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krey , to memes in life hack

salmonella wrote this post

Sho , to memes in For Free!

It also spits in the face of the U.S. flag code 🙄

FartsWithAnAccent , (edited )
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

These fucking chuds would wipe their ass with the flag if they thought it would “own the libs”, they don’t give a fuck about country or civic duty.

GreenMario ,

Fake ass patriots can’t even display the proper Murikan flag 🇺🇸 smh

ramenshaman , to memes in Please discuss.
beteljuice ,

So answer is yes

ToastedPlanet ,

It’s sushi. The carbs form four sides of the cube.

xia ,

Hmm… so a steak is a salad, and a salad is nachos? Something screwy here…

donslaught ,

Salad is only nachos if it contains croutons, won ton strips, or some other form of free-floating non-structural starch.

ludwig ,

Food identification war intensifies

stillwater ,

I’m amazed this page didn’t have a featherless chicken labelled “Human”

pr0x1m4 , to memes in Chads!

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Arch Linux. The performance improvemnts are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of the GNU + Linux kernal, most of the it will go over a typical wiki user’s head. There’s also journalctl ‘s objective outlook, which is deftly woven into systemd - its personal philosophy draws heavily from Linus Torvalds, for instance. The powerusers understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of the user space, to realize that they’re not just usefil- they say something deepin about Arch. As a consequence people who dislike Arch Linux truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the utility in crontab’ing sudo pacman -Syyu every 5 minutes. Which itself is a cryptic reference to Debian’s aptitude. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Aaron Griffin’s genius unfolds itself on their non-i3 screens. What fools… how I pity them. 😂 And yes by the way, I DO have an Arch Linux tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the ladies’ eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they don’t have a full system upgrade to complete.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@kbin.social avatar

Ah, a copypasta in the wild. It's been a while since I've seen one. Especially derivative ones.

BoldTake , to memes in Remember me comrades!
@BoldTake@hexbear.net avatar

this is fine marxists can handle a little roasting as a treat (ima marxist)

edite: lmao hexbear even has an emoji of this

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Awoo ,

purge-2 :prigozhin:

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kogasa ,
@kogasa@programming.dev avatar

Yeah. What they can’t handle is anyone seriously disagreeing with them.

brain_in_a_box ,

How would you know? So far the only disagreement we’ve seen has been profoundly unserious.

kogasa ,
@kogasa@programming.dev avatar

Every time I try, they find me and

brain_in_a_box ,
commiewithoutorgans ,
@commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net avatar

You replied to someone from hexbear at the top of this chain. Find them then claim they found you. Be serious or PPB

kogasa ,
@kogasa@programming.dev avatar

I take it back, you morons can’t handle jokes either.

commiewithoutorgans ,
@commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net avatar
nat_turner_overdrive ,
@nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net avatar

real bad comedian who can’t get laughs lamenting “i’m being cancelled” energy

kogasa ,
@kogasa@programming.dev avatar

Moron.

nat_turner_overdrive ,
@nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net avatar
Flaps ,

Try what lol

Alfredolin ,

No matter your opinion, it WAS a good joke, in line with the post. Noice.

UnicodeHamSic ,

I have only seen silly disagreement which I never bother reading or responding to.

ARg94 ,

You should be ashamed. Marxism has cost millions of lives. You weak-brains are a blight on humanity.

Durotar , to asklemmy in What is the biggest lesson that employment has taught you?
@Durotar@lemmy.ml avatar

My company laid off a few very efficient workers, who sacrificed a lot of time and mental health for the company, because people working remotely in India are cheaper.

NimbleSloth ,

Sounds like a company I worked for. I saw the writing on the wall and got out. A lot of good people were laid off and a second office in India was opened…

Sleazy_Albanese , to memes in Lemmy since the reddit collapse

Even im weirded out by how thoroughly the left was suppressed on reddit and other platforms. People on reddit only saw themselves mirrored and thought they were the only ones who existed.

mustardman ,

Right? You wouldn’t recognize the place if the last time you were there was in 2016

Sleazy_Albanese ,

well i was permabanned in 2020 so it actually has been a while

gowan ,
@gowan@reddthat.com avatar

It isn’t that the left is suppressed. It is that Reddit is more American centric and the USA is simply not that progressive.

McCainRBGcreampie ,
@McCainRBGcreampie@hexbear.net avatar

reddit-logo is very Eglin AFB-centric

CyborgMarx ,

Dozens of major leftist subreddits were literally banned, CTH being the most famous example, thousands of users received constant arbitrary 3 day bans over and over again with no explanation, the admins and mods who worked with them were pretty open about their suppression of the left

gowan ,
@gowan@reddthat.com avatar

CTH was shut down for brigading and abuse though. It wasn’t all that different from T_D albeit a better class of troll

CyborgMarx ,

Yeah you keep telling yourself that horseshit, just ignore the fact the admins flatly said we were banned for “inciting violence” in the form of “KIll all slaveowners”

Also “brigading” that’s an interesting word, is that what you’re doing right now?

gowan ,
@gowan@reddthat.com avatar

No because brigading is encouraging a subset of a website to raid something else. A single person cannot be brigading anything as a single person isn’t a brigade.

ShimmeringKoi ,
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

How about many single persons acting individually with no direction?

gowan ,
@gowan@reddthat.com avatar

That would also not be brigading but if you are crossposting with say /r/conservative in order to draw people to fight there that would be brigading.

Before ShermanPosting became a place that just shat on the south brigading was a problem.

McCainRBGcreampie ,
@McCainRBGcreampie@hexbear.net avatar

Not sure that was the reason

JB-shining-aggro

autismdragon ,
@autismdragon@hexbear.net avatar

www.reddit.com/r/chapotraphouse

This community was banned for violating Reddit’s rule against promoting hate.

Doesn’t say anything about brigading.

And since we weren’t a hate sub in any way, my only conclusion is they think “kill all slave owners” is hate, since they LITERLALY complained about that and removed our comments saying so. john-brown

gowan ,
@gowan@reddthat.com avatar

“Remember the human. Reddit is a place for creating community and belonging, not for attacking marginalized or vulnerable groups of people. Everyone has a right to use Reddit free of harassment, bullying, and threats of violence. Communities and people that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.”

That’s Spez’s quote on the reason for CTH being banned. Looks like it was for all the threats of violence and harassment, which I absolutely regularly saw from CTH posters, and it had nothing to do with hatespeech.

ThereRisesARedStar ,

Spez wants to own slaves after “the collapse” so it makes sense he interprets “kill slaveowners” as hate speech.

Frank ,
@Frank@hexbear.net avatar

1.) Spez is a Nazi, so write that down

2.) We were banned because we wouldn’t stop posting “KILL ALL SLAVE OWNERS” in our own quarantined sub.

Frank ,
@Frank@hexbear.net avatar

Notably; promoting hate against dead slave owners, a protected class according to Spez.

SmokinStalin ,
@SmokinStalin@hexbear.net avatar
gowan ,
@gowan@reddthat.com avatar

Yes because only nazis oppose a system that does not achieve much other than mass murder leading to authoritarianism.

AntiOutsideAktion ,
@AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net avatar

To be fair nazis are where you hear that kind of shit from historically

ThereRisesARedStar , (edited )

Yes because only nazis oppose a system that does not achieve much other than mass murder leading to authoritarianism.

The British and American empires also led the anti-communist crusade. You’ll note the massive stacks of bodies and constant installation of puppet governments each one is responsible for.

If you think the Soviets weren’t less mass murder-y by a magnitude less than capitalist or monarchist governments you need to learn more about the constant stream of violence that capitalism produces. Even the massively exaggerated death counts of all socialist countries put together by anticommunists pale in comparison to just the British empire.

Also revolutions are the most authoritarian thing in existence. It is literally one class exercising control through physical violence and coercion against the class that has been socially murdering them and oppressing them until they collectively couldn’t take it anymore and were organized enough to fight back.

Frank ,
@Frank@hexbear.net avatar

That’s nice.

autismdragon ,
@autismdragon@hexbear.net avatar

I’d say both are true. The left is actively suppressed on the platform AND the userbase is not that progressive (particularly on geopolitics) because of it being American-centric.

Frank ,
@Frank@hexbear.net avatar

Spez et-all quarantined and eventually banned all the left subreddits years ago. The closest thing left is I think the Trueanon sub…

meth_dragon ,
@meth_dragon@hexbear.net avatar

feels like thedeprogram sub hoovered up all the gzd people who missed the lifeboat

oregoncom ,
@oregoncom@hexbear.net avatar

Americans at large do not support the weird p3do libertarian bullshit that spez supports.

iie ,

I mean Reddit’s director of policy, Jessica Ashooh, is former Deputy Director of the Atlantic Council’s Middle East Strategy Task Force — she’s literally a state department plant.

Objects , to memes in 🙃😵💀

My prescriptions cost so much too. Maybe I should just stop taking my antidepressants and see how it rides out. .

FlickOfTheBean ,

“If you spiral into the grave, your cost of living goes down by 100%!” - some jackass at the wsj soon, probably

FinalRemix ,

Just take 'em every other day, as a treat!

  • DON’T do this!
moosetwin ,

what would actually happen if you did do this… say for money reasons

kitonthenet , to memes in Learn from your mistakes

it's bullshit that that's what got her job pulled tho.

thrawn ,

The person she told that to, Homer Hickam, had no say in the firing, expressed disappointment after, and helped her get another job after (though I do not recall if it was successful). In an era where companies are increasingly sensitive about what employees post online, she had it much much better than just about anyone else in the world fired for the same thing at least.

And really… perhaps I’m old fashioned, but posting stuff like that in the same tweet as your NASA offer was pretty poorly thought out. NASA doesn’t feel like the type of organization that wants its employees associated with messaging like that.

_number8_ ,

i mean so? it’s on an anonymous twitter account; it could easily be some random loon. they didn’t have to track her down

rog ,

They obviously knew her twitter prior to offering the job and were actively monitoring it. The NASA guy doesnt just go around telling people to watch their language in tweets. They were keeping an eye on them, and they fucked up.

007v2 ,

Right, it clearly wasn’t anonymous if someone knew who she was to fire here. That previous comment wasn’t thought through lol

Melody ,

While I’m usually all for that sort of consequence to happen to someone who is legitimately being gross or creepy; I don’t think they should’ve actually fired her. Legitimately it should’ve been a stern warning and a request to apologize for the statement at worst.

Do I think it was a good idea to tweet it? Of course not. Was it unprofessional? Probably. I guess it depends on if the tweet or statement was made IRL or on Twitter via an alternate account.

EhList ,
@EhList@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah if they work for NASA we should be able to presume they are intelligent enough to know not to do this.

ReakDuck ,

Intelligence is not really one thing. Even if the person was very intellegent, emotions play a high role in behaviour too

visak ,

And it was positive emotion. It was joy for getting the job and the “suck my dick” comment I read as “let me have this”. And I’m an old dude.

Was it professional or a wise idea? No, but it’d like an astronaut on their first space walk saying “Holy fuck this is amazing.”

kitonthenet ,

just about anyone else in the world fired for the same thing at least.

yes thank u that's the thing I think is bullshit

tox_solid ,
@tox_solid@lemmy.world avatar

Not really. She’s a cunt with main character syndrome. I wouldn’t hire her either.

UnverifiedAPK ,

I wouldn’t hire her either.

main character syndrome

Pot calling the kettle black right here.

tox_solid ,
@tox_solid@lemmy.world avatar

Lmao you know me so well, random internet psychologist.

Nythos ,

And you, too, know the person in the original tweet, random internet CEO

Stuka ,

Can i be a random internet firefighter?

feedum_sneedson ,

dick and balls

anas , to technology in Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025

This sounds like a problem for October 2025 me

737 ,

Governments, schools, and companies just finished (for the most part) to move to Windows 10. So it really sounds more like a problem for 2030 to me.

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

Haha I remember having to help a school upgrade to Windows 7. Took a year just to get the approval, then another year to get the budget and keys.

Maggoty ,

Yup. Microsoft’s income depends on keeping them on the move.

crypticthree ,

That’s my feeling. I’ve been through this before.

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

Same.

And if it’s like the last four Windows updates, I’ll go right through EoL for a year or two, and finally upgrade because I wanted to play a specific video game, upgrade my graphic card, or it came free with my new PC.

Masamune ,

October 2025 me: what the hell, why didn’t anyone tell me about this before!?!

Plume , to piracy in I'll never understand this kind of mindset.
@Plume@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Damn. Consumerism really rots your brain, doesn’t it.

NetherFalcon ,
@NetherFalcon@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

yuup.

udon , to programmerhumor in the hardest exam question
  1. it’s easy to make fun of
  2. it makes every other programming language look better in comparison
MyFairJulia , to programmerhumor in realistic community chest card
@MyFairJulia@lemmy.world avatar

I prefer the 32 bit signed integer underflow in my favor.

siriusmart OP ,

i remember that runescape meme of 2147M gold, tho ive never played the game before

Rentlar ,

You have to have debt like Donald Trump to be able to hit that.

Bene7rddso ,

Or choose the right currency

nobleshift , to technology in This was the first result on Google
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  • cmnybo ,

    A car battery shouldn’t be discharged at all. They are meant to supply a short burst of power and then be charged back up again.

    A deep cycle lead acid battery can be used to run an inverter. They can be discharged to 50% capacity while still providing hundreds of cycles. If they are used for a backup and are not cycled frequently, they can be discharged to around 80%, but they will provide a lot less cycles.

    A LiFePO4 battery is definitely the better choice for anything that needs to be cycled frequently though.

    John_McMurray ,

    Just wire the inverter to your car battery and run the engine. Hard on gas compared to a 3500 watt generator, but you already have the car, inverters a few hundred bucks, and the genny would be at least 2500 dollars

    cmnybo ,

    An alternator can’t output full power when the engine is idling. You may only get a few hundred watts before the battery starts draining. You can get a generator that will produce much more power than a typical car alternator for under $400.

    John_McMurray , (edited )

    You’re speaking like an alternator is a generator, and doesn’t come in various outputs. Your average larger vehicle can charge itself from near-dead at idle or run a 3500 watt inverter, although I have had the odd small car or motorcycle incapable of either.

    abhibeckert ,

    Sure but in an emergency? They can handle being discharged as long as you don’t go too far.

    Tbird83ii ,

    So if I turn the car battery upside down, a 12v DC battery should run a 120v AC appliance?? Brilliant! I have an idea for how we can use this with two fans to create infinite energy!

    lemmyvore ,

    It will never beat my idea to strap a buttered piece of toast to a cat and make antigravity.

    abhibeckert , (edited )

    An inverter will not let you run your fridge until the battery is “dead”. It’s going to have a low voltage cut off, likely somewhere around 11 Volts, specifically to avoid damaging batteries by fully discharging them.

    How many hours you’ll get from the battery mostly depends on your ambient air temperature and how often you open the fridge. They don’t use that much power when they’re idle - my fridge averages at about 90 watts (I’m not running off grid, but I do have rooftop solar and our system produces pretty charts showing consumption). A large car battery can sustain 90 watts for a quite long time - well over 2 hours. Probably closer to 10.

    Running a fridge off a car battery long term is a bad idea. But in an emergency? Sure I’d totally do that - especially if your “emergency” is genuine such as needing to keep your medication cold. Just don’t open the fridge unless you’re taking your medication.

    LifePo4 FTW!

    Sure. Way better than lead acid. But that doesn’t mean lead acid is useless. When I lived off grid, LifePo4 didn’t exist and we got close ten years (of daily use) out of our lead acid batteries. They were bigger than car batteries and also deep cycle ones, but in an emergency a car battery would be a fine choice if it’s the best one you have.

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  • gazter ,

    I’ll need a source for that claim buddy

    wieson ,

    Actually when I lived off grid for 80 years, we used 7 AAA batteries on a rotation and recharged them by rubbing them on our wool sweaters, so those guys are totally right.

    mob ,

    Wait, so you are saying you have either lived continuously on a 29ft boat for 5 years, or only have visited land by dinghy or something while its anchored?

    Wild. That’s got to be a nasty looking hull though.

    noobnarski ,

    At 11V you are already damaging most lead acid batteries, especially starter batteries.

    If you only do it a few times it will probably take it, but not much more than that.

    nixcamic ,

    I’ve also done the off grid thing and you can get way more than 2 hours on a car battery if the fridge is already cold and you aren’t constantly opening the door. Also have ran modem full sized fridges on 1000w inverters. So YMMV.

    The_Tired_Horizon ,
    @The_Tired_Horizon@lemmy.world avatar

    I run a fridge freezer off a Delta Pro and 600w of solar during the summer. If we get a few days spell of bad weather I have to place it back on mains. Its good to have in an emergency, though it cost me 3 months wages (plus overtime)

    TimeSquirrel , to memes in Come on Barbie lets go Party
    @TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

    By "socialism", are we talking:

    A. Worker-controlled economic system, or

    B. What American liberals think is socialism, which is just a capitalist system with welfare.

    daellat ,

    Aka socdem vs demsoc

    Dasus ,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

    Social democracy is a political, social, and economic philosophy within socialism[1]

    ^[1] Eatwell & Wright 1999, pp. 80–103; Newman 2005, p. 5; Heywood 2007, pp. 101, 134–136, 139; Ypi 2018; Watson 2019.

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    Today I learned that Socialism is when you do Capitalism in a nice way.

    Oh wait, no I didn’t, because Capitalism and Socialism are completely different modes of Production.

    Dasus ,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    No, they’re not.

    They’re economic systems, not modes of production.

    Today, you’re still refusing to accept reality.

    It’s right there before your eyes. You’re too brainwashed to see it.

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    In your own words, they are economic systems. What do you call a system built on Capitalism, but with a slightly larger welfare net? Socialism? No, you call it Capitalism.

    You’re calling me brainwashed for correctly pointing out that Capitalism is Capitalism, even if you dress it up nicely?

    Dasus ,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    “system built on capitalism”

    You still don’t even understand what I mean when I say you’re conflating “capitalism” and market economies.

    You think when people buy and sell things, that’s “capitalism.”

    Is Finland a social democracy? Yes

    And what does this say about what school of thought does social democracies belong to? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

    democracy is a political, social, and economic philosophy within socialism[

    "wää wää wää no it’s not socialism, it’s capitalism, but I refuse to believe it and I don’t have to explain myself"

    • you

    Please define socialism for me.

    Because this an official definition

    a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or REGULATED BY the community as a whole. “we want a real democratic and pluralist left party—one which unites all those who believe in socialism”

    Even the US has socialist policies, because “pure” capitalism is completely unworkable, because it kills the economy stone dead

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    Believe me, I’m not conflating Capitalism with markets. Capitalism is a specific form of market economy by which individual Capitalists buy and sell Means of Production, or Capital, by which they can pay Workers to use and create commodities via wage labor.

    Examples of Socialist market economies include Market Socialism, a form of Socialism built on competing worker-owned co-operatives.

    Examples of Socialist Market Economies do not include Capitalist Social Democracies, because the primary defining feature of Social Democracies is Capitalism with generous social safety nets, a kind of “human-centric” Capitalism.

    You on the other hand are making the misconception that Socialism is simply when the government does stuff. You’re wrong, of course, as countless people here have pointed put.

    Capitalism with regulation is still Capitalism. Socialism is when Workers share ownership of the Means of Production, simple as.

    Dasus ,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    Examples of Socialist market economies include Market Socialism, a form of Socialism built on competing worker-owned co-operatives.

    Honestly. Like seriously honestly adult adult honestly. Why the fuck do you not bother to spend 30 seconds checking concepts you have no idea about, and instead pull shit out of your arse?

    Market socialism isn’t defined by worker cooperatives, it’s defined by socialism which utilises market economy. Like the socialist democracies of the Nordic countries.

    You can’t even define capitalism, yet demand everyone is utilising it.

    If a country doesn’t have a planned economy, you won’t admit it’s not capitalist. Which is so dumb I can’t even find the words to describe it.

    “Capitalist social democracies”

    So just refusing reality, huh?

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

    democracy is a political, social, and economic philosophy within socialism

    SOCIALISM

    How hard is this for you to understand?

    SOCIALISM

    not “withing capitalism”

    Capitalism with regulation is still Capitalism. Socialism is when Workers share ownership of the Means of Production, simple as.

    No, it simply isn’t. That’s like saying “you’re not gay as long as you don’t penetrate another mans anus, sexual attraction to men has nothing to do with being homosexual”.

    The simple definition of socialism is when the means of production are owned OR REGULATED BY the government.

    Which part of “OR REGULATED” do you not understand?

    This is exactly what I meant with my first comments. Delusional fuckers like you, pretending all market economy is capitalism. Even the US doesn’t have “pure” capitalism, as the antitrust laws are by definition socialist policies.

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    I did define Capitalism, it’s a market based system by which Capitalists buy and sell Capital and Pay Workers wages to produce commodities.

    Please read any Socialist literature, you’ve gotten completely twisted into thinking Socialism is a nice form of Capitalism.

    Dasus ,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    I did define Capitalism, it’s a market based system by which Capitalists buy and sell Capital and Pay Workers wages to produce commodities.

    I honestly almost suffocated. I laughed so hard I could barely breath, exactly like Risitas.

    You seriously think you’ve “defined capitalism”? And to think you’re doing it in the exact way that shows I’m correct in that you’ve conflated capitalism with market economies? :DDD I can’t fucking believe this.

    I’d like to keep pointing out how ridiculous this is, but I think you’re like a 14-year old yank or something and I don’t want to be that mean to kids.

    Capitalism is defined by private ownership of industries and especially FOR PROFIT. (In case you were unaware, that’s what the “capital” in “capitalism” means.) FOR PROFIT*. That’s the main thing. Putting profit above everything, and being owned privately. The definition has nothing to do with “trading commodities and paying workers”. I… honestly I’m just slightly in loss of words at your stupidity.

    Here in Finland our railroads aren’t private. Hell, there’s not even one single privately owned liquor store in the country. We still use market economies. Which means you are allowed to sell your time to an employer who has a private business, in exchange for money. Unlike the US though, we don’t even have a minimum wage set in the law. Why? Because our trade unions are so strong that there is a de facto minimum wage in all industries, so a de jure one isn’t even needed.

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    Capital does not mean “for profit,” Capital refers to the Means of Production. Market based economies driven by profit predate Capitalism, which is only a few hundred years old. If you’d read Capital, you would have known that.

    Railroads being government owned and operated is an example of Socialism! Hooray, you did it! But that’s just one part.

    Market economies are not when you sell your time to an employer. That’s wage labor. Market economies involve competing entities, and can take the form of mercantilism, Market Socialism, Capitalism, and many other forms of Market. What you describe is just Capitalism though, haha.

    So if you lack a minimum wage, then I guess you’re admitting that you think the fact that the US has one makes it Socialist? Is whether or not something is Socialist just vibes to you?

    You’re one of the most incoherent right-wingers I’ve encountered, I’ll tell you that much.

    Dasus ,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    You still can’t give a simple definition of capitalism. You simply don’t even understand what the word means.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

    Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.

    FOR PROFIT

    PROFIT

    How is that hard for you to understand?

    I love how you keep pretending you’ve read Das Kapital. “But markets existed before Marx!”

    Yes. They did. And what exactly happened that made Marx assert that that era had been different from the era he was living in? The industrial revolution, which made it possible for people looking to profit to actually build such huge profits that they could grow their capitalist enterprises and keep growing them by exploiting the proletariat. Anyone who’s even read the Wikipedia article on Marx would know that ROFL. (I’m enjoying myself immensely, thank you.)

    Before the industrial revolution, there was a different balance in the world. Lowly people just wanting to be rich simply had no opportunity to do that. After the industrial revolution, those people could become so rich, they rivaled the nobility, which is why we consider it the end of feudalism and the beginning of capitalism, AS MARX WRITES. Weird how much you’ve missed of the book you’ve definitely read, huh?

    Greed existed before the industrial revolution, markets existed before the industrial revolution, and even government economies existed before it. But there wasn’t a way for those greedy fuckers to exploit people on a massive scale. With the industrial revolution, that way was shown to them. That’s what Marx’s whole book is about.

    I’d say “nice try”, but it really, really wasn’t a nice try. Downright pathetic, in fact. :(

    So if you lack a minimum wage, then I guess you’re admitting that you think the fact that the US has one makes it Socialist? Is whether or not something is Socialist just vibes to you?

    We don’t lack a minimum wage, just like I said. We don’t have one in law. You don’t understand what “de jure” and “de facto” mean? :D This keeps getting better. Here, let papa explain. The trade unions prevent anyone from hiring someone without utilising the rules the trade union has set. This means that despite Finland’s government not having a law which regulates minimum law, no Finn can work anywhere without having a set minimum wage. That minimum wage just doesn’t come from the law. This really shouldn’t be that hard to understand.

    Edit oh and “rightwinger”? What fucking logic are you using? :DDDDDD Please, send me what you’re smoking, I’m begging you :DDDD

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    I did give a simple definition of Capitalism, it’s a Mode of Production by which Capitalists buy and sell Capital that they pay workers Wages to use to create commodities. Commodities, by definition, are goods and services produced for sale, ie for profit.

    I genuinely thought you at least knew what a commodity was, but given that you think I was ignoring profit when speaking about commodities, a concept tied fundamentally to the concept of profit, I can take that to mean that you truly haven’t read Marx, as one of the earliest chapters in Capital Volume I goes over the definition of Commodities.

    I know about the Industrial revolution, and I similarly know that just as Feudalism gave way to Capitalism, so too should Capitalism give way to Socialism, and Socialism to Communism. I am not sure why you are pretending I do not know that, the Proletariat and the Bourgeoisie teamed up to overthrow the aristocracy in most monarchies, which is why it’s stated that feudalism gave way to Capitalism in the first place. Class conflict and the analysis of such is the foundation of Marxism.

    That entire set of paragraphs was you just vomiting on your keyboard about stuff I already know and made no indication of not knowing, which is honestly goofy.

    Believe me, I know what de jure and de facto are. Not having a minimum wage coded in law by the government would, in your own definition, mean that it is more Capitalistic than it is Socialist, because Socialism is regulation to you. This does not help your point. Like I said, it would be nice if the Nordic Countries actually became Socialist and the Unions took ownership and control of the Means of Production, instead of leaving them in the hands of Capitalists.

    You are a right winger, because you support Capitalist ownership of the Means of Production. Until you shed that and support worker ownership, at best you will always be a center-right Social Democrat.

    Dasus , (edited )
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    I did give a simple definition of Capitalism

    No, you didn’t. You wrote a sentence of vague gibberish, without any sources to back it up, despite just a few comments ago criticising Wikipedia as a bad source. Childish and utterly ridiculous.

    for sale, ie for profit.

    Selling something doesn’t mean you profit. If you buy 10 eggs for 10 dollars and sell those eggs for 10 dollars, how much profit did you make? Was there a trading of commodities? Yes, there was. Was there profit? No, there wasn’t.

    It’s things like that which show you’ve not read Marx (or hardly anything, at all, actually), which is why I’m gonna quit this conversation after this comment; you’re a lying, pretentious pseudointellectual who refuses to argue this in good faith and can’t link a single source to back himself up.

    You talk of communism as it’s not within socialism. Again. And you don’t understand how ridiculous that is. “For food, we have sandwiches, chips, spaghetti, and pasta.” is equally ridiculous a sentence as “Feudalism gave way to Capitalism, so too should Capitalism give way to Socialism, and Socialism to Communism”

    Again, repeating the “believe me”. If you look at how often you utilise it in your comments and pay attention to it, you might become a better liar.

    Not having a minimum wage coded in law by the government would, in your own definition, mean that it is more Capitalistic than it is Socialist, because Socialism is regulation to you.

    Again showing your ignorance. The dictionary definition of socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

    Do you think the trade unions are NOT a part of the “community as a whole”? (That’s a rhetoric question, as I said I’m quitting this, as you are quite funny, but after I’ve had a laugh or two, I start pitying the fact that people like you exist. You clearly aren’t ready to learn anything, keep lying and avoiding addressing your gibberish.)

    You are a right winger, because you support Capitalist ownership of the Means of Production.

    Oh I do? Wow, your logic is quite as impeccable as it has been the entire conversation. Please, do provide your reasoning for this. I’ would love to be able to show it to people

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    What exactly is vague gibberish? Which part didn’t make sense to you?

    Yes, you can sell something and not make a profit, but the goal of commodity production is profit, not equal output from input. The Capitalist has no reason to pay people just to break even, the goal is profit, and as economies are measured as aggregates, that is the purpose of commodity production.

    Communism is a post-Socialist form of economy. Socialism is defined as Worker Ownership of the Means of Production, while Communism is a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society.

    Trade unions are a good thing, but not Socialism. Socialism requires ownership. Unions help offset some of the issues of Capitalism, yes, but until you get rid of the Capitalists, it’s still Capitalism.

    Yes, you’re a right winger, because you are supporting Social Democracy as a framework. Social Democracy is Capitalism with expanded social safety nets, there are still Capitalists, still Capitalism, and very little worker ownership, but it certainly sounds nicer than what the US has!

    TokenBoomer ,
    exocrinous ,

    In practice, social democracy takes a form of socially managed welfare capitalism

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    A.

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    OP is definitely in camp B…

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    Why? OP clearly states “worker controlled systems,” it’s not difficult to see what they’re talking about.

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Neolibs are very easy to spot, comrade.

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    I agree, but nothing in this post is calling for deregulation and privatization, rather the opposite.

    Dasus ,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    Worker-controlled economic system

    “Worker-controlled” isn’t a requirement.

    Socialism is wheb and the government owns or regulates the means of production.

    Which brings me to your “B”.

    No, we Nordics aren’t “capitalist systems with strong welfare policies”.

    We’re socialist nations with strong market economies. Market economies =/= capitalism.

    We have stronger regulation of the means of production. We’re also social-democrats which is a school within socialism.*

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    Nope.

    Socialism is Worker Ownership of the Means of Production.

    The Nordic Countries are in fact Social Democracies, not Socialist Democracies. Social Democracy is Capitalist in nature.

    Dasus ,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    Wrong wrong and wrong.

    Honestly, why won’t you do 30s of Googling to check what you’re saying?

    Communism is when the state owns the economy and you have a planned economy.

    Socialism is the ownership OR regulation of the means of production.

    Yes. We are social democracies.

    But no, social democracies aren’t capitalist, dingdong. Let’s look at the very first sentence here:

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

    democracy is a political, social, and economic philosophy within socialism[1]

    SOCIALISM

    You’re just conflating market economies and capitalism, like I already explained

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    Your greatest source is misinterpreting a line in Wikipedia? You think that means your Capitalism is actually Socialism despite relying on Capitalism, because the welfare net is larger? Lmao

    Dasus ,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    “I refuse to look or acknowledge any data on the subject, so I’m correct”

    Is the little kiddo having to backpedal and ignore the facts because he made a bit of a boo-boo in his rhetoric?

    Please do elaborate on how I misunderstood something such as: “Social democracy is a political, social, and economic philosophy within socialism” to mean what it says. Im sure you’ve a really good reasoning on how it ACTUALLY means that “social democracy is a political, social, and economic philosophy within capitalism”

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    Your data is Wikipedia. That’s it. Read perhaps any Socialist literature and you’re immediately debunked.

    If Social Democracy was truly under Socialism, then the Workers of your country would own the Means of Production.

    A more accurate reading of what you are claiming is that Social Democracy takes influence from Marxism while rejecting the conclusions and thus the necessity for Socialism, instead relying on Capitalism.

    Tell me, plainly, how you can have Socialism with Capitalists and Capitalism. Or, does Nestlé not exist in the Nordic Countries?

    Dasus ,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    “yOuR dAtA iS wIkIPeDiA”

    No, it isn’t.

    Here’s my source: Eatwell & Wright 1999, pp. 80–103; Newman 2005, p. 5; Heywood 2007, pp. 101, 134–136, 139; Ypi 2018; Watson 2019.

    Want to go and read those books? No? I’m schocked.

    The information from those books is listed on Wikipedia, yes. Are you so childish that you’ll now pretend “you can’t find real information on wikipedia”?

    Weirdly enough, you don’t have ANY sources for the things you pull out of your arse. Almost as if you didn’t know what you were talking about and didn’t HAVE any sources for your faulty claims, because like I said, you’ve conflated market economies and capitalism and think socialism equals communism, because you don’t understand communism is just one form of socialism.

    “How can you have socialism with capitalism”

    Since I’ve already explained you keep conflating “capitalism” with “market economies”, the question is then translated into “tell me, plainly, how can you have socialism and market economies”, for which the answer is really quite simple for anyone literate. However, since you also conflate “socialism” with “communism”, then the question becomes “how can you have communism with market economies”, to which the answer is “you can’t, since communism relies on planned economies instead of market economies”.

    That’s where your confusion comes from.

    Due to our good regulations because of our social demoractic, well governed economies, capitalist companies can participate, but they can’t do the shenanigans they can do in less regulated markets. The degree of regulation is the question. Even the US doesn’t have “pure” capitalism. Things like the antitrust laws are by definition socialist policies, but this doesn’t mean the US is socialist in any way. It just means even they understand the necessity of regulation over “pure” capitalism, because “pure” capitalism is unsustainable as it leads to monopolies which then kill the economy.

    This is why for example I can actually drink my tapwater and eat raw eggs that don’t even have to be refrigerated. This is why the quality of all products here is higher, and why it’s more expensive for companies like Nestle to try their bullshit here, which is why they mostly aim for developing countries. To avoid the regulation that comes with properly functioning social democracy.

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    If Socialism is Capitalism with more regulations, is the United States Socialist too? It has plenty of regulations, more than Social Democracies do in many areas, in fact. Are you going to tell me that every country is actually Socialist if it doesn’t have a laissez Faire Capitalist economy, even if it uses Capitalism as the primary mode of production?

    You want a source? Marx’s Capital. Read it, you might learn something, even if accidentally.

    Social Democracy absolutely takes influence from Marxism, that’s perhaps what the source you list may be referring to, however the place where Social Democrats fight with Socialists on is Social Democrats believe Capitalism can be harnessed and benefited from, instead of needing to transition to a worker owned economy.

    I am not confusing Capitalism with markets, again, Wikipedia defines Market Socialism as a market based economy of competing worker-owned entities. Your own source, against you! Ha.

    Similarly, I am not confusing Socialism with Communism. Communism is a Post-Socialist society, one that is Stateless, Classless, and Moneyless. Communism is indeed one form of Socialism, as is Syndicalism, as is Anarchism, as is Council Communism, as is Market Socialism.

    Please, stop making a fool of yourself.

    Dasus ,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    If Socialism is Capitalism with more regulations, is the United States Socialist too?

    Not a bad question, if you’re honestly looking for conversation, but I get a feeling you’re trying a “gotcha” more than asking in good faith.

    It’s more or less like sexuality; a spectrum more than anything black-and-white, even when people usually speak of it as either or (or “a mix of” = bi).

    “Pure” capitalism doesn’t exist anywhere. It’s never even been tried as much as communism. Well, not in a developed, civilized world. What I mean by that is by the time that any sort of currency has become a thing, there’s also been regulation, even if not written. “Pure” capitalism would mean large, completely unregulated markets. There’s just no such thing, nor ever has been. Because capitalism is by it’s nature self-defeating. The competition which puts profit over anything means that the one who profits most, by any means necessary, will win and get to establish a monopoly that will then dry the market completely out.

    Which is why the US, despite being so obviously politically and economically (having such few regulations and worker protections for a supposedly developed nation) capitalist, has things like a minimum wage (more or less) and antritrust laws. Because they help keep the capitalism from eating itself to death.

    You want a source? Marx’s Capital. Read it, you might learn something, even if accidentally.

    Nice try, but you haven’t, that’s quite obvious.

    Also, laissez-faire is essentially “without intervention”, when we all know that companies wield just a megaton of political power in the US and interfere in politics constantly, in order to keep free of regulation.

    “Takes influence from Marxism”

    And which economic school of thought hasn’t been influenced by Marx in some way or another? Since you say you’ve read “Das Kapital”, you obviously didn’t forget who came up with the term “capitalism”? Wouldn’t — arguably — taking a name for your school of thought be counted as “being influenced by”? (No, I’m not being serious, I’m doing the same sort of gotcha-shit you did in to showcase you how silly it is.)

    I’m still waiting on you to elaborate on how I “misunderstood” this sentence:

    Social democracy is a political, social, and economic philosophy within socialism" (sourced from Eatwell & Wright 1999, pp. 80–103; Newman 2005, p. 5; Heywood 2007, pp. 101, 134–136, 139; Ypi 2018; Watson 2019.)

    Or you know, for you to source any of your hilarious bullshit

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    Oh, believe me, it’s a good-faith gotcha. Anyone who thinks one of the most Capitalist countries on the planet is Socialist has no idea what they are talking about.

    I am well-aware of the concept of mixed economies. As an example, a truly centrist economy would have 50% of industry owned and controlled by workers, and the other 50% would be owned and controlled by Capitalists. Social Democracies lean heavily in the side of Capitalists and as such are Capitalist.

    Capitalism is indeed self-defeating, that’s why the Nordic Countries are seeing steady rises in disparity and sliding of Worker protections, held largely at bay by strong unions. My hope is that one day the Nordic unions will take control and ownership of industry a la Syndicalism and finally become a group of actual Socialist countries.

    Yes, the US has regulations. These do not make it more Socialist, rather, these regulations are often bought and paid for by large Corporations to cement their power as Capitalists.

    What part of my analysis makes it so “obvious” to you that I haven’t read Capital, despite everything I have stated thus far being in line with it, and everything you’ve stated being firmly against it?

    Fair enough, many fields have been influenced by Marxism, but what I’m specifically stating is that Social Democrats agree with initial marxian analysis and see that there is benefit for working class power, but disagree with his conclusions, and thus prefer to direct Capitalism to benefit workers.

    I have already explained how you’ve misinterpreted that same sentence multiple times: Social Democracy seeks to directly existing liberal Capitalist frameworks for the benefit of all, while maintaining existing power structures and hierarchies.

    Explain to me exactly why you think Socialism is polite Capitalism. You keep thinking Socialism is mere government regulation, when it is in fact worker ownership. You cannot have Socialism with Capitalists, if you still have a business owner but the business is regulated, it’s still Capitalist!

    You’re extremely incoherent for a right-winger, even by right-winger standards.

    Dasus ,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    You keep repeating “oh believe me”. You know why people like you say that? Do you know how liers also stress “I’m telling the truth”? Yeah, so… :)

    No-one was talking about “mixed economies”. Learn to read.

    that’s why the Nordic Countries are seeing steady rises in disparity and sliding of Worker protections,

    None of that is remotely true. The laws keep improving all the time. I honestly don’t understand the need of people like you to literally make up things to pretend like you understand a thing? Just don’t reply. If you write less, people won’t be able to see what a moron you are.

    these regulations are often bought and paid for by large Corporations to cement their power as Capitalists.

    What the fuck are you smoking? “Yeah capitalist companies actually enjoy good regulations”

    Social Democracy seeks to directly existing liberal Capitalist frameworks for the benefit of all, while maintaining existing power structures and hierarchies.

    Call an ambulance, you’re having a stroke. That is meaningless drivel that in no way argues against the fact that social democracy is SOCIALIST as established by Eatwell & Wright 1999, pp. 80–103; Newman 2005, p. 5; Heywood 2007, pp. 101, 134–136, 139; Ypi 2018; Watson 2019.

    no matter how much you cry and stomp your foot, you’re just a teenager equivocating, without any understanding of this. This shctick is getting old. It was entertaining for a while.

    You’ve not provided a single source. Because there aren’t any, becuse you’re a teenager who keeps pretending he undestands something

    you still have a business owner but the business is regulated, it’s still Capitalist!

    TLDR “if private property exists it’s not communism”

    Stomp your foot all you want kid. The truth doesn’t care.

    Social democracy is a political, social, and economic philosophy within socialism Social democracy is a political, social, and economic philosophy within socialism Social democracy is a political, social, and economic philosophy within socialism Social democracy is a political, social, and economic philosophy within socialism Social democracy is a political, social, and economic philosophy within socialism Social democracy is a political, social, and economic philosophy within socialism Social democracy is a political, social, and economic philosophy within socialism Social democracy is a political, social, and economic philosophy within socialism Social democracy is a political, social, and economic philosophy within socialism Social democracy is a political, social, and economic philosophy within socialism

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy#cite_note-…

    You don’t have a single source

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    I have been saying “oh believe me” because nothing you have stated is new to me, other than your lack of understanding of the difference between Socialism, Capitalism, and markets in general.

    Here’s a source on rising disparity: norden.org/…/increasing-income-inequality-nordics

    And another: www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/…/fulltext

    And yet another: academic.oup.com/book/39667/…/339652441?redirecte…

    Happy?

    Yes, Capitalist companies tend to love regulations, because they protect monopoly power. An example is Disney with IP protections, they seek to maintain absolute control over their aging IP and have lobbied the government to keep their power entrenched. Another example is tax filing companies like H&R block making the tax process incredibly inefficient and difficult for the average American, just so they can sell more of their services.

    Please, elaborate on your Eatwell & Wright source. Why do they call Social Democracy Socialist if it is built on Capitalist frameworks, with individual business owners rather than the economy being owned and controlled by the workers?

    You cannot have individual owners of the Means of Production in a Socialist economy. Simple as.

    It’s also really funny that you say I’m having a stroke as you reenact the REDRUM scene from the shining, lmao. Get help.

    Dasus ,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    So you criticise Wikipedia as a source, and then when I keep asking you for sources for your arguments, you link three different articles about how income inequality is slightly higher in the recent years, and think it proves…? What? That your gibberish about political philosophy makes sense?

    I’m having a hard time breathing, my eyes are watering. I really suggest you learn to check a thing or two on Google before opening your mouth :DDDDD

    Yes, Capitalist companies tend to love regulations, because they protect monopoly power.

    “Companies like regulations”

    No, companies like laws which favour them. They don’t like “regulations”, they like PROFIT. ANYTHING that increases their profit is something they like. That’s the base of CAPITALISM, dipshit.

    Pease, elaborate on your Eatwell & Wright source

    It’s right there in the pages, you’re welcome to check it out yourself. Or, if you don’t feel like it, make an argument against it?

    You cannot have individual owners of the Means of Production in a Socialist economy. Simple as.

    Because you say so. When no-one agrees with your inane 70’s red scare logic.

    “wyaa wyaa if it’s not full blown communism it’s not socialism but if even one thing is traded between two people it’s capitalism”

    Go and read a dictionary, kiddo.

    Cowbee , (edited )
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    It proves that disparity is rising in Capitalist Social Democracies, like I said. Simple.

    Companies like regulations that help them make profits, yes. No need to sling insults.

    I’m not paying to read a source that you refuse to actually reference in any meaningful capacity outside of an appeal to authority, when I already know what Marx, Engels, Lenin, Kropotkin, Bakunin, Luxembourg, and so forth are talking about when they speak of and define Socialism, not the revisionist Capitalism that is Social Democracy.

    Why is it “red-scare” logic when it’s written by Marx and all Marxists to come after him? That’s just Marxist logic!

    2 people can trade things and it need not be Capitalism, you can have 2 worker co-operatives trade commodities and it’s Market Socialism. Simple.

    No need to throw slurs at me, but it’s fitting for a right-winger to turn to those when they fail to use logic.

    Edit: Credit where credit is due, you did in fact change from using a slur to using a more tame insult once I called you out, so at least you’ve got that going for you.

    HappyRedditRefugee ,

    Man,

    You are amazing. I wouln’t have had the patience to have that conversation.

    Thank you for explaining people… well… Reality.

    Just a bit of an off topic point:

    I belive the use of “socialism” that the other comenter has is am apropiation or integration of socialisim into the kyriarchy. Defusing and making solcialism anti-revolutionary, taking away what it makes it dangerous and leaving a shell of it self.

    Socialism is not anymore the controll of the means of production by the workers (simplify definition) but capitalism where they controlling group give you a bit of assurance and you have to thank them for it.

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    Thanks! I just take combating bourgeois nonsense seriously when I see it.

    You’re correct, by adopting good, common sense social safety nets as “socialism,” Socialism becomes defanged. “We already have Socialism, why do you want any more?” Can become a cry against the Proletariat.

    TimeSquirrel ,
    @TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

    There are specific definitions and I'm sticking to them. If your economy has capitalists controlling companies with workers trading their labor for a wage underneath them, then it is capitalist, full stop.

    Unless your economy is full of co-ops or something. I don't know the common typical structure for a nordic company.

    Dasus ,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    You haven’t even read a single “basic definition” my man.

    Here’s one :

    Socialism

    Dictionary

    Definitions from Oxford Languages

    socialism

    noun a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned OR REGULATED by the community as a whole.

    If your economy has capitalists controlling companies with workers trading their labor for a wage underneath them, then it is capitalist, full stop.

    Youre refusing (or unable, lol) to understand that “capitalism” does not equal market economies.

    Selling things doesn’t mean capitalism. Trading goods doesn’t mean capitalism. Owning a company doesn’t mean capitalism. Having companies with workers doesn’t mean capitalism.

    Jesus fucking God I’m tired of explaining concepts that my 8 year old niece could google and learn by her self in five minutes

    “unless you have a planned economy you’re not socialist”

    Yeah, exactly the point I’m making. Brainwashed morons think socialism means full planked economy, when it’s no such thing.

    Fucking spend 2 min on Google, is it so much to ask?

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_socialism

    Fucking perpetuating shitty 70’s red scare propaganda mf sides are hurting.

    TimeSquirrel ,
    @TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

    I said nothing about a planned economy, now you're putting words in my mouth.

    Ever hear of libertarian socialism?

    Edit: I get the feeling we are talking about the same thing using different terms...

    Dasus ,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    “I never said anything about a planned ecnoomy”

    Unless your economy is full of co-ops or something. I don’t know the common typical structure for a nordic company.

    You’re really pretending that talkign about cooperatives isn’t referring to communism? What are you, 12?

    And what, you think co-ops didn’t have hierarchies?

    What the fuck are you smoking, because I want to be equally fucked up.

    TimeSquirrel ,
    @TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

    If you're going to continue to insult me and gaslight me, we are done here. Have a good day.

    Dasus ,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    How am I “gaslighting” you?

    You literally said “Unless your economy is full of co-ops or something [it’s not socialist]”.

    You’re referring to the collectives of the Soviet union. A distinct feature of PLANNED ECONOMIES.

    “I never anything about a planned economy.”

    Yes, you did. And now you’re pretending you didn’t. Like pretending reality isn’t what it actually is. Trying to convince me something that happened didn’t happen. Is there a word for behaving like that…?

    TimeSquirrel , (edited )
    @TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

    Why do you think a co-op can only ever possibly exist in an authoritarian soviet type system? My power company is a co-op.

    Here, I'll help you:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative

    Nothing in there except a tiny blurb about the Soviet Union as far as I can see. A soviet "worker's council" is not a cooperative.

    Dasus ,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    And where exactly do you live? Is it a socialist state, then?

    Don’t pretend like you weren’t implying Soviet style collectives.

    TimeSquirrel ,
    @TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

    Don’t pretend like you weren’t implying Soviet style collectives.

    Why do you believe this? I'm a fuckin' anarchist for christ sake. I already mentioned libertarian socialism once.

    Dasus ,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    Your personal politics doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that you think “It’s only socialism if X” which you pull out of your arse.

    bouh ,

    How is fascism in your country btw? Seems that capitalism has it fine to me.

    someguy3 ,

    Either.

    DeepGradientAscent ,
    @DeepGradientAscent@programming.dev avatar

    I would choose A with democratically regulated markets and complete co-op style ownership of the company.

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