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superfly_samurai , to asklemmy in What is the biggest lesson that employment has taught you?
@superfly_samurai@lemmy.one avatar

There’s no such thing as quiet quitting. I prefer acting your wage.

speaker_hat ,

Explanation please? Not a native speaker here…

Resonosity ,

There was a phenomenon in the US labor market during 2022/2023 called “quiet quitting” where laborers across the market realized that companies weren’t paying wages adequately or to a level that reflected the kind of work laborers would perform.

It was thought that companies paid their workers short of what the workers are owed, and in response to that, a large number of people, many trending young, started behaving according to those wages.

This often meant reducing work speed or efficiency, reducing communication, etc. Laborers would claim that they were doing the bare minimum to match their wage compensation.

The other side of this is that the US labor market at that time favored laborers over companies. Workers had more leverage about getting job offers and negotiating terms than companies had, partly due to a rebound from COVID.

This meant that there wasn’t as much of an anxiety of workers being fired from their position since they would find it easy to get another job. So people did look for other jobs, often while working, to see if they might improve their circumstances and land a job that pays better.

The “quiet” part was about sliding back on performance or even job tasks themselves, and the “quitting” part was about workers possibly leaving companies for other offers.

I might have conflated The Great Resignation with this, but both phenomena affect the other.

speaker_hat ,

If someone is paid three times the average salary of his county, acting his wage would be actually working his ass off?

Resonosity ,

It all depends on the cost of living relative to the wages accrued. Often wages haven’t kept up with the cost of living, so people feel more and more that the deal with their employers gets worse and worse. Someone earning 200k/year might be living the same as someone working 60k/year depending on where those people live

Now, there is something to be said about why cost of living should vary from place to place. Part of it is scarcity of habitation: if there aren’t very many available flats or lots, there might be fierce competition for people to fill what flats or lots do become available. Supply and demand.

Other aspects might be debt accrued by businesses that they pass on to their customers, externalities like wars or laws, etc.

I also want to point out that a lot of people associate more wealth with more consumption, so you might see people rise to spend all of the new resources they accumulate rather than securitizing and saving that wealth for unforeseen events. Lots of people consume at terribly non-sustainable rates, and there should be conversations about what effects behaviors can have on the world, outside of the economy.

speaker_hat ,

Thanks!

lord_ryvan ,

You speak funny words, magic man

Egon ,
@Egon@hexbear.net avatar

“Quiet quitting” is a term made up my small business tyrants in the United States to describe workers doing their job as it is described on the contract, and not going “above and beyond”. They somehow believe they’re owed more than they pay for.

Luvs2Spuj ,

I might have to use that in my next all hands

Lettuceeatlettuce , to asklemmy in What is the biggest lesson that employment has taught you?
@Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

The company doesn’t care about you. The company doesn’t care about you. The company doesn’t care about you.

XEAL ,

Not even if you do valuable or efficent stuff for the company. You’re disposable.

Lettuceeatlettuce ,
@Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

The company is always on the lookout for ways to replace you with somebody who will do more for less.

And in the meantime, they will squeeze you for every drop of effort they think they can get away with.

Chapo0114 ,
@Chapo0114@hexbear.net avatar

Or less for less. I know a woman who is a manager of a dialysis clinic, as soon as she was making over 100k she started getting pushback from higher ups, having more oversight, and having her funds for extra services to patients / staff cut. It’s clear they want her out even though she has the lowest mortality in the region, because they don’t need more than beds filled (Medicaid pays) and legally required minimums to be met.

usernamesaredifficul ,

also you might not be replaceable but your manager might be an idiot

ME5SENGER_24 ,

My uncle spent years preaching to me about the need to be loyal to a company. I never drank the Kool-Aid. He spent 21 years working for an investment banking company in their IT department. 4 years before he was set to retire with a full pension, etc. his company was acquired by a larger bank. He lost everything except his 401k. He then spent the next 12 years working to get his time back so he’d be able to retire. He died 2 years ago and the company sent a bouquet of flowers.

THE COMPANY DOESN’T CARE ABOUT YOU!!

Aux ,

How do you lose a pension? It doesn’t matter where you work or if a company gets bought.

ME5SENGER_24 ,

So the way he explained it to me was that essentially when the company was purchased all your accruals were reset and the pension was tied to years of service, which he hadn’t reached yet, then with the merger you were essentially a new employee. There was also a lot tied to retirement plans linked to corporate stocks that were basically useless after they merged. Either way, beyond working for the same company forever, his eggs were (mostly) in one basket.

Idontreallyknow ,

Yet another reason to be glad to live in the EU:

TUPE Regulations

Basically, “any employee’s contract of employment will be transferred automatically on the same terms as before in the event of a transfer of the undertaking. This means that if an employer changes control of the business, the new employer cannot reduce the employees’ terms and conditions”

This regulation and strong unions are the backbone of job security in the EU.

polskilumalo ,
@polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml avatar
HiddenLayer5 ,

The company cares about you in the same way a beef farmer cares about his cattle.

lord_ryvan ,

No, they don’t care that much

Lucidlethargy ,

The people on the top of the company don’t care, either… Even if it seems like the really like you alot.

ininewcrow ,
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

They refer to you as … HUMAN RESOURCES

You aren’t a person, you are an instrument the company uses to make more money for itself. If you die or can no longer work, you will be replaced by another human resource.

Skaryon ,

I had a prof twisting himself into knots trying to argue that human resources really is a positive term because companies care about and maintain their resources

umbrella , to memes in Jacque Fresco
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

Well yeah, people in the current society do need money.

taanegl ,

Well if you don’t like money, why do you need it so much?! /s

over_clox , (edited )

No no, that’s a farse and a uniquely human construct. Name me even one other species of creature that utilizes anything even remotely similar to money to survive…

We don’t need money to survive, we just submit ourselves to the government that orders us to use it.

Edit: I guess the downvoters don’t understand any other way of life, like owning a piece of dirt you can live on and grow your own farm and survive self sufficiently…

And yeah it sucks, I’m not in a self sufficient area myself anymore, because government and corporations have taken that from most of us.

Gotta pay mortgage, land tax, rent, electric, water, sewer, internet, phone, etc…

Somehow the rest of the creatures survive without money.

Viatorem ,

If I vow to never come within 2 feet of money ever again I’ll die within 2 months

over_clox ,

Point is, if money didn’t exist in the first place, we wouldn’t literally have to pay for a box and piece of dirt to sleep on.

That’s basically the original scam, charging people to have somewhere to sleep. Like, doesn’t the Earth belong to all of us? Why do we live in a society where not only do you have to pay for facilities, you can’t even grow your own garden in said facilities?

We’re literally paying to get screwed. Everyone should have the right to find themselves a piece of dirt and go build themselves a log cabin and a farm if they so choose.

Again, humans are totally capable of being self sufficient, we’re just too fucking lazy and oppressed by big business and government to do anything about it.

dontcarebear ,

Money is a technological tool. It represents value of either commodities, services or work.

If it were to be used in its original form, it would be fine, but people have been complaining about manipulation since the bible (old testament).

So money isn’t to blame, it is (TADA!) people that are at fault.

Gxost ,

Other species don’t need clean water, clothes, complex tools and growing food. This makes their life simpler yet limits their number and habitat.

Try to live in a village growing own food. It’s a hard work, especially if you have cattles or other domestic animals. Villagers work from early morning to evening because there’s a lot things to do. Living in a city is much easier.

DrRatso ,

Is it not true though that this is seasonal and overall people that live this way work less than the average person living a modern life?

It is not like you get home from work and have no chores etc. Realistically a lot of the work these people do is something that a person with a house would call chores / upkeep.

RoyalEngineering ,

Are you trolling?

If you’re not trolling, I would point out that modern (knowledge) workers work a lot, sure. But harder or more than farmers and laborers? No way.

DrRatso ,

I don’t deny that the labour is physically harder, I’ve worked in my life retail, office and landscaping, I know that physical labour is tough. Though hard overall is subjective, I undoubtedly hated and found most every other job harder than my stint of about a year in landscaping, which was physically very taxing. The landscaping gig might have been the favorite job I’ve ever had.

But, no, I am not talking about people who work as farmers / labourers commercially, but instead the question is mostly about self sustained homestead / village living.

Growing uo I had small scale farmers in my family and had a countryside house where I knew a lot of the beighbours who lived there full time. Generally they seemed to have a couple of bursts of work during a day but most of the day was slowly and steadily attending to one or another chore / upkeep task

I would vager people living this way actually work far less hours in a given year than a person living a modern capitalist life, especially if you factor upkeep you have to do for your house after work etc, even if we assume a 40 hour work week, which lets face it, the average person probably exceeds (64 hours for me, personally).

jasondj ,

He’s not trolling, but my guess is he read Sapiens and that’s his current gospel.

Valmond ,

Animals don’t need it!

Sure, but they also get eaten and die of tooth-rot.

over_clox ,

People die of tooth rot while sitting in the emergency room, and even apply to be eaten, so what’s ya point?

Valmond ,

Someone wants to be eaten= eVeRy One MusT bE eAtEn!!1!

null ,

How do I do that in our current society?

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

I’d love that actually. But I guess we will have to build that society for ourselves, and our overlords will probably be violent about it if we try.

Vampire , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old
@Vampire@hexbear.net avatar

Actually it’s just called ‘Linux’

dodslaser ,

I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU+Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU+Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU+Linux!

LeFantome , (edited )

I’d just like to interject for a moment. I agree that it is most accurately just called Linux.

The GNU project was an attempt to create a free POSIX compatible operating system. At least, that was the vision. Instead of starting with the kernel, as most OS projects do now, GNU started by writing the utilities and other important tools that such a system would use ( most notably the C library and C compiler ). In practice, GNU became an alternative userland that ran on the proprietary UNIX systems of the day. Even MINIX, while being a teaching OS, was proprietary and cost money. The only “free” UNIX was BSD and its existence was being threatened as it was being sued by AT&T ( inventors of UNIX ). Linus set out to create a “free” ( as in money ) POSIX system because none existed. His job was made significantly easier because of the existence of GNU and especially GCC and Bash which Linus selected because they were free ( yes, as in freedom but more important to him at the time — in terms of money ).

Ironically, nobody used the term GNU / Linux in the early days of Linux. That is despite the fact that GNU + Linux would certainly have been the best description of what Linux was in the 90’s.

These days though, the term GNU / Linux, while being politically important, is descriptively wrong.

First, a relatively small fraction of the software installed on a typical Linux desktop is provided by the GNJ Project. The parts that define the experience for the end user ( eg. desktop environment ) are not GNU. Huge systems like X, Wayland, and Mesa are not even GPL ( they are MIT licensed ). Almost none of the GUI applications people use are GNU.

True, most Linux distros ship the GNU userland. Not all though. Most importantly, what make a Linux distro a Linux distro is Linux, not GNU. GNU is not the important part.

Linux dominates in the cloud. These days, the most important aspect of that is Linux specific containerization ( eg. Kubernetes ). Perhaps the most widely deployed Linux in the cloud is Alpine which uses MUSL instead of Glibc and Busybox instead of the GNU core utils. It is not GNU / Linux but it is certainly Linux.

How is modern Linux gaming possible? Well, the emergence of things like Valve’s proton ( not GNU ) are certainly important. But GPU drivers like those from AMD and NVIDIA are even more important and those use infrastructure which is entirely Linux specific.

Look at the Debian project. When we say Debian, we think of Linux and certainly it is one of the distros most likely to be called GNU / Linux. Debian Linux is certainly a Linux and provides the full Linux experience. Debian also offers Debian HURD ( a true GNU system ). Are Debian Linux and Debian HURD the same? They are both “Debian”. The answer though is that they are not at all the same. Debian HURD cannot even host all Debian packages. The truth is that Debian HURD is unsuitable for a huge percentage of the people that daily drive Debian Linux today. You are certainly not gaming on Debian HURD ( it lacks the Direct Rendering Infrastructure for example ). You are not live steaming or video editing either.

How about software developers? I would argue that this is the audience that GNU was originally created for. Well, Debian HURD is unsuitable for them as well because Linux matters more than GNU. For most developers today, tools like Docker or Podman are vital and they depend on the Linux kernel completely to function. These days, these kinds of tools are more essential even than the compiler. You can switch from GCC ( GNU ) to Clang ( BSD - not GNU ) easily. But how are you using containers ( Docker / Podman ) or virtual machines on Debian HURD?

As an extreme example of a Linux workstation, Chimera Linux installs with basically zero GNU software by default ( MUSL again and the FreeBSD userland including Clang / LLVM instead of GCC ). From the perspective of an end-user, it is exactly like any other Linux. Chimera uses GNOME as the DE which is not GNU either.

I can make a Linux system that contains no GNU software and it is still Linux. I can do any of the things that I expect a Linux system to do ( as a desktop, as a server, or in the cloud ). GNU is historically important but, at this point in history, it is completely overshadowed and entirely non-essential. If I take away the Linux though, GNU offers me almost nothing that I expect from a modern Linux.

GNU is still trying to create a free implementation of the kinds of UNIX systems that Richard Stallman encountered in the 80’s. An improvement of such systems you could argue but then again, it still has not got there. For the GNU project to be taking credit for what modern Linux has become is totally ludicrous.

What you are referring to is Linux and, more specifically, certainly not GNU / Linux. “Linux” is not just the Linux kernel anymore—it is the massive ecosystem of software that was designed specially to run on Linux and to work together to create a Linux system. Often people use GNU on Linux but that does not give GNU the right to equal billing. Not anymore.

dodslaser ,

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

Lenny , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old

The Linus that was promised.

jasondj ,

It’s a shame. Linus was and is far more deserving of respect for his contributions to technology than Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. Probably even Woz. But he’s by far down the line in terms of fame and fortune. Except maybe Woz.

ipkpjersi ,

I have a feeling he’s more okay with having less fortune though. Just the impression I get about him.

flashgnash ,

I can’t imagine he’s struggling for money, he’s a smart guy and wrote an OS used in some capacity by so many corporations

He’s probably written books that sell quite well

nestEggParrot ,

They meant gain wealth like apple founders or any other big tech. Believe he derives a salary from Linux foundation for his work. I don’t imagine that being anything comparable to owning large percentage of a tech company.

flashgnash ,

True but he’s also going to make more than enough to live comfortably I’m sure

Don’t need to be a billionaire to have a good comfortable life

nestEggParrot ,

Didn’t mean he wasnt earning well. Just clarified what the original comment meant.

MusicPiano ,

What books has Linus written?

flashgnash ,

Google search found “Just for fun the story of an accidental revolutionary” by Linus torvalds as the first result

My point was more that there are absolutely ways he can make money off Linux’s success

irmoz ,

“He oversees and has final say over every line of code [of Linux] to this day. The Linux Foundation pays Linus around $1.5 million per year to support the software.”

celebritynetworth.com/…/linus-torvalds-net-worth/

He has an estimated net worth of $150 million.

linuxfordevices.com/…/linus-torvalds-net-worth

admin ,

Watch some of the interviews in his home office. Dude is a happy dad with a nice family. Meanwhile a lot of tech billionaires are miserable. I’d say the respect he’s earned by not selling out is worth more than mainstream success. Linux and Linus are just the right size.

jasondj ,

Fair point. Out of all the tech legends, Linus (and Woz) seem the happiest.

Zink ,

They seem to have their priorities in the right place, living a happy comfortable human life instead of trying to mimic the exploit-profit-control-infiniteGrowth-fullThrottle24/7 priorities of the companies they started/own/work for.

verity_kindle , to noncredibledefense in Cope Curtain

Unfortunately, Hairy Mary was detected by odor and destroyed on her maiden voyage.

InfiniteStruggle ,

Ah nevermind.

verity_kindle ,

I was being facetious about the strong smell of hemp, my brother in Christ. For all I know, Mary had a long and odiferous career, full of adventure.

InfiniteStruggle ,

I was actually trying to add another joke, but it wasn’t funny outside my head so I edited it out.

verity_kindle ,

Eh, that’s cool, I wanna hear it anyways! I promise to laugh with you and not at you. Pinkie promise.

Centaur , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old

Just a hobby 😉

petersr ,

Won’t be big

Zeus , to newcommunities in Show Lemmy - Like Show HN, but not just for tech

interesting, i’ll join

instance agnostic link: !show_lemmy

Mio , to unixporn in [Hyprland] Tropical summer setup

Nice. But you have a problem with to little memory usage. 21 GB unused!

sajran OP ,

Don’t worry, it won’t be a problem anymore once I’ll fire up Android Studio and Android emulator.

Blaze , to newcommunities in Show Lemmy - Like Show HN, but not just for tech
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Interesting concept

zcd , to lemmyshitpost in My posts are apperently not artsy enough for Internet funeral

Not my proudest fap

Alexxxolotl ,
@Alexxxolotl@sh.itjust.works avatar

Shame, it should be :kekw:

Napain OP ,

this comment made me chuckle in public

LazaroFilm , to asklemmy in How are these smartphone back covers made?
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

As others have said. It’s injection molding with screen printing. Those two techniques are not suited for one off parts. Machining the mold for injection molding can cost thousands of dollars, especially for a gloss finish like this. The screen printing also requires to create a custom silk screen for this.

What are you trying to achieve? A new plastic cover with a different shape? Or same shape and different design on it?

iPod_girl OP ,

Well first of all, I’m just really curious. I always had a thing for learning how things are made and if I could remake them at home. Second, I guess I’d like to go with my own design, while staying in the bounds of the same style. Third, I’m still looking for what I am good at.

LazaroFilm ,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

That awesome! The best way to approach this in a DIY manner would be 3D printing. Easy 3D printing would be FDM printers, but better quality would be with Resin printer (in the home DIY scope).

iPod_girl OP ,

I was thinking maybe a silicone mould for casting resin could do the trick. I don’t have access to a 3D printer and won’t anytime soon unfortunately.

LazaroFilm ,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

You can try. You can get a 3D painter for around $200 a.aliexpress.com/_mNOIaES they basically pay for themselves in a couple of prints.

BleatingZombie , to programmerhumor in no cap

I hate this. Where do I find more?

grue ,
Zucca ,

Holy unholiness, Batman!

I did expect those kinds of tricks would cause syntax error in , but instead looks like everything is allowed… Some day someone a such abomination that it creates universe wide black hole -like vacuum and everything ceases to exist.

quinkin , to programmerhumor in no cap

frfr

circuitfarmer , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

sniffle They grow up so fast!

Posted via android.

DrownedAxolotl ,

It’s as if it was only yesterday that I watched him flip nvidia off.

Posted via arch.

dumpster_dove ,
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RickyRigatoni ,
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He should do it again

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