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unphazed ,

I’m fine. Central HVAC, no need for a breeze

moon ,

This is not a flex, these are just worse then sliding windows lol. Something like bidets are clear upgrades, but this ain’t it.

psud ,

Agreed. A sliding window can be securely locked partially open. Tilt swing windows aren’t secure enough to leave a window open while away

rottingleaf , (edited )

I live in an area with -30 Celsius sometimes (once or twice in my life, haha, but -20 would work too), with sliding windows there’d be ice inside.

moon ,

How would sliding windows change that

siha ,

There isn’t a space where an icicle can grow, but you can’t reach it. If an icicle is inside a sliding window there is a high chance you can’t reach it. Tilting windows also (mostly) prevent the rain from being blown inside the room.

moon ,

Inside a window? They’re vertical? Also sliding windows are the best at keeping rain out.

Ascend910 ,

I visited Bosten before, and if i can remember it right. Some of their windows can do that

supercritical ,
@supercritical@lemmy.world avatar

People act like you can’t just order these kinds of windows in the US. It’s not the default, but you can just ask about them if you know about them.

lolcatnip ,

If you’re in a position to replace your windows.

Kase ,

You’re right, when replacing your windows, it’s all about form. Remember: lift with your legs, not with your back.

(In case it isn’t clear, I’m trying to spin a joke on the meaning of “in a position”)

MammyWhammy ,

They’re also like three times the cost of standard windows, which is why most buildings don’t have them.

nexguy ,
@nexguy@lemmy.world avatar

America is huge. We have areas with weather just like Europe and areas with weather nothing like Europe. One country but many weathers.

swag_money ,

Europe is my favorite country

nexguy ,
@nexguy@lemmy.world avatar

The country of “America” is also a favorite.

psud ,

That doesn’t work well since America is the common name for the US, and we can the continent the US, Canada, and Mexico share North America

nexguy ,
@nexguy@lemmy.world avatar

Well the meme just says Europe and was posted by a European so…

postmateDumbass ,

South America still ignored.

psud ,

If you want to include the lot it’s “the Americas”

postmateDumbass ,

So who are Americans?

Obi ,
@Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

Yep, didn’t you know you get the exact same weather in Athens and in Oslo?

Surp ,
@Surp@lemmy.world avatar

Imagine not having AC like much of Europe

Siegfried ,

Sometimes you just don’t need it

RoseRose56 ,
@RoseRose56@lemmy.world avatar

Especially if the house is old, made with stones!

flathead ,

Yes, temperature difference inside to out is amazing with solid masonry and ceiling insulation. No AC required.

AlexWIWA ,

Disagree. I’ve found stone brick houses to be unbearably hot in the southern US. They turn into an oven.

Obi ,
@Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

I’ve never seen actual stone houses in north America, only those fake panels on the outside. Bricks are different and require additional insulation, usually you get 2 layers with insulation in between.

AlexWIWA ,

There are plenty here in the south west

Obi ,
@Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

Looked it up, didn’t find much but did find this, these look like made of stone indeed but maybe it’s because they’re thinner? When I think of stone houses I think of things like this with very thick walls, we have these in all the really hot countries like Italy, Spain, southern France etc and I can confirm they stay cool inside even when it’s 40°c outside.

AlexWIWA ,

Our brick is usually brick, then some wood frame bolted to that, then insulation in the gaps, and dry wall. The insulation is pretty good, but the issue is usually the roof, and the windows being older than double pane tech. So they let the heat in and then cook, badly.

But yeah we don’t have much stone like that picture. Usually we use concrete if we want walls that thick. Concrete + HVAC works very well here because there’s not a lot of humidity.

We mostly stopped using brick though because earthquakes annihilate brick buildings even after reinforcement. The only thing timber seems to be good at is resisting those.

Obi ,
@Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

Yep earthquakes are basically non-existent in these parts so it’s not a factor, I think the Japanese have a bunch of techniques for concrete buildings that survive earthquakes and special building codes so the structure can move etc. Older roofs are definitely a problem here as well but if it’s less than like 10/20 years old then it’ll also have all the good insulation stuff.

AlexWIWA ,

Yeah concrete holds up very well with modern construction thankfully. But our building codes don’t have shit on the Japanese. Their earthquake resistance is magic to me

flathead ,

You’re describing “brick veneer” construction - with one skin of bricks and an internal timber frame - which, as you’ve apparently experienced, is not very effective at keeping the space cool (although probably better than timber/stucco cladding). Solid masonry is usually two skins of brick with a cavity or equivalent thickness of concrete / stone block exterior walls.

AlexWIWA ,

No they’re old houses made from brick that later had a timber frame retrofitted internally to run electrical and HVAC. The frame just holds up false walls. I’m mainly talking about old houses here

flathead ,

If it was solid stone (thickness of two brick skins) with additional insulating material behind the tacked on plasterboard then I’m surprised to hear that it didn’t stay reasonably comfortable in hot weather and would suspect other factors, such as metal roofing and/or inadequate ceiling insulation may be the reason for that.

AlexWIWA ,

I think that was indeed the issue. There’s always a leak somewhere in those old houses and they become brutal when there is

peopleproblems ,

Or you live in Minnesota, where half the year it used to be unbearably cold so you needed central heat. Then half the year it was so goddamn humid and hot we needed central AC, or at least a window unit.

We do get the benefit of having homes with a basement implied to protect both the pipes from freezing and our necks from tornadoes in December now

elephantium ,
@elephantium@lemmy.world avatar

I live in Minnesota. It’s not quite as bad as you say. Opening windows overnight and closing them in the morning works pretty well to keep the house comfortable for most of the summer…well, except when we’re inundated with smoke from the wildfires.

moitoi ,
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Imagine not having enough insulation to need an AC.

Surp ,
@Surp@lemmy.world avatar

Lol have fun cooking with global warming bro

SaltyIceteaMaker ,
@SaltyIceteaMaker@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

opens 2 windows each on seperate sides of the house/apartment

AlexWIWA ,

Doesn’t work as well when it’s 115° outside like much of the US

gentooer ,

It would be quite scary to see our lakes boiling

AlexWIWA ,

115° in moron units, not Celsius.

Nalivai ,

Maybe isolate your house and turn off the AC and delay global warming for a bit then

Obi ,
@Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

He says, while being the cause of global warming with 24/7 AC.

Surp ,
@Surp@lemmy.world avatar

Lol what a tool. If I have 100% renewable energy at my house how’s that contributing?

Obi ,
@Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

Energy is only a part of the equation.

“Much of the existing cooling equipment uses hydrofluorocarbon refrigerants, which are potent greenhouse gases, and use a lot of energy, making them a double burden for climate change. Even with the phasedown of hydrofluorocarbons required by the Kigali Amendment to the Montreal Protocol, business as usual means emissions from refrigeration and air conditioning are expected to double by 2030 and triple by 2050, rising from 7 per cent of global GHG emissions today. Right now, the more we cool, the more we heat the planet. If we are serious about reversing current trends, we cannot go about cooling our planet with a business-as-usual approach.”

unep.org/…/air-conditioners-fuel-climate-crisis-c…

pascal ,

The amount of energy wasted in America for all the houses with AC they have, could have propelled an entire society to Mars.

Emerald ,

lots of non-house buildings in the usa have tilting windows.

Socsa ,

Imagine not having screens in your windows.

This post was made by the flying insects gang.

Marcbmann ,

I’m in the US and have these windows. They have screens. They’re also not that special. I prefer the regular windows

limelight79 ,

I was starting to wonder if Europe didn’t have insects, because the hotels I’ve stayed in (in Europe) that had them didn’t have screens for them.

GoodEye8 ,

We have civilized insects, they respect our privacy and don’t enter unless they must.

Obi ,
@Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

You’re joking but that’s basically it, it’s just not an issue in most places.

rottingleaf , (edited )

I have these windows in Moscow, Russia since recently (had old windows with separate wooden frames with thick glass made somewhere about 70s, they looked nice though) and like that I can use the sill as a table with laptop and tea and some stuff now, and tilt it instead of moving the laptop aside.

Aganim , (edited )

Ah yes, the good old Russian defenestration windows. I assume you have the FSB-mandated variant that is capable of both tilting and swinging, for… ease of access?

rottingleaf ,

My brain had a segfault reading your comment, because the approved ones would obviously not be “anti-defenestration”, but yeah, swinging is nice

Aganim ,

Yeah, sorry, my dark sense of humour didn’t combine very well with typing it out before my first cup of coffee.

A_Chilean_Cyborg ,
@A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl avatar

They seem expensive.

kamen ,

Not really. What you see on the picture can be had for as little as like 200-300 EUR depending on the glazing, moreover it’s not something you buy every day - usually only when you renovate every 10-15 years or whatever.

A_Chilean_Cyborg ,
@A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl avatar

That IS expensive.

kamen ,

Wait until you hear about the price of a whole renovation.

A_Chilean_Cyborg ,
@A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl avatar

Sure is more than the average yearly wage here.

Tier1BuildABear ,
@Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world avatar

Am I the only American with tilting windows? We definitely have them

joel_feila ,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

I can just slide my window up a bit.

ohlaph ,

What quantifies a bit in this particular case?

tpihkal ,

Just a tad. Hope that helps, thanks!

ohlaph ,

Thank you.

nublets ,

Jokes on you, my windows make a light breeze when shut!

phoenixz ,

European Window frames are heavy and sturdy, many times with thick wood or metal. The window is double paned, sometimes tripple Most window frames I’ve seen throughout Canada, USA and Mexico, are mostly flimsy aluminium frames that can warp super easily, most of the time with a single window pane in it

macbayne82 ,

I can’t help but notice Phoenix in your username, you from the south? Because up north, you’d freeze with those kind of windows. Most here are wood or steel framed, and double paned.

Ignisnex ,
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I still get frost on the inside of my double paned windows up here in the great white north. No joke, windows are engineered to hell here

anarchy79 ,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

Frost on the inside indicates it’s not properly sealed, as far as I seem to recall. But I’m no window expert (I use arch btw).

Ignisnex ,
@Ignisnex@lemmy.world avatar

Normally I’d agree, but the glass just gets real cold when it’s -40 outside. Condensation freezes on it.

barsoap ,

Aluminium frames are actually the most long-lived, also, in case you didn’t notice aluminium is a metal.

Cheap European windows tend to be plastic, expensive ones wood or aluminium though the latter aren’t generally used in domestic settings. The plastic ones often have wood in them for structural reasons but it’s so ugly noone would ever expose it.

Generally speaking the frames could hold longer if built better, but then you’d pay out of your nose for window panes that don’t fail earlier those inert gases aren’t easy to seal in for decades on end.

TheSanSabaSongbird ,

As someone with nearly 30 years experience in various types of construction, I can say for a fact that this is objectively incorrect. There’s a trope about any kind of social media content that touches on a subject about which one has real expertise, don’t remember exactly how it goes, but anyhow, let’s just say that the ignorance in this thread is absolutely astonishing.

Go down to your local big box hardware store and try to find a single-pane window, for example. You can’t because nobody makes them. If you want a single-pane window you have to buy a sheet of glass and know how to install and glaze it yourself.

lntl ,

this is how we do out here in the heartland

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/058b5d2e-0645-49c1-847f-8982c6d96a95.jpeg

MonkeMischief ,

Ah I can hear that rattle now…

nl4real , (edited )

What the fuck? This is witchcraft.

anarchy79 ,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

That’s funny you lot said the same thing in the 1600’s!

nl4real ,

Fucking witches stole my garden gnomes!

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