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neidu2 , (edited ) to nostupidquestions in Who is this guy and what did he do?

He is currently spinning in his grave at 2000 revolutions per minute after learning how his face was monetized via t-shirt sales, making him the greatest revolutionary in history.

On a more serious note, Che was a marxist revolutionary active in middle america, and took part in (amongst other things) Fidel Castros coup. He has, for a few decades after his death, become a symbol for leftist uprising. But he has since become a symbol for smoking pot under a tree and thinking the world would be better if we could all just, like, be cool, and stuff, y’know.

Side note: I remember seeing an interview with the photographer who took the famous picture of Che. He didn’t mind its spread, so anyone is free to use it however they want, including sell8ng t-shirt prints.

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  • MagnyusG ,

    No it’s not, it’s Che like check.

    breadsmasher ,
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    Wait really? Maybe I have mispronounced this my entire life

    kambusha ,

    “Che” is how Argentineans say “hey”. Che, boludo!

    sagrotan ,
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    “2000 revolutions per minute” - Che’s utopia

    Varyk , (edited ) to aboringdystopia in Please Joe...

    This meme is full of shit:

    First Biden term: Increased health benefits for veterans, lowered insurance premiums for people who sign up through ACA, opened special enrollment resulting in 2.5 million Americans signing up for insurance, lowered the cost of insulin, streamlined ACA applications, removed medical coverage caps for children, increased transparency in pharmaceutical pricing, investing 2.5 billion in mental health, expanded telehealth across the nation, especially for rural communities.

    The American healthcare system sucks, and Biden has made definite significant improvements to make it suck less for tens of millions of people in just a few years.

    return2ozma OP ,
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    “if you don’t like it, then leave!” is not a good campaign pitch.

    Varyk ,

    Phew, good thing nobody is saying that.

    ExLisper ,

    Actually, you’re totally wrong. Healthcare in US is private and making access to private healthcare easier doesn’t solve any real problems. It just pumps more money into insurance companies and private hospitals. The healthcare expenditure is still raising (and is highest in the world with worst results than in other countries), medical bills are still growing (including out of pocket costs), people have more and more debt and insurance companies are doing great on the stock market. And this is exactly what Biden wants: preserve the status quo and pump more money into private healthcare companies. The main difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Republicans want to cut government spending and make individuals pay directly to the private sector (so they can charge even more) while Democrats want to tax people and pump money into private sector through ACA (in a more controlled way). That’s it.

    When people say ‘healthcare’ they mean ‘system without huge out of pocket costs and crashing debt’, not ‘a bit cheaper private insurance’.

    Varyk , (edited )

    Boy are you nominally correct but entirely wrong on sentiment, clarity and motivation.

    My previous comment, about American healthcare being terrible, disclaims your ostensibly argumentative position and is a review of having used the American healthcare system 15 years ago and not having used it since because of how terrible it is.

    I am not advocating for using the American healthcare system, I am correcting the incorrect opinion that Biden is not focusing on health care, while accessible and affordable healthcare is a primary concern of the Biden administration that he has significantly addressed with executive support about a dozen times in his first term.

    Since Americans keep voting for and buying into the private health care system, Biden is making the option American citizens are choosing and American corporations are pushing, more affordable and accessible.

    His administration is doing the best they can with what American citizens choose to pay for and American corporations choose to provide.

    ExLisper ,

    Since Americans keep voting for and buying into the private health care system, Biden is making the option American citizens are choosing and American corporations are pushing, more affordable and accessible.

    His administration is doing the best they can with what American citizens choose to pay for and American corporations choose to provide.

    That’s an interesting take but one that I completely disagree with. No one is voting for the current system. You may believe that people voted for Biden because he promised to keep the current system. I believe they voted for him despite that. Most Americans do support single payer/public option healthcare, it’s just impossible for them to get it in the current system (I explained why in the previous comment).

    I don’t know about OP but I’m not saying Biden ignores healthcare. I’m saying he is not delivering what most people want: a public option. People want new system while Biden gives them more of the old one. That’s why people complain.

    Varyk , (edited )

    Yes, your non-concerns are my non-concerns as well.

    The OP is what I have a problem with and what my comments are addressing, the incorrect blaming of Biden for a legacy private healthcare system, especially when it has been a primary focus of Biden’s administration to correct as much as it can within the contemporary system.

    Biden has done amazing work in less than four years to give tens of millions of people affordable and accessible health care, as well as working on ACA.

    Americans are voting within the two-party system within the current American for-profit medical infrastructure, and neither of these two parties want badly enough to change the contemporary health care system.

    While it is impossible to get quality, affordable health care in the current American system without being born into it or getting lucky, it is very simple to go abroad for the purpose of medical tourism.

    Flights anywhere in the world are a couple hundred dollars, and healthcare is easily half of what it is in the states while achieving a similar medical outcome, and often even cheaper, so you’re saving hundreds to tens of thousands of dollars easily with any non-urgent operation.

    This may not be as convenient as other services Americans expect, but as they are living within and paying into an exploitative health care system, it is what many Americans are looking for.

    Less money, less time, equitable healthcare.

    ExLisper ,

    Ok, I get your point. You’re right, complaining about Biden not reforming healthcare system when from the very beginning it was clear that’s not his objective is unfounded.

    Varyk ,

    Close, Biden provided a better healthcare at an affordable price that people were asking for instead of providing a new health care that people were not asking for.

    Leviathan , to memes in Yeah, well...

    I try real hard to not only change my mind but vocally (typographically) acknowledge when I was wrong because it’s so goddamnit rare and infuriating.

    aStonedSanta ,

    Same here. I work in tech and you’d be amazed how many people are so much less on guard around me because of this.

    Incandemon ,

    It’s a movie but CPT Jack was right, you cant trust an honest person, but people do anyways.

    shneancy ,

    same here, even when someone hasn’t changed my mind 100% I’ll often acknowledge if any of their arguments made me want to delve deeper into a topic and think more about my opinion on it

    dan , (edited ) to mildlyinfuriating in Teams apparently can't call when using Firefox
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    This is likely legacy code. Firefox used to have a lot of issues with WebRTC, so practically all video conferencing systems blocked it. Teams probably has some “block Firefox because it doesn’t work properly” check that was written 5+ years ago and none of the current developers are even aware of its existence.

    Well-coded ones did feature detection instead of checking the user-agent, meaning they automatically started allowing Firefox as soon as it implemented all the required features.

    Feature detection is usually the way to go. If your website / webapp depends on a particular feature, check if that specific feature exists, rather than checking for particular browsers. Browser checks are still needed in some cases, for example Safari sometimes reports that it supports particular features but it really doesn’t (or they’re so buggy to the point where they’re unusable), but that’s relatively rare.

    hemko ,

    Teams used to have more features on Firefox. Microsoft has intentionally started stripping off shit to move people to edgium

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    Oh… I didn’t know this. Maybe it is intentionally malicious then. Hmm.

    drathvedro ,

    Feature detection is usually the way to go. If your website / webapp depends on a particular feature, check if that specific feature exists, rather than checking for particular browsers. Browser checks are still needed in some cases, for example Safari sometimes reports that it supports particular features but it really doesn’t (or they’re so buggy to the point where they’re unusable), but that’s relatively rare.

    This is tough to implement when the feature is present, but implemented wrong. Or, even worse, when it’s implemented right, but the most popular browser implements it wrong and almost everyone else follow suit for compatibility reasons, except for one that takes the stance of following standards. I know safari is notorious for this, think pale moon had those issues, too, and there are still echoes from the past from pre-chrome internet explorer, thank god it’s finally dead.

    Monument ,

    Chrome is the new Internet Explorer.

    dan ,
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    At least Chrome is mostly standards-compliant and doesn’t do anything too weirdly. I’d say Safari is the new IE - lots of weird bugs that no other browser has, and sometimes you need hacks specific to Safari.

    raspberriesareyummy ,

    However, Chrome is a browser collecting user data for a company whose business model it is to sell user data. Edge is a shitty bloatware collecting user data for a company that has (for now) a business model selling software licenses.

    I wouldn’t say it’s “better” to use Edge, but I wouldn’t install Chrome either(!) on any device whose data I care about.

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    whose business model it is to sell user data

    So I know what you mean, but Google doesn’t sell user data. That’s a common misconception. The data is what makes the company valuable - they’re not going to just give that to anyone with money. Instead, they sell your attention. Advertisers can target their ads based on data collected about you. Advertisers never actually see the data nor do they know exactly which users are seeing their ad - they just get aggregate statistics.

    Having said that… Edge is basically Chrome but better (e.g. it uses less RAM). I use Firefox but if I didn’t, I’d give Edge a try. It’s unfortunate that Microsoft are trying to push it so hard, since it’s actually a decent browser that’s being ruined by Microsoft trying to force everyone to use it.

    raspberriesareyummy ,

    While I don’t know of course whether Google actually sells the data itself, let me rephrase my original criticism: “whose business model is based on monetizing user data - which can lead to severe privacy breaches / leaks of sensitive personal data”. Thanks for pointing that out, but I would say my prime concern remains.

    Monument ,

    That’s fair. I meant that more in terms of using market dominance to shape the browser market, and not in entirely good ways.

    I’ll rue the day that every website insists it only works with Chrome because of some user-privacy degrading feature that Google insists is a core web technology.

    drathvedro ,

    I couldn’t say that it is. Chrome team’s usual approach is to make and release stuff first, write specifications later. By the time the other browsers come along, there’s already both market adoption and bunch of dumb decisions set in stone as a standard. Most notable examples of this would be QUIC and WebUSB

    dan ,
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    This is tough to implement when the feature is present, but implemented wrong

    Sometimes it’s doable if you can call the API and check that the result is what you’d expect. For example, a long time ago some browsers incorrectly handled particular Unicode characters in JSON.parse. Sites could check for the incorrect behaviour and shim JSON.parse with a version that fixes the output.

    I’ve never worked with WebRTC but I imagine it might be difficult to do that with some of its APIs given they require camera or microphone access (meaning you can’t check for the bug until the user actually tries to use it).

    drathvedro ,

    Sometimes it’s doable if you can call the API and check that the result is what you’d expect

    Yeah, you can even test visual and network stuff at a cost of latency, but it’s hard and lots of developers are too lazy to do this, I’ve often seen sites that don’t even check if function exists before calling it, crashing the entire site because adblock cut out google tags or they call API that isn’t even implemented in firefox.

    I’ve never worked with WebRTC but I imagine it might be difficult to do that with some of its APIs given they require camera or microphone access

    I did. It’s a complete mess. First and foremost exactly because it’s a soup of completely unrelated tech - P2P, webcams, audio in&out, stream processing and compression, SIP(!?). There’s no good debug tooling available and lots of stuff is buried inside browser’s implementation. And, on top of that, any useful info on the topic is usually buried under lots of “make a skype killer in 5 minutes” kind of libraries with hardcoded TURN servers - the developer’s overpriced TURN servers, that is.

    DacoTaco ,
    @DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

    This is indeed the case. I use firefox daily, including for teams. I have to fake my user agent to do it, but it works. Its purely teams just saying fuck you to firefox…

    raspberriesareyummy , (edited )

    Could you share your user agent string please? I am still on the Teams desktop app for Linux, but that’s been discontinued in 2022 already, so I am anticipating the day it will stop working altogether. And I haven’t even managed to log in to teams web with Chromium yet (and no, I don’t want to install f*cking Chrome itself) - I get a permanent login loop on successful username / password :/

    Edit: never mind, I found it here: sopuli.xyz/comment/6224391

    User Agent String that works for me:

    Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/120.0.0.0 Safari/537.36

    Natanael ,

    You should update the spoofed agent occasionally or else you may get an update warning from some sites and get blocked. Just check what a current version of an allowed browser reports and copy it.

    raspberriesareyummy ,

    Yeah, probably a good idea. Nevertheless, I am pissed (but not surprised) to see that Firefox is getting locked out on purpose. A sincere “Fuck you” @Microsoft.

    Iceman9665 ,

    Do you get all teams functionality? I tried user agent sppof but couldn’t join conference calls properly on work teams so back to Chrome or was

    DacoTaco ,
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    There are a few quirks. Mostly doing video calls that doesnt work and makes me unable to join calls. Not a big loss for me haha.
    But as long as i dont enable video on my end, its fine.
    Teams is very fragile though, and a few of my privacy addons totally makes teams glitch once in a while

    kibiz0r ,

    They might be doing feature detection on one of the more obscure APIs, too. I know there’s some audio manipulation APIs that aren’t available.

    Someone complained about Discord deliberately blocking Firefox users because of that, but it turned out that spoofing the user agent would actually break the feature.

    Maultasche , to memes in other toys

    Coincidentally also named Woody and Buzz

    Artyom ,

    I wonder if that was the intent behind the names…

    JCreazy , to technology in Instagram finds that AI Mr beast scams do not go against community guidelines.

    If you stop using Instagram, then you won’t have to worry about it.

    dependencyinjection ,

    That doesn’t mean the issue disappears.

    emptiestplace ,

    What issue?

    dependencyinjection ,

    The issue of fake and scam ads on social media platforms.

    emptiestplace ,

    null ,

    Of course it doesn’t. Still good advice regardless.

    Coasting0942 ,

    But it does mean that an unpaid moderator isn’t attempting to moderate their platform. Let them see what happens when they take the extwitter approach of letting the computers handle everything.

    dependencyinjection ,

    I’d rather vulnerable or stupid people didn’t get scammed first.

    KISSmyOS , to lemmyshitpost in I knew it all along!

    Computers are powered by magic smoke.
    When the smoke escapes, the computer doesn’t work anymore.
    Also, the earth isn’t flat.
    EARTH HAS 4 CORNER
    SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY
    TIME CUBE

    flicker ,

    It has been so, so long since I last saw the Time Cube. Thank you.

    EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted ,
    @EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    TIME CUBE!!!

    pomodoro_longbreak ,
    @pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

    If a Man cannot tear a page
    from the marshmallow and burn it -
    then he cannot be a scientist

    so true 😔

    Railing5132 ,

    What in the schizophrenia word salad did I just read?

    Klear ,

    Exactly that.

    Syrc ,

    More about the Time Cube (warning: you’ll probably end up with more questions after reading it)

    simin ,

    your daily lemmy shitposting

    InfiniWheel , to lemmyshitpost in keep going lads!

    Humanity’s secret weapon: power walking

    IrateAnteater ,

    Sweaty power walking.

    bastian_5 ,

    And throwing shit very well

    eezeebee ,
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    dinckelman , to games in "The Day Before" makers Fntastic are shutting down.

    Everyone knew it would be a pump and dump

    Mamertine , to lemmyshitpost in Crypto genius

    You’d still owe that debt. Unless you go to prison for live than the debt’s statute length. Generally 7 years.

    Also some jurisdictions make you pay for the privilege of going to prison.

    Ymmv, choose your state of jurisdiction very carefully.

    Also crypto is a bubble IMO.

    Goodtoknow ,
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    Don’t pay and ignore collectors… Profit

    chuckleslord ,

    IMO nothing, it’s pure speculation powered by nothing but blind greed. If it isn’t a bubble, then nothing is.

    DampSquid ,

    You just described all economies

    chuckleslord ,

    I mean, logically there’s something that people need in some of those…

    kautau ,

    Bro food is a bubble

    starman2112 ,
    @starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Lmao yeah me trading an hour worth of work for a meal that I will consume is the same thing as me trading an hour of work for a nebulous pile of 1s and 0s and hoping some dipshit will pay 2 hours worth of work for them later

    Shareni ,

    Lmao you’re working in a barter economy?

    starman2112 ,
    @starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I make x dollars per hour

    A meal at a restaurant costs roughly x dollars

    I trade one hour of labor for x dollars, then trade x dollars for one meal

    YOU DO THIS TOO

    Shareni ,

    So you’re working in hope to get a nebulous pile of 1s and 0s or a some colorful pieces of paper. On top of that those numbers and papers have no intrinsic value, but are instead valuated by some dipshits and can become worthless overnight.

    What’s your point there buddy?

    Lmao yeah me trading an hour worth of work for a meal that I will consume is the same thing as me trading an hour of work for a nebulous pile of 1s and 0s and hoping some dipshit will pay 2 hours worth of work for them later

    SCB ,

    So you’re working in hope to get a nebulous pile of 1s and 0s or a some colorful pieces of paper.

    No. Money is a representation of an exchange of value.

    Crypto is not money the same way gold is not money.

    youtu.be/iKYKLgzyF9o?si=o-tMPGpGu-zZPYiM

    starman2112 ,
    @starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

    those numbers and papers have no intrinsic value, but are instead valuated by some dipshits and can become worthless overnight.

    Remind me again what Bitcoin is

    Trainguyrom ,

    The money I work for has value because its almost entirely held in banks insured by the United States Federal Reserve and those dollars are backed by the full faith and credit of the United States. If that money becomes valueless overnight the whole world is in for a very rough time, and I definitely won’t be alone in my plight. You can’t say any of that about cryptocurrencies

    frezik ,

    Economics is simply a study in how to allocate scarce goods. It does not need to result in hoarding scarce goods in the hope of getting more for them later.

    DrBoom , (edited )

    How many bubbles pop 3 three times and then proceed to blow up bigger than the last time? I know of exactly zero. Looks more like an adoption curve when expressed logarithmically

    frezik ,

    Adoption for what? There’s no indication that it’s becoming interconnected to the economy at large. Just the opposite, in fact. FTX, one of the biggest crypto banks, completely collapsed and the rest of the economy didn’t care. If it was Goldman Sachs or BoA, everyone would be sounding alarm bells, because they are actually integrated into the rest of the economy. Crypto just isn’t.

    DrBoom ,

    Adoption as a hedge against fiat debasement, primarily. FTX wasn’t a bank BTW, it was a shady exchange that mostly laundered money and stole customers’ funds. It was more analogous to a precious metal dealer like JM Bulion or similar, except run by criminals.

    The purpose of crypto isn’t to integrate with the existing system anyway. The purpose is to provide a parallel system that isn’t subject to the kind of manipulation present in the legacy system. Unfortunately, crypto has become completely overrun with scammers and charlatans just looking to take advantage of rubes. The fundamental principals of Bitcoin are still intact in the code and network though, and IMO will win out simply because it is incorruptible and indestructible. The legacy system seems to have decided the same, and is currently adopting a ‘if you can’t beat em, join em’ attitude by pushing for ETF products to offer bitcoin to their customers though more traditional means.

    I don’t expect my post to change anyone’s mind, but I would encourage anyone reading to look into why bitcoin has crashed multiple times and come roaring back each time.

    garbagebagel ,

    Wait if you can avoid debt collectors for 7 years they just forget about you?? Like I could fuck off to another country where they can’t garner my wages and come back and they can’t do shit about it?

    AA5B ,

    It’s not that clearcut: they have various tricks to keep it alive, if they know where you are. This is why you never admit to a debt nor pay the token amount they offer; both are tricking you into legally claiming responsibility, so they can keep the debt alive

    Trainguyrom ,

    Debt is super weird. In some cases you can have thousands very much just disappear after 7 years, in others they’ll hunt you down mercilessly over a $25 copay they mailed you a “this is not a bill” letter about 2 years ago. My wife was pretty deep in debt when we first started dating and I literally have seen both extremes and everything inbetween.

    howrar ,

    Couldn’t you just leave the country and disappear somewhere with a low cost of living? Not like anyone can catch you moving crypto across borders.

    Aganim , to lemmyshitpost in I don't know how to title this

    As a developer I can only say: no matter how foolproof you make your product, you will always encounter that one special user.

    ShieldsUp ,

    foolproof? There aren’t even any latches on this cover! Who wrote these requirements?!

    blindbunny , to lemmyshitpost in Let's confuse Americans!

    Wait where’s the bag?

    greenteadrinker ,

    As an American, I too need to know where the bag went

    Alteon ,

    As an American, I believe the bag is still attached to the rest of the cow.

    protist ,

    That’s udder nonsense!

    retro , to piracy in Using the "frog in boiling water" technique

    The frog in boiling water is actually a complete myth. The frog jumps out when the water is too warm for it, it’s not completely stupid. If the price is ‘too hot’ for you, jump out. Deezer (or any other streaming service) isn’t forcing you to stay subscribed.

    lostmypasswordanew , to technology in If you live in the EU - you may also be faced with this Meta prompt. Info in text.

    The text is also incredible misleading. The data will still be harvested and monetized, just not for ads.

    hightrix ,

    Even that claim I find dubious. Yes, your data won’t inform targeted ads on Facebook, but that doesn’t mean it won’t be used for targeted ads elsewhere on the internet.

    Honytawk ,

    And it most certainly will still be used to make general prediction for the rest of the population

    ExLisper , (edited ) to lemmyshitpost in You guys need to stop

    And of course all shit electric cars are all automatic. It’s part of the NWO agenda. They want to force us all into electric, automatic cars, Over my dead body! A car that does not produce smelly fumes when driving is not a real car. What I am supposed to smell when walking in the city? Air? Fucking dumb. On top of that they make no sound! There’s nothing to tune up to make my car sound like a racing machine. How I’m supposed to let everyone know I have a small dick if I can’t rev my engine all the time? Not to mention electric cars don’t emit CO2 so I can’t lock myself in a garage with the engine running and kill myself when I realize that no one is impressed by my car and my dick is still tiny. Absurd!

    doofer_name ,

    Over my dead body!

    Be careful now. The German car and American gun industry might listen and team up.

    zurohki ,

    electric cars are all automatic

    They aren’t, really. They don’t actually change gears, if you want to go backwards you spin the motor backwards.

    Hilariously, jump starting EVs is a thing if the 12V battery dies. And no, you can’t roll start them.

    bitwaba ,

    And no, you can’t roll start them.

    I imagine you “can”, it’s just not very effective. Like, if they allowed you to switch it to regenerative breaking and let it roll down a hill. The problem is you can’t get out any more energy than you put in. So if the battery is dead and you roll down the hill you won’t be able to rull any farther up the other side than you started (even less when you factor in mechanical -> electrical -> mechanical. You’d probably better off putting it in neutral [if that’s a thing for electric cars] and just let it roll)

    ObviouslyNotBanana OP ,
    @ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

    We just need to make all roads go downhill

    WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,

    Both ways.

    zurohki ,

    No, you actually can’t.

    For safety reasons, the 400V main battery isn’t hardwired to the car. There’s a couple of contactors powered by the 12V battery that connect it to the car.

    If your 12V battery dies, the contactors open and the car is completely dead. You have to jump it or replace the 12V battery, then the contactors pull in, then the main battery can start charging the 12V.

    Even plugging it in doesn’t work - the car won’t take a charge if the electronics are dead.

    If the main battery is dead but the 12V hasn’t died yet, you can try regenning down a hill or plugging in or whatever. But if you lose the 12V, the car’s bricked.

    It’s set up that way so that first responders can get to an accident, pop the hood, cut the 12V and then start cutting you out of the wreckage without worrying about high voltage cables.

    ObviouslyNotBanana OP ,
    @ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

    just bridge them with a screw driver

    bitwaba ,

    Yeah, obviously there’s technical reasons why. I was just approaching the problem theoretically. And then showing why the theory is stupid. It makes sense that they would implement other things for safety, especially if avoiding them only enabled a completely useless solution to a dead battery.

    UltraMagnus0001 ,

    Some have multiple speeds. I think the Porsche has 2 speeds for quick acceleration.

    axsyse ,

    tl;dr: my PHEV does change gears when in EV mode, as weird as it sounds

    So, I drive a Hyundai Ioniq Plug-in Hybrid EV (PHEV). It’s a hybrid with a larger battery so you can plug it in and drive fully-EV on the battery for about 30 miles/50 kilometers or so. The freaky thing is that the EV motor is connected to the transmission, so it does switch gears sometimes and you can feel it when it does. Even freakier is that this also applies to regenerative braking: when you slow down from a high speed, you can sometimes feel it switching gears while you brake. That all isn’t too bad since it’s got a dual-clutch transmission and so it switches gears pretty quickly, but it can still be a bit freaky at times.

    Additionally: there are some people who have converted antique cars to EVs, but to save money they didn’t touch the transmission and instead elected only to replace the engine. They still have manual transmissions in them, though I suppose you could probably just find a suitable gear to leave them on 100% of them time. Still, you can, in principle, switch gears on them.

    azertyfun ,

    Typically I’ve seen people keep their car in 2nd (or reverse IIRC? That way your controller doesn’t have to support reverse and you don’t have to put in a new switch on the dash) in electric swaps. Also you don’t use the clutch pedal to start, only to change gears, which is a bit freaky when you’re not used to it.

    On the highway there might be value in switching to a higher gear though, torque/efficiency curves aren’t perfectly flat even on electric motors. I would be curious to know what gains would be had on a modern electric platform like an ID.3 if one was to put in a cheap two or three gears sequential/manual transmission (for all I know the efficiency gains would not offset the additional losses from the clutch and gearbox, and even if they are some gains I’m sure that they do not make up for the inconvenience/lack of comfort of a MT).

    bstix ,

    I’ve literally seen people post that they’d consider going electric if only it had an engine sound. Seriously, people who are old enough to have a drivers license want their car to go wroom wroom.

    I get it. It’s the same reason all cars have a steering wheel, despite it being the most dangerous part of the interior. Joysticks just don’t give the same feel as when the captain steers the boat over the seven seas.

    Wroom wroom, steer steer, wroooom, change gear while turning, push pedal, wroom wroom.

    GiveMemes ,

    I mean the wheel is definitely the best control mechanism for driving… whether or not it’s dangerous, there’s a reason the best sim racers use wheels and not controllers and it’s that they provide vastly more control. So nice argument except it’s all based on a false claim that joysticks are better lmaoooo

    bstix ,

    I think it’s just a matter of getting used to it. Something like a playstation controller would be easy to learn for most people. People who play racing games seriously wouldn’t use a wheel and pedals. It’s just too slow.

    Sprucie ,

    But in a racing game the wheels can also twist from hard lock left to hard lock right in a millisecond, not sure that’s possible or desired in real life

    ObviouslyNotBanana OP ,
    @ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

    Rolling over is desired

    I_dont_believe_it ,

    Huh? People that use steering wheel and peddles for racing games have a serious advantage, it’s far more accurate, I have no idea what makes you think it’s too slow or what that’s even supposed to mean.

    Most people use a controller for racing games because there’s no setup or space requirements and it’s what they’re used to. Plus a basic decent steering wheel setup is about three to four times the cost of a standard Xbox or PlayStation controller.

    bstix ,

    Huh. I guess times have changed. It used to be that keyboard players would always win.

    Anyway it doesn’t change my opinion on the topic. Car steering wheels are stupid and only kept relevant because it’s fun to turn.

    doubletwist ,

    Keyboard and mouse players win in FPS shooters, not driving games.

    As someone who spent an inordinate about of time trying to play Test Drive III with a keyboard, I can assure you that a keyboard is a terrible interface for driving.

    Later, Test Drive Le Man’s and PGR3 helped me learn that a controller is better than a keyboard, but still not great.

    A wheel is by far the best control mechanism for a car.

    bstix ,

    A wheel is by far the best control mechanism for a car.

    Well, here I am challenging that idea, and apparently that is a bit too much for most, but I have yet to be given any proof of the superiority of the wheel.

    I for one would prefer to control my car using a theremin. How can you know that it is not better, if no one has ever tried it?

    doubletwist ,

    Well, if you truly think it’s better you’re welcome to put your money on the line to develop a prototype theremin-controlled vehicle and provide real world data to prove that it’s a better mechanism for controlling vehicles on public roads than a wheel and pedals.

    Until that happens, I’m going to stick with the proven technology.

    I_dont_believe_it ,

    I’d put my hand up to try that! (And then crash into the nearest tree because I put my hand up to try that 😉).

    I_dont_believe_it ,

    So much fun 😊 and don’t forget the vroooom

    WhiteHawk ,

    People who play racing games seriously wouldn’t use a wheel and pedals. It’s just too slow.

    That is not true at all, unless the racing game is NFS or something. The people seriously playing racing sims all use wheels and pedals.

    vonxylofon ,

    Clearly, you don’t frequent simracing communities.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Something like a playstation controller would be easy to learn for most people.

    I mean, you can steer a submarine with it, am I right?

    jukibom ,

    Steering wheels are enormous because that allows fine grain control, which you need at higher speeds. Switching lane at 70mph requires only very slight movement but turning the car around in a street you can go full lock.

    A joystick would be fucking TERRIFYINGLY stupid lmao

    hglman ,

    Fundamentally a joystick is a device that gives input in 2 dimensions, while steering a car is a 1 dimensional input.

    wieson ,

    But the wheels only have one degree of freedom…

    wandermind ,

    I think that’s what they’re pointing out, that a joystick has too many dimensions.

    hglman ,

    Just like the wheels on the car.

    wieson ,

    Those are the ones

    programmer_belch ,
    @programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Joysticks in remote controllers for toy helicopters are usually forced into one direction, you can just restrict one of the two dimensions

    hglman ,

    So a thing worse than a wheel?

    programmer_belch ,
    @programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    While a wheel is more familiar to me, I don’t think it has many advantages over a speed modulated joystick, just make it as big as a hand so that you can have a hand for the joystick and lights and another for the gear stick, maybe put the control of the lights on the joystick if its more convenient

    hglman ,

    But cars move in an arc, the turning of the wheel is an extremely good analog for the cars movement. I really disagree and I submit that no one uses a joystick for sim racing, if it was better ppl would have latched on. You need the force feedback and control that comes with grasping a wheel and having the lever moment that a wheel gives. A joy stick has no mechanical advantage.

    programmer_belch ,
    @programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    That’s true but when I talk about a joystick, I was thinking more in the line of a big lever connected to where the turning wheel is, the problem I see is that the servos to give the analog feedback would have to be stronger. As there is no precedent, we can’t see if it would stick

    bstix ,

    No it’s not terribly stupid. Handicapped people already use other controllers without any issues.

    A steering wheel is already electronically adjusted for speed. The servo will work just as well regardless of the controller device.

    Along with lane assistance and other “self driving cars” it should be pretty evident that there is nothing dangerous about giving up the physical turny wheely kindergarten toy controller.

    jukibom ,

    It’s not just about precision, it’s about feedback. Being directly connected with the steering linkage gives valuable feedback about the road and the front wheels - just because handicapped people have an alternative that they may use out of necessity does not mean it’s a better solution.

    In a fully autonomous car, sure perhaps a simple manual system as a backup makes sense but we aren’t there yet. You are talking absolute nonsense, and I can only assume you haven’t ever driven a vehicle.

    filcuk ,

    Some vehicles use steering by wire, which uses motors for i/o. This allows for steering sensitivity adjustments based on speed or even* preference.

    jukibom ,

    True, but sensitivity is only half the story - the direct feedback of a wheel cannot be overstated

    filcuk ,

    You’re right, but that should be part of the system.
    There is virtually no noticeable lag.
    The same technology is used by F1 vehicles, for example.

    jukibom ,

    Not lag, physical pushback from the wheels

    axsyse ,

    I’ll just leave this here. In short: a guy wrote a physics engine to simulate any combustion engine, and then further got it working with an electric motor so electric motors can use a simulated vroom vroom

    youtu.be/4U41OxHiqI8

    vithigar ,

    I was extraordinarily glad to have a wheel when my power steering failed and found myself having to turn the car using the strength of my arms and the mechanical leverage of the wheel. A joystick would’ve made the vehicle literally impossible to steer.

    ObviouslyNotBanana OP ,
    @ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

    It’d have to be a long joystick.

    Sorgan71 ,

    thats what she said

    vithigar ,

    I’ve literally seen people post that they’d consider going electric if only it had an engine sound.

    In many regions now it’s actually mandated that EVs make additional noise when moving at low speeds (less than 40km/h or so). There were concerns that quiet vehicles would have more pedestrian accidents.

    eco_game ,

    There actually is an EV with engine sounds and a “manual transmission” from Toyota. According to ArsTechnica, it’s supposed to be pretty good:

    arstechnica.com/…/toyota-has-built-an-ev-with-a-f…

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    Yeah but that 40 year old with a 4k computer, 90 series card, more lighting than fast and the furious, surrounded by 10k of plastic figures is 👌 Chad.

    creditCrazy ,
    @creditCrazy@lemmy.world avatar

    Honestly the only issue I have with electric car sound, is that in the country side animals, listin for your engine. So silent electric cars make it all the more likely that your gonna hit a bear. I’m not even asking for them to be deafeningly loud. Other than that my only problem with electric cars in general, is that they are soo overall boring. The Tesla models are just generic car design smoothed over. At least the Prius has a neat double rear windshield. Honestly the only electric car I’ve been thinking of getting, are those new 2cevs that are being reproduced, but electric. The only fun cool cars being made today are Supras and Miatas. Everything made in America just looks like a blow up car thats about to burst. Drm just worsens them further because now I can’t mod or enjoy fixing them. Electric cars are just infuriating because they are just a battery connected to some motors. The complicated part is a fuckin computer chip why is everything sealed. All this effort for a car that looks like a car shaped cum blob.

    ExLisper ,

    I for one think that cars should be boring. And safe. Safe and boring. You want a fun car? Go to a racing track. You’re on a public road, sharing it with responsible people? Drive responsibly. Be boring. Shitload of people would still be alive today of everyone had a boring car and drove in a boring way.

    creditCrazy ,
    @creditCrazy@lemmy.world avatar

    I disagree because when we look at places like the Netherlands were they have driving alternatives ie bike, train and walk. Driving becomes more fun and the only people on the road are people who ether like driving or traveling long distances and driving accidents plumit. Compair that to amarica where driving is already boring, we have aggressive drivers, drunk driver and irresponsible drivers, and we have greater amounts of accidents. Because people who don’t enjoy driving are forced to drive and people who do enjoy driving have nowhere to go. It’s kinda like skateboarding with higher stakes. If you tear down skateparks, people who enjoy skateboarding with skate in public. Today we are expanding urban sprawl to the point that city’s are destroying the few race tracks that are left. So no duh hooners are going to hoon in public roads. The government destroyed the local track last year. So ultimately no I don’t think boring cars are the solution to bad driving. If anything it’s just gonna make it worse because no one cares about how well they drive it’s boring.

    Voyajer ,
    @Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

    Apparently all the deer around me are fuckin deaf going by what cares I’ve seen hit them.

    creditCrazy ,
    @creditCrazy@lemmy.world avatar

    I suppose different places have different animals. But in my home state at least, deer were only a problem when my folks got a f150. That ironically enough was extremely quiet. It was easily my familys most quite vehicle we had. And it was the only vehicle that had deer jumping in front of it and even hit a bear.

    vithigar ,

    Honestly the only issue I have with electric car sound, is that in the country side animals, listin for your engine. So silent electric cars make it all the more likely that your gonna hit a bear. I’m not even asking for them to be deafeningly loud.

    Mentioned this in another comment, but many regions now mandate that EVs have noisemakers built in which emit sound at low speeds (<40km/h or so).

    en.wikipedia.org/…/Electric_vehicle_warning_sound…

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