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Lazerbeams2 , in Winning

Mulan gets shit done. Most of the others don’t even have any confirmed kills

Samsy ,

Snowhite faked her death and send her dwarf army to kill an apple selling granny.

itsgroundhogdayagain , in I always felt bad for Tom. He was just doing his job.

Jerry was kind of a asshole. I always root for Tom.

nodsocket ,

Jerry was just trying to survive. And get back at his tormentor.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Tom got beaten by (god I hate calling her this but it’s her character name) Mammy if he didn’t do his job.

CarbonatedPastaSauce ,

They’re both psychotic, just like almost every other cartoon character. It wouldn’t be nearly as interesting to watch otherwise!

bjoern_tantau , in Winning
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But did she actually kill them? They were just buried under the snow and managed to dig themselves out. Mulan just finished off the leader in the end.

FirstPitchStrike ,

Been a while, but as I remember, he had a whole army with him that got buried. And only an elite strike force sized team managed to crawl out.

lasagna , in rip
@lasagna@programming.dev avatar

He did away with Pluto and that’s all the evidence I need to believe this.

fernandu00 , in You didn't bought it you rented it!

Looks like I’m not changing my almost 10 year HP LaserJet printer after all…

MeatsOfRage ,

Picked up a brother monochrome laser printer 3 years ago. I’d never get anything else, it’s a printing beast.

Schmuppes ,

Same here. Granted, I don’t print a lot, but maybe that’s exactly why my Brother monochrome is so good for me. It cost three times as much as a basic colour inkjet with a flatbed scanner, but at least it’s reliable whenever I do need it. It simply does what it’s supposed to, and it’s fast.

sjpwarren ,

You can try, I recently went to buy Ink for my old HP ink jet and found it hard to find them in stock. Seems they stopped making them. A perfectly good printer is nearly useless because they stopped making cartridges

Ignacio , in rip

So, we have the author of the crime and the tool he used to commit the crime. But what about his motivation? Hmmm...

bumblebrainbee , (edited ) in stop asking for a karma system

I’m not understanding how lemmy doesn’t have karma when there’s still the upvote/downvote function and profiles still mark how many votes you got for comments and posts.

Edit: Someone asked what app I’m using but I can’t find the comment. I’m using Connect for Lemmy

Angry_Maple ,
@Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works avatar

Some instances hide it, iirc

pizzatime ,

Reddit weighed things according to total amount of karma the poster had. afaik Lemmy doesn’t have that feature

LazyBane ,

Having Karma gives users a high score to achieve, which incentives posting things that you know gets upvotes over something helpful or your genuine opinion.

bumblebrainbee ,

How is lemmy different when we can still see these points. I’m just not understanding, I’m sorry.

propaganja ,

Because the points only relate to the post, not you. You can’t see your aggregate total from all posts combined, which would otherwise incentivize you to post things that will add to your total “high score”.

You still have a minor incentive to post a high scoring comment, but it’s only per-comment. If you feel like pleasing the masses, go ahead and play to their wants and needs. You might get a lot of points for it, and it’ll feel nice.

But if you wanna tell em how you really feel and put them in their place, you can just not care about your points for that post. It’s whatever. There’s no danger that your -478 points is going to drag down your total, discouraging you from ever posting something that upsets the status quo.

bumblebrainbee ,

I think I’m confused because I actually can see how many point everyone and myself has accumulated.

utopianrevolt ,

It could possibly be your frontend. What app / webapp are you using for Lemmy?

bumblebrainbee ,

Finally I can actually reply to you! I’m using Connect for Lemmy.

JeffCraig ,

Does it? I don’t think it records how many upvotes you’ve received.

bumblebrainbee ,

Maybe it depends on the app/instance? I can click on your profile and see you have 500+ points, for example. So I’m still confused on the whole lemmy doesn’t have karma thing when I see basically lemmy karma.

themeatbridge ,

One problem I foresee is that it would be too easy to game any karma system in a federated space. One could conceivably create their own instance and use bots to give “unearned” upvotes.

jayrodtheoldbod , (edited )

The upvote/downvote system by itself is really just a human powered sorting algorithm that uses consensus to move the most relevant comments up where they can be seen, and to hide unproductive comments at the bottom.

So if all you have is an upvote/downvote system, that’s all it is. Note that it doesn’t matter that much, with a simple up/down system, if you got a bunch of downvotes. Your comment got buried, but that’s kind of the end of it.

Karma is a score attached to individual users that probably sounded like a good idea at the time, but it tallies whether you have more upvotes than downvotes, and probably some other mess under the hood. It was supposed to be a measure of how often a given user provides relevant and helpful feedback to others. In practice, it’s a social credit score like the one being developed by the Chinese government.

Even worse, karma got used as a metric to aim for, and it’s what you used to make sure that your accounts were marketable to buyers, who wanted lots of positive comment karma on accounts, so they could post where they liked once they bought them.

When Reddit was born it was even techy-er than it is, now. So there was a lot of discussion about programming, and programming problems, similar to what happens on Stack Overflow these days.

Imagine I’ve asked Reddit a programming question of some sort, and soon, some comments reply.

User A, first on the scene: Idunno, man this looks like a tough one (doesn’t answer the question, not really relevant)

User B, who showed up later: Ah yes, that’s a bitch [proceeds to answer the question in detail, very helpful to OP and everyone else].

So, as a user, even a spectator, you were supposed to upvote User B, and maybe downvote A. Upvoting B was more important than downvoting A, since the upvotes would bring B’s answer up to the top, anyway, while A’s answer would fall down without anyone downvoting them on purpose. You were supposed to be hesitant to downvote, because of this. The poor answer essentially downvotes itself, no need to dogpile on User A.

Without a karma system, that’s the end of it. User A’s poor answer has no bearing on their treatment anywhere, their performance is not recorded and shown to the public at all, and User B may develop a reputation as a helpful person by name alone, but there’s no karma, there, either. The whole thing stayed within the context of that post. User B’s helpful post floats to the very top of the thread on a wave of upvotes, the end.

With a karma system comes a new dimension.

User B, who provided the great answer, would begin to accumulate positive comment karma, and in theory this would help you to judge B’s answers in the future, just like you check the reviews on an Amazon listing. Remember that B might be answering a question on which you were ignorant, so you depend on karma to see if this person gives good answers, usually, or if he’s just troll noise.

Reddit was born in the era of people asking a computer question and getting, “oh, yeah, just delete system32” as an answer. For the record, that is a very important Windows system process you must never delete, so that’s just troll shit, trying to fuck an ignorant person over for lulz.

Reddit was trying to thwart that with the karma system, they needed people to be able to ask questions and get good faith answers. If a user provided lots of troll answers and lies, that should mean lots of downvotes from other users, negative karma. People know not to trust this person’s answers, at least not easily. If they have tons of positive karma, shit man, that might be The Woz answering you for all you knew, a good sign.

It was entirely up to you, the user, to be very high-minded about this. So, even if User Z said something that you didn’t like, but it added important information to the conversation, you would still upvote that comment. That kinda sorta worked, but then the Great Digg Migration happened, and a flood of normies came on board.

Normies all used the downvote button for what it was obviously for, it’s a fuck you go away I don’t like you button. It was pretty naive to think it would be anything else, but the founders had high hopes.

Now you can start accumulating negative comment karma from saying or doing things other people don’t like, it doesn’t take much, and automated moderation systems will start doing things like blocking you from joining communities because you have too much negative comment karma. It is assumed that you would have better karma if you weren’t a shitty person. However, it’s easy to abuse. If a bunch of fashy people downvote the everloving shit out of somebody for saying something like “black lives matter” now the wrong damn person ended up with lots of negative comment karma.

The fash can also open lots of extra accounts and upvote the hell out of each other and themselves, so they have lots of positive comment karma while being literal practicing Nazis at the same time. It’s pretty easy to game the karma system and not very useful anymore. In practice, your karma score just records how often you comment things that the Reddit hive mind agrees with. The highest karma points probably belong to bots.

It’s problematic, to say the least.

So it’s possible to ditch the karma system entirely while still using upvote/downvote, they’re actually two separate things. Since we are no longer all that worried about a solution to programming questions, and since the idea of karma got corrupted and stepped on pretty bad, it would be nice to leave it the hell behind with Reddit, where it belongs.

That is what OP is arguing for. Perhaps on the Fediverse we can forge ahead with new approaches, and let this Reddit-like situation be a springboard to something better in the future, something more unique to Lemmy itself.

Imotali ,
@Imotali@lemmy.world avatar

This is a much better write up than I expected from this comment section… you deserve at least hotdog for this effort.

xaxl ,

I think they should put an extra condiment on there too, even some onion. Was a fantastic take on exactly how beyond the surface of the system that they are very different at their core.

One of the worst things Reddit to itself did was not address how easy it was to game this system after they blew up and the problems became evident. The flood of automod bots and other things to try to address it just made the platform worse imo.

One thing I never want to see on Lemmy is a bot that checks the communities you’re subscribed to and automatically permabans you no matter what. That thing reinforced terrible echo chambers and was a lazy insult to the users of the platform overall.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Several apps already show total user comment and post upvotes.

Here is your profile from Memmy

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e990fd20-b3ae-451d-820a-1f0a3919f434.png

pineapplelover ,

I think I saw somewhere that there is still karma but it isn’t viewable.

vudu , in You didn't bought it you rented it!

Third voice for a Brother. I used to work an office supply store and they were by far the most reliable printers we sold.

sadreality ,

Saw some people posting recently they sold out also

Buffalox ,

I also heard a rumor about something somewhere, that maybe something might have happened. But I’m not sure. /S

I just installed a Brother printer for my dad, absolutely zero bullshit.

empireOfLove ,

Yes, some of their firmware updates started breaking aftermarket toner cartridges and support said “that sucks” like it was very intentional. It seems constrained to a few of the MFC color models more than anything tho I’ve never had any issues other than bad wifi modules in the b&w home office lasers. Which if you’re using wifi on a printer that’s your own damn fault lol

Buffalox ,

Yeah I’m not sure whether this is shenanigans or an actual problem Brother is managing here. The post does mention there are problems with incorrect response to temperature management with the unoriginal cartridge, which again could theoretically cause harm.

I honestly wasn’t aware unoriginal cartridges were a thing for Brother printers, since the originals tend to be quite reasonable.

But to continue using the unoriginal cartridges he can as the answer states, use BRAdmin to downgrade the firmware.

So it’s not like Brother is attempting to take control of your printer like HP likes to do.

u_tamtam ,
@u_tamtam@programming.dev avatar

I’m sure HP didn’t ramp up their bullshit from 0 to 11 overnight, the question now is how much we can trust Brother not to be walking the same path and mandating more and more restrictive firmwares in the future. I think them opensourcing drivers and firmwares would help mitigate that, and if their business model is really to be that sole good guy and antagonize the likes of HP/Epson/… they don’t have anything to lose and a lot to win (or as a minimum, myself as a customer).

Buffalox ,

HP has done the ink cartridge shenanigans for more than 30 years now. They just recently found a new trick. Apart from that nothing has really changed.

I am not aware Brother ever did similar things to basically trick or cheat their customers. Most other vendors are somewhere in between. AFAIK none are as bad as HP.

My dad is running his Brother HL-1212W printer on the open source Linux driver, works perfectly fine, and I was actually surprised about the high quality of his prints for such a cheap printer.

AFAIK Brother is among the best regarding opensource drivers too.

All this printer talk almost makes me want to buy a new printer. My current printer is a 14 year old Samsung color laser, and the print quality is not that stellar anymore. ;) The Samsung open source driver kind of suck for this printer. There isn’t even a driver for this specific model CLP-325W, so I have to choose another Samsung printer that is (mostly) compatible.

The Brother printer was completely plug and play. The system recognized the printer, and installed the correct open source driver, no hassle at all.

Zink ,

Eh, I am all about wired networking wherever I can, but my awesome old Brother laser printer gets used like once per month or two, and it lives off in a far corner of the house where it isn’t taking up valuable space. Plus it could work with a tiny fraction of the LAN bandwidth available to it.

On wi-fi it stays, lol. I think I may have had to reconnect it once in the decade+ we’ve had it. Otherwise, the printout is ready before I can even walk to the printer (unless it has a ton of pages, naturally).

I don’t even know how old it is at this point. I just know it’s over a decade because I didn’t buy a third party toner cartridge until 2014.

floofloof ,

Can you avoid firmware updates? Are there domains that need to be blocked to prevent them?

empireOfLove ,

Yes the firmware updates are only voluntary. The driver will sure nag you to do them but you can choose when and what version easily.

dpkonofa ,

That was because of a misunderstanding. Brother started a subscription service and people assumed that meant you had to pay a monthly fee to use the printers like with HP. Instead, it’s a toner subscription like Dollar Shave Club or Amazon’s Subscribe and Save where they auto-send a new toner at your requested interval.

elscallr ,
@elscallr@lemmy.world avatar

I use cheap Chinese knockoff toner in my Brother laser

u_tamtam ,
@u_tamtam@programming.dev avatar

I heard they stopped allowing that recently.

elscallr ,
@elscallr@lemmy.world avatar

Mine still allows it. There might be a model or two that doesn’t but I’d be surprised.

u_tamtam ,
@u_tamtam@programming.dev avatar

Up to date firmware?

elscallr ,
@elscallr@lemmy.world avatar

I treat that thing like a rented uhaul, of course the firmware hasn’t been updated

ThirdWorldOrder ,

I’ve had my Brother printer for several years and never had an issue. I don’t have the color one, just black and white. Would buy again.

elscallr ,
@elscallr@lemmy.world avatar

I treat my Brother laser like a rented uhaul truck and it just keeps going.

AnUnusualRelic ,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

I have one of the complicated brother ones that scans and prints, including double sides, in colour, and it’s a tank. Works fine in Linux too. Connected or through the network.

It even does fax, which someone, somewhere probably finds useful.

iAmNotorious ,
@iAmNotorious@lemmy.world avatar

Doctors offices and health insurance. It’s weird but technically fax machines are still considered “secure” communications for sending PHI. Sending it across the internet requires a lot of expensive hoops to jump through, or they could just buy a fax machine.

Tetsuo ,

Funny thing is those faxes are going through internet anyway most of the time.

Where I live fax are considered a legal proof contrary to emails.

So for important contracts it is considered safer than mails.

And honestly it kinda is since an email can totally end up never being recieved without any kind of error or warning. A fax you should know immediately that it wasn’t received on the other end.

I still wish fax would disappear soon but an email is not a good replacement.

Emails are now considered the defacto standard for businesses but they suck and are absolutely not reliable.

AnUnusualRelic ,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

Send signed email. Done.

Bunch of weirdos, that’s what they are.

Tavarin ,
@Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

I’ve had the same brother inkjet printer for 14 years now, and it still works great.

SaintWacko , in rip

He’s got good taste in knives!

arashikage ,
@arashikage@lemmy.world avatar

Not the place I expected to see a Benchmade

Dominic1234321 , in Poor good boi
@Dominic1234321@lemmy.world avatar

On the first picture - pure happiness. On the second one - pure disappointment

ElBarto , in That's not how kites work

I was made to lay on the ground untill someone with more energy and joy pulls me along, making me fly high, until I eventually nose dive into the ground.

Noodle07 ,

Such a poetic view on life.

dog_ , in You didn't bought it you rented it!

THROW IT OUT THE WINDOW

Siegfried ,

Yeah, through an HP’s building window

Epson, HP are assholes… Japanese are brothers

HikingVet ,

Haven’t had a problem with my second hand Epson ink tank.

dog_ ,

I have an HP Printer… Actually 2. I didn’t want another HP Printer, and I especially did not want another InkJet Printer. Yet we were persuaded into a new printer we’ve used like 20 times since we bought it.

ImplyingImplications , in :(

I’m positive the caption is made up for a joke. The only places that talk about the true origin are subreddits which all seem to say it was drawn in a military bunker.

randint ,

As a Taiwanese, I can confirm the caption was made up. I just looked up “life sentence” and “suicide” in Chinese and got no relevant results. The vibe of the picture does look Taiwanese though

Gork ,

Hasn’t there been a recent trend where the media doesn’t talk about suicides that happened because of copycat suicides that can occur after reporting it?

randint ,

There has been this trend indeed, but I do still see news reports about suicides every now and then.

OrnateLuna ,

Love the approach of lowering suicide rates by not talking about

Mdotaut801 , in You didn't bought it you rented it!

So this may be a dumb question but let’s take work stuff out of the equation. What are people doing in their personal lives that warrants the need to buy a personal printer for the home? Basically everything is digital…and if I need to print something which is very very rarely, I just do it at work and in one instance I went to the library. I don’t see any reason for me to buy a printer.

zaubentrucker ,
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HikingVet ,

I play D&D and print all my character sheets, and make spell cards. Also I print photos that I have taken, to decorate my house or if a friend wants one.

Paper maps of places I hike (multiple pages and copies for friends)

I have also made custom cards (birthdays and the like) in the past.

ChillPill ,
@ChillPill@lemmy.world avatar

Mostly for amazon return labels. I bought a used brother laser printer with an extra cartigdge for like $50, at the time it was a cost I could justify.

dolle ,

I bought a good inkjet printer because I like taking photos and printing them in physical form, so I can hang them in the house or give them as gifts.

ngwoo , in Sweet tea

Maybe the amount of sugar that cold water easily accepts is the correct amount to not taste like shit

Elderos ,

Yeah, and if you saturate hot tea, won’'t the sugar simply materialize back as the tea gets colder? Seems to me that nothing about this has to do with saturation.

UnicOrnpoo_istasty ,

No, I can assure you sugar does not re-crystalize after being mixed in hot tea. It is super interesting how differently people view this subject just based on where they grew up.

Elderos ,

That is very interesting, and not something I remember from my very limited exposure to chemistry in school. Thanks for clearing that up!

name_NULL111653 ,

That is only because it’s not saturated. If you added an ungodly amount of sucrose (and I like it ridiculously sweet but this would be undrinkable), it would recrystalise when chilled. That’s why there’s a controversy here. A saturated solution would recrystallise, but people are pointing out that tea obviously doesn’t do that. That’s simply because no one drinks it saturated. It’s hard to stir in while cold because the rate of dissolution varies as temperature. That’s why there’s some confusing as to thinking it’s about the saturation point. It’s actually below it in both cases (hot and cold). To learn more about that mechanism, read about how reaction rate is affected by temperature.

name_NULL111653 ,

You’re right with normal tea, but normal tea is never saturated. If you added another pound or so of sugar while hot, then let it cool, it would absolutely recrystalise (barring supersaturation). But you’re right, that’s not a factor in normal tea. It’s about the rate of dissolution (which also depends on temperature), not saturation point.

Nommer ,

Yes. Not sure what the other person is on about. Hot water can have more sugar dissolved in it. When it cools it crystalizes but only if the saturation level is higher than what the water can hold. It’s how rock candy is made. This is like basic chemistry.

Elderos ,

And here I was happy to learn something new on social media contradicting my previous knowledge lol. But yeah, I definitely intend on having a basic chemistry refresher video now!

name_NULL111653 ,

Hot water dissolves it much quicker, giving the illusion that it dissolved more. It’s not actually saturated when you’re trying to stir it into cold tea, it just dissolves extremely slowly. If you were to saturate it while hot (which would take an insane amount of sugar), then yes, it would recrystalise. But in pracrice, you need to dissolve it while hot because the more energetic molecular motion in the solution dissolves the sugar faster, since the heat is causing more effective collisions. Saturation point and the change thereof is, contrary to the proposal above, not a factor here, since everything is happening well below that point even with the sweetest teas commercially available.

name_NULL111653 ,

It’s not about achieving saturation, it’s about how quickly it dissolves. The sugar packets would absolutely dissolve, if you stir vigorously for half an hour… Rate of dissolving varies as temperature. 9th grade chemistry…

Nommer ,

That wasn’t the original argument now was it? If you’re going to move goalposts then at least be halfway correct the first time.

squiblet ,
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Water can dissolve a ridiculous amount of sugar even at room temp. For an average 12 oz glass of tea, the most sugar that could dissolve is a whopping 700 grams. One packet of sugar is about 5 grams. At the saturation point it would be basically syrup thickness, too.

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