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GreenTacklebox , (edited )

Russia’s right. From us supporting the nazis in Israel and Ukraine and stamping out anti-genocide protests at home nothing good can be in store for the USA in the future. EDIT: It’s sad that the userbase here is just as insane as the world news userbase over on reddit.

mycathas9lives ,

It would be nice to see the US launch a full assault on the soviets. FULL ON. I can dream can’t I?

GreenTacklebox ,

slow down there hitler

MehBlah ,

Russia did so well in Afghanistan after the US supplied the afghans with weapons and training.

skozzii ,

P-R-O-J-E-C-T-I-O-N.

Churbleyimyam ,

Because Russia had so much success against Afghanistan themselves. Pretty sure they’ve had their asses handed to them in the far east as well.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Because Russia had so much success against Afghanistan themselves.

Despite nominally being a staunch supporter of George Bush Jr’s War on Terror, Afghanistan was one place Putin absolutely refused to give support. You can call it cowardice or wisdom or simply being once-bitten-twice-shy, but the Graveyard of Empires isn’t the place you send in troops casually.

Pretty sure they’ve had their asses handed to them in the far east as well.

Do you mean the Russo-Japan War? That was over a century ago.

With the exception of the First Chechen War, The Post-'91 Russian Federation’s record on the battlefield has generally been successful.

Russian military leadership is well-blooded and one of the only institutions that wasn’t gutted by Perestroika. The folks who were laughing up their sleeves at the “Oversized Gas Station” when the Ukraine fight started may have underestimated the monster that was unleashed.

SrTobi ,

Ah Afghanistan. Where empires go to die

Hossenfeffer ,
@Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk avatar

Russia says US support for Ukraine will end as ‘humiliating fiasco’ like ‘Vietnam and Afghanistan’

Of course that Is what Russia says. They were hardly likely to say ‘That’‘s it, game over for us, we’re withdrawing all our troops now.’

macrocephalic ,

The difference is that Vietnam and Afghanistan were civil wars. It’s very difficult to win a war when a sizable portion of the citizens are fighting against you. Ukraine seems to be very united against a common enemy: Russia.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy , (edited )

if anything, even if Russia were to magically take Kyiv tomorrow, they are going to be fighting heavy insurgencies for decades to come. it’ll be the Afghanistan war (the one wot killed the USSR) 2.0 on caffeine.

And they are no where near as economically or militarily strong as they were when the USSR was even at its weakest

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

The difference is that Vietnam and Afghanistan were civil wars.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas

A civil war that’s been ongoing since 2014.

Ukraine seems to be very united against a common enemy

Western Ukraine, sure. But that’s not where Russia’s military is occupying territory.

Sam_Bass ,

He knows all about fiascos in afghanistan

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

Yeah, Afghanistan was pretty embarrasing for the USSR

AMDIsOurLord ,

You mean the one where the USA gave a fuckload of material and immaterial aid as much as they could to any radical extremist willing to hold an AK47?

Yeah, I’m going to put the USSR firmly in the “Right side of history” looking back at USA’s shit

It’s a very weird thing for the USA to be proud of

ILikeBoobies ,

Wait, so you’re saying Russia is going to lose again?

SomethingBurger ,

Don’t feed the .ml.

ILikeBoobies ,

Says the hamburger

SomethingBurger ,

I’m not literally a hamburger. I’m not even American.

ILikeBoobies ,

Hamburgers are German - Hamburg

But it was a joke

TheControlled ,

Holy shit. Just wow.

Telodzrum ,

Ahh… lemmy.ml users, so predictable, so dumb.

TexMexBazooka ,

Yeah Russia just showed up to plant sunflowers and give everyone candy.

GreenTacklebox ,

it doesn’t take much effort to see the standard of living before the usa came.

Justas ,
@Justas@sh.itjust.works avatar

Here’s what stories I remember from USSR-Afghanistan war, told by actual veterans:

They would punish extremist acts by throwing women and children out of a helicopter, Pinochet style. The person who told me that drank ever since he got back from the war and never stopped.

There was one man who left his tent for a midnight leak and came back to his entire tent with their throats slit. Had insane PTSD.

My father-in-law got his legs messed up by machine gun fire, got airlifted to East Germany to get put back together, doesn’t talk much, but still drinks a lot.

mechoman444 ,

I was just about to say Russia fucked up pretty bad in Afghanistan as well.

GreenTacklebox ,

The usa getting involved in Afghanistan is nothing to be proud of. Many War crimes have been committed there by us.

lingh0e ,

You could say it was their Vietnam.

bradorsomething ,

If Ukraine makes it through 2025, I wonder if they could take 2-3 oblasts in an eventual peace.

anticolonialist ,

They are not wrong, in typical US style they will just declare its done and leave Ukraine in enormous debt and left to fend for itself

Kedly ,

Thanks for outing yourself!

Anyolduser ,

Seriously!

God, the people here are the worst.

Kedly ,

The block feature has slowly made my experience here a hell of a lot better. These threads tend to give me new fodder for it

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

Hey, it’s you… from that other thread when you were spewing the same kremlin talking points

anticolonialist ,

everything I dont like is Russia

zenitsu ,

“anticolonialist”

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/967ae009-bc70-4e14-9127-419d0e803cc4.jpeg

anticolonialist , (edited )

Mccarthy wants his Russian paranoia tropes back. Does your internalized homophobia come rising to the surface everytime you hear something you dont like?

zenitsu ,

Yeah, my homophobia goes full Russian lmao

anticolonialist ,

A cocksucking meme is homophobic. This is why shit libs can never be seen as allies, but obstacles to progress of the marginalized.

zenitsu ,

Homophobic? Nah, it’s just an accurate description of your vatnik love for ruzzia

anticolonialist ,

Yes, homophobic. Where did I defend Russia? Opposing one isn’t support of the opposite. That only exists in the minds of children.

zenitsu ,

Yes, homophobic.

You’re the one assuming cocksucking is derogatory.

Where did I defend Russia?

Anyone repeating kremlin talking points like zelensky “doing coke” is just another kremlin gremlin, whether they know it or not. But it’s hilarious to see vatniks pretend to care about homophobia lmao

TexMexBazooka ,

I’m convinced there’s a concentrated effort coming from somewhere

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy , (edited )

There’s usually a big spike in “grassroots opposition” to anything supporting ukraine whenever ukraine gets support.

Lemmy was originally created by “communists” who kept getting banned on Reddit). They get a bit riled up whenever something that goes against the interests of their favorite formerly sort of red country happens.

They’re fanatics, zealots. they don’t even need to be paid to shill for these despotic regimes. They do it for free.

They’re just like the far right in the US… useful idiots who huff propaganda

TexMexBazooka ,

The comparison of their style of rhetoric to right wingers in the US makes sense. On the surface it’s hard to tell which group is talking

kent_eh ,

Russian government spokespeople say lots of things.

Very few of them are true, or accurate.

CanadaPlus ,

They seem say whatever would be best for them regardless of truth, so you can’t even rule out what they say like if they consistently lied.

Madison420 ,

Oh it’s a bit dumber than that. Russia tried to occupy Afghanistan in the 1980s and got fuckin romped worse than the US did and that was with peak Russian power and no near endless supply of Russia surplus for insurgents to use.

AMDIsOurLord ,

USSR went there on the request of their government at the time (unlike America’s rampage invasion) and withdrew after the USA heavily armed extremely backwards Muslim extremists who were doing every war crime in the book

It’s still a better ending than a 20 year war (u lost lmao)

Madison420 ,

You’re trying to make a point but it’s idiotic since you don’t know my stance on anything, you’re just guessing and poorly at that I might add.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

“u lost lmao”?

peak burn, right there. 🙄

Roflmasterbigpimp ,
@Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world avatar

Damn so close.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f73a0a50-3ca0-4efe-b383-6a3d69e56cd2.png

Amanduh ,

Lmaoooo

GreenTacklebox ,

it doesn’t take much effort to pick up a history book. You shold try it sometime.

rickyrigatoni , (edited )

Maybe they’re saying Zelensky will make another 9/11 like Osama did after we supported him in Afghanistan?

e: ya’ll ever hear the old addage “don’t downvote the messenger”? go and downvote putin or something.

avater ,
@avater@lemmy.world avatar

funny that the Russkis mention Afghanistan 😅

And as always, as long as the cunts in Russia are complaining and riding their propaganda train at full speed, we are doing something right.

maynarkh ,

These brainiacs had concerts singing Gruppa Krovi from Kino to recruits early in the war. A literal Afghanistan-era Soviet anti-war anthem. They have no sense of irony.

Gregonar ,

Irony is caused by memory. Vodka solves that problem.

gravitas_deficiency ,

Hey Putin, remind me again how many days into your 3-day special military operation you are?

trolololol ,

Their progress bar is showing 2000%, big stonks vibe

HubertManne ,

so us support for ukraine will end up like when the us supported afghanistan. awesome.

el_abuelo ,

Not to be a pedant but the US (and UK) armed and trained the mujahideen who largely went on to become the Taliban who oppressed their population and allowed al’qaeda to reside, train and plan attacks from within their borders which ultimately lead to the 9/11 attacks which precipitated a lengthy occupation by allied forces in which many more thousands died, and the eventual withdraw of said forces resulting in the Taliban taking back control, oppressing their population and no doubt once again providing a safe haven for terrorists aligned against the west.

I would say that if Ukraine ends up “like afghanistan” it would be a very bad thing indeed for everyone. Russia, the west, Ukraine. Everyone.

HubertManne ,

true. I just found it funny that they would compare that country given they abandoned it do to them being supplied by the US. Agreed though that it bit us. It was where stinger missiles gained fame.

el_abuelo ,

Yeah the irony certainly seems to be lost on them. I guess they just hope everyone had forgotten about how they lost the proxy wars of the cold war era, and are looking for a do-over.

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