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chumbalumber , to showerthoughts in Why don't low birth-rate countries make immigration to their country easier?

This is a part of the SNP’s manifesto already, FYI.

31337 , to showerthoughts in Why don't low birth-rate countries make immigration to their country easier?

Xenophobia and racism, mostly. And yes, it’s a solution to the aging demographic crisis many countries face (at least in the medium-term).

I remember seeing a video of a presentation back in the Bush years by some neo-con group that advocated for immigration to Pentagon or DoD officials or something. The argument for immigration was mostly the same: we have an aging population, so we could integrate immigrants (who are statistically younger) to solve this issue. I didn’t agree much with the broader idea of the presentation though. The broader idea was that there were still some parts of the world not a part of the global U.S.-led hegemony (mostly the middle-east and Africa), and we must spread democracy and capitalism to them. The argument was that globalism/capitalism ensures peace, and that both WWI and WWII happened because globalism was falling apart shortly before those wars. So, to ensure world peace, we need to globalize the entire earth and bring all countries into the the U.S.-led hegemony, even if that means starting wars to spread democracy, lol.

AA5B ,

Good write up! My version was much snarkier.

But other factors include

  • not every country can encourage significant immigration
  • even developing countries have a rapidly dropping birth rate

Some countries, maybe like Japan and South Korea, have low birth rates and a history of discouraging immigration. I’d argue it’s too late for them: you can’t suddenly develop and support a large wave of immigration, especially when most developing populations are doing better, most are seeing lower birth rates. They have a lot of work to do and little chance of succeeding

Other countries, notably China, have a rapidly declining birth and already see the impact, so are just going to discourage emigration. The supply of immigrants will quickly dry up (except refugees)

So for example, the US has a history of significant immigration. We’re already in the scenario of insufficient birth rate to sustain our population but sufficient immigration to keep growing. Maybe I don’t know enough about other countries or I’m falling to some sort of exceptionalism, but to me this boils down to why doesn’t US encourage immigration. We have the easy case: if we can’t figure it out, how can we expect anyone else to.

als , to showerthoughts in Why don't low birth-rate countries make immigration to their country easier?

God, the comments in this thread are nearly all awful

JayEchoRay , to showerthoughts in Why don't low birth-rate countries make immigration to their country easier?
@JayEchoRay@lemmy.world avatar

Tldr:

Having too many cultures that have not established a “market share” in politics makes the, people who run a country, job harder as it has to contend with dealing with the potential of new cultures forming and the inevitable culture clashes that follow as differing values and ideals will demand different things.

It fractures and dilutes points of control which encourages politics to try ensure loyalty though aligning itself with views of the majority.

End tldr

Unironically, Stellaris is probably a decent example of the thought experiment played out. Unless a species is built with ideals of the intergration and/or has its proper foundation set then it can quickly spiral out of hand as you have to deal with " a hunded voices asking for one thing".

It is far easier to control and secure a foundational majority based off of one species as it can be more easily guided towards an established outcome.

Adding too many “outsiders” has the potential to cause an imbalance and a shift in thinking which then requires a new paradigm to “herd the sheep” as it were, while still trying to maintain a standard that the base species has become accustomed to.

If it not carefully controlled, it can potentially lead to a fracturing of opinion and thoughts which is a lot harder to manage and “guide” as one runs the risk of isolating one group and in doing so opening up the potential cascade of problems if the ignored minorities builds up steam which then forces leaders to contend with trying to figure out a way to maintain control over the many species bases while still doing it in a way that causes the least amount of disruption to their control.

people_are_cute , to showerthoughts in Why don't low birth-rate countries make immigration to their country easier?
@people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Why would you voluntarily create a job scarcity in your own population? Immigration reduces wages, increases prices, strains public services and causes overall decrease in Quality of Life.

Just look at the state of the USA with 28% immigrant population.

boonhet ,

Just look at the state of the USA with 28% immigrant population.

Which STILL has the 6th highest GDP per capita (10th if you count tax-haven microstates and overseas territories).

Centuries of mass immigration built the US economy. Y’all are acting like economics is all zero-sum and more people = everyone is poorer, but the amount of jobs doesn’t stay constant as the amount of people increases. The US always had an influx of immigrants to fuel the ever-growing economic machine.

There’s plenty of reasons why a lot of people in the US can’t afford to live in cities, etc. None of it is because of immigration, it’s mostly corporate greed and stupid zoning laws.

people_are_cute ,
@people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

This still won’t apply to most low birth-rate countries like Korea and Japan, where the population densite and job scarcity is already too high.

Fedizen ,

techically the US is like 99% immigrants

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Same for most other American countries

I_Clean_Here ,

The immigrants were not the problem to get the US to the shit state it is in.

That is like saying there is an inverse correlation between the decline in sea-faring pirates and the rising global temperature. Duh.

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Immigration reduces wages, increases prices, strains public services and causes overall decrease in Quality of Life.

So, you’re telling me that immigration is super profitable? Because that’s a recipe for profits

people_are_cute ,
@people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Yes. It is profitable for big corporations. Is this news to you?

Sorgan71 , to lemmyshitpost in gotdamn

Water is wet because people think water is wet.

dwemthy ,

Water is wet when touching water

pipows , to lemmyshitpost in Galaxy S10 til the wheels come off
@pipows@lemmy.today avatar

I abandoned wired earphones before this whole mess with headphone jacks because I grew tired of replacing the every other month because the cable stopped working

Vivendi , to showerthoughts in Why don't low birth-rate countries make immigration to their country easier?

Just add a “… Are they stupid?” To the end of the title, and repost in a shit posting community

01189998819991197253 , to lemmyshitpost in gotdamn
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

Yeah… Neosporin is WAY too weak for this burn. Holy crap hahahahaha

uis ,

Haloperidol is not strong enough

01189998819991197253 ,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

The antipsychotics?

uis ,

When reading shitter?

RememberTheApollo_ , to showerthoughts in Why don't low birth-rate countries make immigration to their country easier?

The low birth rates are a concern because they need the bodies to generate revenue so they can take care of old people who will lean on government services.

Why should you care about population decline? Fewer people are good for the climate, but the economic consequences are severe. In the 1960s, there were six people of working age for every retired person. Today, the ratio is three-to-one. By 2035, it will be two-to-one.

Some say we must learn to curb our obsession with growth, to become less consumer-obsessed, to learn to manage with a smaller population. That sounds very attractive. But who will buy the stuff you sell? Who will pay for your healthcare and pension when you get old?

weforum.org/…/birthrates-declining-globally-why-m…

Ok, so what does that have to do with your question…

What age group tends to be the biggest voting bloc, the most xenophobic, the most nationalistic…? Old people. Get those foreign people off my lawn, keep those foreign drug dealers, thieves, and layabouts out of my country.

Then there’s exploitation of foreign labor to undercut wages and work rules of citizens of the country the labor is being imported into.

I’m sure there’s more, but basically it’s a hefty dose of xeonphobia and nationalism along with groups not wanting to literally lose jobs to someone who will do it for a lot less.

Persen , to lemmyshitpost in gotdamn

Well, both were wrong about one thing.

Siegfried , to showerthoughts in Why don't low birth-rate countries make immigration to their country easier?

Oh boy, you need so much stellaris /s

son_named_bort , to lemmyshitpost in gotdamn

The gales of November came early this year.

MacNCheezus , to lemmyshitpost in gotdamn
@MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

Since the latter doesn’t follow from the former, refuting the first point doesn’t automatically refute the second. Nice try, Lake Superior, but you might want to brush up on formal logic.

afraid_of_zombies , to showerthoughts in Why don't low birth-rate countries make immigration to their country easier?

Why don’t fat people hit the gym and eat salad?

letsgo ,

Because salad is boring and fat-shaming is the last kind of bullying still considered acceptable.

I was out on my bike the other day and someone yelled “YOU FAT BASTARD”. Fortunately I’m pretty thick skinned and have lined up a few choice remarks for next time.

Imagine if fat had been replaced with black, or Chinese, or gay, etc. They’d be in jail for committing a hate crime quicker than I could get to the nearest Greggs.

people_are_cute ,
@people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

They’d be in jail for committing a hate crime quicker than I could get to the nearest Greggs.

No they wouldn’t. Shouting slurs is shitty but not a punishable offence. Touch grass and hit the gym you fatso.

lath ,

Oh feck off. Most gyms are mostly predatory money grab schemes.

Better to reduce your sugar intake and focus on physical activity with practical effects. Clean your house, do some gardening, volunteer in the community, play some sport you actually like. Gyms are for losers!

people_are_cute ,
@people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I can visualize the person who wrote this and I don’t like what I see.

lath ,

Found one! youtu.be/3UC96g1A4Nc?si=flhQFO6kuB9wUj7T

Stop wasting time at the gym! Go build a house for the homeless instead!

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

But being fat is not the same as being black. People do not get sick and die 30 years earlier because they are black, for instance. People are black not because they ignore physical exercises and eat too much. I don’t support bullying, but acting like this is a normal condition that we should cherish is wrong.

Fedizen ,

People do die 30 years earlier because they’re black - thats often how racism works…

Imo how do we know what “normal” is and has that been the case for the last 1000 years? The Japanese have employed sumo wrestlers to serve in a sport, for instance. I think its fair to say fat shaming is a more modern phenomena that’s occurred more recently as high calorie low nutrition food became mass produced and microplastics have accumulated in all our bodies.

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

Did you equate health issues caused by lack of physical activity and excessive eating to racism? I can’t even… Okay, if you want to ignore all the medical and scientific evidence, ignore them. It is your body and you are the one to face the consequences.

Natanael ,

This was in a conversation about what kind of abusive behavior is acceptable. Do you think it’s also acceptable to be mean to athletes because they too cause damage to their own bodies?

Fedizen ,

Did you equate

No, I was correcting YOUR comparison. I think shaming racists is quite good, while shaming fat people is misguided.

ignore all the medical and scientific evidence

The point here is that our value judgements about health aren’t medical or scientific. Risky behavior isn’t universally frowned upon by society. Often its encouraged.

In the US, for instance, automobile accidents are a lead cause of death for people under 35, yet we don’t treat driving with the same disdain as smoking or obesity. As far as “lack of physical activity” goes, car accidents represent a major source of injuries, which do make people less able to keep up healthy lifestyles. Yet again, little disdain.

Smoking is a great comparison here, because if you want to take the medical literature seriously you can’t just handle it from the consumer end, you also have to deal with industries that employ swaths of food scientists to make bad food addictive and cheap.

All in all, I do think we could benefit from thinking about why we shame people for things and ask ourselves if we’re applying these judgements in a consistent way.

AA5B ,

I’m pretty thick skinned

The generally acceptable response is “I’m just big boned”

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