superior design.

uis ,

That much of material is not much of material.

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

wait really? I would imagine those small corners would easily get flattened compared to something with deeper ridges like philips

SparrowRanjitScaur , (edited )

Phillips strips way, way easier than Torx. Stripping generally happens when a screwdriver cams out, or pops out of the screw. Here are some excerpts from Wikipedia of Torx vs Phillips.

The hexalobular socket screw drive, often referred to by the original proprietary brand name Torx ( /ˈtɔːrks/) or by the alternative generic name star drive, uses a star-shaped recess in the fastener with six rounded points. It was designed to permit increased torque transfer from the driver to the bit compared to other drive systems. The drive was developed in 1967[44] by Camcar Textron.[45] Torx is very popular in the automotive and electronics industries because of resistance to cam out, and extended bit life, as well as reduced operator fatigue by minimizing the need to bear down on the drive tool to prevent cam out.

And Philips on the other hand:

The Phillips screwdriver design has a tendency to cam out during operation due to angled contact surfaces which create an axial force pushing the driver out of the recess as torque is applied. Despite popular belief,[2] there is no clear evidence that this was a deliberate design feature. When the original patent application was filed in 1933, the inventors described the key objectives as providing a screw head recess that (a) may be produced by a simple punching operation and which (b) is adapted for firm engagement with a driving tool with “no tendency of the driver to cam out”.

I’m not sure about Allen. It doesn’t cam out very much, but it does still strip a lot easier than Torx. Probably due to the smaller contact points.

hydrospanner ,

Well said.

And with the hex/Allen, it’s the small contact points as well as the smaller volume of material that needs to be deformed or removed before slippage can occur, as well as the angle of force on the contact point.

With a hex, the contact point and direction are such that the tool is effectively trying to scrape off material at an angle, and if/when it succeeds even a little bit, it’s now much more prone to fail.

With a Torx, the contact area might still be small, but it’s being applied to the lobe in a more perpendicular direction, so rather than a scraping failure, it’s more of a force that is pushing directly against steel instead of scraping. Not that it can’t fail, but the route to failure is significantly less likely.

Maalus ,

Yeah, it was made with torque in mind (like, it’s in the name lol). For smaller screws using an impact, you can expect to break the screw before you strip the torx on top. And by smaller I don’t mean tiny, more like M4, M5

uis ,

Maybe because different material? Obviously CrV steel won’t get fucked like chinesium, no matter the shape.

Voyajer ,
@Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

Torx drivers are forward compatible with Torx plus screws

rainynight65 ,

Why does Torx Plus have six teeth but tamper-resistant Torx Plus has five? Whereas ‘what the fuck is this’ basically looks like it should be tamper-resistant Torx Plus?

renzev OP ,

I guess they wanted to make the screws even more tamper-resistant? With the standard Torx Tamper-Resistant screws, they could often be bypassed by chiseling the pin away with a flathead and a hammer, and then using a standard Torx driver. Can’t do that with the pentalobular design!

Cobrachicken ,

I have to admit that each time I saw a torx security screw on a case I had to open (looking at you, Compaq) this made me so angry that I used to punch the middle pin away with a flathead screwdriver, and replace the screw with a regular one later. This was in those past times I did not have a fuckton of assorted torx bits in a gigantic case…

NaoPb ,

Didn’t Compaq use to have those torx with a slit in them where you could put a flathead screwdriver in the slit part?

renzev OP ,

I know HP uses those on some computers. Pretty neat design, if you ask me!

NaoPb ,

Yes I’ve always referred to them as Compaq screws but mainly because I personally saw them on Compaq first. I think HP bought Compaq at some point and that might explain why they are used on both brands. Don’t know which brand started using them first.

I would have rather had they just used Phillips screws but as far as weird screwheads go these aren’t too bad.

At least the good thing about them is the threads are standard and they can be replaced with a Phillipshead case screw just as well.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

I’m with you. I’ve replaced all the torx screws on my Dell with Philips head screws because fuck you Dell. (all the screws inside were already Philips)

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