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conditional_soup , to til in TIL the term Redneck likely originated from the sunburned red neck of those working in fields.

I thought it had something to do with union membership, something about red handkerchiefs.

huginn ,

That’s one of the reasons it was popularized - coal miner unions wearing red bandanas. But late 19th century usage appears to be sunburnt workers.

conditional_soup ,

Interesting. It’s kind of interesting, but in the battle of Blair mountain, there’s definitely some hints that there were already communist and anti-communist sentiments at work. I wonder if the red bandanas were a nod to communism.

someguy3 OP , (edited )

Wiki says:

A citation from 1893 provides a definition as “poorer inhabitants of the rural districts … men who work in the field, as a matter of course, generally have their skin stained red and burnt by the sun, and especially is this true of the back of their necks”.[12] … By 1900, “rednecks” was in common use to designate the political factions inside the Democratic Party comprising poor white farmers in the South.[14]

Coal miners

The term “redneck” in the early 20th century was occasionally used in reference to American coal miner union members who wore red bandanas for solidarity.

Looks like sunburn predates coal miners.

conditional_soup ,

Oh, both, cool!

someguy3 OP ,

Well it’s possible the coal miners choose red afterwards in solidarity with farmers.

Greg ,
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I wouldn’t take that as gospel giving the single reference for that claim and the discussion for that article en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Redneck

someguy3 OP , (edited )

I mean to have an actual citation from 1893 that provides a written out definition is huge. These things are around for a good bit before making their way into documentation.

Reading through the talk, many people say coal and then provide links that come far after 1893.

Greg ,
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The Wikipedia article doesn’t link to a 1893 citation. It links for a single paywalled article to make that claim. This sounds like an urban legend loop that seems to make sense until examined.

blindbunny ,

This was an extension of that. Unionist coal miners didn’t have red necks (because they work under ground) so they would wear red handkerchiefs to show solidarity with farm hands.

This is the history that capitalist removed from history books. That and white washing The Black Panthers, American Indian Movement and The Rainbow coalition.

John_McMurray ,

Nah, that’s just a fish story a certain type likes to tell.

ogmios , to til in TIL the term Redneck likely originated from the sunburned red neck of those working in fields.
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The entire reason it became an insult was because of wealthy urbanites disparaging the working class.

FinalRemix ,

Look how PaLe I aM! laughs foppishly

Crackhappy ,
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Downright ghostly, my dear.

Lost_My_Mind ,

You just reminded me of that news blooper.

“I so pale…” “you’re on…” first news reporter starts the news report as if nothing happened, while the second one stiffles giggles

I swear they both give of a Pam Beasley vibe. So two Pams, and they have a Pam/Jim vibe with each other, and one is “so pale”.

downpunxx ,

the reason it remained that way is because they're fucking racists (mostly)

kbal ,
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Whatever you call the kind of bigotry your comment represents it's no better. Thank you for reminding us all that it's still around.

grue ,

Being “bigoted” against racists is infinitely better than being racist. Moral-relativist false equivalences can fuck all the way off.

kbal ,
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I am talking about being bigoted against "rednecks" who are mostly no more racist than everyone else. I grew up in redneck territory and support those who reclaim it as a label of pride.

edgemaster72 ,
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Interesting, I read that comment as referring to the wealthy urbanites as mostly racist

kbal ,
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Doesn't seem likely to me, but it's a good thought.

Texas_Hangover ,

Do they call you downpunxx because you go down on every swinging dick within half a mile?

NikkiDimes ,

Found the redneck, guys

Duamerthrax ,

You think the rich isn’t? Mostly Classist, but there’s quite a few Racists too.

phoneymouse ,

Did you know the invention of lawns was also a way to flaunt that you were wealthy enough to have unfarmed land?

AnUnusualRelic ,
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And to pay an army of people to take care of the stupid lawn.

azertyfun ,

Uh, they originally weren’t paid. They were paid for.

scytale ,

I hate lawns so much, but there’s no other option unless you go for a townhouse/condo, which are more expensive in my area because of the great location. Why would anyone want to use and pay for extra water, then mow and trim every other week, for a patch of grass that doesn’t provide any benefit as a plant.

PlantDadManGuy ,

You ever try to play catch with a football on a “natural cactus desert landscape yard”?

lettruthout , to asklemmy in Greensleeves is almost 500 years old. I'm sure there were other very popular songs when it came out, but Greensleeves had to staying power to still be here. What do you think is today's Greensleeves?

What? “Baby Shark” hasn’t been mentioned here yet?

MacroCyclo ,

It’s been a day camp classic for at least one generation.

mindbleach ,

Wow. I’d managed to forget how much I despised singing at camp.

fubo , to asklemmy in Greensleeves is almost 500 years old. I'm sure there were other very popular songs when it came out, but Greensleeves had to staying power to still be here. What do you think is today's Greensleeves?

How many 1700s drinking songs does anyone know the tune of today? Well, there’s “To Anacreon in Heaven”, better known as “The Star Spangled Banner”.

“Aura Lee” is from the 1860s, but the tune is better known today as Elvis’s “Love Me Tender”.

Ensign_Crab ,

The guy who put that high note in a drinking song is one of my favorite humans.

mindbleach ,

Dirty Maggie Mae, they have taken her away!

sparky ,
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Coincidentally, Elvis’ is only the second best song titled “Love Me Tender”. Nothing could ever be better than this absolute, uh, masterpiece

youtu.be/slGLYt3--GY

cygnus , to asklemmy in Greensleeves is almost 500 years old. I'm sure there were other very popular songs when it came out, but Greensleeves had to staying power to still be here. What do you think is today's Greensleeves?
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Define “today”? My first pick would be Yesterday, but that’s about 60 years old already.

anothermember ,

On the scale of Greensleeves, I would suggest Yesterday is today.

shinigamiookamiryuu , to asklemmy in Greensleeves is almost 500 years old. I'm sure there were other very popular songs when it came out, but Greensleeves had to staying power to still be here. What do you think is today's Greensleeves?

While not what one would think of when they think of songs that survive hundreds of years from now, the only song I can think of that’s not a folk song that’s both archived and hummable (and actually has a tune, so that excludes pop songs)… is the Pokémon theme song. Go up to anyone and say in tune that you wanna be the very best and someone’s gonna ask “like no one ever was”.

artichokecustard ,

i have this thing where when i’m focused, but switching tasks, i’ll click my tongue but it’s always the tune of nick nick nick n’nick nick nick o lo dea onnn

Tolookah ,

You need more Nick. One before n’nick and one after.

Source: I kinda still want to go to space camp.

fubo ,

Orange you glad …

buh , to asklemmy in Greensleeves is almost 500 years old. I'm sure there were other very popular songs when it came out, but Greensleeves had to staying power to still be here. What do you think is today's Greensleeves?
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the entertainer by scott joplin

milkisklim ,

I say this with the deepest respect for the King of Ragtime, but Joplin has been dead for over a century now.

DrBob , to asklemmy in Greensleeves is almost 500 years old. I'm sure there were other very popular songs when it came out, but Greensleeves had to staying power to still be here. What do you think is today's Greensleeves?

Happy Birthday has the kind of universal recognition you’d be looking for. Maybe in 300 years there’ll be a lyrical shift towards something more interesting. I know multiple versions of Greensleeves. The Cuckoo is the other song that I can think of with a long history. The wiki article doesn’t fully capture it. I’ll stick something in here later.https://…wikipedia.org/…/The_Cuckoo_(song)

blackbrook ,

Happy Birthday owes it’s place to function. I don’t think anybody actually enjoys it as music.

taiyang ,

My 2 year old begs to differ!

alyth ,

You just dug up the rap song Happy Birthday by Flipsyde ft. Piper from the depths of my memory after it had been buried for 14 years.

sir_pronoun , to asklemmy in Greensleeves is almost 500 years old. I'm sure there were other very popular songs when it came out, but Greensleeves had to staying power to still be here. What do you think is today's Greensleeves?

“I like to f*ck” by Tila Tequila.

Essentially the same lyrics, even.

Melatonin OP ,

It’s it a hummer?

mo_lave , to asklemmy in Greensleeves is almost 500 years old. I'm sure there were other very popular songs when it came out, but Greensleeves had to staying power to still be here. What do you think is today's Greensleeves?
Fixbeat ,

So, 500 years from now people will still be doing this?

Feathercrown ,

I can see it

Melatonin OP ,

I want to click, but I don’t want to click

cygnus ,
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XcQ, link stays blue

NickwithaC ,
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Well, green.

datavoid ,

Damn the Voyager app, no way to view link contents

TokenBoomer ,

He shoots, he scores!

givesomefucks , to asklemmy in Greensleeves is almost 500 years old. I'm sure there were other very popular songs when it came out, but Greensleeves had to staying power to still be here. What do you think is today's Greensleeves?

I always forget there was a real historical figure and assume Greensleeves is Gull’s little sister from those old Magic books.

Not sure how well they hold up, but like 25 years ago Arena and the Greensleeves trilogy seemed like the best books ever.

John_McMurray , to til in TIL about de la Chapelle syndrome where people with XX chromosomes are born with traditionally masculine organs & presentation. Usually those with the trait are unaware they have XX chromosomes at all

Organs aren’t fucking traditional, there’s no choice there (well at least not initially)

FlyingSquid , to til in TIL about de la Chapelle syndrome where people with XX chromosomes are born with traditionally masculine organs & presentation. Usually those with the trait are unaware they have XX chromosomes at all
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dream_weasel , to til in TIL about de la Chapelle syndrome where people with XX chromosomes are born with traditionally masculine organs & presentation. Usually those with the trait are unaware they have XX chromosomes at all

“traditionally masculine organs”

Hotzilla ,

Like we call it in the Internet: dick and balls

zeroday , to til in TIL about de la Chapelle syndrome where people with XX chromosomes are born with traditionally masculine organs & presentation. Usually those with the trait are unaware they have XX chromosomes at all

Oh look, it’s me! I found out a few years ago that I have De La Chapelle syndrome. I’m actually a trans woman though and not a guy, so I consider it a bonus rather than a downside since it made me have very little testosterone growing up.

NOT_RICK ,
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I’m sure it’s fun when some chud says “bIoLogY iS BioLOgY” and you get to say “I actually have two X chromosomes”.

zeroday ,

OMG yes it is - it’s especially fun to tell it to TERFs who are all “but muh chromosomes”

Grandwolf319 , (edited )

Yeah but having two X chromosomes makes you infertile (I actually didn’t know that, just looked it up).

So imo that’s not a strong argument since you could say well two X male is not a “healthy male”.

NOT_RICK ,
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There are plenty of infertile XY males that nobody bothers to call fake men, I don’t see how that argument holds any water.

nickwitha_k ,

That’s a Mr/Mrs Garrison from South Park take right there.

match ,
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we don’t usually evaluate someone’s fertility as part of their gender

Snowclone ,

Gender being a social construct makes defining it very wonky. This question the right is always asking to ‘‘define what a woman is’’ is really easy to fuck up. Is it chromozones? There is FAR more than two chromosomal makeups, in advanced lab classes that learn to test for chromosomal makeup, students are forbidden to test themselves, any classmate, and any family, because it’s almost certain that one of those people will not be XX or XY, it’s not that uncommon. So chromosomal sexing necessitates more than one gender, or rather fluid gender identity. It’s it the sex organs? Oh no, you won’t like this one, is it functioning sex organs or just any? What do we do with intersex people? They can’t fit into one category by definition, then there’s men who have kids, who think of themselves as men, who find out they have a uterus! And its mentrating! What to do what to do. There’s a lot of men with half testicle half ovary sex organs, are they men? Well not if we go by sex organs now you need a bigger section of category because sex organs don’t fit into two columns, it’s far more complicated. So what do we do! general anatomy? Modern human biologists have a lot of data saying there’s such a thing as a male typical brain, and a female typical brain, how fun! Maybe that will work, sure, but now you have to accept there literally are women trapped in male bodies and vis versa. So again, you need to be fluid with your gender definitions.

Every single metric biological data can provide all point to the same truth, there are not two simple columns where humans can be neatly placed that won’t cause a lot of people to be miserable, misunderstood, or maligned for not fitting either concept.

Basic biology is clear. We are a VERY complicated species.

So let’s just look at anthropology. Did any human civilizations NOT have two genders? Yeah A LOT of them. And even today we have examples. Anciently, Hebrews had 9 genders I think? Jesus mentions 5 genders. He dosen’t seem to have any problem with them existing either. Well… it looks like we’re not the first people to find out that binary gender isn’t the only option.

zeroday ,

IMO being infertile is a plus - can’t accidentally have any kids, and can’t be coerced into doing so.

Fedizen ,

well given the amount of microplastics in balls and forever chemicals in blood, I’m not sure most people can call themselves truly “healthy”

Omniraptor , (edited )

Have you looked into whether people with the condition are more likely to be LGBT? I get the feeling like it could be linked

zeroday ,

Last time I looked there wasn’t anything particularly associated with being queer, but the sample set of people who both have this and know that they do is pretty small so who knows! Could be, and we could just be missing the data. Or they could both be correlated with some other factor

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