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Pulptastic , to til in TIL there is no original TI-84 as the TI-84 Plus was an upgrade (like iPhone 14 to 13) to the TI-83 Plus

Where’s my TI-86 plus?

gt24 , to til in TIL there is no original TI-84 as the TI-84 Plus was an upgrade (like iPhone 14 to 13) to the TI-83 Plus

There is a website of a person who catalogs Texas Instruments calculators. You can wonder over to the graphing calculator section to see how many different graphing calculators they made along with a bit of information on each one.

datamath.org

can ,

I love websites like this.

ShepherdPie ,

That’s web 1.0. Many of us had sites like this on Geocities and Tripod back in the day.

I absolutely love them too because they’re so content dense where as today this would be a 15 item list where you had to click a new page to see each one while reading several paragraphs of what sounds like the most generic, 6th-grade book report on each one “The TI-84 is a calculator. Many people use calculators to do math…”

can ,

I love that you can tell they’re a product of passion. Someone was just really into something and wanted to share the info with the world. There’s something beautiful about that.

rockSlayer , to til in TIL there is no original TI-84 as the TI-84 Plus was an upgrade (like iPhone 14 to 13) to the TI-83 Plus

So what you’re saying is that we’ve been dealing with shitty naming schemes in tech for decades?

Aatube OP ,

Destroy TI's walled garden!

Static_Rocket ,
@Static_Rocket@lemmy.world avatar

If only you knew what they’ve been doing to the embedded devices lately…

Gabu ,

Although they’re mostly well known for their music instruments, Casio makes good calculators.

Aatube OP ,

I wonder when Yamaha will get into da biz.

Chozo ,

[Sony has entered the chat]

rockSlayer ,

They got it right with PlayStation. Sony’s other product lines should take notes

Chozo ,

Ever try shopping for Sony earbuds? I feel like the model names are a riddle that the consumer needs to solve before they can buy.

nogooduser ,

The phones are mental too.

The Xperia range have a model number to denote the different models (similar to Samsung’s S and A) and a version number so if you say the phone’s full name it’s the Xperia 10 5 but the version number is in Roman numerals so it’s written Xperia 10 V, Xperia 5 IV, Xperia 1 V etc.

UltraMagnus0001 ,

wfxm100000mk4

0ops ,

Lol I’m pretty sure I have those headphones

ShepherdPie ,

I use these when I game on my Nintendo DS 3DS XL and have an adaptor to use a USB Type C 3.2 Gen 2x2 cable for easier connectivity.

MonkderDritte , to til in TIL there is no original TI-84 as the TI-84 Plus was an upgrade (like iPhone 14 to 13) to the TI-83 Plus

Why did it have no GPS?

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Because that would have eaten into their price gouging. In the age of the iPhone, Texas Instruments was able to charge upwards of $100 for a Zilog Z80 powered nothing machine because they’re quasi mandatory for high school and college students.

Aatube OP ,

I bought my TI 36X Pro at $20.

ShepherdPie ,

I paid over $100 for my TI-84 in like 2012 almost 40 years after this basic ass hardware was created.

Gabu ,

My Casio FX82 calculator got me through two degrees and cost me $15

TopRamenBinLaden ,

I figured out you could emulated the TI-84 plus on a smartphone for free, around 2012. I just used that for my college math class, but it probably would’ve been harder to get away with in a high school class.

strawberry , to til in TIL there is no original TI-84 as the TI-84 Plus was an upgrade (like iPhone 14 to 13) to the TI-83 Plus

are there any applications for calculators anymore? I feel like since everything can be done on our phones or computers, what's the point of a dedicated piece of hardware that's generally inferior?

Chozo ,

what's the point of a dedicated piece of hardware that's generally inferior?

Focus/concentration, kinda like how George R R Martin writes on an old DOS computer to eliminate distractions while writing (bad example for expediting work, I know). Still requires you to do a lot of the heavy lifting, which instills knowledge for the future.

There's also an element of trust; schools generally trust Texas Instruments that their products do math correctly (you'd be surprised how many calculators don't), the same cannot be said for MegaPower Graphing Calculator Pro (Ad-Free Premium) off of the Play Store.

nokturne213 ,

I use a calculator at work, i could use the one in my phone. I like using my calculator though.

Voyajer ,
@Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

I have an HP prime I use at home and work. I also have the app that is identical on my phone, but I am much faster with the physical buttons on the actual calculator. Before I had my HP prime I had a TI 84+ silver and a TI 84+ emulator on my phone with similar experiences.

whoreticulture ,

What is your job?

ShepherdPie ,

A traveling calculator salesman.

Bezier ,
@Bezier@suppo.fi avatar

What do you mean generally inferior?

It has physical buttons, no distractions, and the batteries last forever compared to a phone.

Daefsdeda ,

Except when you put it in “exam mode” and the LED stays lit until the battery dies.

elbarto777 ,

Inferior hardware doesn’t mean inferior performance. Phones do much more than calculators, and calculators just calculate.

Pacemaker hardware is a million times less powerful than mobile phone hardware. But I trust it more to keep the heart going.

Aatube OP ,

taking tests

MonkderDritte ,

They last longer and are easier to handle in rough work.

IndiBrony , to til in TIL there is no original TI-84 as the TI-84 Plus was an upgrade (like iPhone 14 to 13) to the TI-83 Plus
@IndiBrony@lemmy.world avatar

But does it play Doom?

Blaster_M ,

Yes

deo ,

Some kid in middle school put mario on my TI-83. The buttons were not ergonomic at all, but it was cool. I also wrote my first ever script on the thing; it solved the quadratic equation.

EssentialCoffee ,

We all played a game called Drug Wars. It was text based.

Romkslrqusz ,

Hobo Wars and Bubble Boy were my jam

AngryCommieKender ,

That and “Redneck Rampage.” The point of the game was to get a 100% BAC

root_beer ,

I did that back in the ‘90s on a TI-85 while everyone else in my class was sideloading Tetris onto their fancy TI-86es and laughing at my poor ass; iirc there was already a function built in for solving polynomials though so not only was I a poor loser, but I also wasted my time

Carighan ,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

The TI-92 II we had in school sure did.

0ops ,

I have fruit ninja on my ti-83. You swipe across the buttons to slice. It’s surprisingly not as awful as you’d expect

jaybone , to til in TIL there is no original TI-84 as the TI-84 Plus was an upgrade (like iPhone 14 to 13) to the TI-83 Plus

I had one of these ti-84s.

I also had their “stat” one, it was like a ti-34 or something. It was way easier to use for probability stuff, and parenthesis and plugging in variables to simple polynomials.

Dkarma , to til in TIL there is no original TI-84 as the TI-84 Plus was an upgrade (like iPhone 14 to 13) to the TI-83 Plus

Iircc the next level up was the TI 92 which could solve linear equations for you by default which was why they don’t let you use it on standard tests. Also cuz the Ti8x line can be quickly reset.

nezbyte ,

The TI-92 wasn’t allowed on standardized tests due to the qwerty keyboard layout making it be classified as a computer device in the US. The TI-89 has the same CAS functionality as a TI-92 Plus, but in a standardized test approved physical form factor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI-89_series?wprov=sfti1#United_States

user1234 , to til in TIL there is no original TI-84 as the TI-84 Plus was an upgrade (like iPhone 14 to 13) to the TI-83 Plus

Got an OG TI-83 when it first came out as an upgrade to my TI-82 circa 1997. Still use my 83 regularly.

CraigeryTheKid , to til in TIL there is no original TI-84 as the TI-84 Plus was an upgrade (like iPhone 14 to 13) to the TI-83 Plus

thank you for reminding my to take out the dead batteries from my Ti-86 before they leak!

still have it next to my desk… since 1997 or so.

haui_lemmy , to til in TIL about "Swill milk" where cows were fed distillery waste causing cow teeth rot and disease. It was also adulterated with raw eggs, burn sugar, etc. Swill milk lead to over 8,000 infant's deaths

An thats why I support anti speciesism.

Studies from 2015 and 2019 suggest that people who support animal exploitation also tend to endorse racist, sexist, and other prejudicial views, which furthers the beliefs in human supremacy and group dominance to justify systems of inequality and oppression.

ieatpillowtags ,

🙄

haui_lemmy ,

I‘d love to see humans being treated like they treat those they think of as lesser, just for one day.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA ,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe it’s because I used to live near a prison, and I had to go to the same hospital prisoners would in emergencies, but when did humans stop treating other humans like that?

haui_lemmy ,

Prisons are a great example how vile the human species can be. Not the people in there but those enforcing prisons.

social hierarchy is a relict like cannibalism and incest.

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

If you think prisons are bad, wait till you learn about factory farms

haui_lemmy ,

You mean like in the book “eating animals”? I still have the pictures in front of my inner eye from being told some lines from the book. Its grueling.

DarthFrodo ,

Haven’t you been told that we don’t talk about that kind of oppression here? Everyone knows that mistreatment of humans is bad, but mistreatment of animals is just how things are supposed to be. They are just lesser beings after all, and such kind of thinking hasn’t lead to anything bad in history, so it’s not at all problematic.

Progressivism is about fighting oppression when it suits you, and meat is just soo convenient. The mega corps promised that nothing bad is happening there, so praise the factory farms!

haui_lemmy ,

Your sarcasm is so subtle that it took me a while to understand. Thanks for chiming in. I dont get why people downvote me for saying animals should be treated fairly (yes, as fairly as humans).

DarthFrodo ,

That’s probably because you criticized their behavior (in a rather provocative way), which is often perceived as hostile and leads to downvotes.

haui_lemmy ,

I’m autistic so pardon my ignorance but when did I criticize anyone? I literally said An thats why I support anti speciesism. and llinked an article and quoted it. You know, the thing that therapists show you: lead by example, send “me” messages as in say what you (would) do instead of criticizing the behavior of someone else. I’m genuinely baffled. Can you elaborate?

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

People often react badly when you show them a mirror to their own hypocrisy. It causes a psychological disturbance called cognitive dissonance.

Please keep doing it.

haui_lemmy ,

Ok… thanks, I guess. :) I didnt recognize i did it. Did I mention I was beaten up in school a lot. The reason was mostly this but I dont get it. If you tell me my opinion is trash I usually check if I went wrong, no harm in that.

Anyway, have a nice day or night.

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

You’re not trash and nothing you did was the reason you were beaten up. Its the fault of the oppressors, never the victim of oppression

haui_lemmy ,

Thats very nice of you to day. Thanks :)

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Lol people coping with cognitive dissonance via downvoting

howrar ,

Perceived ad-hominem from your quote which implies that you are racist and sexist if you eat meat.

haui_lemmy ,

My first instinct is to make another joke and say “So a warped perception? They should get that checked. Might be something serious.” but everyone would probably hate me even more for it.

The idea I had was that “exploitation” is the issue. Imho the reason why we shouldnt kill and eat other humans is because our society would seize to function and humans I assume dont taste good, not because its less ethical than killing an animal. if you have to kill to survive, I assume thats not exploitation. I dont even take issue with eating meat for nutrient reasons every now and then. I take issue with keeping animals in small pens for a short and miserable life and feel no shame at all about it. Thats what I find disgusting. And it translates to other humans (immigrants, disabled, mentally ill, women, etc.). Thats why I say we should change our view of that.

Does it make sense now?

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

I dont know why you assume humans taste worse that other animals.

howrar ,

We supposedly taste like veal according to Google. I don’t know how they determined this though.

haui_lemmy ,

Modern humans are very fatty and highly stressed. I hate fatty meat and stress makes the meat taste bad. Not to talk about all the toxins they ingest. Even if they dont taste bad, I’m kinda over eating junkfood.

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Ok, so just eat the rich then

haui_lemmy ,

Obviously but bot for nutrition. Think about all the botox and plastic parts they can afford. Eww

howrar ,

Yeah, your take makes perfect sense to me. I’m just letting you know why your original message gets interpreted negatively even by people who would otherwise agree with your message.

Take a minute to think about it. What’s the intention behind quoting this specific passage instead of another? Is it a continuation of your first statement and you’re providing this as the reason you support anti-speciesism (i.e. that you’re not racist/sexist)? Or are you trying to tell others that they’re racist/sexist for being specieist? Or are they completely disjoint and you just wanted to share a fun fact? Or maybe you intended something completely different? But I can’t think of how else to interpret it, so if that’s the case, you’d have to elaborate.

haui_lemmy ,

Thanks for elaborating. It was very helpful. My autistic brain works in weird ways. My intention is to tell people “please read about this and consider joining the movement because we need to change things or we will perish.” or something like that. I didnt mean to say anyone is anything really. It was just a good point that the article made imo. “look at this compelling argument” for example.

Maybe I should ask that I dont have this dimension of “someone does something that is not directly related to me but means me with it.” This has caused me intense trouble because other people do have it, apparently. Its how social hierarchy is often negotiated iirc. Does that make sense?

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

No, you’re speciest if you eat animals. And that’s just as bad as being sexist or racist

Feathercrown ,

You make a good point but equating mistreatment of different humans with mistreatment of a different species entirely is a false equivalence.

DarthFrodo ,

I wouldn’t say they’re equivalent. Obviously beating a fly isn’t as bad as beating a dog or a pig. But is beating a human much worse than beating a dog? For me it comes down to capacity to suffer I guess.

Feathercrown ,

That’s much more reasonable. I think I’d agree.

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Found the speciesist

Feathercrown ,

Yeah. There are demonstrable and fundamental differences between species, so they should be treated differently.

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

That’s exactly what eugenicists said in the US, Germany, and elsewhere

Feathercrown ,

It’s also what farmers say when they decide to grow plants, and what racists say when they decide to be racist, and what lawmakers say about different types of vehicles, and what mathematicians say about true and false proofs, and what dieticians say about dinner and desert. “These two things aren’t the same and that should be taken into account” is such a universal concept that using any one example to push your agenda against me is laughable, even if sometimes people use it to be evil.

masquenox , to til in TIL about "Swill milk" where cows were fed distillery waste causing cow teeth rot and disease. It was also adulterated with raw eggs, burn sugar, etc. Swill milk lead to over 8,000 infant's deaths

Sooo… just capitalism working as designed.

Skullgrid ,
@Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

Gotta get rid of those regulations so we can have people drinking swill milk again.

CHARLESTON, W.Va. (WSAZ) – In the weeks after passing a bill, allowing West Virginians to drink raw milk, one delegate brought the drink in to celebrate and, eventually, several lawmakers have gotten sick.

Cethin ,

I don’t totally disagree with raw milk, but it shouldn’t be allowed to be destributed. If you go to a local farm and pick up some milk that hasn’t been pasteurized, that seems reasonable, and honestly a lot better than the current system.

Skullgrid ,
@Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

Doesn’t matter, my point is without regulations, you’re back to swill milk.

I think raw milk should be available to buy , as a niche product that is labelled correctly so people understand how to process it safely.

The “fuck regulations” crowd want it legal so the farmers/businesses have no obligation for food safety, thus, back to swill milk.

roguetrick , (edited )

I don't think raw milk should be available to buy except directly on a farm. Yes, we have refrigeration now and you can TB test the cows regularly but there is zero reason to go back to the times of listeria and tuberculosis killing and disabling children just because someone read some nonsense on the Internet.

Skullgrid ,
@Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

sure , why not. Maybe you know better than me and those idiots who tried to force it to be legal.

I don’t particularly care that much either way, but was leaning on the side of the people that want to make weird homemade dairy products.

Evil_Shrubbery ,

Yeah, if can sell shit it’s a successful business & brave owners should be rewarded with profits not because of contributions to society but purely on what they could push out. However, suffering and death seems to add that extra bit of flavour to profit that we humans must obviously enjoy very much. Its fair to assume that because we really are naturally talented in not just inventing but also realising & mass producing horror beyond human imagining.

unpoetical , to til in TIL about "Swill milk" where cows were fed distillery waste causing cow teeth rot and disease. It was also adulterated with raw eggs, burn sugar, etc. Swill milk lead to over 8,000 infant's deaths

Got Swill?

jpreston2005 , to til in TIL about "Swill milk" where cows were fed distillery waste causing cow teeth rot and disease. It was also adulterated with raw eggs, burn sugar, etc. Swill milk lead to over 8,000 infant's deaths

Frank Leslie’s exposé caused widespread public outrage and local politicians were strongly pressured to punish and regulate the distillery-dairies, which were formally complained to be “swill milk nuisance”.[9] The Tammany Hall politician Alderman Michael Tuomey, known as “Butcher Mike”, defended the distillers vigorously throughout the scandal—in fact, he was put in charge of the Board of Health investigation. Frank Leslie’s Illustrated Newspaper staked out distillery owner Bradish Johnson’s mansion at 21st and Broadway, and reported that in the midst of the investigation, Tuomey was observed making late night visits.

Tuomey assumed a central role in the ensuing investigations, and, with fellow Aldermen E. Harrison Reed and William Tucker, shielded the dairies and turned the hearings into one-sided exercises designed to make dairy critics and established health authorities look ridiculous, even going to the extent of arguing that swill milk was actually as good or better for children than regular milk.[9] With Reed and others, Tuomey successfully blocked any serious inquiry into the dairies and stymied calls for reform. The Board of Health exonerated the distillers, but public outcry led to the passage of the first food safety laws in the form of milk regulations in 1862.[10]

Tuomey became known for his attempts to block the new regulations, and earned the new moniker “Swill Milk” Tuomey.[11] In addition to Tuomey’s assistance in clearing up the unclean image milk developed, Robert Milham Hartley, a social reformist, aided in the restoration of milk being a nutritional and safe-to-drink beverage. During the mid to late nineteenth century, Hartley utilized Biblical references in his essays to appeal to the urban community. He asserted that universal milk consumption could help alleviate society’s “sins”, poverty, and alcohol consumption.

Dang so they had soulless knuckle-dragging politicians then too

telllos , to til in TIL about "Swill milk" where cows were fed distillery waste causing cow teeth rot and disease. It was also adulterated with raw eggs, burn sugar, etc. Swill milk lead to over 8,000 infant's deaths

There is a behind the bastard episode where they talk about milk. I think the one aboud FDA. It’s really disgusting.

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