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matcha_addict ,

This is very disappointing. I’m glad lemmy is federated and open source, so that I don’t have to endorse or support every single view of the creator to use it.

Nutomic’s view is very misguided. The section of the bourgeouisie that expresses support for trans people often do so out of opportunism (though some probably genuinely support it They’re human after all). The fact that transphobia is still rampant should be proof of the lack of an “agenda”. And what is this agenda about anyways? Acceptance? Or are people really still thinking that there’s a push to turn cis people trans the same way we have done the reverse since forever?

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    Anon518 ,

    Yeah, this is just manufactured drama. The screenshots showing what preceded his comment show the whole thing to clearly be bait for the purpose of creating drama.

    goat ,

    Funny how when others are called transphobic, it’s all hands on deck, no taking a moment to reconsider the facts or the context.

    But for some reason, this particular example requires caution? If you know Desalines, or the lemmy devs themselves, you’ll know that transphobia is just the tip of the iceberg of their extremism. Have a look for yourself: !meanwhileongrad

    ArcaneSlime ,

    It’s quite possible those tankies are the very same people excusing his transphobia, they already simp for Castro and Che, who rounded up gay people and put them in “totally not death camps” for their “mandatory service” where they were starved and worked and beaten to death, and they totally excuse him for that, too.

    Yeah yeah, “later he said he was sorry he had all those gay people killed in concentration camps.” Uh huh.

    goat ,

    i mean they love stalin who genocided the Ukrainians. soo

    WanderingVentra ,

    Che wasn’t involved in those camps at all. And not only did Castro apologize, but ended up helping push some of the most liberal LGBTQ laws on the books in any country, including the US.

    You excuse the US for all sorts of stuff, I’m sure. Reagan ignored a pandemic, all your founders were slave owners, hell, your current President is helping with a genocide and I’ve seen people excuse that all over Lemmy.

    And for the record, even the tankie communities on Lemmy, like hexbear, disagree with nutomic’s comments.

    Quill7513 ,

    Bullshit. BULLSHIT. The context is “hey this tool helps keep trans people safe, any chance we can integrate it or make the platform work with it?” And the response was that its made up. Fucking. That’s not baiting. That’s a feature request

    Snowpix ,
    @Snowpix@lemmy.ca avatar

    I’m wondering if the people upvoting Anon have actually seen the context. There was no baiting involved. Only an explanation on why the feature was wanted.

    ContextMore context

    BackOnMyBS ,
    @BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place avatar

    Honest question: Why does it matter if he’s a transphobe when choosing which Fediverse software to use? The software is FOSS and anyone can make their own instance. I don’t understand why his social views outside of sharing the software and protecting it from becoming proprietary matters when deciding what Fediverse software to use.

    I’m not arguing my stance. I really want to understand what I might be missing.

    Cyberflunk ,

    When people are successful, sometimes their ideas are too. They become a sort of standard, or justified. While I speak only for myself, I think some folks feel like if this guy’s projects are successful he could use that success to oppres people. It happened to fluffy JK Rowling.

    BackOnMyBS ,
    @BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place avatar

    Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for explaining. What’s the relevant story with JK Rowling?

    Cyberflunk ,

    JK uses her platform (harry potter fame) to denigrate and oppress trans women (probably more). She regularly engages anti trans exchanges on public twitter. Considering the reach HP has for children, it could give her considerable chance to promote bigotry. Look up TERF.

    goat ,

    Because he’s the developer. He can easily change a line of code to exploit users and servers across the fediverse. Sure, some may notice immediately, but others won’t.

    Adanisi , (edited )
    @Adanisi@lemmy.zip avatar

    Because he’s the developer. He can easily change a line of code to exploit users and servers across the fediverse.

    This can be done by anyone, and applies to any platform. It’s not a problem unique to Lemmy.

    I also don’t see how transphobia and backdooring everyone are at all related.

    Quill7513 ,

    Right. Exactly. That’s why who develops things matters. Conduct at a project level dictates what comes of the things developed. The fact that this platform is developed by transphobes is a big FUCKING deal and is why I have hope for PieFed and Sublinks because they have actual factual solidarity and decency as core values.

    Adanisi ,
    @Adanisi@lemmy.zip avatar

    The fact that this platform is developed by transphobes is a big FUCKING deal

    Not really. Usually the issue is the platform devs also control the instances/servers but that isn’t the case here.

    The code isn’t transphobic. The code is code. We shouldn’t reject perfectly good code because we don’t like who wrote it. That’s just giving the software solely to the people who do to the detriment of everyone else.

    PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S ,
    @PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Honest question: Why does it matter if he’s a transphobe when choosing which Fediverse software to use?

    1. Because some people have actually financially supported him. I’m not trans, but I would be devastated to know that my money went to feed someone who wants to destroy me.
    2. I already have trouble convincing transgender people in my social circle that Lemmy as a software is safe for them to use even with the variety of trans-inclusive servers like yours, and will be safe and inclusive in the future.

    A great example of (2) is the fate of PolyMC. Thankfully, the other developers forked it into Prism, but transphobia put that whole project in jeopardy for a bit.

    The software is FOSS and anyone can make their own instance.

    IMO that’s why I’m not immediately dropping my account and running for the hills, but it’s still not good. Most people don’t have the technical skills or the interest in learning them to run their own instance.

    I really want to understand what I might be missing.

    IMO it’s that even though he does not personally control how Lemmy instances are run, and even though we do have a good degree of robustness to transphobia because the software is FOSS, it is still both morally and technically ill-advised to have a transphobe at the helm of an open-source software project.

    jwr1 ,
    @jwr1@kbin.earth avatar

    I've said before that I could add piefed support to Interstellar (it already had Lemmy and mbin support). The only thing I need is an api.

    Beaver ,
    @Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

    I just got banned from !linux for posting that screenshot

    xnx OP ,

    Linux doesn’t seem like the correct community for it but it could’ve been deleted it’s so weird they would ban you for that

    Beaver ,
    @Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

    I mean to say that I posted the screenshot from the original post

    Blaze ,

    Welcome to !linux

    Beaver ,
    @Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

    I will be joining in :)

    cupcakezealot ,
    @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    general rule of thumb is that if you see a .ml community there’s always a better one on another domain even if there’s not.

    Beaver ,
    @Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

    Update 2: https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/82522965-2425-46bf-b5a0-45727f0788d8.png

    goferking0 ,

    Just like when hexbear.net called them out on different terrible takes (ie what counts as csam and other awful mods)

    flamingos ,

    Why do they go through the effort of banning people from individual communities when site banning should be enough? It honestly just comes across as vindictive.

    cupcakezealot ,
    @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    that postmessage from nutomic is a classic demonstration of the horseshoe theory.

    Fizz ,
    @Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

    The developer is expressing their opinion on their instance using their software. The beauty of federation and the software he has crrated is that you can build a community that you want.you never have to interact with or his instance.

    This post is drama for the sake of drama.

    xnx OP ,

    He receives thousands of dollars in donations to make the software. I’d rathe people start supporting software developers made by non bigots

    Fizz ,
    @Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

    It’s a weird place to draw the line. You probably use all kinds of products with scumbag companies and owners yet you draw the line at a guy’s Foss project which has nothing to do with his views and the project barely makes min wage yet serves tens of thousands of people.

    You don’t need to withdraw your support because you already do nothing to support. Again I think you are creating drama for the sake of drama. The guy is an open Communist and you are shocked that he’s transphobic.

    Diva ,
    @Diva@lemmy.ml avatar

    The guy is an open Communist and you are shocked that he’s transphobic.

    Plenty of communists are not transphobic and most of the open communists I know are trans themselves.

    Fizz ,
    @Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

    I know I was pointing to that to show extreme views I didn’t intend to say Communists were transphobic or bad people.

    I know a lot of communists are extremely progressive and tbh I thought he was to.

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