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WaterWaiver , (edited ) to programmer_humor in Floating-point arithmetic

In Kerbal Space Program your ships sometimes catch the NaN virus. If one fuel tank level is reading NaN then whatever you do DON’T try and fill it from another (full) tank. I’m not sure if it can spread to physics (thrust, mass, etc) EDIT: Yes it can happen to physics, oh dear.

I wonder what would happen if you landed a NaN-infected spaceship on a planet.

Mesa ,
@Mesa@programming.dev avatar

That’s both really cool and very concerning at the same time. I’d be scared to play lol.

mindbleach , to memes in Paying for free software

Stop using this bigot’s picture to smug up a lukewarm take.

BedSharkPal ,

Spicy but true.

ArmokGoB ,

Nah, keep using it so we can point and laugh at the moron.

mindbleach ,

Eight fucking years of fascists’ jeering faces every god-damn day is more than enough, thanks very much.

ky56 , to memes in Paying for free software

I am interested in paying donations to free and open source software I regularly use and have into my workflow. I will completely ignore your project if you make me deal with license keys. The Grayjay method is ok but would prefer that code and buttons not be dedicated to getting in my way. I hope that the mentality of paying for what you use becomes more common in FOSS culture so that prompts aren’t needed.

That said if your broke, don’t dontate. Take advantage of it being free and when you get a good job again, then consider helping out the developers.

In recent personal experience, I recently changed the motherboard on my Winblows VR gaming PC and It wouldn’t recognize my legit product key anymore. I don’t have patience for DRM shit so I activated it with KMS. Activation keys are a pain in the arse.

I emphasized It’s use for VR gaming just in case someone tries to sell me on the Linux Proton compatibility system. Someday soon steamVR will hopefully have good compatibility and I will give it a go. However I will always at minimum be stuck with windows on a secondary ssd as I have some Oculus games I also like and Oculus+revive will likely never work under Linux.

ky56 ,

I should add that I am broke myself so it’s a bit high and mighty of me to say people should donate when I have not done so yet.

I have started by at least supporting game developers on Steam. Mostly indie to medium size studio ones. Again, I can’t stand the AAA game DRM key crap.

Freesoftwareenjoyer ,

I have started by at least supporting game developers on Steam.

Steam puts DRM in games and requires proprietary software (the Steam client), so you should consider not buying there at all. GOG’s client is also proprietary, but its optional and there is a free alternative called Heroic Games Launcher. Itch.io has a libre client (also optional). As far as I know games on those two platforms are DRM-free.

ky56 ,

Steam is my dirty little secret when it come to my interest in open source. I believe that Valve will continue to hold it’s long tradition of user first business as a private business with lord Gaben at the helm (yes I know he’s mostly in the background at this point). I know that GOG exists however I really like steam forums, achievements, steam deck integration, steam link streaming and most importantly steamVR. Buying through GOG is going to massively impact my steamVR experience if you can even at all. steamVR compared to Oculus makes steamVR look like a very open platform. I hate Facebook with a passion for a variety of reasons so steamVR it is.

FOSS is a great tool/concept but at this time it doesn’t apply to gaming and I don’t really care to massively inconvenience my gaming experience for a small amount more of open source code. I say this as someone who daily drives a PinePhone, runs a Linux server with ZFS and is looking at a Framework laptop for my next laptop to run Linux on. Windows is still where gaming is at, especially for VR, and I don’t care to try and fight to run close source games on an open source operating system. Seems like a waste of effort to me.

ky56 ,

It’s silly to be an absolute open source purist when it comes to Valve anyway. They arguably deserve the money for the amazing ecosystem they have compared to the competition and are one of the biggest contributors to getting GUI frameworks and other Linux systems developed for the Linux based steam deck.

Valve will likely be the party that gets VR working mainstream on Linux for the upcoming Valve Decard standalone headset. You want to talk about the power of open source… well… an affordable VR headset that’s at least mostly open source in the software department that is also good for gaming. Sign me up. It’ll be miles better than what Facebook shits out for it measly 3-4 years of support.

I have an OG Vive that I use as the multiplayer setup for when friends come over and it’s still fully supported. 8 years later.

Valve may not be completely committed to everything open source but until someone out shines them they are the best option for flexibility and longevity.

Also someone need to be paid to develop open source software. This being the beginning of the topic and all. I’m happy for that to be Valve at the moment as they have shown the industry how to be better.

No I don’t work for Valve, I’m just sick of closed restrictive platforms as well as open janky platforms for gaming and hardware with fixed EOL dates. I see Valve as the best balance/compromise.

Sorry for my brains wall of text mode.

Freesoftwareenjoyer ,

I don’t think it’s silly at all to demand that users should have rights and that they should be able to control their computers. Valve makes proprietary software, which takes away user’s freedom, so it is unethical. They could make money in an ethical way if they only wanted. SteamOS is proprietary software too.

I don’t know much about VR, but if Valve makes a headset that doesn’t require proprietary software, that will be great. It should then be used as an example that other companies could follow. But it can’t be used as an excuse for them abusing users in other ways.

Also someone need to be paid to develop open source software. This being the beginning of the topic and all. I’m happy for that to be Valve at the moment as they have shown the industry how to be better.

Certainly, but Valve’s business is mostly focused on proprietary software and DRM. When they do make Free Software, it seems to be for the purpose of attracting people to their proprietary platform.

Freesoftwareenjoyer ,

I don’t doubt that Steam is convenient. I was just saying that we should buy DRM-free games when possible and support alternatives that don’t force us to use proprietary software. More freedom is better and if we don’t try to change something, we will be stuck like this forever and it might even get worse.

I say this as someone who daily drives a PinePhone

Same as me then, nice!

Freesoftwareenjoyer ,

Grayjay is proprietary. Its license doesn’t allow you for example to modify the source code, which is one of the 4 essential freedoms. Programs that don’t give you all of those freedoms are not Free Software.

gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay/…/LICENSE

peak_dunning_krueger , to memes in Paying for free software

The cost of switching to an unfamiliar Interface and workflow is high enough, charging money to do it will further increase the barrier to entry.

Paying for open source software sounds good on paper, but if it is required, the software will never accumulate the users to make the development have any meaning.

There has to be a “try it before you buy it” too. Otherwise the permutations of scams are obvious and nobody will fall for that. Idk how you would prove that the software works, without giving an actual copy of the software.

Also, legalities between different countries. You will just not get your money back from “trustworthy nigerian software dev who just needs 50$ to give you some software”.

So no.

Do donate if you can though. If you value the software you use, you will pretty obviously recognize the utility and the cost to you, should it go away.

eatham ,
@eatham@aussie.zone avatar

You could go the Grayjay approach and have it be “paid” software but not stop you from using it without pay, not even anything other than a small buy button which stays until you pay.

MudMan ,
@MudMan@kbin.social avatar

That is most likely going to generate less revenue than promoting donations, or a comparable amount at best. WinRAR is the meme example.

From a PR and marketing perspective, if I wanted to maximize my revenue as a single developer I would set up a Patreon or encourage recurring donations through the software by providing bragging rights stuff (merch, insider access, early access to unfinished builds and so on). Single mandatory payments simply reproduce the piracy/license access of commercial software and shaming people into paying without coercion just makes you seem less appealing to people who would donate anyway.

Freesoftwareenjoyer ,

Free Software can be legally distributed (it’s one of the 4 essential freedoms that it gives you). It doesn’t matter if it’s commercial or not, someone can always give you a copy.

There is a game called Mindustry, which is a libre game that is sold one Steam and it seems to be doing fine. This is just one example of a commercial Free Software project.

Freesoftwareenjoyer ,

Grayjay is proprietary software. The license doesn’t allow you to for example edit its source code: gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay/…/LICENSE

So it’s denying you at least one of the 4 essential freedoms.

eatham ,
@eatham@aussie.zone avatar

Ok

Freesoftwareenjoyer ,

Paying for open source software sounds good on paper, but if it is required, the software will never accumulate the users to make the development have any meaning.

Based on what you said, I’m not sure what you mean by “open source”, but Free Software gives you the right to distribute the program (www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html#four-freed…). So anyone who owns a copy can legally share it with you. There are commercial Free Software projects. The game Mindustry is one example.

peak_dunning_krueger ,

The game Mindustry is one example.

Yes. And as you can see it has 14k reviews on steam while factorio has 141k reviews.

It’s also a game, so there is no productivity gain or loss associated with it. There is no on call IT support, but you also don’t need any and if something breaks, you lose nothing except the ability to play THIS game for a short while. It’s not a… webserver you run your online shop through where every hour of downtime costs you X hundreds of euros or dollars.

The game was also made by what looks like one guy. It’s not, you know libre office. With hundreds and thousands of contributors and a huge problem of how to distribute the money.

Of course you’re allowed to distribute it. And of course you’re allowed to charge for it. But realistically, nearly nobody would use it.

Freesoftwareenjoyer ,

Yes. And as you can see it has 14k reviews on steam while factorio has 141k reviews.

Yes, but what is this supposed to prove? That proprietary software is more popular? Usually it is. There are many different reasons for that, but one of them is that there is simply more of it.

It’s also a game, so there is no productivity gain or loss associated with it. There is no on call IT support, but you also don’t need any and if something breaks, you lose nothing except the ability to play THIS game for a short while. It’s not a… webserver you run your online shop through where every hour of downtime costs you X hundreds of euros or dollars.

It’s similar to selling a desktop app or a mobile app. I can’t find the source code of AnkiMobile right now, but I’m pretty sure it’s Free Software. If you want an example of a commercial app that people might use to do work, there is Ardour.

PeriodicallyPedantic , to lemmyshitpost in My favorite cooking show

Why always “Food Wars” and never “Yakitate!! Japan”?

It’s the same thing, but earlier, better, and without constantly showing upskirt shots of children.

HeavyRaptor , to piracy in this can't be real. is it?

Are you watching this on a Nintendo DS or something?

JasonDJ ,

It looks like they really wanted to get both frames in one picture, so they did the obvious thing…load one frame on your phone, another frame on your partners, and then take your 2007 flip phone out of the drawer and use that to take a picture of both of them.

ilinamorato ,

Side note: why is it SO HARD to put two images together into one image file on a smartphone? There are multiple apps that want $1.99/mo for the privilege of making a collage, Instagram Layout has been broken for years now, and the first party solutions (particularly Google Photos) are overengineered in some big ways (like not allowing you to make a collage without some kind of border) and underengineered in others (like not allowing you to choose an image from a search, make a different search, and then choose another image). And as far as I can tell the only way to actually put one image on top of another is to use Double Exposure on Snapseed.

We’ve had this problem solved on Windows for literally my entire life, and I’m pushing 40. So why can’t we figure out basic, no frills raster editing on mobile? I’m not even talking about layers (though, yes please). I’m talking about pretty much anything other than a filter.

isolatedscotch ,

i’ve had this issue so many times I just gave up and now use gimp from vnc connected on localhost to termux

ilinamorato ,

“Just.” That’s awesome.

I mean that. I’m not being sarcastic. I love that idea. I just don’t have the capacity for something like that; I just want something built in to Android.

meliaesc ,

photopea.com is extremely nice, it’s browser based.

Trainguyrom ,

I was skeptical until I saw a GitHub link on the page

ky56 ,

The answer is that app stores are designed to rake users over the coals for all the money they can. Part of the reason I have never made my phone the center of my computing. It’s too expensive and crap of an experience. I have just always made a habit of carrying around my laptop almost everywhere. I have an old phone (now PinePhone) for calls, texts, music, basic web browsing and internet tethering for the laptop.

ilinamorato ,

Right, but you could say that about…anything. And there are FOSS solutions on FDroid and even the Play Store for a ton of other problems, so why not image editing?

ky56 ,

I suppose I hadn’t considered nor know much about slideloaded solutions as my previous phone was an iPhone 5c. It was a handmedown from my parents.

I don’t really like the lack of hardware support on the Android side (parts availability). Not exactly like it’s much better on the iPhone side either. So I went with the PinePhone. Linux on there is very barebones but at least the parts are available. If I am going to use my phone in a barebones manner then why buy in to an expensive fixed life device?

Not exactly a knowledgeable user. Just another user frustrated by the subscription/throwaway economy. I realize this wasn’t really a relevant answer to your question but more how I adapted to the worthless app store.

BTW, one of the few apps I did purchase was 1Password. $60 for the Mac app and $40 for the iOS app. So $100 all in all. Those ass hats switched to subscription only the very next version citing we need funds to further develop the security. That plus a couple other examples is why I gave up on paid proprietary software on both devices. I’m full force trying to find FOSS solutions instead. Not that many exist for mobile or even desktop as you have also discovered.

ilinamorato ,

I don’t generally have a problem paying for an app, it’s the subscription model I hate. And because of business practices outside the FOSS world, it seems like FOSS is the only place to get anything reasonable.

QTpi ,

My Samsung does it very easily with decent customization options in Gallery (and has for at least two phones). What phone are you using that can’t? I agree the collage feature in Google photos is lame.

ilinamorato ,

Pixel, but I’ve had the problem with Motorola and LG in the past too.

Samsung has enough other problems that I’ll never make that leap, but it’s good to know that somebody is working on it.

QTpi ,

Gotcha! I’ve stuck with Samsung because they make a phone that will fit in the pathetic excuse that is women’s pants pockets. My husband tried to get me to switch to the Pixel but it was too big.

ilinamorato ,

Totally get it. I miss my Pixel 2 form factor.

Zitronensaft ,

Pocket extensions are a great beginner’s sewing project, nobody can see your pockets in most pants so it doesn’t matter if your stitches are uneven. A basic sewing kit is all you need, you don’t even need a sewing machine.

youtu.be/LRAz9eQexHQ?si=m2RiNH1acfhkXTYM

instructables.com/How-to-Extend-Your-Pants-Pocket…

user224 ,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I really like JointPics: play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.gr.java_…

Unfortunately, it wasn’t updated for 10 years, so it may not work for too long.

ilinamorato ,

Your device isn’t compatible with this version.

Bummer. Thanks for the thought, though!

user224 , (edited )
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

As I said, it wasn’t updated in 10 years.

HOWEVER, it doesn’t mean it wouldn’t actually work. Google Play store just started doing this crap based on target API version. Due to that I often search Google for apps, check results from Play Store, and try getting an APK somewhere if I find app that looks interesting. The risk of that is obvious, just like with mod apks.

Edit: In case you trust me (which you really shouldn’t as I am just a stranger), I used this APK extractor: F-Droid link Github link
And uploaded the APK here: d.kuku.lu/ss3xcf7fe
VirusTotal report shows the hash matches already checked Joint Pics_1.2.0_Apkpure.apk so it seems unmodified by the APK extractor (well, that’s what it said before my checks anyway as it uses filename from last previous check). It also came out clean, but that’s not 100% to be trusted, as usual.

ilinamorato ,

Interesting, and thank you for the additional information. I may have to check this out.

Tankton ,

Uuuh my cheap Android phone can do that from the gallery. Its called collage

ilinamorato ,

You say “gallery,” but do you mean “Google Photos?” And if so, did you miss the part where I said that exists but is weirdly both over- and underbuilt?

Grimpen ,

I think Samsung subs in their own “Gallery” software on their phones. Other manufacturers may as well.

ohlaph ,

Or two Nintendo DS.

rab , to memes in Gotta get it right
@rab@lemmy.ca avatar

I’m not sure if it’s a symptom of a mental disorder but I struggle with right vs left to this day. If someone says “turn left” it takes some mental power for me to decipher. But clockwise / anticlockwise is easy for some reason

AngryCommieKender ,

Dyslexia / dysgraphia

NikkiDimes ,

This. I have mild dyslexia and dysgraphia and I refuse to give driving directions. I will point left, say right, and not even realize it and just confuse the shit out of my driver, lol.

Hell, I refuse to accept directions. My navigator will say left, I’ll go right, and they’ll look at me funny. If we’re in my car, we’re using GPS. No exceptions, even if we’re just going 3 blocks.

AngryCommieKender ,

I’ve found that Driver’s Side/ Passenger’s Side works for me, though I’ve never been to somewhere that drives on the driver’s side of the road, so that could trip me up.

Sagifurius , to memes in WHAT IF...?

We fucking didn’t. Our lords n masters decided they needed a new underclass to keep them going and this is all gonna end very very badly. Importing people from fucking fighting nations into polite nations causes 2 fighting nations.

087008001234 ,

You better be referring to the emigration of Nazis to the western hemisphere otherwise I’m gonna have to call the asylum sir

DavLemmyHav , to lemmyshitpost in My favorite cooking show

Masterchef is actually really fun if you dont watch the US version. Or anything that has that buffoon Joe Bastianich.

hahattpro , to lemmyshitpost in My favorite cooking show

I like to watch Mr White cook show. He cooks white crystals.

superduperenigma ,

Actually he mostly cooks blue crystals

datavoid , to piracy in this can't be real. is it?

OpenSubtitles is hot garbage, a viable alternative needs to exist. Pray for Subscene

ShepherdPie ,

I typically grab the better quality rips and they almost always come with subtitles. Three hats ones are older or more obscure movies/shows that don’t have many options to choose from.

eek2121 ,

Is it easy to get a copy of their dataset?

kux ,

there’s a comment from a few months ago with a torrent, the date inside is july 2022 so will be missing anything newer: lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/5089994

s38b35M5 ,
@s38b35M5@lemmy.world avatar

Hey, that’s me! I’m (Lemmy) famous!

lazynooblet ,
@lazynooblet@lazysoci.al avatar

Is addi7ed also good?

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah but they are focused on tv shows afaik

Grandwolf319 ,

Ironically, this might be an area where machine learning could be beneficial.

thirteene ,

I’ve been watching a few projects that are attempting to live translate videos. We are very close

Baku ,

How does that work for people with non US/UK accents? I ask because all of the transcription software I’ve seen will work absolutely fantastically on even the most garbled and redneck American accents, and the vast majority of British ones too, but as soon as you get to Scottish/Welsh/German/Australian/really anywhere elses accents, it has a complete breakdown and you can’t make sense of it at all

thirteene ,

m.youtube.com/watch?v=h5JNnvXjmmYLooks like they actually solved it a while ago, this video shows multiple base languages. Sorry but I can’t speak to specifics, but I do know my next project.

YoorWeb ,

Imagine the next step though, soon AI will generate actors’ voices speaking in any language you want.

zygo_histo_morpheus ,

I don’t think I would use this actually, because I don’t see how an AI could capture the performance. I’m a sub over dub guy anyway, but at least someone making a dub has a sporting chance to make an interesting performance.

JasonDJ ,

Live is great but I don’t think it’d be feasible for most languages to be a real 1:1 translation in live.

Even a 10s delay allows for the whole sentence/phrase to be captured and translated in entirety. A lot of languages can drastically change meaning due to a word on the other side of the sentence.

fatalError ,

Live shouldn’t be used in a home setup anyway unless for something where interaction is required, like a teams call or twitch stream. Anything else can take a delay for the sake of preserving the meaning.

GreatAlbatross ,
@GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk avatar

The great thing about television, is that “live” is a flexible concept.
The playback software could happily play 10 seconds ahead of what’s actually on the screen, and have plenty of time to translate like that.
In the same way that we sometimes put delays into live events to allow the subtitling systems breathing room.

Trainguyrom ,

In the same way that we sometimes put delays into live events to allow the subtitling systems breathing room.

I’ve always heard this was because of the infamous Superbowl Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction (where the malfunction was that only one nip was slipped and not both as was clearly intended)

azertyfun , (edited )

It’s already a thing with near-zero delay. MS Teams does it (dunno about the translation) and the QSMP Minecraft server has a bunch of livestreamers from different countries who use it for realtime translation.

[EDIT: Live demo from today. Shit’s impressive.]

What actually happens is that the current sentence gets “corrected” several times as you keep speaking. It’s a bit jittery and if the word order differs significantly then the translated sentence might be a bit wonky for a few seconds, and there are a few misses but overall it works really well; at least well enough that people who don’t speak each others’ language can have a conversation in their native tongues with essentially no more delay than reading speed. I can easily follow a livestream in a foreign language with the live subtitles (which was not the case a mere 6 months ago for any language other than English).

TwoCubed ,

I absolutely hate to watch subtitles appear word for word. So no, please no live captions.

RogueBanana ,

It doesn’t have to be live as in with the player but I imagine the audio could be loaded into the program simultaneously and have it produce cc for the entire movie as you watch it

pacoboyd ,

Whisper AI is pretty darn good. I’ve used it to make subtitles for MST3K vids where nothing good exists and maybe only had to spend 10 minutes doing some clean up. It even recognizes when different people are speaking and breaks up the subs accordingly.

mapleseedfall , to lemmyshitpost in My favorite cooking show

Man I miss toriko, too bad the author was a sex offender

Viking_Hippie , to lemmyshitpost in My favorite cooking show

…why does the last one have tiny glowing lungs? 🤔

Crackshere , to piracy in "Piracy is a service issue.." (Image is a real story btw, link in post)

i cant understand your problem.

PatMustard , to memes in Principled Opposition

If you have two potential opponents, a slightly crazy one and a really crazy one, and you think you’re more likely to be able to beat the really crazy one then it’s a calculated risk to try and help the really crazy one beat the slightly crazy one for you. Your gamble doesn’t pay off if suddenly the really crazy one beats you though.

93maddie94 ,
@93maddie94@lemm.ee avatar

Not only that, the article states that they’ve only succeeded 4 out of 13 times getting the really crazy one nominated. So they’re playing with fire and wasting millions.

archomrade ,

And if the four times they succeeded, how many times did they lose to the crazy opponent?

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Which one is the slightly crazy one, would that be the one that’s conducting a literal genocide right now?

AVincentInSpace ,

First of all, define “conducting”, second of all, you cannot seriously tell me you believe that Trump, if elected, will stop funneling arms to Gaza

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Conducting as in actively engaged in supplying Israel with weapons used to commit the genocide, running political cover for Israel at the UN by doing vetoes of ceasefire resolutions, and attacking Yemen for interdicting shipping with Israel. I imagine that Trump will continue largely the same policies, but that just shows that both parties are genocidal fascists.

AVincentInSpace ,

If it’s all the same to you, then, I’ll vote for the candidate that isn’t saying he wants to bring the fascism to our side of the pond. I’m not okay with what’s happening in Israel, dgmw, but given the choice between mass death over there, and mass death over there and mass deportations and anti-human rights laws back home, I’ll go with the first option.

I am sincerely begging everyone reading this to vote for someone other than Biden in the Democratic primary, but if it comes down to Biden or Trump, please, please tell me that you will vote for Biden instead of staying home

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Vote for whatever flavor of fascism that you feel fits you best. I’m not stopping you. Meanwhile, I’m not an American and I’m just watching your shithole country tear itself apart from the outside.

AVincentInSpace ,

I’m not sure there’s anything I can do in this situation that would cause you not to call me a fascist. If that’s your position, find a different position.

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

If you think that voting for one fascist over the other makes you a good person then maybe take a bit time to think about your morals. Unlike you, I don’t need to do mental gymnastics to justify supporting fascists.

AVincentInSpace ,

You’re right. Instead of voting for either candidate I should just… what? Move to whatever country you live in? Worse, stay home and stick it to both candidates by showing them I’d be okay with either one?

There are some really stupid liberal takes out there, but “voting for either one makes you complicit in fascism” is by far the stupidest.

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Maybe what you should do is consider how your country got where it is today. People like you voted for Biden last election, what has that achieved? Trump is more popular than ever, and Biden is conducting a genocide, while being involved in wars around the globe. If you think voting for Biden again is going to change the trajectory of things then I got a bridge to sell you. You have a fascist state, and both parties represent the ruling class that makes decisions. That’s what it means to live in a fascist state, it’s not a democracy. Your voting does not matter, it’s just a circus to make the feeble minded feel like they have participation. Don’t take it from me though, here’s what a study analyzing decades of US policy under both parties has to say:

What do our findings say about democracy in America? They certainly constitute troubling news for advocates of “populistic” democracy, who want governments to respond primarily or exclusively to the policy preferences of their citizens.

AVincentInSpace , (edited )

What voting for Biden will accomplish is preventing Trump from entering office and all of my rights from being stripped away, and that is very important to me.

Your take seems to be “I’m so leftist I refuse to vote because voting is pointless.” If that’s correct, then I’m going to choose to believe you’re a right wing troll who’s trying to convince me not to vote so your candidate will win, because that’s easier than believing that anyone on Earth is so far up their own ass that they’ve convinced themselves that doing nothing and letting the world get worse on its own is the best political statement they can make.

joenforcer ,

Ignore this guy. I’m seeing a lot of “both sides bad” hot takes lately and I get the feeling we’re seeing a lot of seeds of doubt disinformation spreading like we got back in 2016. Abandon the troll, he can’t vote anyway.

Facebones , (edited )

“Anybody left of Biden is a troll and worse than Republicans”

Y’all out here claiming to not be fascist but you’ve got exactly one song to sing and it’s fascist as hell. “We aren’t fascist we’re just the only chance to save this country and anybody left of us is explicitly less than human and will be referred to as such at every possible turn”

joenforcer ,

Nobody said any of that. Get over your persecution complex.

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Ah yes, just like voting Biden prevented abortion rights from being stripped away, or stopped the concentration camps on the border, or stopped endless wars. Yeah, I totally see why it’s so important to vote Biden.

Again, I’ll try spell it out for you. I absolutely don’t care whether you vote or not. If it makes you feel like you’re participating politically, go ahead vote for Biden and feel like you’ve accomplished something. Your country is still going to be fascist and your right will still be stripped away, but you’ll get to feel really smug by having voted. The fact that Americans see voting as peak political participation is absolutely hilarious.

AVincentInSpace ,

WHAT. WOULD. YOU. HAVE. ME. DO. INSTEAD?

yogthos OP ,
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Educate yourself on effective methods of building grassroots power. You can read up on how the labour movement organized in US back in the 30s which lead to the New Deal. Organize with people in your local community and help educate them. Join a principled organization that’s trying to effect meaningful change.

Again, I’m not telling you not to vote. That’s just a straw man you keep erecting here. What I’m actually telling you is that voting on its own doesn’t accomplish much of anything.

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