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n0m4n ,

I believe in truth and that facts do matter. I also teach young people. Being a wage earner was not a bad thing, but I yearn for the freedom to live an easier life, eventually. I want that for everyone. False beliefs are traps that hold people back from being their best selves. Carry flat-earth beliefs as a core foundation and look at what differences it would make. Geostationary satellites, and all the tech jobs that go with servicing that sector, just disappeared. Ditto solar. Travel to distant places, and time zones, becomes an insolvable problem. Your co-worker is holding his life back by believing in medieval superstitions.

It is a kindness to challenge people to find what is true.

Bertuccio , (edited )

I agree with all this but want to gripe about the misconception that flat Earth is medieval.

People have known Earth is round since at least 350 BC when Aristotle wrote On the Heavens. And he didn’t come up with it there, he was explaining how others knew it.

In medieval times they had not lost this knowledge and it was still widely understood that Earth is round. Flat Earth has been a fringe lunacy for thousands of years. In the 1800s it became popular for religious reasons and most flat Earthers today are actually creationists trying to dress up their beliefs as science.

Omega_Jimes ,

See here’s the thing, if you believe silly stuff and keep it to yourself, that’s fine. People who believe in silly stuff never keep it to themselves though.

Duamerthrax , (edited )

If you put information out there, don’t be mad when people put counter information back at you. I know far too many people who believe in alt medicine and talk freely about it, that it’s getting harder and harder to bite my tongue. I don’t care if you think Acupuncture works for you. The fruit diet worked for Steve Jobs until it didn’t.

Oni_eyes ,

Acupuncture is a bit of a different animal though, there’s been some research coming out that it triggers a different layer (connective tissue iirc) in ways that we don’t really understand but seem to promote beneficial responses through triggering various receptors and nerve responses. I would still group it closer to alt med but it’s one of the ones I think might have a grain of usefulness underlying a bunch of less helpful ritualism.

Duamerthrax ,

One of the claims with acupuncture is that everyone has Meridian Lines and master practitioners find and put needles in them to manipulate the body or something. Those lines are suppose to be constant for the same person. It’s been years, but someone decided to schedule several acupuncture appointments with several different masters and each master put needles in different points.

If any part of acupuncture turns out to have some real deep tissue therapy application, how it’s practiced would end up changing so much, it wouldn’t even be called acupuncture anymore. Shit like reusing needles or Punctured Lungs are not something that has any excuses to happen in real medicine.

Anyway, this group also likes to claim that cupping, reflexology, chiropractic, or any other “eastern medicine” is being kept down by racists in the American Medical Association.

Oni_eyes ,

Yeah and those would be a lot of the less helpful ritualism described.
It may get a new name when the actual medical use is determined and demonstrated but for now it’s still acupuncture.
There’s a lot of terrible things that shouldn’t happen in real medicine (like pretending different races have different pain tolerances, or over prescription of medicines like opioids or even antibiotics) but we don’t blame the technique or medicine in those instances so much as we blame the individual doctors doing that shit and the groups that perpetuate it.

Would I go get acupuncture treatment now?
Maybe if I had certain assurances like clean needle use and the use is limited to areas like joints but even then probably not until I see better evidence of cause and effect for the treatment. I just keep an open mind to avoid what could be inherent biases that would discount the idea in it’s entirety instead of trying to understand why there are some successes. Kinda like how I’m not going to go eat a bunch of herbs from traditional Chinese medicine but would be interested in understanding how the components of those herbs affect the body to see if there is something that can be pulled and enhanced to modern medical treatment.

Ummdustry ,

The truth is darker: For everybody who talks about the silly stuff there are two who don’t, you just don’t hear them cuz they ain’t talking. Source: Closeted Quacko

GroundedGator ,

I mean those types already gave us the Bible, how much worse could it get?

Ilovethebomb ,

How do you know? People could believe in all kinds of dumb shit and just not tell you.

blazeknave ,

But he votes and talks to other voters. Our lives are in their vocal minority hands.

Leviathan ,

Flat earthers generally vote for people who are hell-bent on erasing workers’ rights. That’s why I would be arguing.

themeatbridge ,

Yeah, the whole “live and let live” movement has removed the social barriers to being a fucking moron. Ignorant people holding onto stupid beliefs should be made to feel bad by the people around them.

ZILtoid1991 ,

The whole “live and let live” movement normalized far-right talking points in my country, then the “live and let live” movement suddenly disappeared…

MadBob ,

I don’t think one follows from the other though eh?

Lemminary , (edited )

Weird that the OOP thinks it’s “intellectual superiority” to simply have your facts straight.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

well, it is. I mean, it’s a low bar, but comparatively, yeah.

m4xie ,

Like saying hygienic superiority is not being covered in feces. It is, but that shouldn’t be the contest.

vormadikter ,

I shall remember this comparison and use it at the most inappropriate situation. Thank you.

blanketswithsmallpox ,

1: Why do you always have to be right?

2: You were literally bitching about getting a raise and losing money. That’s not how that works!

1: Anecdote lawyer politicians taxes useless idiot not even a Republican talking point drivel.

2: Stare and say nothing.

1: Implodes a month later by sending out emails to everyone across the company about work being work and gets fired.

2: Goes back to work short staffed.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Uh, what?

blanketswithsmallpox ,

It’s a ‘made up’ conversation with a coworker.

duderium2 ,

Haha, it’s so funny that this guy believes in ridiculous “science” like flat-earthism. Anyway, I’m going to wander crowded indoor areas without a mask during a pandemic, see ya!

RandomGuy79 ,

Nah dude flat earthers actually show up to the polls, unlike anon. Gotta start showing up anon!

Prunebutt , (edited )

At the wage-slave bit, I was hoping that anon would try to raise the coworker’s class-consciousness.

andrew_bidlaw ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

In a sense, they are on the same side.

feedum_sneedson ,

It’s flat, we all are.

boatsnhos931 ,

Anon has found the way of the masters

Laser ,

Normal day at the NASA factory

ToucheGoodSir ,

Eh nah. Pointless debate and argument is kek

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