This is intentional, the occupation government did the same thing with settlements in Gaza until people started supporting and joining Hamas. This ended up destroying the democratic PLO and Fatah government, giving them an excuse to blockade the stripe and make it unlivable.
Even though the Fatah government which is peaceful and recognizes "Israel" is still in power in the West bank, the occupation army, police, and their settlers continue to target Palestinians in the West bank killing them, and destroying their property. Isn'trael is not going to dismantle those settlements until a violent government takes power in the West bank, giving them an excuse to turn it into Gaza and from that into rubble.
This is what their government wants, and what their flag stands and has always stood for.
Even if this is true, which… I mean I have no salt left anymore…
That would be the target you want to take out. But no, that refugee camp, that school with children in it? Yeah that’s the target because… uhh “Hamas are using civilians as shields”.
Gotta figure that with the arty and planes bombing Gaza, the Palestinian KIA is the same. So that’s 1200 in a little over 24 hours and counting. Big number.
I’m not sure that will help anything. Some of that land is used for defensive purposes. The normalization agreements with Saudi Arabia, now delayed due to this stupidity, did have provisions for turning land back to Palestinian control. It didn’t seem to make much difference to Hamas.
Hamas is funded and armed by Iran. Iranian leadership really doesn’t want Saudi Arabia to make a formal normalisation agreement with Israel. Hamas leadership is dedicated to maintaining the wealth they gain from being Iranian proxies. The rest of Hamas is dedicated to destroying Israel.
Hamas is also fighting Fatah for control of the West Bank and the Palestinian Authority government. The worse things are for residents of the West Bank, the better it is for Hamas.
So it’s in Hamas’ interests, both as proxies for Iran and for their own in the West Bank, to do everything they can to force the Arab world to choose sides and scupper every normalisation agreement, especially the big daddy Saudi one.
You realize the attacks are coming from Gaza where Israel did pull out, and then the people immediately elected a terrorist group to lead the country. That group then put the destruction of Israel as one of their main platforms.
I mean if anything this is showing why Israel doesn’t withdraw from the West Bank.
the sheer number of Israeli civilian fatalities is staggering. so far the best count only has 80 or so of the dead being military or police and so the rest of the 600 and counting are presumably civilians.
This could see tens of thousands dead, 90% of which will be Palestinian and most of whom had nothing to do with the attacks. It could also be the last hurrah for Hamas.
I honestly don’t understand this one, and I used to do this for a living. Terrorist attacks frequently make sense. 9/11 successfully engaged the US in a “global war on terror.” It resulted in a massive burning of resources and an engagement lasting far longer than anyone anticipated. It failed in that al Qaeda has effectively been rendered inoperative, there was no pan-Arab or pan-Islamic movement that rose up to strike down the current world order, and the leadership did not generally get to retire to a life of quiet reflection. But at least it was comprehensible.
This is looking more like the equivalent of the Charles Manson Helter Skelter attack, where some psychotic thought he could ignite a national race war with an incomprehensible slaughter.
If it were not so big, I’d think it was a red flag operation. It’s just that stupid and the consequences are just that dire. This is handing Bobo exactly what he needs on a silver platter.
Agree. Near as I can figure the normalization of relations between Saudi and Isreal looked like it was going to come together. Both countries are an enemy to Iran. Iran did this to stop that agreement. Also to consider is…
Who funds Hamas? Iran.
Who funds Iran? Russia
it would certainly be in Russia’s interest to deflect the west’s attention from Ukraine
I am not sure “Russia funds iran”. Yes, they both have developed deeper trade relations since trump cut of Iran more. But so have the relations between iran and China increased.
All of these countries try working together in mutual benefit against the west. But I wouldn’t call any of them puppets of another.
It is pretty hard to say what’s is true and what isn’t in an ongoing conflict. Both side tries to make the other look evil while trying to hide or minimize their own evil deeds.
Which is why we don’t believe anything any party says without evidence or a very large amount of witnesses. These false rape accusations have been the biggest lie so far where israel is blocking any independent investigation for to this very day.
Indeed, but without investigations it is too early to say that it was a lie or if was the truth. Instead of labeling hastily one side allegation as lie, it has to be investigated, and proved as such.
Don’t mistake it as defending one side or the other, both side are different faces of a similar evil, but polarizing the debate in such way will just make it harder for moderates and peace advocate to be heard.
Unfortunately rapes are hard to prove. DNA traces and bruises are quick to disappear, and as such samples have to be taken quickly.
That’s why most cases of rapes are mainly based on victims testimonials, a requires extensive investigation to be proved as plausible enough to warrant a trial.
In the current case both side refuse to let third party investigate such allegation, and this should raise suspicion for both sides. But both have plausible excuses for such refusal. Hamas don’t want strangers to know where hostages are held, and Israel may want to protect the alleged victims from the media pressure.
Israel claimed to have forensic and video evidence which they lied about.
In the current case both side refuse to let third party investigate such allegation
Your accusation is entirely wrong as Hamas did not object to a third party investigation of fake israeli rape claims. UN Investigations into forensic evidence of what happened on Oct7 were single-handedly blocked by israel and israel only.
I’m not sure why you are bringing up any hostages as they are not the ones making accusations and we know that not a single hostage that has been released has been raped.
It’s interesting how this magically becomes a “both sides thing”. This is an israel thing.
As long as the most powerful nations in the world continue to flout international law and its institutions they will lack the legitimacy they so desperately need.
So they don’t want to disband UNRWA. Because then israel would be directly responsible the 2 million starving Palestinians locked inside their concentration camp
But israel also wants to make sure UNRWA is defunded. So that UNRWA doesn’t have to means to actually feed Palestinians. And of course block all of UNRWA food trucks claiming they are Hamas.
It’s like the Nazi’s committing genocide but trying to invoke plausible deniablity. Americans must be brainwashed harder than CCP drones to still believe this shit.
I thought Fatah and Hamas were against each other? Fatah certainly lost the vote in Gaza against them. This sounds like some sort of political rewriting of history.
I hate Hamas but this is just rage bait made to make you completely dehumanize the enemy, to make you OK with all the civilian Palestinian deaths in this war. It has no place in a news oriented community.
And it’s not referring to the depth of the tunnel. From the get go it’s framing the “news” as evidence of Hamas being evil. Something we need no proof of after the countless atrocities they’ve committed, so the purpose, intended or otherwise is something else.
Then:
“Combat Engineering Corps’ 614th Battalion as they carried out a second round of sweeps in a single-family home — with an outdoor swimming pool — in an upscale beachside neighborhood.”
Pointing out the swimming pool which is not necessary at all is text book to make your enemy seem amoral.
“soldiers had found a portal to where monsters were hiding.”
Cute comparison to monsters under the bed or just a convenient way to get away with calling them monsters outright? Which while it holds true is not some objective fact that needs stating and is indisputably dehumanizing.
“It’s not ethical, the way that Hamas works,”
No shit Sherlock, we’re talking about terrorists with more than 1000 civilians dead in just one attack. But here he’s talking about hiding a tunnel in a kids room. Hardly the worst of their crimes. It’s just to drum up feelings.
“With tendrils of underground fortifications running beneath crowded residential neighborhoods, the army says it has little choice but to bring the fight to the homes, hospitals, schools and clinics believed to shield the network.”
Very overt way to say “it’s OK that we bomb civilians, we need to to fight Hamas!” It’s dangerous clearing tunnels yes, and it’s very risk free to just bomb the ever living shit out of every building “believed to shield the network”.
" “We scan thoroughly, and there is intelligence, and the intelligence is very good. And there are means by which we both locate and destroy [the tunnels],” Adoniram said."
Not good enough to see the Oct 7 attack come but good enough to target hospitals huh? I don’t really buy it.
“Many had fled south or were sheltering at schools or hospitals. By the UN’s estimate, some 1.5 million of Gaza’s population of over 2 million was internally displaced.”
The same schools and hospitals they then bomb, leading to the thousands of dead civilians.
"
He had heard tell of an incident in which civilians who approached troops to ask for water had been used as cover for gunmen to open fire at the soldiers "
Stuff like that needs to be precise, I don’t necessarily doubt it but why isn’t it confirmed fact but “had heard tell”? Why is it in the news? Why didn’t they ask the source to confirm it?
Turns out a lot of people on the left think the jihadist shit that hurts civilians is justified because their side is oppressed.
It’s disgusting and perpetuates the cycle of violence. Before the current war things were improving. Israelis were fighting hard to remove Netanyahu from power, including the military (air force) striking.
Edit: No one cares about the Israelis (Including the 20% Arab citizen pop) entering the west bank at the risk of being murdered to defend Olive picking workers from Israeli settlers and IDF clowns who disgrace their uniforms.
Didn’t Netanyahu prop up Hamas? That’s all the info I need to know. That and one conversation with a Zionist, they are out of their mind and will straight up say that Palestinians don’t deserve to live. That conversation was over a decade ago and it still gives me the creepy crawlys… it was like talking to a proud Nazi that firmly believed in his ideology.
Zionists fall under the category of most religious extremeist- stupid and dangerous. If we could drop all zionists in a hunger games scenario with all members of hamas, maybe throw the Catholic Church in there too.
Except nobody wins we just burn it down when they’re done killing each other like they’re going to do anyway.
Samaria Regional Council head Yossi Dagan issued a rare video statement on Shabbat describing the incident: “This incident is a simple incident,” he claimed, saying that the settler family involved was “upstanding,” and a father and “son, a combat soldier on weekend leave” were “attacked with rocks by dozens of wild Hamas supporters.”
-Dehumanize victim. Check
-Blame Hamas. Check
the pograms will continue until morale religion improves
timesofisrael.com
Top