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HubertManne ,

"Days later, Tam reversed his decision and decided that Li had a case to answer, saying it was the defence who must bear the burden of proof, not the prosecution."

Holy crap. You could be accused of anything and if you can't prove its a lie then bye bye.

HughJanus ,

Guess what? We have that in the US too. It’s called civil asset forfeiture. Only your property is on trial and you have to prove it wasn’t used to commit a crime.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Yup, and we should 100% abolish that nonsense. And while we’re at it, let’s abolish qualified immunity as well.

astral_avocado ,
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Surprised the admins let this stay up despite it’s “orientalism” (aka not supporting CCP fascism)

MaxVoltage ,
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😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 your the fascist buddy you can upload wbatever soros overlord stuff you want buddy

astral_avocado ,
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Who’s Soros?

redtea ,

That’s not quite what orientalism means. It’s not just ‘concerning China/Chinese’, even negatively. Orientalism would be saying that this protestor had a right to play his music because Chinese people are naturally musical. Or something like that.

The case itself raises some interesting issues, such as the internal contradictions within liberal rights and the contradiction of relying on those rights in a place that sits between liberalism and anti-liberalism. The problems arising from the latter might lead to orientalist statements as the result (whatever the result) may be confused for something arising from ethnicity rather than politics.

freagle ,

It should also raise the interesting issue of what it means for Hong Kong to have glory. Hong Kong’s long illustrious history is through its participation in China. This protest song is about Hong Kong separatism, which is based in the very short and terrible history of British domination and occupation which was predicated entirely on selling opium to China and then invading them when they outlawed the drug due to 40% of the population becoming addicted. These are far more interesting questions, in my opinion, than whether or not playing a song is a universal human right that cannot be truncated by a state in its attempts to manage the peaceful transition away from barbaric European domination.

socsa ,

How can you possibly expect to have a robust conversation about the exact thing you want to discuss if you are not allowed to sing a song about it?

freagle ,

I know that’s how I usually have robust conversations about complex topics - singing. That’s why they use song at sporting events and political rallies.

socsa ,

So your argument is that you don’t believe art is, or should be an appropriate vehicle for expressing, interpreting or otherwise engaging with complex socio-political issues? Did I do a eurocentrism again?

freagle ,

…wikipedia.org/…/Music_of_the_American_Civil_War

Do you really need to have this conversation right now? Are you ignorant of the deeply violent and oppressive history of the British? Do we need to rehash, yet again, how European fascism thrives and replicates quickly and broadly under conditions of liberal free speech?

cia.gov/…/Director_Burns_Aspen_Security_Forum_Tra…

socsa ,

Ok that’s what I thought.

redtea ,

Can’t say I disagree.

astral_avocado ,
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Honestly I used it sarcastically, because IIRC one of the Lemmy devs/.ml admins used that as an excuse to censor news articles about the Uighur genocide

Blursty ,
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I think we can all agree that absurd conspiracy theories for idiots should be removed.

AnonTwo ,

I mean...incidentally everyone seems to be more concerned with poking the bear in this thread, than the actual topic being discussed....

Peaces OP ,

World [email protected] removed an opinion peace critical of the CCP. Check the mod log filtering on my name. So now I post in lemmy.ml which seems to have a more mature culture of debate and discussion based on search of opinion posts and pinned politics post of the lemmy.ml owner.

133arc585 ,
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I just looked at the mod log for that community and it doesn’t show anything removed with your name, nor anything related to the CPC or China at all. In fact, there’s almost nothing in the mod log for that community; it seems to remove hardly anything.

Peaces OP ,

Might be under my instance infosec.pub. See lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=606019

Edit: just to be clear, the post was definitely in lemmy.world (see above link); I’m just not sure how logs are stored and organized in the federation model.

can ,

Opinion article. Please feel free to repost with facts and a better source. See the sticky post about missinformation and news soruces. >Thanks

As long as they’re consistently removing all opinion pieces then I don’t really see a problem.

astral_avocado ,
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Oh man, do I have bad news for you…

Donger ,

I can cross horseshoe theory off my bingo card for the day!

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
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CCP fascism

Anglo fascist detected.

astral_avocado ,
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😂 you people are insane and just keep coming out of the woodwork acting like the words you’re saying are real and mean anything

freagle ,

That’s literally what it looks like when you accuse China of fascism. You have no clue how foolish you look to 80% of the planet. The only people who agree with you look like you.

astral_avocado ,
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Uh huh, sure

sugar_in_your_tea ,

429 Too Many Requests

Did we actually get a lemmy hug of death? Or is this likely just a bug on Lemmy’s side?

pleasemakesense ,
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Wrong world news c/ to post this in

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Nah, this one is just fine. It’s perfectly relevant world news.

can ,

I don’t think that’s what they meant.

teft ,
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Why? The tankies gonna ban it? Can’t stand the criticism?

MaxVoltage ,
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we actually are ok with news 👍 that guy will have to do a whole couple yearz in school likely as punishment😭😭😭😭promoting riots is always based but why for imperialism… cringe

pingveno ,

Speaking of cringe.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
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Speaking of cringe, I remembered you being present in this thread, as history indicates.

a week agohttps://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/29e1881b-c684-4dcd-8712-d9b822b24251.jpeg

pingveno ,

Aww, I feel so loved.

pleasemakesense ,
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Pretty much, an admin has been a little trigger happy regarding news involving china citing “orientalism”

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