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Blaster_M , to technology in Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025

Controversial Take:

Windows 11 is actually decent

Kongar ,

It’s 10 with some extra BS. It runs. But I wouldn’t call it decent. Definitely a controversial take ;)

Take my upvote not because I agree, but because you are brave! ;)

applepie ,

give us 3 reasons why

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar
  • Stable
  • Lots of features
  • Very widespread support
cyberpunk007 ,

The funny thing is I use Mac Linux and Windows daily. Windows 11 on my surface. This is my business computer. Mac for the employer I work for. Linux for my personal desktop. 11 crashes all the time. Start menu and task bar glitches. Random UI elements not loading properly. I frequently need to restart explorer.exe. I get thunderbolt dock issues and glitches. This does not occur on the MacBook. Or my old windows 10 work laptop.

I actually like 10 now. 11 is hot trash. I’ll take 12 over it so far from what we know of it.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

Whereas I use Windows 11 on all of my machines, including one I use for my job as a programmer and regularly put through the wringer, and I don't actually know what the Windows 11 version of the blue screen of death looks like because I have never crashed the OS. I can't recall the last time I saw a bug like what you're describing, either. So I don't know what you're doing wrong with your Windows 11 install, but it seems I've somehow avoided it without particularly trying.

cyberpunk007 ,

Me neither, I have mainly Microsoft software on there. It’s Microsoft’s own tablet lol. It probably would help if I reinstalled but I can’t be bothered. It “works”.

circuscritic ,

The major problems isn’t Windows 11 usability, although those issues due exist. UI and workflow issues can typically get addressed, or mitigated, by 3rd party tools.

The real concerns are the exponential increases in spyware, such as the AI recovery tool that records all user interactions, or the native advertising inside of the system itself e.g. Start Menu ads.

If native AI data collection and advertising is baked into all nooks and crannies of the system, the ability of users to mitigate those threats becomes extraordinarily difficult, if not impossible to completely resolve.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

You can turn off Recall with a simple toggle in the settings.

There's no need to switch operating systems, just turn it off.

dukethorion ,
@dukethorion@lemmy.world avatar

Do you trust that its off? Or just off for You?

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

I trust that Microsoft fears the lawsuits that would ensue if they were caught lying about it, and that they wouldn't derive any significant benefit from lying about it. Why would they?

dukethorion ,
@dukethorion@lemmy.world avatar

Because legal fees and fines are the cost of doing business for Big AdTech

circuscritic ,

Even if you trust that one feature will actually be disabled, that was just one example.

Do you really believe you can disable and remove all of the numerous data collection and spyware components that are baked into all aspects of the OS?

I’m not saying no one should use Windows 11, but they should be honest with themselves about the trade-off they’re accepting.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

Even if you trust that one feature will actually be disabled, that was just one example.

The other one mentioned was the start menu ads. Those can also be turned off with a simple toggle in the settings. Finding this was as simple as Googling "turn off windows start menu ads", it was the top result.

Do you really believe you can disable and remove all of the numerous data collection and spyware components that are baked into all aspects of the OS?

Yes. Because Windows is used by a lot of big giant corporations that would sue the hell out of Microsoft if it wasn't possible to disable those features.

ricdeh ,
@ricdeh@lemmy.world avatar

First of all, there are specialised Enterprise distributions of M$ Windows. Furthermore, what ground would any company have to sue M$ on what the latter put in their own operating system?

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

I work for a big giant corporation and plenty of its computers don't run Enterprise Windows.

A lawsuit would come in the case that Microsoft was lying about whether you could disable those features. Microsoft has put toggles for them into the settings, if it turns out that those toggles don't actually disable the things they claim to disable then that's where Microsoft is going to face legal issues. Do you really think Microsoft cares enough about the tiny portion of their customer base that's going to change the default settings that they would risk that sort of lawsuit to "spy" on them?

cyberpunk007 ,

Yes. Just like you can turn off a bunch of the windows 10 crap with registry keys and tools. Why. Why does a user need to go to such lengths to make their OS they paid for not soy on them and deliver them ads?

“Oh it’s not that bad!” You’ll say. Ya. Windows 10 wasn’t THAT bad for it. Then came 11. Then 12 will come. Inch by inch it will turn to shit more and more, and that is the point.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

But this really isn't a registry key or tool, though. Did you click my link? It's a simple on/off toggle in the system settings menu. You just open the settings and click "off." I don't see how much simpler they could make it.

cyberpunk007 ,

You need to consider the bigger picture. Not this specific thing.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

I haven't had to edit the registry in as long as I can remember. Not just for this specific thing. What stuff are you talking about?

JohnDClay , to memes in You don't have to use gyroelongation

Is it because the golden ratio contains the square root of three which is used in constructing triangles in 3d?

Wait no, it uses the square root of 5 plus one, that is pretty magical!

HonoraryMancunian ,

I assume it’s because the GR has a ratio of the longer side to both sides summed. Although I can’t explain it further than that lol

Tar_alcaran , to memes in You don't have to use gyroelongation

I also didn’t know that, that’s awesome!

xilliah , to programmerhumor in The most likely next word
lord_ryvan ,

Why is it so aggressive?

xilliah ,

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    nexussapphire , to memes in [CW: Death and Blood] The trolley problem USA edition

    Thank you, as an American I hate it.

    MrStankov , to memes in [CW: Death and Blood] The trolley problem USA edition

    Leave no witnesses!

    cashews_best_nut , to linuxmemes in Hot take

    There’s Two Main Choices:

    Packages…

    1. Pacman-based - Arch, Arco, Endeavour
    2. RPM-based - Fedora, SuSE
    3. Aptitude-based - Ubuntu, Debian

    Choose Pacman for rolling release, bleeding edge. Pick aptitude for servers and pick RPM if you want something that ‘just works’.

    Desktop…

    1. Full DE - Gnome, KDE
    2. Window Manager - Awesome, i3

    High end machines with lots of fancy features and ease of use pick a full DE. WM is good for speed and low-end hardware but harder to use.

    FalseDiamond ,
    @FalseDiamond@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Disagree on picking RPM distros for an absolute beginner (this is what the image is about at least). SUSE maybe but you don’t want a newbie having to deal with US patent bullshit and especially SELinux. Similarly, no newbie will ever pic a barebones WM as a first time user.

    lugal , to memes in [CW: Death and Blood] The trolley problem USA edition

    Self defense

    atyaz , to memes in [CW: Death and Blood] The trolley problem USA edition

    Smart. That way you only have to shoot one innocent civilian.

    tubbadu , to linuxmemes in systemctl enable chop.suey

    Wake up

    neo ,

    Grab a brush and put a little Compiz

    MonkeMischief ,

    WHY’S-YOUR-DESKTOP-A-3D-CUBE

    I WANTED TO!

    deathmetal27 ,

    Grab the bash and put a little make up.

    cupcakezealot , to linuxmemes in systemctl enable chop.suey
    @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    sugar!

    Big_Boss_77 ,
    gazby , to linuxmemes in systemctl enable chop.suey

    Swap user session for resolved or timesyncd or something would be better 💙

    erev ,
    @erev@lemmy.world avatar

    resolved sucks imo. i usually disable it and manually set the resolv.conf, or use something else. it has no way to force it to check name servers in a specific order and it has a memory so it’ll use the same name server for multiple checks even if it’s not the right name server. if these things were configurable, I’d agree that it’s good. but they’re not and it makes it very difficult to use in a lot situations.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    systemd networking just seems to be a fucking nightmare

    everytime i so much as look at it everything explodes.

    gazby ,

    Not recommending the software, would just be a better fit for the meme lol

    DScratch , to technology in Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025

    You can recommend what you like. As soon as Windows 10 can’t play the latest games I’m off to Linux.

    Eat my whole ass, Microsoft.

    Bahnd ,

    Come on over, the water is fine. I switched to Pop_OS a few months back for the gaming rig and Proton+Steam works almost flawlessly. Older titles sometimes have hiccups, but so far ive only been blocked on one title.

    mesamunefire ,

    Yep it’s pretty easy and my computer runs so much faster than Windows on the same machine.

    metaStatic ,

    Windows running on a VM under linux runs faster than windows on bare metal ...

    JackGreenEarth ,

    Not for me, but that might have been a slight exaggeration.

    fartsparkles ,

    You joke but it actually boots faster in a VM for me than on bare metal. And that’s with fastboot enabled. Would love to know why!

    metaStatic ,

    the best jokes have a kernel of truth.

    The VM is optimised for the OS, the OS is usually a fresh install with just that 1 program you need to use instead of you're entire life scattered across the desktop, it can be a snapshot of the system in an optimal state right after running an unfuck windows script that removes default system malware which doesn't let it reinstall, it has less system resources to deal with for the simple fact it can't use them all at the same time as the base OS.

    catloaf ,

    Probably a BIOS that has a very well known hardware configuration. It doesn’t have to worry about weird legacy shit, it’s only ever going to be the VM hardware. (Plus whatever you pass through, but I imagine the BIOS doesn’t care, or if it does it’ll slow it back down).

    DichotoDeezNutz ,
    @DichotoDeezNutz@lemmy.world avatar

    I just switched from W10 to Pop_OS and have had lots of trouble. I’m trying to stick with it but from audio glitches to many games not running unless I find a random CLI arg that someone mentioned on Reddit, to my UI freezing, it’s not been an easy switch.

    Nevoic ,

    Any chance you have an nvidia card? Nvidia for a long time has been in a worse spot on Linux than AMD, which interestingly is the inverse of Windows. A lot of AMD users complain of driver issues on Windows and swap to Nvidia as a result, and the exact opposite happens on Linux.

    Nvidia is getting much better on Linux though, and Wayland+explicit sync is coming down the pipeline. With NVK in a couple years it’s quite possible that nvidia/amd Linux experience will be very similar.

    Lemminary ,

    I wish I still had my AMD card but it decided to brick itself for no apparent reason after it made horrible humming noises whenever it chose to ever since I bought it. I have an Nvidia card now and haven’t had a single issue on Windows yet, but maybe my days are counted to the moment I switch to Linux.

    DichotoDeezNutz ,
    @DichotoDeezNutz@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah I’m on a 3070, I thought Pop had improvements for Nvidia stuff which is why I chose it.

    metaStatic ,

    it's not a drop in replacement and anyone looking for one will be disappointed by literally anything available.

    You're learning an entirely new operating system, don't think of it as an upgrade, this is a time sink. You'll be under the hood more than on the road for the foreseeable future, but what's the alternative?

    DichotoDeezNutz ,
    @DichotoDeezNutz@lemmy.world avatar

    I get that, and I love Linux, it’s just annoying to see people say that they switched with 0 issues and trying to sell it off like people won’t have problems.

    InFerNo ,

    I don’t understand why people can’t simply believe that someone could actually have very little issues with performance or settings after switching.

    What About™ people who have issues when installing windows, as if that never happens.

    I put both kinds of operating systems on a myriad of computers and sometimes it’s smooth sailing and sometimes it’s like stepping on rake after rake.

    DichotoDeezNutz ,
    @DichotoDeezNutz@lemmy.world avatar

    Its not that I don’t believe it, rather they are “selling” Linux as if there won’t be any problems, but whoever is making the switch will have to learn about troubleshooting. That’s a good thing, but something that they should be aware of.

    InFerNo ,

    I don’t really have a problem with “selling” Linux. You gotta take all things with a dose of skepticism.

    Has anyone ever recommended a product of any complexity as an OS and then also listed all of the common issues people might encounter? When people talk about a product they like, of course it will highlight the positive things, but anyone who has ever touched a computer, hobbyist or not, knows these things might sometimes shit the bed in unexpected ways. I think that’s common sense.

    Windows is said to have less problems, but the cryptic errors and non descriptive “wait while we do something” message without any other output actually makes solving problems harder. It has more users, so luckily that means someone out there probably has the issue documented so solutions are easier to find.

    I use both, at home primarily Linux, at work primarily Windows. I had troubles in both that caused serious headaches, but generally they both work without too much problems.

    This might have been a bit rambling 😅

    InFerNo ,

    I don’t understand why people can’t simply believe that someone could actually have very little issues with performance or settings after switching.

    What About™ people who have issues when installing windows, as if that never happens.

    I put both kinds of operating systems on a myriad of computers and sometimes it’s smooth sailing and sometimes it’s like stepping on rake after rake.

    SidewaysHighways ,

    Try bazzite? It’s been cool with my setup. Intel processor with GTX 1660 ti.

    Mint has been cool too! on a laptop with a 1650 on it

    Statlerwaldorf ,

    I did the same a few months back. No problems so far. Some older games require switching up the compatibility layer occasionally but no deal breakers so far.

    kakes ,

    I’ve seen a lot of people recommending Pop_OS lately. Out of curiosity, what’s the benefit over something like Mint?

    natedog526 ,
    @natedog526@lemmy.world avatar

    Curious about this too. I was gonna spend some time trying some different distros. Both mint and PopOs are on my list.

    HeyMrDeadMan ,

    I’ll try to offer an answer to both you and @natedog526.

    Pop came heavily recommended for a while because it’s relatively light-weight for a modern desktop, had some fresh UI ideas with its COSMIC plugins for Gnome, and ships with some nice bonuses for gamers like built in Steam and Nvidia setup scripts.

    Unfortunately, it’s become pretty stale lately. I still use it daily on my main desktop, but lately it’s becoming harder and harder to keep from hopping to something new. A few pain points include Pop shipping older version of some important software like the Kernel, Wine, and Mesa, persistsant audio bugs like the other user mentioned, and basically no support for Wayland at the moment.

    A lot of these are because System76 has been heavily focused working on its COSMIC desktop, which should function a full standalone desktop environment instead of Gnome with duct tape. It’s looking forward to seeing it which has so far kept me from switching, but with no release date and other distros offering what Pop offers, it’s harder and harder to stay put.

    Defaced ,

    Running OpenSUSE Tumbleweed right now and it’s great!

    rdrunner ,

    If iRacing and my other sim racing gear worked with Linux I’d make the switch asap. I already have popOS on another hard drive and everything other than iRacing has worked well

    HeyLow ,

    Looks like iRacing is working on proton experimental as of 3 days ago At least according to a user on protondb

    poleslav ,

    Yup, similar boat but with planes instead of cars. Most inputs Linux can support on a single usb device is 86 or so, my throttle alone has well over 150 buttons on it. Add in all the stuff for my sim cockpit (probably around 1000 buttons), my haptic feedback chair, and then VR… as much as I’d like to use Linux, I don’t think it’d be possible for the foreseeable future for me to switch.

    kennebel ,

    I switched to Pop!_OS about 3 months ago and have been loving it! First Linux distribution that just worked for me, and every app works better than any other Linux or Windows 11 on the same hardware.

    NRay7882 ,

    We need a successful replacement to DirectX for this to happen.

    Look how desperate they are now for their web browser, imagine when people start abandoning Windows because there are other options that work just as well. I can’t wait.

    impure9435 ,

    We need a successful replacement to DirectX for this to happen.

    Vulkan?

    NRay7882 ,

    Definitely, I’m not saying that there aren’t any viable candidates out there now, but the title base for games that support Vulkan seems to be not even 1/10th of what DirectX 11 can support. It needs more acceptance I guess is what I mean.

    Enoril ,

    Honestly even the as-is directX with Wine is already quite good. With Vulkan, game over :-)

    MentalEdge ,
    @MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Wine doesn’t do DirectX. A wine environment set up for gaming uses DXVK or VKD3D to translate everything to Vulkan.

    vividspecter ,

    Wine does do DirectX as well (and did well before DVXK and VKD3D-Proton were a thing). But it translates to OGL instead of Vulkan so it was always relatively slow and has issues with compatibility. There’s also some other built in work to translate to Vulkan (including the original VKD3D), but they are behind the third party projects too.

    MentalEdge ,
    @MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Yes, that was WineD3D, which still has to be used in some cases.

    But that’s still not DirectX, what I was saying is that you don’t actually run DirectX in Wine. You have to translate it to Vulkan or OpenGL.

    Not that this stuff isn’t part of Wine.

    MentalEdge ,
    @MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

    We already do?

    DXVK and VKD3D have been translating DirectX 9-12 to Vulkan for a while now, allowing DirectX games and applications to run on hardware and/or operating systems that don’t support DirectX.

    Intels ARC GPUs don’t even support DirectX on a hardware level, like it’s just straight up not there. Intels drivers instead just translate it to Vulkan, and their at times insane FPS boosts from driver updates was due to them improving that translation and getting closer to 1:1 performance.

    NRay7882 ,

    At times, yes. But at most times, no. Certain games can capitalize on ARC and I was just as enthusiastic as everyone else when it first started making the rounds. But theres a reason the cards haven’t caught on and most people seem to rely on them more for offloading things like streaming and AV1 encoding/decoding

    MentalEdge ,
    @MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

    They’re new.

    I didn’t claim they’re worth recommending yet. But AFAIK they’re pretty great now, and with more issues worked out on the hardware side, Battlemage has great potential.

    Enoril ,

    Switched to arch linux last november, didn’t had to launch my backup VM Win10 at all. I even managed to play at StarCitizen with better performance than under Win 10…

    Just wow the progress of Linux, Wine & co since my last linux try (Ubuntu, around 2010).

    I just need now to find a linux way for my music stack and all the VST (my steinberg usb card is recognized and play properly oO) and Windows will be history at home…

    Dablin ,
    @Dablin@kbin.social avatar

    Yeah ive also had s Star Citizen running in Arch. My setup didnt support game updates though so every update needed a complete redownload of the entire game which got old real fast.

    Also had Microsoft Flight Simulator running very well too which is peak irony. At first there was issues with satellite terrain and imagary as the networking was broken but a Proton update actually fixed that.

    Im incredibly impressed on the type of heavy duty window games ive got working in linux, some working very well others with slight occasional issues.

    Linux gaming isnt perfect but windows has never been either. Ive had plenty of experience over the years with some games just not running properly or at all in windows even though they should.

    Ive found many older games generally run better in Linux now in respect to modern windows, despite the compatibility layers.

    misk ,
    @misk@sopuli.xyz avatar

    It’s funny seeing this every couple of years. People get up in arms about something with Windows, some switch to Linux because they outgrew Windows and the time was right. By now I think you guys could be primary source of Linux users.

    DScratch ,

    Yeah, I’m guilty of this tbh. It’s just the massive unknown of leaving something you’ve been so close to for literally the majority of my life.

    It’s scary!

    imecth ,

    It's little grievances that eventually pile up and one day you'll just have had enough and switch.

    blind3rdeye ,

    Yeah, for me it is the ads. No one likes ads, but I hate ads more than most people. So when Windows started putting more and more ‘recommendations’ into various places… I’ve been building up a list of registry tweaks to turn it all off - but as more ads got added, just couldn’t tolerate it any more. I installed Mint with dual boot (defaulting to Mint). I thought I’d be booting into Window every so often for one reason or another, but as it happens - the only reason I ever loaded Windows was to check that the dual booting was working.

    cosmicrookie ,
    @cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

    Linux can play most games nowadays. You can check if your games are compatible and to what extend they are not here www.protondb.com

    neutron ,

    Why not start today, man? It’s good to practice.

    DScratch ,

    Uncertainty, really.

    What distro works with my setup: 3700x and rtx 4090?

    7U5K3N ,

    Folks will say arch.

    But honestly any modern Linux system with 3rd party drivers will work. Mint pop_os arch Manjaro Debian Ubuntu etc

    I’m running a 1660 and an i5 64xx on kubuntu 24.04 Granted that stuff is older but you’ll have the same experience.

    Unless you’re running the absolute bleeding edge… You’ll not have a lot of problems.

    *Ymmv of course but majority of folks won’t have issues.

    HeyMrDeadMan ,

    The the Arch software repos are incredible and the Arch Wiki is, quite frankly, a work of art that should be celebrated with the same reverence as the Mona Lisa or David’s uncircumcised cock.

    But anyone recommending Arch to a Linux newbie needs a psych evaluation.

    I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve read stories to the effect of, “yeah, a regular package update bricked my desktop, but I just rolled my face across the keyboard and recompiled the offending software and got back to work, no big deal.”

    Cool. I’m so glad you can do that my guy, I really am. But how the hell do you expect average computer user to figure that out? The first time a software update leaves them at a command prompt with some cryptic GDM error message or a Nvidia kernel panic or something, they’re going running back to Billy Gates’ warm walled garden embrace. Shit, I like to think I’m half competent with Linux and I’d shit myself if that happened to me.

    EDIT: Sorry, @7U5K3N, I didn’t nessicarily mean to direct any of that to you specifically, it’s sort of just my standard copy pasta whenever I see Arch reccomded.

    7U5K3N ,

    Haha I agree arch is the meme recommendation. It has its benefits like you’ve detailed out… but it’s not for a windows convert. I’ve ran it, it can require more fiddling than some of the other distros. Tinkering that newbies can’t do.

    Me I’m an apt man. So I tend to suggest distros that center around that package manager… it just so happens that they are some of the newbie ones.

    I once installed mint on my ex father in laws machine and it ran perfectly for ages for him (with auto updates) They were spending $$$s a quarter on windowa system cleanup due to viruses. As he was an online slot machine / junk flash game player. So of course he would get all the viruses. Once he went mint, he had 0 issues (with the os) the issues he had was more user error with online behavior.

    Anyway. No problem for the gruffness of your reply, as I agree with what you’ve said. :)

    Assman ,
    @Assman@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I haven’t touched my Windows PC since the steam deck came out. If you only care about games you don’t need Windows.

    AdamBomb ,

    That was my choice too. I made the jump to Mint earlier this year and couldn’t be happier. It took a little effort to get updated GPU drivers, and my games sometimes need an extra CLI argument added, but those things have been pretty quickly and easily found on the Mint forums, Ubuntu forums, or ProtonDB comments.

    PotatoKat ,

    Give pop-os a try if you’re running an nvidia. It was very much plug and play with my laptop and it works great.

    Moorshou ,

    You made my day!

    Tregetour ,
    @Tregetour@lemdro.id avatar

    If you had any real intention of making the shift, you’d have done so already. Protip: You know I’m right!

    anas ,

    Genuine question, what’s the point of this comment?

    Tregetour ,
    @Tregetour@lemdro.id avatar

    The ‘as soon as Windows 10 can’t x I’m off to Linux!’ refrain is so routine in our circles it’s practically a meme. All someone says when they pontificate like this is that their true priority is can kicking rather than action.

    anas ,

    I feel like someone who likes Win10 and is used to it would want to use it for as long as they can, before having to change to Linux.

    MTK , to technology in Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025
    matmarspace ,

    It will tho ;)

    merthyr1831 ,

    the last functional windows.

    dumpsterlid , (edited )

    Well yes because customers will be sunsetting support for Microsoft products with the end of Windows 10 :P

    I feel like most people at Microsoft must know it and don’t care, the upper execs are either out to lunch or they are pre-emptively throwing away away the consumer desktop market because they just don’t value it anymore for whatever reason.

    I think for the richest and farthest looking powerful people at Microsoft, the desktop battle is over, desktop OS software has become commodified (even though… it hasn’t actually yet by the numbers just by the practicality of the alternatives) and it isn’t worth investing seriously in maintaining their operating system long term as anything but a skin for their particular corporate flavor of Linux.

    Internet Explorer to Edge but repeated with Windows.

    Good riddance I say, but the complete divestment from giving a shit is pretty shocking, I don’t know where they think the on-ramp for customers is going to come from that will bring people fed up with Windows 11 onto friendly Linux distro where they can still use Microsoft software and services. I think it is more likely the bulk of people will just stop using desktop operating systems and…. Microsoft lost the battle to have relevance on mobile years and years ago?

    It is weird because it feels like if Kodak saw the digital photography revolution coming 5-10 years before it happened and pre-emptively gave up on the entire film photography market and started releasing crap film and film related products and invested all their money into R&D for digital cameras… except that because Kodak was by far the biggest player in the film market before Kodak could develop a decent digital camera (if they were ever going to do that) the personnel photography market collapsed, fed up customers left, and there wasn’t a market for Kodak to sell personnel cameras of any type by the time they finally got their shit together to make a good one.

    Digital photography in this metaphor is a consumer computer market where most people run a Linux based FOSS operating system with proprietary Microsoft services bolted on top and thus Microsoft finally can truly tell its customers to fuck off when they demand their operating not be trash (not that linux is trash). Certainly many many people are going this route, the year of the Linux desktop is no longer a joke these days and I am hyped, but it will be nowhere near enough for a company the size of Microsoft.

    Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
    @Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

    monkey’s paw curls a finger

    h14h , to memes in It's so nice to see them all growing, but this is just the truth, sorry.

    This kind of gatekeeping and elitism is bad for Lemmy and for FOSS.

    It makes this community a less welcoming place and leaves new folks with a bad first impression. Much better to be welcoming and let people learn/see the benefits of FOSS at their own pace.

    Poggervania ,
    @Poggervania@kbin.social avatar

    100% agree. Going “haha, aren’t I COOL for NOT using this one popular app or software!?” contributes absolutely nothing and actively makes the community uninviting. I’m all for FOSS, but if a closed-source app is better than the FOSS options, I ain’t gonna knock on anybody for using it.

    Also why even use an app outside of accessibility reasons? Been using Kbin on a mobile browser and it’s been a pretty good experience.

    DigitalPortkey ,

    This is why I unsubscribed from the Android community. I love Android, I use nothing but Linux at home and really appreciate open source software.

    But the FOSS…enthusiasm is starting to border on zealotry. It’s getting really unpleasant.

    Kecessa ,

    Try to tell the Linux users on here that you prefer to use Windows…

    Resistentialism ,

    I had to leave the Linux memes community because I swear nearly every post was shitting on Windows. Yes, I get it. Windows isn’t all that great. But, much like Ios, it just works for what I need. And I haven’t had any issues that weren’t ny fault with it.

    If the game I play most, and the number one reason why i go on my pc, works on Windows, but won’t work on Linux. Which OS is better for me?

    I thought all this software war crap era was over. That was shit I cared about when I was 14 or something. Just let it herself use what they want and explain the benefits of alternatives, only if they care.

    sgtlighttree ,

    I’m surprised they don’t shit on macOS too lol

    LeFantome ,

    I tell myself that I like MacOS as it was my favourite desktop for years. Honestly though, it is the worst of the three at this point.

    rbits ,

    I use Linux as my daily driver, yet I 100% believe Linux is overrated. It’s great if you’re willing to put in the work to get it working well, or maybe if you have someone else to do all your tech support for you, but it’s just not a good option for the majority of people.

    I hate when people keep trying to push it on Windows users, especially when they go on about how “easy” it is. It’s not. And doing that will get people to try it out with high expectations and then get disappointed when they try it out and that’s not the case.

    Rodeo ,

    I honestly feel like people who say this stuff either haven’t tried Linux since 2008 or went straight to Arch.

    I use Manjaro as my daily driver and I never need to fix the system. It really does just work, and these a bunch of disyros out there that do.

    The only thing you might find terrible is trying to run windows programs on Linux, to which I say: dual boot! Even with all the progress Proton, Lutris etc. have made, it’s still way easier to just boot into windows on the occasion you want to play games or whatever.

    rbits ,

    I switched to Linux last year, and I used Linux Mint, which people say is the easiest, and then KDE Neon which I’m still using now, which is definitely way better than Linux Mint but it’s still not easy. I’m fine with it, and I personally prefer it to Windows, but I could never imagine my parents or my friends trying to use it without help.

    dzonc ,

    I’d given up on lemmy because every so I had tried was unfinished and unpolished. I tried sync and finally felt like the user experience wasn’t getting in the way of content.

    I’d love to support foss, if a genuinely comparable experience existed.

    I’m glad to say that sync has revived my interest in lemmy.

    machinaeZER0 ,

    You should check out Thunder, even if you gave it a try at some point - it’s super polished and it’s gotten even better week after week. In my opinion it has the best compact mode of all the lemmy clients, as long as you don’t mind swipe actions!

    xenspidey ,

    Not OP, but I’ve tried thunder. It’s OK. Sync is light years above all other clients I’ve tried. (same with reddit as well) swipe actions? Sync is the king of swipe actions.

    thimantha ,

    I was using Thunder last week until Sync’s open beta got approved and the User Experience and the interface of Thunder is nowhere near Sync. It’s a night and day difference, and a difference that would have made me use Lemmy less and less.

    machinaeZER0 ,

    Thunder is like a month old - it’s still growing and will continue to improve with the community’s help :) if you think anything could be improved, definitely shout it out on the GitHub page!

    thimantha ,

    I understand that it’s new, and it is definitely the best FOSS Lemmy app out of the dozens that I used. But it has a very long way to go to achieve the same level of User Experience that Sync has. It’s not even close and I don’t think anything bar a major UI/UX rehaul could fix that.

    WidowsFavoriteSon ,

    Dozens?? Do tell.

    jerkface ,
    @jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

    FOSS doesn’t need your support. You misunderstand the relationship. FOSS is looking out for you.

    LeFantome ,

    I see the upvotes but I cannot support this comment. FOSS could use a lot more support at every level, including users.

    grrgyle ,

    Username checks out. Wait I know this face from masto - I think I follow you!

    Zalack ,
    @Zalack@startrek.website avatar

    IMO FOSS has really great offerings when it comes to libraries or other highly technical code.

    But something about either the community or incentive structure results in sub-par UI/UX. Obviously not a rule, but definitely a trend I’ve noticed.

    Meloku ,

    Don’t forget the community’s reaction to comments like yours, why down vote him if he’s stating the obvious? FOSS projects often focus so much on technical features because everyone wants to flex their code-fu, but nobody gives enough time to UI/UX. Just look at pretty much every Lemmy web frontend, fugly webpages with early 2000s look-and-feel, usually slow and/or buggy, and with little to no user feedback.

    snor10 ,

    I don’t understand how promoting FOSS in favor of proprietary software is bad for FOSS?

    Meloku ,

    This is not promoting FOSS. This is mocking closed-source/paid Lemmy clients.

    StaySquared ,

    Dood the automod is wild… people getting banned for, “suspicious activity”… and then there’s no way to ask the mods why the ban.

    Rooki ,
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    Btw, the automod is ONLY a service from us, that you are getting notified when something got removed from you. If you mean the @AutoMod

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