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Dotcom ,

I’m not sure why this would be an advantage? Does the tilt cause more draft than opening it a different way?

hOrni ,

Try any different way during a rain and You’ll realize the difference.

Rodeo ,

It’s never warm enough when it’s raining to warrant having the window open though. Maybe if you’re in Arizona or the south of Spain.

CaptainSpaceman ,

Most Europeans dont have AC units, so windows being open is a necessity.

This post misses the entire reason for the difference and instead makes it a divisive topic.

Rodeo ,

I don’t have AC and I manage the temperature in my house just fine with windows alone. My point stands.

hOrni ,

You don’t only open the windows to cool down. You should regularly let in some fresh air.

psud ,

It is a security opening. People cannot climb through a tilted window

There are, of course, tools to defeat those windows since they’re popular.

vsis ,
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Southamerican living in Spain here.

First time I saw those windows my mind blew to pieces.

potustheplant ,

I live in south america and have those windows in my house…

RealFknNito ,
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Yeah pretty fucking unthinkable

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f43bc43e-1c4e-417f-be45-44bd6da0f9a9.png

EdibleFriend ,
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One European downvoted you for speaking the truth

anarchy79 ,
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I downvoted because I’m French.

EdibleFriend ,
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I downvoted you because you’re French.

anarchy79 ,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

Touché.

gmtom ,

Opening from the bottom is inherently worse

Swedneck ,
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it’s inherently superior because you can have the window slam onto the fingers of a person trying to crawl in through the window

FooBarrington ,

In Europe we use roller shutters for that

lud ,

You can have them on residential buildings‽

I live in Europe and I have only seen them in commercial settings to protect store and stuff.

moitoi ,
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You can have them where you want. They makes some nice things nowadays.

www.maisondustore.ch/uploads/…/Sans CFVGGF.png

FooBarrington ,

It’s pretty normal to have them on every window, at least in Germany

lud ,

Here, integrated window blinders are very common. But if you don’t have them you will probably use some sort of curtains (either normal or roll down).

https://www.albanywindows.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/aluminium-integrated-blinds.jpg

anarchy79 , (edited )
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Those metal shutters, that black out the whole room? They have those in Portugal, Spain, most of the mid-southwest Mediterranean. France also. But they’re basically ubiquitous in Portugal. Pretty nifty actually.

Edit: This was driving me nuts, sorry, but I couldn’t find a single good image of what I mean. Here’s the best I could make the robot monkey do (YMMV):

It sounds like you’re describing “Persianas” – a term used in Portugal (and other Spanish or Portuguese-speaking countries) for a specific type of heavy-duty indoor blinds or shutters. These are not the thin metal or fabric blinds but rather thick, often horizontal slats that can be rolled down to cover windows or doors completely, providing excellent light blockage and insulation.

Why? Because they’re amazing.

lud , (edited )

Funnily enough we call the small thin ones in the picture I posted “Persienner”.

They don’t provide any significant insulation but they can also cover the whole window and block light pretty well. Not perfectly, but good enough for most applications.

If they aren’t enough for you, you can have specific black out curtains that either roll down or slide in front of the window. I suspect black out curtains exist literally everywhere. I am just mentioning it for completeness sake.

I suspect black out curtains are especially common where they get sun 24/7 during the summer.

FartsWithAnAccent ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@kbin.social avatar

Ok, our windows can open from the sides or tops as well :D

AA5B ,

The worse part is now they’re built cheaply so the screen is only the bottom half. You can still open the top, or from both top and bottom for convection, but now you get bugs

Boop2133 ,

It entirely depends on who installed the windows and what brand. Our windows are amazing and high quality.

oatscoop ,

If you get windows one step above “cheapest available” you get a moveable screen.

SpaceCowboy ,
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Windows are the kind of thing that are generally built locally for multiple reasons. So your experience will vary greatly based on what the window factory in your area is doing.

Where I live, single hung windows (only one sash) are most common, so only one screen is needed. Double hung windows are less common because people don’t want to pay for the expense of the additional sash (a lot of springs and mechanisms needed for a sash). A screen is an expense too, but nowhere near the expense of an additional shaft. Possibly the intent was to allow for opening the top to making cleaning easier, but that’s usually accomplished by having the top “fixed” portion of the single hung window be able to tilt out because putting all the springs and mechanisms for an additional sash for a feature to make it easier to clean isn’t necessary.

Yeah… I worked at a window factory before. The calculations needed to figure out the tension needed on the springs so that it will counter the weight of the sash was fun.

lud ,

At least you get screens. Where I live mosquitoes are common and yet screens are very rare.

TheSanSabaSongbird ,

They open from the top as well.

anarchy79 ,
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At that point why do you even need windows?

Loki ,

Correct me if I’m wrong, but that style of window doesn’t allow you to open it fully, right?

RememberTheApollo_ ,

They open fully. The tilt feature is 10-15 degrees, but they swing open fully like a casement window in the US. At least the ones I used did.

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    Marcbmann ,

    You can have screens. I don’t understand why everyone thinks these windows don’t have screens

    ThirdWorldOrder ,

    Not if they rotate 90 degrees like others are saying unless it’s some sort of magic screen

    The_one_and_only ,

    The screen just stays in the “hole” of the window. Doesn’t matter if the window is tilted or fully swung open. Very simple.

    Loki ,

    I was talking about the window in the picture in the comment I replied to.

    noobnarski ,

    That window design looks like it would never seal properly. Here in Germany any window from the last 30 years or more will not let any air in when its fully closed.

    CaptnNMorgan ,

    Why wouldn’t it seal?

    noobnarski ,

    Because its not possible to pull the window into the seal when the window also needs to move up and down.

    CaptnNMorgan ,

    The seal is on the bottom so it just falls into it using gravity

    noobnarski ,

    And how is it sealed on the sides and the top? European casement windows actually get pulled into the frame (and seals) all around the frame by rollers which move sideways along sloped ridges when you move the hinge to the closed position.

    CaptnNMorgan ,

    The window stays sealed on all other sides. It just slides up and down. Windows in Europe sound needlessly complicated

    noobnarski ,

    But will there still be air coming through when there is wind pushing on that side of the house?

    I guess they are kind of complicated, but energy efficient windows make it possible to increase the window area and size without losing too much heat. Energy is also more expensive over here, which probably helps in that decision, as the cost of these windows can be easily recouped in a few years just by needing less energy to heat the house.

    CaptnNMorgan ,

    Americans houses aren’t windy inside, no.

    RealFknNito ,
    @RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

    It seals. There’s a small recess underneath the window lined with weather stripping that when pressure is applied from closing the window and even locking it, it becomes air tight.

    AlexWIWA ,

    We actually have the opposite issue. Windows here seal so well that indoor air quality slowly drops if you don’t run the central fan all day.

    Gumbyyy ,

    Double hung windows don’t seal quite as well as casement windows, but honestly, unless you’re going to the absolute best energy efficiency possible, like a net-zero house, then it’s really not a big difference. Any halfway decent quality, properly installed window won’t have any noticeable drafts. Plus, as others have mentioned, double hung windows are far cheaper than casement.

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah I mean of course not in a prison. Which cell block is that?

    Mr_Blott ,

    I asked a builder why this was, and he said that the lateral forces created by a slightly tilted window has just enough force to rip the entire side of a house clean off due to houses having the structural integrity of wet newspaper, which is the preferred construction method in the States

    AnUnusualRelic ,
    @AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

    US people, dry your newspapers before building your houses!

    LeroyJenkins ,

    can’t tell if this is a troll or not. youre telling me people outside the states think we live in wet newspaper?

    Mr_Blott ,

    Well not wet newspaper exactly but I heard you have walls so thin the neighbours can hear your cell division

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s how we got classics like Shut up, little man!

    LeroyJenkins , (edited )

    I mean it exists for sure, but not something people expect when moving in places. usually correlates to the cost and age. decibels wise, it’s not too different than Europe imo. I lived in France and mother fuckers be yelling from their windows all day. I also lived in Germany and the walls are thick as shit, but mother fuckers have their windows open all day and yodelling. if you live near people, you’ll hear them some way or another. renting in the US is also much simpler. fuck Germany’s renting culture shit.

    Mr_Blott , (edited )

    You’ve… you’ve never been out of your state, have you? 😂

    People don’t…shout at eachother out of windows! What sort of savage would do that?

    Oh, the ones in the movies you watched about Yurp. 😂

    AlexWIWA ,

    Depends on where you live. The US is huge and has a wide variety of building codes. I personally never hear my neighbors

    kilgore_trout ,

    It’s an intentional exaggeration, but it’s true that houses in the US are usually built without a proper foundation and with thin walls.

    Misconduct ,

    They’re built differently depending on where you live in the states and your environment. I know y’all love staying ignorant to feel superior but this one is still pretty dumb. People in Japan practically have paper walls and I don’t see you guys all up your snobby butts about that. Xenophobic turds. It would take people 10 seconds to learn why some of our houses are built the way they are but they won’t bother if they haven’t by now because they prefer the ignorance.

    AlexWIWA ,

    You’re taking this a bit too seriously, man. It’s like when we joke about the British having fucked up teeth. Just ribbing each other.

    M137 ,
    @M137@lemmy.world avatar

    Hitting a wall and having any chance of the wall breaking isn’t really a thing outside the US. Everyone elsewhere notices that a lot in movies and videos. It’s not uncommon for children outside America to ask adults why Americans have paper walls. People being mad and punching a wall and putting a fist-sized hole in it, falling and breaking the wall or throwing anything and the thing getting stuck in the wall. In most of the world it’s you or the thing hitting the wall that’ll break, not the wall itself.

    Fal ,
    @Fal@yiffit.net avatar

    The wall isn’t the structural integrity part of the house. And that’s for interior walls. You’re getting your opinions from the questions that children ask in other countries?

    Theharpyeagle ,

    To clarify, the paper (and rock underneath it) are not the structural part of the house, they just cover the actual structural parts (the studs) and provide a pocket to fill with insulation.

    pascal ,

    You know that tool called stud finder that you use in America if you ever think about hanging a picture on the wall, or a TV, otherwise you risk your wall falling down with anything attached to it?

    Never seen a stud finder in Europe.

    TheSanSabaSongbird ,

    Lol! Imagine thinking this is true.

    Mr_Blott ,

    Lol imagine reading this as a true statement. Fiction books must fuck you right up 😂

    Daxtron2 ,

    Bro read War of the Worlds and started prepping his bunker

    TheSanSabaSongbird ,

    Can you please explain to me exactly why and how it was objectively obvious that OP’s comment was meant to be taken as some kind of joke or satire?

    Because if you can’t, I have to think that you are little more than an arbitrarily condescending piece of shit.

    Mr_Blott ,

    Ok, I’ll walk you through it. I am OP btw

    I believe the basic structure is called a “bait and switch”, a fairly common writing trick

    I asked a builder why this was, and he said that the lateral forces created by a slightly tilted window

    This is the “bait” bit. It sounds like a real comment so far

    has just enough force to rip the entire side of a house clean off

    This is the part where, if you didn’t have the reading comprehension of a six month old duck, you’d start to realise that, perhaps this wasn’t a serious comment. There’s no way a slightly tilted window is ripping the entire side of a house off, surely? That’s the “switch”

    due to houses having the structural integrity of wet newspaper,

    This line is pretty much only there as a setup to the next line. Houses, I’m sorry to inform you, do not have the structural integrity of wet newspaper. That would be as dangerous as it is impractical

    which is the preferred construction method in the States

    This bit, unsurprisingly, isn’t exactly true either

    I hope, now that I’ve broken the comment into its constituant parts, that you’re rolling on the floor, clutching your aching ribs and laughing tears of joy.

    Explaining jokes always makes them far funnier

    Alk ,

    In this case it’s true, I am laughing more at this than the actual joke (which I also laughed at). This back and forth was the setup and the explanation is the punchline.

    AlexWIWA ,

    It’s like when Americans say British people have fucked up teeth. I don’t actually believe that, I just say it to make British people mad.

    Mocking our construction is a European joke that they love because it makes Americans mad. Simple as

    MystikIncarnate ,

    It’s preferred because it’s cheap.

    Nobody wants to pay a stone mason to put brick on the exterior of their homes. They used timber for a long time, but now all the new houses I’ve seen use the metal studs, which sounds great on paper until you realize it’s basically sheet metal stamped into a U kind of shape that’s the same size as a 2x4. It’s enough to hold up the drywall and maybe some pictures/paintings on the wall plus the occasional wall-mounted TV, but give it a couple hundred pounds of weight and it’s going to crumple into itself like aluminum foil.

    Honestly, most of the strength in the wall is now because of the drywall. The “studs” just keep them from falling over.

    Not saying timber was all that much better, but it could at least support someone standing on the top plate of a wall without folding in on itself.

    Can I get my house built from concrete board instead?

    peopleproblems ,

    I wish I could have a stone masonry building. My friend’s family used to own a hotel built by a stone mason. He invited us out to watch the company who bought it try to demolish it. Apparently they weren’t expecting proper brick and mortar to be so strong.

    MystikIncarnate ,

    Yep, and a lot of modern brickwork isn’t designed to be structural, so many of the components used are basically poor substitutes for the “real deal” so to speak.

    Stonework can be the strongest part of the building, or just little more than a facade.

    In a nearby town, the second story brickwork of a building came off of the structure and fell into the sidewalk and road. I don’t believe anyone was hurt, but the point is, sometimes, the brickwork is little more than just a wall. Other times, it’s basically keeping the building upright. In that case, the building didn’t go anywhere after losing the brickwork.

    I’m sure in your example, the brickwork was providing the primary support structure for the building, and it was built far better than what fell off of the building in my example.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I admit I’m an American and my windows don’t open that way, but I’m not sure why whoever made that meme thinks that means a light breeze can’t come through them. Because… a light breeze can come through them.

    JDubbleu , (edited )

    Yeah while the European windows are interesting I don’t really get why having a window open 50 different ways is useful. It seems like an over-engineered solution to just cracking the window. I also can’t imagine it’s more reliable than the good ole vertical/horizontal sliding windows which are just a window in a track.

    Many houses in the northeast have the old school vertical sliding windows with an extra glass pane that can be dropped in front of the screen. This creates an air insulated barrier between the internal and external glass panes and even on the 100+ year old windows I’ve seen they insulate very well.

    PeroBasta ,

    The main purpose in my opinion is that when the window is tilted open, it’s still almost as safe as when it’s closed, while still giving you a breeze inside the house. Keep in mind that this windows are sturdy and quite heavy with often triple glass so is not something you easily brake or force.

    Newer model have crazy good insulation.

    JDubbleu ,

    It still seems incredibly over engineered. Every window I’ve used in the US has a latch you flip out that prevents the window from opening more than a couple inches so that it’s still effectively locked. Newer windows here are also all double or triple panes with inert glass in between the panels for insulation.

    AlexWIWA ,

    Keep in mind, they usually don’t have central HVAC, so opening the window 50 ways is their temperature control. They’re not necessary in the US, but I still think euro windows are neat.

    Imgonnatrythis ,

    Lite breezes were great maybe 30 yrs ago. With modern heat waves and obesity you gonna sweat like a mofo 'les you figure out how to put an AC up in that tilt.

    hemko ,

    Jokes on you, average heat wave in Europe is 25C (77 Freedom units)

    Imgonnatrythis ,

    It’s not the mean that anyone remembers.

    protist ,

    From June to August 2022, persistent heatwaves affected parts of Europe with a confirmed death toll of 24,501

    The highest temperature recorded was 47.0 °C

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    Remember when it started back in the 90’s. Now summers in Southern Europe are basically Crematoria

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    Smog does it for me. Can barely ever open my windows to air out, I just get sickly car fumes mixed with rubber and asphalt particulates.

    derf82 ,

    Or, know, we could just crack open the bottom (in the case of the popular double hung, the top) of the window a little bit. But it is-3c (yes, we Americans understand metric) where I am now, so I have no interest in doing that. No Gulf Stream keeping us relatively mild in winter over here.

    Listen, you want to brag about health care, public transit, intercity high speed rail, or historic buildings, fine, you got us there. But stop with the air if superiority about everything else.

    domin8r ,

    Correct me if I am wrong because I really don’t know. But if you crack the bottom open can’t someone just slide the window open?

    joel_feila ,
    @joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

    they have a lock that stop them from sliding to far up. un do the lock and they slide all way up. most of one i have seen the lock locks when you pull the window down so you don’t have worry about for getting it.

    derf82 ,

    They would have to break through the screen first. Us Americans prefer not to let bugs in. And if it’s really a worry, there are stops or locks that can be put in. But honestly, it’s nice sometimes. Saved me a locksmith call more than once.

    Of course, both windows could just be smashed. You want to tell me European homes are some kind of fortress that thieves can’t get in?

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    That isn’t even a concern in a place like Compton (I lived in South Gate which borders Compton and Watts). Because even in places with a lot of violence, you don’t often get someone just coming through a window in the middle of the day if they see it open a crack because it’s pretty easy to defend yourself against someone trying to come through your window.

    Now sure, if you leave them open like that at night, it’s a bigger risk. But even then, home invasions mostly happen when no one is at home. Which makes sense.

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    We DO have some fine historic buildings.

    They all come with tilting windows btw.

    knightmare1147 ,

    Cool, yes everyone knows the US sucks can someone help us who have to live in it now?

    XEAL ,

    Bomb it and start over

    freedumb ,

    No need for bombs. Give them 20-25 years and they will remove the ‘United’ part of The United States on their own and have to start over.

    FireOffThePort ,

    This is the correct answer. Definitely don’t fucking bomb us unless you want to see what we spent our healthcare money on.

    jaschen ,

    In case of fire, I rather have a window that doesn’t include an instruction manual.

    Siegfried ,

    It’s easier than it looks like really

    nifty ,
    @nifty@lemmy.world avatar

    Americans:

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3c469cc9-0790-464f-bdd9-898d3ce838a7.jpeg

    baseless_discourse ,

    Until a surgery

    franklin ,
    @franklin@lemmy.world avatar

    I used to work for AT&t and it was all to common get someone cancelling while crying because their life is over and their credit is ruined because of the cost of a surgery that could never afford to pay. Sometimes we’d give them a couple months or something but a system like that shouldn’t exist

    Lightor ,

    Ya’ll ain’t seen the economy lately?

    Lon3star ,

    I’d settle for socialized healthcare

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    Oh the windows came as part of the deal.

    MystikIncarnate ,

    No they didn’t. I’m in Canada and we have socialized healthcare and I didn’t get any damn tilting Windows.

    I’ve been lied to!

    dantheclamman ,
    @dantheclamman@lemmy.world avatar

    Canada is like Europe with a couple wildcard American features baked in

    AlexWIWA ,

    Damn, that’s a tough decision

    Mog_fanatic ,

    How dare you. Just for one second think of someone other than yourself. How do you think the pharmaceutical companies are gonna feel about that? Or their poor shareholders? Pfizer’s CEO only made $33 million last year. How the hell do you expect him to feed his kids when he’s not making that much because your precious healthcare system ate into his meager earnings. The medical corporations are barely scraping by!!

    dantheclamman ,
    @dantheclamman@lemmy.world avatar

    CEO Chief Job Creator™

    FTFY

    ohlaph ,

    It’s the breeze, isn’t it?

    RememberTheApollo_ ,

    Put a screen in that fancy window and then we’ll talk.

    ThirdWorldOrder ,

    Yeah who the hell wants moths and mosquitoes in their house

    Retrograde ,
    @Retrograde@lemmy.world avatar

    It is truly bizarre how Europeans never use screens, make it make sense!!

    HopFlop ,

    Its not like the few mosquitoes we have would be smart enough to enter my room through the sides of a lightly tilted window.

    Ataraxia ,

    We had them in Italy. But we also didn’t have these weird windows. Also stop acting like Europe is a small town on an island.

    Retrograde , (edited )
    @Retrograde@lemmy.world avatar

    I honestly don’t think of Europe as a small town, I promise- I’m just saying I’ve been in many brilliant countries across Europe and I swear to you that I’ve never seen a screen. Where is the spider protection, I ask you?!

    This should be particularly important, I think, in the Scottish Highlands, land of midges, who want nothing more than to feast on your flesh. Still, not a screen in sight, although I must admit you certifiably need a very fine screen to prohibit those pesky wee bastards. There seems to be a sort of gentlemen’s alliance though because it seems that the midge rarely enters a human dwelling, maybe out of fear of pure Scottish fury, but mark my words … they sit and wait.

    I will digress also that in our defense, Scots do use midge nets when camping unless we’re on our 10th Tennant’s, in which case it’s really no bother

    Aux ,

    There are no mosquitoes in the UK. And moths are rare. Would be lucky to see a fly.

    ThirdWorldOrder , (edited )

    No wonder your country is a superpower. We have the other windows in the USA because we do get these flying bastards.

    PurplebeanZ ,

    There are definitely mosquitos in the UK. They piss me off every summer.

    Aux ,

    Well, compared to my home country mosquitos in the UK don’t really exist…

    Marcbmann ,

    American with these windows. I have screens. I also don’t like them very much.

    Throwdownyourgrandma ,

    There are screens for tilt windows. You put them on the outside instead of the inside.

    samus12345 ,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, but most places in Europe don’t have screens regardless.

    Throwdownyourgrandma ,

    True that!

    XEAL ,

    Bruh many old homes in Europe don’t have these fancy windows.

    Source: WHERE ARE MY FUCKING TILTING WINDOWS!?

    lud ,

    Yeah, tilting and flipping and all all other crazy stuff is a fairly new thing .

    HopFlop ,

    I have never seen non-tilting windows. At least in Germany, pretty much every house has these. These windows were invented around 1950 after all…

    lud ,

    They are fairly common but not everywhere here.

    But my country wasn’t destroyed in two world wars so that might be the reason we still have old windows in old buildings.

    nl4real , (edited )

    What the fuck? This is witchcraft.

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s funny you lot said the same thing in the 1600’s!

    nl4real ,

    Fucking witches stole my garden gnomes!

    lntl ,

    this is how we do out here in the heartland

    https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/058b5d2e-0645-49c1-847f-8982c6d96a95.jpeg

    MonkeMischief ,

    Ah I can hear that rattle now…

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