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Wanderer ,

Why do Americans ruin everything?

It’s not no shave November is Movember. Moustaches for Novemeber. Optional sideburns but they can’t touch the moustache. Just like the cool old timers. It’s been very clear when this started what the rules were.

And it isn’t about doing it as a challenging it’s about raising awareness and money for testicular cancer.

RIP_Cheems ,
@RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

Since when do you have to write a 50k novel?

TheSanSabaSongbird ,

Also, 50k words is pretty short for a novel. It’s more of a novella.

voidMainVoid ,

They’re talking about National Novel Writing Month (aka NaNoWriMo) which is November.

Pencilnoob ,

Illuminating manuscripts on vellum November

yamanii ,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

Didn’t know about the novel one, but I already forgone NNN when doctors said it was bullshit.

CodexArcanum ,

National Novel Writing Month, often abbreviated NaNoWriMo, is an annual event encouraging people to finally write that novel they’ve always said they would. The goal is to write 50K words during the month. There are usually meet ups, writing workshops, and other gatherings so participants can encourage each other, share ideas, and generally have fun being part of a thing.

Edit to add: The “nation” is the USA I’m assuming. I’m in the USA and have only heard of it being a US thing. Presumably if you live somewhere else and want to write a book in November, the various online communities would be glad to have you though.

worldsayshi ,

Great now I have to write a 50k word novel in 82 minutes.

CodexArcanum ,

You got this bro, I believe in you!

TheSanSabaSongbird ,

Some ridiculous percentage of all currently publishing novelists in the US have an MFA in literature or creative writing or something similar. If this makes you feel a little suspicious about how the publishing industry actually works, it should. It’s very much a closed ecosystem that’s all about recycling the tried and true and that is highly risk averse in terms of straying from the norm. This is why it’s almost impossible for “regular” people to get a novel published unless they self-publish.

Ilovethebomb ,

Does anyone actually do any those challenges? I always thought it was a joke.

Donkter ,

The communities for both of those challenges are so far apart that I doubt anyone does both.

Ilovethebomb ,

Does anyone actually do either though?

starman2112 ,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Can confirm, at least one person has done NNN and no shave november. It’s really easy, you just have to not do a thing and you’re set

papalonian ,

A lot of people do No Shave November, I assume anyone who says they do No Nut November is joking and I’ve never heard of the book one until now

Fridgeratr ,

I’m doing no shave and trying to grow a beard. It’s not going very well lol, it looks like shit

Ilovethebomb ,

It takes at least a month to get past the itchy and scraggly stage into something dignified.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

So is self-flagellation, if you’re into self-denial and masochism. Make of that statement what you will.

voidMainVoid ,

That doesn’t sound like self-denial. What are you denying? That sounds like an indulgence.

SzethFriendOfNimi ,

I know I know. Not a lot of synonyms that start with N

bingbong ,

Stig_Martyr ,

Tangent5280 ,

whats with the book writing thing? First I’m hearing about it.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

New Novel November

(November is National Novel Writing month in which you’re encouraged to write a 50k+ word novel)

cantstopthesignal ,

I would like to know who in the fuck thinks they can write a novel in only a month.

captainlezbian ,

Brandon Sanderson

Patches ,

Branderson

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

Just finished his 4 secret project books. Also just finished the first Mistborn trilogy with my son and started in on the Wax and Wayne series with him (I’ve already read them). I freaking love me some Brandon Sanderson.

captainlezbian ,

Nice. Yeah his prose is meh, but the world building, character writing, and volume are amazing. I’m in the middle of stormlight right now and loving it.

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

Stormlight is my absolute favorite series. Yeah, Sanderson doesn’t write as flowery as some authors, but that’s not what I’m looking for. I love how he puts together a whole world with a new magic system, history, religions, political climate, etc. Then is like, alright so that’s what the world was like hundreds of years ago, now let’s see what happens when they get guns and spaceships!

toomanypancakes ,
@toomanypancakes@lemmy.world avatar

If you can make time for 1,700 words a day starting on the 1st then by the end of the month you’ve exceeded 50k

Making time and having energy for 1,700 words a day on top of daily life activities and working a job is the trick.

Kusimulkku ,

1700 words shouldn’t take that long. Are you allowed to write on the computer?

toomanypancakes ,
@toomanypancakes@lemmy.world avatar

I assume so, I don’t see why not

Kusimulkku ,

That’s gonna be piss easy!

Viking_Hippie ,

Of course. The trick is that you have to come up with which words to use in what order yourself.

Kusimulkku ,

Well the challenge is about word count, not about making a coherent novel.

I’m gonna cheese this challenge so hard.

Viking_Hippie ,

If you want to go through a lot of trouble to make something long that doesn’t make sense, Dadaist theater is easier and more fun… 🤷

Kusimulkku ,

I want to win that achievement

Viking_Hippie ,

Steam and/or console gamer, I see…

9point6 ,

Hmmm, but are we speedrunning to 50k or are we going for the word record in the amount of time given?

As obviously we would need different cheesing strategies

Patches ,

If college taught me anything, it’s that I can write thousands of words per night. Typically fastest in the wee hours of the morning.

None of these words are good, mind you, but they are in fact words.

Sheltac ,

Oh yeah. Some of my worst work is on those mega-inspired days where I sit for 10h and crank out 10000 words.

To this day I don’t know why I do that if I end up throwing most of it away.

Maybe it’s good to get bad plot out of the system.

rwhitisissle ,

November is National Novel Writing month and December is National Edit the Terrible Novel You Just Wrote month.

Sheltac ,

December

Haha, more like the entire next year.

cantstopthesignal ,

For me, a good day is about 1000 words. I really run out of juice after that and just type bland shit. That’s about 3 months for a decent draft.

Sheltac ,

Oh it depends massively for me. One of my best (IMHO) short stories is 8k and was written over 10-12h in a day.

But that has to be a pretty special day.

On bad days I usually go into the negatives 😂

ickplant OP ,
@ickplant@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve done it. You’re not supposed to come up with a finished product in 30 days (although some people do). Mine was a first draft of roughly 55k words.

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’m reading a short book by Patrick Rothfuss (The Narrow Road Between Desires). This dude is such a notoriously slow writer that it drives me crazy. He had the audacity to do an author’s introduction where he said this was an existing story of his, but he added 15k words to it. I’m like… what is that, a couple weeks? Write faster, you bastard!

TheActualDevil ,

And it’s not like this kind of attitude online has in any way made him self-conscious and led to us most likely never getting the conclusion to his series.

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

I love the idea of Rothfuss planning all day, coming up with the perfect next chapter in his life’s work, knowing just how to wrap up the intricate threads he’s woven. Then he boots up his laptop, slowly stretches and cracks his fingers. Just before he opens up his word processor to record his beautifully crafted prose, he decides to check out Lemmy for a few minutes. Then he comes across a random comment of mine saying how his fans are frustrated at his pace of writing, and just goes:

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/9aa890a9-bcef-4050-8914-83fd81f43288.png

TheActualDevil ,

“I absolutely care about finishing the book… I feel bad about [not giving people what they want] all the time. It’s one of the things that’s fucking me up, I’m in a lot of therapy right now… I went from fiddling around with a book that I just liked to work on and I knew would never be published… then it’s like 'hey a million people are disappointed in you because they want this book. It’s not a great feeling. … If I didn’t care about the book, you’d have it by now… I owe everyone who loved the book something beautiful”

https://www.reddit.com/r/KingkillerChronicle/comments/k52gcz/pat_on_how_much_he_cares_about_finishing_book_3/

Literally, the pressure makes it harder for him to make the book he thinks the fans deserve.

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

Exactly dude. He’s sold 10,000,000+ books and the pressure is clearly too much for him. And while we can’t unsell those books for him, the best we can do is spread the word far and wide that Patrick Rothfuss writes like old people fuck. If we each do our best to discourage new fans from jumping on the hype train, we just might have a shot at getting the 3rd Kingkiller Chronicles book before we die.

akincisor ,

Isaac Asimov. The guy was a fucking robot.

flambonkscious ,

Yeah, well, when you develop characters as much as he did, it’s manageable, I guess.

He did some good world building, though - don’t get me wrong, I feasted on the Hari/robot series several times over!

captainlezbian ,

Then there was L. Ron Hubbard. Nobody spewed words like L Ron. Nobody wrote pulp like L Ron. Motherfucker could churn out a book in a day

MaxVoltage ,
@MaxVoltage@lemmy.world avatar

as someone who had to do this stuff as a haze in college its doable but its hell without amphetamines

Vaginal_blood_fart ,

Branden Sanderson

TheActualDevil ,

He also does a friendly competition thing with his fans in his subreddit every year in November. He posts how many words he writes in a week and encourages others to post their word-count to see if anyone can keep up with his output.

Vaginal_blood_fart ,

Dudes a machine

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Nobody said it had to be a good novel.

LemmyKnowsBest ,

I bet it was Stephen King’s idea.

Default_Defect ,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

Fuck that.

wieson ,

In which nation?

pruwybn ,
@pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

!nanowrimo

(Sadly not very active of a community yet)

wheeldawg ,

That acronym sounds familiar, but I haven’t heard it in years. Totally forgot it existed.

BellaDonna ,

API error trying to access that community

pruwybn ,
@pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

If your instance hasn’t “seen” it yet, you might need to find it in the search tool for it to show up.

funkless_eck ,

its called NaNoWriMo

wieson ,

Nah, not writing month

luthis ,

I’m so dam good at that challenge.

jerome ,
@jerome@lemmy.world avatar

Why are you guys doing this to yourselves?

AngryCommieKender ,

Masochists

starbreaker ,
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    wheeldawg ,

    But I am.

    starman2112 ,
    @starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

    NaNoWriMo? It’s a push to get that writing project out of your brain and onto paper, it’s super helpful for some people just to have something telling them to do the thing.

    NNN? Test of self control. “I can quit any time I want” is something addicts say when they can’t quit any time they want. It’s also super easy; if it feels like masochism to not nut for more than a week, you’re addicted.

    No shave november? Pure, unadulterated laziness.

    YoBuckStopsHere ,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    Millennial problems

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I solve this problem by not writing a book and masturbating.

    ickplant OP ,
    @ickplant@lemmy.world avatar

    At the same time‽

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes. It is very easy to masturbate while not writing.

    Gork ,

    Easy for you to say. I struggle with this.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ll send you a pamphlet.

    dependencyinjection ,

    Bro. I swear to god me, you, and a user called “the piccard manoeuvre” are like the only three users on here.

    Like I see y’all everywhere. I had discussions with you in many places at this point.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I have a lot of free time at the moment, although that’s going to end next year.

    MajesticSloth ,
    @MajesticSloth@lemmy.world avatar

    Will you still have time to masturbate while not writing?

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    It won’t be November anymore, so what’s the point?

    dependencyinjection ,

    What happens next year?

    You don’t have to share. Just curious is all.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    My daughter starts a new online school program and I have to be a “learning coach” which basically means I have to keep an eye on her during the school day and help her when she needs it.

    dependencyinjection ,

    Ah nice. It’s nice to have something to do like that.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I think it will be very difficult, but rewarding. Going down to a single income sucks, but she had to be taken out of school because of some serious bullying. I just hope this will make her happier.

    dependencyinjection ,

    You sound like a great person. I’m sorry that your daughter had to go through bullying and even worse, she is the one that has to change her life.

    I wish you both success.

    You’re right, it’s a terrible time to drop to a single income.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Thanks, I really appreciate it. Have a good holidays!

    clearedtoland ,

    This thread went longer and more serious than I could’ve imagined at the outset. Glad I stuck with it! Congrats on the mod role (maybe I’m late to notice?).

    Sorry to hear about your daughter and income situation. Kids, and the parents that raise them that way, can be such di**s.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Thanks for all of that. The mod thing was a surprise to me. One day, I was a mod. No one asked me. And that thread is getting dangerously close to the maximum number of posts Discourse allows.

    jballs ,
    @jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I hear you can save a lot of time by writing Lemmy comments while masturbating.

    AngryCommieKender ,

    I’m here too, as well as VikingHippie

    Denvil ,

    Only 3 users? Don’t you count us lurkers out, we’re here too. We’re always here… always.

    dependencyinjection ,

    It just I notice those other names a heck of a lot.

    Zink ,

    Some of the meme gods of !risa will grace other communities with their fire hose of content.

    nixcamic ,

    The Picard manoeuvre is everywhere, don’t know if I’ve ever seen you guys.

    lugal ,

    So that’s your trick, you write pamphlets instead of book, I see. I’ll try that next time

    drew_belloc ,
    @drew_belloc@programming.dev avatar

    Impossible, i’ve tried so hard and still wrote at least a 3 pages story

    M137 ,

    Or you could solve it by nut writing a book. Make it a two birds, one stone thing, but more like “many nuts, one book”

    HerbalGamer ,
    @HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

    technically invisible ink

    kenblu24 ,
    @kenblu24@lemmy.world avatar

    hate it here hate it here hate it here hate it here hate it here hate it here hate it here hate it here

    Sondermotor ,

    There’s a 50k word novel that doesn’t use the letter E. Doubling the word count while only using A, C, G, T, & U is on another level.

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