Slightly out of date now since Israel has, apparently, accepted the deal Biden’s administration came up with. They’re bitching about it, but they say they have accepted it.
I don’t put too much faith in polls anymore. The democrats have over performed in every election since 2018.
He definitely has a thin-ass tightrope to walk with the democratic tent. What easily could be 5 parties are lumped into one because of the two party system.
It definitely will. Though many have given up on him already, at least he will be relieved of not being able to go anywhere without Genocide Joe chants.
In hindsight we can now confidently say that Biden should have stopped this far earlier.
Now if Biden actually forced a solution such as the two state one the Palestinians are asking for he can definitely get voters back.
Also last time I checked Benzion Mileikowski still rejects a permanent ceasefire until Hamas is “eradicated”
Well, when even your own citizens are crying out for the government to stop they may want to listen. Any use protection as a valid excuse when your citizens are wanting it to end.
An aide said they would agree, nothing has been done yet, and the conditions are not clear.
For all we know this is israel preparing to blame an aid for a misunderstanding, while they keep killing Palestinians and Biden gets to look good in the media.
Blinken reportedly said that, nevertheless, the reality of the matter is that “entire families that are not connected to Hamas were harmed” amid the fighting.
[Once we have got] rid Gaza of Hamas terrorists and freed our hostages, [...] Gaza can be demilitarized and deradicalized
Interesting. I wonder what their criteria are for defining someone as a "Hamas terrorist", what they mean by "demilitarized", and how they plan to "deradicalize" the Palestinians.
Maybe israel gonna hol a group council session after they bomb their entire family into the ground.
Where they can sit together and condemn Hamas.
Maybe build a school to do that. Or better yet, build camps with beds so the Palestinians have somewhere to live. And then also of course they can all work to contribute to society to give them purpose. You know what they say: arbeit macht frei.
It says there has been no case since the start of the war where the Air Force did not strike, or ground forces did not fire, because of a shortage of ammunition.
Genocide Joe couldn’t get the Ukrainians their weapons but the IDF Nazis sure don’t have an ammunition shortage.
Genocide Joe has sent far more weapons to Ukraine than to Israel. Ukraine is also consuming far more ammunition than Israel thanks to the type and scope of the conflicts being vastly different.
Ukraine getting decades old mortars while israel gets brand new F35’s and 2000 pound bunker busters to throw on schools.
Furthermore israel has received far more military aid than Ukraine if you only count a years before the Russian invasion.
Genocide Joe has put in insane work to remove weapons restrictions for israel including giving them the American stockpile that was already there but not meant for israel. He is not doing this kind of work for Ukraine at all.
Ukraine can’t exactly use 2000lb bombs very often, given the strength and depth of Russian air defence, but it has great use for ‘decades old mortars’.
Ukraine has recieved plenty of shit that wasn’t for export or came directly from US Army stockpiles. ATACMS is a good example of this.
The TV report also addresses what it says have been claims that the IDF is engaged in “armament economics” — in other words, that it is conserving ammunition to ensure it does not run out.
ITT: Copium on still voting for this senile dumbass because the alternative is a brain dead orange or in the case that he is disqualified, another senile dumbass.
The choice is a guy who is okay with participating via weapons delivery in the active slaughtering of innocents half a world a way, or a guy who wants to slaughter everyone that doesnt worshop him as god at home.
or a guy who wants to slaughter everyone that doesnt worshop him as god at home.
Oh God, spare us the performative melodrama. The only difference between Trump and any Republican president in the last half century is that Trump is crass.
What, you don’t like the scare tactics being pushed by Dems and all of his supporters? You don’t like being shamed or scared into voting for a candidate you don’t really agree with?
Dang I thought that worked well in 2016, just barely in 2020, should be great this time around, too!
Yes. Correct, the main issue is the crassness. You nerds never gave a shit about this legalise bullshit before, and W Bush literally did overthrow “American democracy” and you people adore him.
Yes I give a shit about living in a democracy believe it or not. I’m an American. You’ve lost your mind to think that’s just some pretense.
The Supreme Court sided with Bush, Trump lost 50 court challenges and still denied the results and riled up his little cult of insurrectionists who attacked the capital and now continue to believe every GOP loss is the direct result of “Demonrats” stealing more elections.
Yes I give a shit about living in a democracy believe it or not.
Well I have news for you; you don’t.
The Supreme Court sided with Bush
Famously impartial and honest political body, the US supreme court. Do you actually know what happened in 2000? Like, this isn’t disputed, Bush straight up stole an election he lost, and the fact that he did it through bullshit legal manipulation doesn’t make it batter. In fact, the fact that you think it does make it better supports my point that you only care about crassness.
“Crassness”. What a fucking joke.
Again, Trump hasn’t done anything that every Republican president in the last half century didn’t do, and he didn’t do nearly as much damage to your democracy as Bush did, but you only care about it when he’s crass about it.
And Trump did much worse than Bush yet you cite Bush as some precedent to justify Trump even though you don’t actually support that precedent to begin with…? I have my own thoughts on Bush vs Gore, but sorry if I didn’t take your bait and engage about a completely different election, I knew it would end in some nonsense distraction like this.
Not even worth arguing with you, you seem perfectly content with arguing with whatever made up anti-crass, democracy-ambivalent character you’ve concocted in your head. Have fun with that.
I have my own thoughts on Bush vs Gore, but sorry if I didn’t take your bait and engage about a completely different election, I knew it would end in some nonsense distraction like this.
Sounds like you don’t have your own thoughts about it.
Not even worth arguing with you
What, were you expecting to get paid?
At the end of the day, if Trump was just polite and followed decorum, you’d have no more problem with him than you did Bush.
The U.S has a huge number of legal agreements, treaties etc with Israel that go back decades. I'm pretty sure that they give a sitting president a lot of room to play with that he doesn't have with a relatively new arms deal like the Ukraine one.
If you were actually reading the news, you’d know that Biden has found creative ways to continue to aid Ukraine, and that has not stopped as of today. The US is still heavily backing the Ukrainian war effort.
“Three decades ago, the newly independent country of Ukraine was briefly the third-largest nuclear power in the world.
Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.
In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine’s security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum.”
this is going to be locked for a variety of reasons:
this is essentially propaganda/an extremely biased opinion piece
it uncritically adopts the framing of Elise Stefanik when she is neither a good faith actor generally, nor asking questions about “calling for the genocide of the Jews” in good faith. it’s very clear she just means “pro-Palestinian demonstrators” when she talks about people “calling for genocide” and that’s stupid.
it’s just not a good article, generally. there are plenty of other, better articles that can be used as a vessel to talk about Israel-Palestine (including ones that have a pro-Israeli voice)
Hah apparently the spin is they were taken to the hospital for humanitarian reasons. After all the rape and murder the kidnappers decided to take their hostages to the hospital for treatment clearly under duress. Yep such nice guys. Definitely what they’d do.
Okay two things. First, clearly this drooling idiot has never heard of “radioactive fallout.”
Second, why Ireland of all places? And why Ireland or deserts? Ireland isn’t an inhospitable wasteland. They have water and grass and electricity. Soccer too, sure, but nowhere’s perfect.
Ireland is basically the only western country that has been calling out israel’s genocide for the last decades because the Brits screwed them over just like the Brits screwed the Palestinians. Ireland is insanely based.
There are many people on both sides who see it the way you do. Funny part is, what side is good and what side is evil changes, based on who you ask. Based on individual perspective, ones terrorist is another ones freedom fighter. Please understand that ones judgement is only a personal, subjective opinion and never an objective truth and that one atrocity can never justify another atrocity.
That is an obvious and trivial truth that I of course agree with. However, murdering innocent palestinian olive farmers, to steal their land and build illegal settlements on it, also seems pretty evil, right?
I didn’t say anything about either side. All I said is cutting people’s heads off is evil. I also specifically mentioned civilians without stating a side. Great assumptions though.
For the record both sides are monsters. Whether they were driven to it in your opinion or not. And the civilians on both sides are victims.
I never said it was simple. But Hamas murdered completely innocent civilians - including babies - that they actively and intentionally targeted. They are irredeemable monsters.
True, and yet non-violent revolutions have succeded in the past. Hamas wants to raze Israel from the face of the earth. They have no place in a civilized society.
@photonic_sorcerer I would agree with you except for the fact that Israel learned from that, and outlawed peaceful protesting. Yeah, if you peacefully protest against Israel in Israel, they'll throw you in prison. They made their own problem here.
Israel has proven that all they learned from the Holocaust was how to do it better
@photonic_sorcerer oh btw, saying "Hamas wants to raze Israel from the earth", while Israel builds settlements, refusing to negotiate, commits ethnic cleansing, and brutalizes Palestinians in a myriad of other ways proves you have no idea what's going on over there
I fully agree but wonder why you don´t mention the other half of this truth. Obviously human slaughtering terrorists have no place in a civilized society. However, it must also be said that there is no place in a civilized society for right-extremist-racists, who murder residents and occupy their land to build illegal settlements.
Those stories regarding killing babies have been shown conclusively to be false, and the journalists responsible have publicly retracted the statements and apologized for the disinformation.
“Israeli forces in Kfar Aza and Be’eri[112] reported that they found bodies of victims mutilated. One IDF commander told a reporter from i24 News that 40 babies had been killed, out of what one estimate described as at least 100 civilian victims.[113][93][114][115][116][117]”
Like you said later, the world isn’t simple good and evil. If they don’t surrender, they don’t get treatment. The IDF would hardly treat a member of Hamas and Hamas would hardly treat a member of the IDF. A group treating civilians can tell members of both to fuck off.
What do you mean by admit? You mean to treat? Yes of course. As I said, imo every sick or injured person deserves medical treatment, no matter their background. Also, when they are healthy again, I would want to see that Nazi getting put in front of a court, questioned, convicted and punished as the law dictates.
Egypt doesn’t want to admit people from a group that successfully terrorized their whole nation for an extended period of time. They have no interest in convicting them.
Sorry, I have enough of being attacked from both sides constantly, just for being neutral and humanist in this conflict. I get attacked by the pro Israel crowd and simultaneously, in other discussions, I get attacked by the pro Palestine crowd (those people are outstandingly hateful and disgusting). Both sides are so polarized over the topic, I decided to not discuss it any more with neither side. This is in the first place a reaction to the disgusting and hateful people on lemmy.ml, who are unable to accept any opinion from outside of their antisemitic, pseudo-left bubble and definitely not because of you guys but it´s all getting too cumbersome for me overall, so I will dropout of the topic in general.
I’m sorry I made you feel attacked. It’s just that’s it unreasonable for a society who directly suffered from a horrible actor to forget that so soon. It was 2013 when they were in power last and 10 years is a blink of an eye in the timeline of a society. In 30-40 years I think the pain of the Brotherhood’s actions may have healed enough that they would risk allowing the brotherhood in to aid in civilian casualties.
You’re not wrong for seeing the suffering in Gaza and wanting it to stop. You’re not wrong for seeing the atrocities of Hamas and calling them out.
Never mind, it wasn’t you. I was just getting tired of arguing with 20+ people from both sides simultaneously. Seems like whenever I say something neutral and humanist, at least one of both camps is gonna attack me, which one depends on the instance.
It’s just that’s it unreasonable for a society who directly suffered from a horrible actor to forget that so soon. It was 2013 when they were in power last and 10 years is a blink of an eye in the timeline of a society. In 30-40 years I think the pain of the Brotherhood’s actions may have healed enough that they would risk allowing the brotherhood in to aid in civilian casualties.
I totally understand that grudge, It’s only human. However, I wish people were better at letting go of grudges. The whole Israel-Palestine situation would be less severe if people could.
You’re not wrong for seeing the suffering in Gaza and wanting it to stop. You’re not wrong for seeing the atrocities of Hamas and calling them out.
That is the first time someone says that to me here and I really needed to hear it!
I hope you have a great day.
Thank you for your nice reply and a great day to you too!
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