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YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH , to news in Heads of 3 top US colleges refuse to say calling for genocide of Jews is harassment

You know it is an unbiased source when there is a bright red banner at the top of the page indicating which day of the war on Gaza it is.

Stamau123 OP , to world in Report: Truce fell apart after Hamas refused to release more Israeli female hostages
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA ,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

Did Israel release or capture more Palestinians during the ceasefire?

Stamau123 OP ,

reuters.com/…/israelhamas-war-hostage-deal-ceasef…

Yes, they did release Palestinians during the ceasefire. Halt arresting Palestinians during the timeperiod was not a ceasefire stipulation, so not sure why it’s brought up.

honeyhunter , (edited )

Its brought up so hostages and prisoners can be conflated by duped altlefts as being just as bad

kurwa ,

Maybe it’s because the majority of Palestinians are arrested for no reason?

hrw.org/…/why-does-israel-have-so-many-palestinia…

DoomBot5 ,

Do you have a non-biased source to corroborate that? HRW is very much biased against Israel.

Keeponstalin , (edited )
Strawberry ,

non-biased source

That’s not a thing, bestie

twisted28 ,

There is no Alt left

Marsupial ,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

Lol.

Is someone sad they were called alt-right and tried to apply that label to the left?

The left is so diverse that we hate every other leftist, there is no alt because we cannot agree on a default.

DoomBot5 ,

Idk did Palestinians magically stop committing terror acts during the ceasefire?

steventhedev , to world in Surveillance footage shows Hamas bringing hostages into Shifa Hospital on Oct. 7

If they’re releasing surveillance footage, expect more to come out. They have already announced that Noa Marciano was executed inside the hospital - most likely on camera.

Also note that they are sharing much more with the US and EU than they are making public. It will likely include surveillance footage tagged with facial recognition of every senior Hamas member who walked through the hospital.

steventhedev , to world in Hamas tried to send fighters to Egypt in ambulances for wounded Gazans — US official

Also trying to smuggle in military supplies in humanitarian aid:

Meanwhile, two senior Israeli officials told The Times of Israel that Israeli inspectors earlier this week uncovered several oxygen concentrators meant to aerate the tunnels operated by terror organizations in Gaza.

“These weren’t for use in the hospitals, but below them. That’s why they were smuggled among boxes of cookies,” one of the senior Israeli officials said, adding that the entire truck in which the oxygen concentrators were found was barred from entering Gaza.

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

I mean, how do they know where they're meant to be used? If Gazans can't get oxygen concentrators legally they're very much right to smuggle them.

steventhedev ,

right to smuggle them

They were told by the US and the UN what types of aid will be allowed in. Smuggling only hurts Gaza from getting the aid it needs.

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

But the aid it needs includes oxygen concentrators. Some people need these things not to die.

DoomBot5 ,

That’s how you end up with a blockade and no more aid entering Gaza. Is that what you want for those people?

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

Well I want people who need oxygen concentrators to get them and not die.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

The Israeli source was trying to claim these have no medical use but a quick Google search reveals that indeed they are mostly used for medical reasons and can be found in hospitals or at the homes of patients.

hassanmckusick , to world in IDF shows foreign press Hamas bodycam videos, photos of murder, torture, decapitation

Journalists were not permitted to record the screening, which took place on a closed military base.

🙄

dumdum666 , (edited )

Yeah, I feel you. I don’t believe in civilian deaths in Gaza on the other hand. These are all actors, you know. Very high production value though.

dumdum666 , (edited ) to world in Israel says Islamic Jihad rocket misfire caused blast near Gaza hospital

So this here is the current view on the area where supposedly about 500 people died. Also there are allegedly more than 300 wounded.

Questions I personally have:

  • where is the rubble and where is the bomb crater?
  • why does the building seem undamaged?
  • how do you fit 800 people in this parking lot?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/18/israel-hamas-war-live-news-gaza-hospital-west-bank-update-joe-biden-visit-protests-latest-updates

Maajmaaj , (edited ) to world in Israel says Islamic Jihad rocket misfire caused blast near Gaza hospital
@Maajmaaj@lemmy.ca avatar

electronicintifada.net/…/israels-spin-about-hospi…

Has the IDF’s claims been independently verified yet? No? Okie dokie.

Hyperreality ,

Do you think linking to an electronic intifada article makes you seem more or less biased?

Maajmaaj ,
@Maajmaaj@lemmy.ca avatar

Oh I don’t give I fuck what I seem like. Please proceed.

dingleberry ,

Read the article. Separate sources have come up with videos from another angle, backing Israel’s claim.

4am ,

Oh, is that the one with the wrong timestamp? Or is that the one where all the lights are still on in Gaza? Sorry I’m getting all my IDF propaganda confused

dumdum666 ,

Sorry I’m getting all my IDF propaganda confused

You are not the slightest bit better, by spreading an obscure Video that has no information whatsoever when/where it was made and what exactly is shown.

DmMacniel , to worldnews in Israel protests after Belgian minister says Palestinian towns being ‘wiped off map’

The truth hurts, huh?

wildbus8979 , to world in IDF: Efrat Katz was likely killed by IAF helicopter fire during abduction by Hamas terrorists on Oct. 7
queermunist , to worldnews in Blinken says all of Gaza facing unprecedented food insecurity
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

And who’s fault is that Blinken? 🤔

SkyezOpen ,

Hamas, obviously

/s

Wanderer , to world in Biden budget proposal excludes UNRWA funds, renews $14 billion request for Israel

Too many pro Israel people in Bidens government.

FenrirIII ,
@FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

It’s the American government, period. Jewish people contribute millions in lobbies and bribes.

GiveMemes ,

Careful there. Lots of American Jews don’t support Israel’s actions. Zionists do, whether they’re Jewish or not.

CptCarp ,

Such as Biden himself.

Borger , to world in IDF says it fired on Gazans who endangered troops in stampede; Hamas claims 70 dead

Fuck the I”D”F

Altofaltception , to world in 2 Jewish Israelis detained for allegedly spitting at Christian cleric in Jerusalem

I wonder how the Evangelical Christians in the US who blindly support Israel feel about this.

Telodzrum ,

Hopefully they’re smart enough not to extrapolate individual acts to population-level opinions.

Deceptichum OP ,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

Evangelical Christians in the US who blindly support Israel

Hopefully they’re smart enough

🤔

Got some bad news for you there.

BMatthew ,

This is not an individual event. People get beaten and harassed trying to get to Easter service, they refuse checkpoint crossing so people can’t make holy day services, shot people at churches, bombed churches. I mean this is a state based on a single religious superiority, you don’t think they harass and discriminate other religions? Christians don’t have the same rights as other groups, it is a known thing.

Altofaltception ,

Too late. They’ve bought the Israeli propaganda wholesale that all Palestinians are Hamas supporters.

jonne ,

They’ve been very quiet. Devoted Catholic Joe Biden hasn’t mentioned anything about IDF snipers killing 2 women in a Catholic church in Gaza either.

Heresy_generator ,
@Heresy_generator@kbin.social avatar

They blindly support Israel because they think Israel's existence is necessary to trigger the End Times; they don't give a shit about what actually happens there.

flipht ,

They actively don't care unless it impacts their pilgrimage directly.

They want Jesus to come back, and they think one part of that is that Jews control the holy land.

They are actively harming the world because they truly believe that 1) humans cannot destroy God's creation, so 2) if we get close he'll have to step in and end the world and take them to the heaven that they refused to build here.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Usually they think only Muslims lived in Palestine which is why they don’t care.

Even the Pope didn’t care until Christians started getting shot in Gaza

xmunk , to world in IDF safely rescues 2 hostages from Rafah in special nighttime operation

Good on them, I’m happy those two folks can return safely to their families.

… but it would’ve been much nicer if they were returned diplomatically.

HappycamperNZ ,

It would be, reality sucks.

Scrof ,

Negotiating with terrorists is about the dumbest thing one can do.

corsicanguppy ,

Terrorism begets terrorists. Whaddya gonna do?

maynarkh ,

Terrorism also begets power for Bibi. So guess what.

dragontamer ,

… but it would’ve been much nicer if they were returned diplomatically.

It would have been better if Hamas didn’t take civilian hostages to begin with, which btw, is a warcrime. But who is counting?

ModernRisk , (edited )
@ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Would have been nice if Israel did not steal the land in 1948, displaced 750 000 Palestinian people, having an apartheid state and put millions of Palestinians on starving.

Would been nice if Israel did not do illegal settlements, stealing more homes. Threatening to kill innocent Palestinian people If they do not give up their own homes.

Would also have been nice if Israel didn’t kill thousands of Palestinian people (more than 20 000 Palestinian people been murdered and ongoing).

But hey that suppose to be “okay” right because “right to self defense” right?

Want to talk about warcrimes? Check Israel’s history and ongoing warcrimes first.

Hamas was literally made because of Israel’s atrocities. They were made in 1987 because of all the things Israel did to the Palestinian people from 1948 up to 1987.

EDIT: Added a bit more context and specifics dates.

dragontamer ,

Would been nice if Israel did not do illegal settlements, stealing more homes.

Yeah that’s called the West Bank. That’s not even part of Gaza / where Hamas has control. You’re conflating issues as if I’m a dumbass who doesn’t know what’s going on in that region.

Want to talk about warcrimes? Check Israel’s history and ongoing warcrimes first.

So do you condone Oct. 7th or not? Both sides can be jackasses. Whataboutism fucking sucks when Republicans do it, I’m not going to tolerate it here either. If both sides suck, then we have other things to do.

But just saying “Oh, these warcrimes are fine but those aren’t” is no way to solve any issue. You wouldn’t be able to solve two 5-year-olds fighting with that kind of nonsense, and it obviously wouldn’t work on adults who are literally launching bombs at each other.

ModernRisk , (edited )
@ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It is the West Bank, does not take away about what is happening. I’m not conflating it, I’m explaining it.

Israel is stealing more land and homes and on a daily basis, murdering Palestinian people on a daily basis. Apartheid state.

Israel even said, they wanted to drop an atomic bomb on Gaza apnews.com/…/israel-nuclear-weapons-gaza-iran-chi…. Not to mention, they called Palestinian people “animals”. I can get that article for you too, if needed.

Again, “do you condone”, it is a nice way of trying to turning around tables isn’t it? I will ask you the same “do you condone Israelis atrocities, warcrimes, stealing land, murdering since 1948 up until now?”

I’m not saying, that one is fine and the other is not. Don’t try to put words into my mouth, that I never wrote or implied.

I’m telling you, before even talking about Hamas warcrimes - Check Israelis warcrimes first. You seem to blame Hamas for everything however the entire blame is Israel’s. It all started the moment they stole the land in 1948, displaced 750 000 people, apartheid state and kept going on from there.

dragontamer ,

It all started the moment they stole the land in 1948

That’s a fucking stupid start date.

It all started when the Ottoman Empire collapsed in 1917. The breakup of the empire leads to the modern Middle East crisis. Part of the deal from WW1 was Britain’s plan for the former Ottomans. Yes, it involves Israel and Palestine. It also involves a bunch of other things.

Palestine always was under another state. Yes, It was a Muslim Controlled Empire of the past few centuries, but that power doesn’t exist anymore.

Israel is stealing more land and homes and on a daily basis

Like all the settlers they removed from Gaza in 2005 and all the soldiers they removed?

en.wikipedia.org/…/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaz…

This is fucking why Gaza vs West Bank matters dude. Gaza is the side the Israeli’s left and returned. To be attacked from “this side” is a huge deal from the perspective of the greater Palestinians vs Israel conflict… and for those who want peace in this region. Hamas has shattered the peace in a way that seemingly cannot be put back together.


Just 6 months ago, Israel was far more focused on West Bank issues than Gaza. Or have you forgotten? Its like history of the last 15 years is completely missing from your understanding, and you are choosing exceptionally weird dates (wtf? 1948 ain’t even the start of the Israel plan. Why the fuck are you choosing this date historically? Most people would choose Balfour Declaration or some shit).

ModernRisk ,
@ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

You seem not to be able to discuss without being rude, it seems.

It is not a “stupid start date” is the start date that Israel became Israel and stole the land from the Palestinian people.

Since you are not able to discuss with manners, I refuse to explain anything further.

If anyone else wants to pick up the discussing from here with me on a nice manner, I’ll give counter arguments to this persons claim.

dragontamer ,

It is not a “stupid start date” is the start date that Israel became Israel and stole the land from the Palestinian people.

So you really don’t know what the Balfour Declaration was, who the Ottomans were, the end of WW1 or any of that?

Fine, whatever. Figure it out yourself.

ModernRisk ,
@ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Just read my last sentence/ paragraph. That’s all I have to say. After this I will not comment to you anymore.

dragontamer ,

I stand by what I said before.

1948 is a stupid start date for understanding this problem. The Israeli state was promised by the British in 1917, years before the British took over the region of Palestine. Deal with it. Before the founding of Mandatory Palestine of 1920 (which only existed as a piecemeal state the British took over after the Ottoman collapse), Britain already had plans for Israel.

History is a wee bit deeper than you might think it seems. Balfour Declaration is rather significant to the discussion, and your avoidance of the subject is quite telling. The plans for Israeli settlement were laid out nearly three decades before 1948.

BraveSirZaphod ,
@BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

To put it more diplomatically, yes, 1948 is a way too late of a starting year if you're seeking to examine the full historical context of the conflict. Jewish immigration into post-Ottoman Palestine started significantly earlier and was explicitly supported by the British during the aftermath of World War I (some limited immigration happened even earlier). It should be noted that Britain's actions here were directly contradictory to promises that they had made to their Arab allies during WWI, when they'd promised the Hashemite family (now the ruling royal family of Jordan, then ruling from Mecca) an Arab state from Mecca to Damascus in exchange for their military assistance against the Ottomans. My general understanding is that most of that immigration was generally legal, in that Jewish immigrants legally purchased land that they moved in to, but a lot of those landowners were Ottomans and their claim to the land can certainly be criticized. At any rate, as the number of Jews increased, tensions quickly emerged, Jews and Arabs rapidly started fighting, both sides commit terrible acts, and the moment the British leave, true war breaks out as all of Israel's neighbors invade, with the Israelis ultimately being successful and roughly establishing the modern borders of the West Bank and Gaza.

I personally would argue that we're long past the point where who started what is a particularly useful question towards finding a path to peace, since both sides have done terrible things and have next to no trust for one another, but if you want to explore the history, you really do need to go back to Ottoman Palestine, the beginnings of Zionism in the late 1800s, and World War I.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine

For some interesting context, I'd point you to the main image of this article, which shows land in British Palestine that was legally owned by Jews. The vast vast majority of Israel's Jewish population still lives in these same areas. Now again, most of this land was purchased from non-Palestinian land owners who had acquired it during the Ottoman era, and you can certainly criticize that as unfair or unjust, but I honestly don't think "steal" accurately describes the situation. You might say that the establishment of the Israeli state was a theft, but I don't see how that's meaningfully different than the establishment of British Mandatory Palestine, or Ottoman Palestine before that. You might say that modern Israel is the result of western imperialism, and I can somewhat understand that argument, but given that it was earlier under the Ottoman Empire, who were certainly not loved by the local Arab population, the difference feels almost more aesthetic than anything else.

For what it's worth, I do fully support an independent Palestine and think Netanyahu is a horror with zero interest in peace, though I also can understand that Israel has legitimate security concerns, though the retaliation in Gaza has absolutely been excessive.

Aidinthel , to world in We oppose axing UNRWA mid-war, senior Israeli official says amid global funding halt

“UNRWA should continue to exist but it shouldn’t have any funding.” Such bullshit. These people are despicable, and that includes those in other governments who made the decision to withdraw their support.

Viking_Hippie ,

Also, the reason for (apparently) not wanting a worsening of the humanitarian catastrophe they’ve created and are denying?

That they might have to stop bombing the shit out of Gaza for a bit until things cool down 🤬

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