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CatTrickery ,

A friend of mine had a job where she worked remotely most of the time. She would never interact with any other of her colleagues unless if she went offline on Slack for too long or didn’t get her work done. She managed to make some pretty nifty Selenium scripts to do the whole thing for her and delayed it to her usual working speed. I’m pretty sure she spent most of her time working there playing OSRS instead and I think she did actually go away on an extended holiday too.

Pandantic ,
@Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

I’m sorry, but a mental health day is a sick day, and if my mental health is helped by going to the beach, that’s my business.

caboose2006 ,

When the boss asks what are your plans your response is “my plans are my own and very important”

lightnsfw ,

Going camping, won’t have phone or internet service. Bye.

fne8w2ah ,

Or going on a cruise. Another way of disconnecting from the world.

lightnsfw ,

He knows I can’t afford that.

travysh ,

I tried this, but was told “take your laptop, we’ll expense the Internet”.

JasonDJ ,

My company bars any equipment from leaving the country.

Lots of road trips to Canada.

Snapz ,

Millennials are “quiet sleeping” at night… Ungrateful fucks.

phoneymouse ,

My manager sat on a leave request of mine for a week. When I inquired about it, he said it wasn’t a good time, but begrudgingly approved it. I understand why people are not asking. I get 12 days off a year. If I can’t have the days I want, what’s the fucking point of leave?

DV8 ,

Remember that violent protests were used in Europe to establish our rights. It’s incredibly weird looking to the US from the outside. You have the right to bear arms, specifically to oppose tyranny, yet nobody seems to do so.

caboose2006 ,

Oh no, we respect the police we’d NEVER!/s yeah. There’s a weird dichotomy in the US.

Diplomjodler3 ,

It’s only tyranny if the colored people or the gays do it.

AutistoMephisto , (edited )
@AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world avatar

TL;DR: American Conservatives have spent millions of dollars since the 70s studying language and ideas and figuring out how to frame every issue from a conservative, pro-capital, pro-business perspective.

Well, you see, back during the 1960’s and 1970’s there was a huge push in the US against war, against white supremacy, against fascism, against the draft, against segregation, and many other things. Many of the people who currently hold US political offices today were either in the universities and colleges when these protests were ongoing, or were already working as staffers for conservative politicians. They saw what was going on and became determined to never let these things happen again. In 1971 when then Supreme Court Justice Lewis F. Powell mailed a confidential memo to his friends in the US Chamber of Commerce titled: “Attack on American Free Enterprise System” and outlined Powell’s concerns re: the youth of the US and the growing sentiments against the Vietnam War. He was worried that our nation’s best and brightest were becoming anti business because of our involvemnt in Vietnam. Powell’s agenda included getting wealthy conservatives to set up professorships, setting up institutes on and off campus where intellectuals would write books from a conservative business perspective, and setting up think tanks. He outlined the whole thing in 1970. They set up the Heritage Foundation in 1973, and the Manhattan Institute after that.

And now, as the New York Times Magazine quoted Paul Weyrich, who started the Heritage Foundation, they have 1,500 conservative radio talk show hosts. They have a huge, very good operation, and they understand their own moral system. They understand what unites conservatives, and they understand how to talk about it, and they are constantly updating their research on how best to express their ideas.

Now, you might be wondering why progressives haven’t done the same thing. There’s a systematic reason for that. You can see it in the way that conservative foundations and progressive foundations work. Conservative foundations give large block grants year after year to their think tanks. They say, ‘Here’s several million dollars, do what you need to do.’ And basically, they build infrastructure, they build TV studios, hire intellectuals, set aside money to buy a lot of books to get them on the best-seller lists, hire research assistants for their intellectuals so they do well on TV, and hire agents to put them on TV. They do all of that. Why? Because the conservative moral system has as its highest value preserving and defending the “strict father” system itself. And that means building infrastructure. As businessmen, they know how to do this very well.

Meanwhile, liberals’ conceptual system of the “nurturant parent” has as its highest value helping individuals who need help. The progressive foundations and donors give their money to a variety of grassroots organizations. They say, ‘We’re giving you $25,000, but don’t waste a penny of it. Make sure it all goes to the cause, don’t use it for administration, communication, infrastructure, or career development.’

Anise ,

That is a good analysis. I think it ignores the obvious components that the conservatives are well funded precicely because conservative dogma is all about protecting the owner class. Wealthy business people are not going to fund efforts to impose progressive taxation, mandatory sick time etc.

Sure there are rich people in the arts who lean liberal at least in public, but they are outnumbered and out-spent by capital owners.

The left will never be able to spend as much on communication so the approach has go be completely different. Using the products of capitalism like social media has been effective. Peer-to-peer organizing is slow but costs little. Tacking pro-worker policies onto the platforms of the otherwise pro-business Democrats as a differentiator has lead to some success.

Reaching the mass media reach of the far right is so difficult to do without the capital backing though. The left really needs to get into the talk radio game. NPR tries but they are inevitably quite centrist.

MonkeMischief ,

I think unifying ideology is also much easier a task for conservative thought, because it’s all about “F you, got mine.” And “Those that aren’t us are trying to ruin everything.” And “Eat enough leather and maybe you’ll get rich lol.”

Leftier-leaning stuff has a “unity problem” because it seeks to understand and accommodate the vast spectrum of human experiences and points of view. Not that that’s a bad thing, but it’s certainly much tougher and more complex to pitch, and rally, and galvanize.

Conservatives are really good at being chill and most importantly simple for the most part at an introductory level, so they recruit a lot, and then slowly work their adherents into raging, scared, insecure violence-fantasists.

A good example is with men. Leftists groups have a serious deficiency in speaking to and empathizing with masculine issues, and are shocked when normally moderate, but wayward, men are happy to just be accepted…then radicalized, by hyper-nationalist conspiracy theorists with a fetish for sharp geometric symbolism…

Cryophilia ,

Another reason for the lack of liberal response from think tanks in the last few decades is infighting and cultural purity tests: theintercept.com/…/progressive-organizing-infight…

tocopherol ,
@tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

People do on occasion, like there were armed leftists that prevented police from raiding encampments in Texas, and at some protests there have been organized armed groups like John Brown Gun Clubs or Socialist Rifle Associations. Several people that argued for more militant resistance to state violence were murdered in 2020, and many times for decades before that, so a lot of people are scared and not organized sufficiently, but there are groups that have been preparing.

MonkeMischief ,

It’s completely boggling. The other longer reply nailed it perfectly. But yeah, conservatism is a really weird ideal in that regard.

It’s because it’s all “anti big government”, but usually they’re talking about bringing down social safety nets and building up walls.

They’re so obsessed with governmental tyranny (even though they’re religiously huge fans of police and armed forces…huh?), but they’re completely blind to tyranny on smaller levels, on a domestic scale.

So you usually catch them simping for capitalists instead of opposing them.

“Because one day I’ll get to wear the boot! 🤡”

I think they see abuse by bosses, landlords, and the ilk as “paying ones’ dues” or something. They’ll of course have zero compunction about passing on that abuse if they somehow end up in the high-chair.

So basically: “Don’t tread on me!*

*…Unless you’re my boss. I’m happy I’m at least free to choose my own tyrant among an infinite number of other tyrants, and I’ll die talk a really big game to make sure everyone is exploited by private interests instead of government ones!”

There’s for-the-people groups like Socialist Rifle Association but they’re smaller in comparison.

Heck, gun-fever and the NRA are basically all private marketing schemes to begin with.

telllos ,

People bragging about not taking their PTO days are quite common in the work place. I always like to remind them that it’s a compensation and part of their contract. Then I brag that this month, I didn’t asked to be paid because I’m dedicated worker like them. It makes them look stupid.

And manager being difficult when requesting PTO are horrible. Because it’s their job to manage staffing. They should understand the concepts explained above. But they don’t, they are probably the kind of people bragging about “working a lot”

Spacehooks ,

I knew a guy who never took vacation. First dude they laid off.

Got_Bent ,

While it’s not the area I ended up working in, I learned in accounting school that the employees who never take vacation are held as highly suspicious. People who are in a position to skim off the top tend to never take days off so nobody gets opportunity to see what they’re doing.

As to me personally, I remember one year taking all the PTO that was due to me and getting shit on in writing at evaluation time for doing so.

The following year I took zero PTO and got shit on in writing at evaluation time for doing so.

I went to management with copies of both evaluations and said, “since you’re gonna shit on me in writing at evaluation time regardless of what I do, you can expect me to take every minute of PTO going forward.”

They were at a loss for words and just found other reasons to shit on me in writing at evaluation time.

I spent five and a half years in that environment.

Never again. Not for any amount of money.

Alenalda ,

I’ve been with this company long enough for to get 15 vacation days a year and 7 personal days even still I have to compete with 300 some people for those days off and only 2 are allowed on any given day and none are approved in the summer if they weren’t requested a year in advance. I’d be happy to not take all the pto if the company would just pay me out for those days at the end of the year or let them keep rolling over but it’s a use it or lose it situation.

Got_Bent ,

So when we switched over to the unlimited PTO scam, there was an option to get paid out for the PTO you had accrued. Naturally I was like two hours short of the threshold, so at the end of the year, around December fifth or so, I was like, “later bitches! See ya in January!” and there was nothing they could do about it. It was beautiful.

lightnsfw ,

My last job it was really difficult to use PTO because we were always kept short staffed and there were only like 2 or 3 PTO “slots” a day and less on weekends. During the summer if you didn’t get your request in months ahead it was practically impossible and forget about getting a whole week. One of many reasons I left was dealing with that shit.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

In the US the manager’s job regarding staffing is to continually do more work with less people as much as possible to make the bean counters happy.

wavebeam ,
@wavebeam@lemmy.world avatar

I’m a remote worker, and work on a pretty free and respected team. I found out the hard way that our PTO accrual expires at the end of the calendar year and starts from 0 on Jan 1. I haven’t submitted leave requests this year. but i have taken time off that i’ve run by my team.

Eranziel ,

I would check whether that’s actually legal in your area, if I were you.

HootinNHollerin , (edited )

Probs because companies have that bullshit ‘unlimited PTO’ that’s often not real

iknowitwheniseeit ,

Yeah I hate “unlimited PTO”. If it’s actually unlimited then let me know when the office Christmas party is and I will be off until then, when I will see you for drinks.

Passerby6497 ,

It’s weird, I’ve got unlimited PTO and have taken more time in a year than I did overall at any of the jobs I’ve been at, and they’ve been super accommodating with a medical issue I have.

Last year I took over 30 PTO days, I’ve been lucky to get 8-12 days yearly at previous gigs. Unlimited PTO can be amazing if you have decent leadership.

travysh ,

That isn’t “normal” though. Part of the reason that companies like unlimited PTO is that typically workers take less PTO when unlimited is offered.

I had 8 weeks paid per year in my last job, so rolling in to this one with unlimited I pretty much do the same. But for sure I’m a bit of an anomaly. I rarely see others taking time.

timbuck2themoon ,

That and they don’t have to pay out unused PTO since there technically isn’t any.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

No point in asking for what you know you deserve but aren’t going to get.

sirico ,
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

In the voice of Jonny Vegas" just get em told"’

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

If “quiet quitting” was just doing the absolute bare minimum, wtf is “quiet vacationing?” Showing up to work but then spending all day in VR at a virtual beach while at your desk? 🤷🏻‍♂️

dojan ,
@dojan@lemmy.world avatar

Quiet quitting was doing what you were hired to do, and not taking on stuff beyond your role. I’m guessing that quiet vacationing means you take the breaks that are in your contract, or that you sleep in your free time.

jubilationtcornpone ,

I guess I am kind of a lazy entitled bastard. Wanting to tuck my kids in at bedtime and whatnot.

ouRKaoS ,

I figured it was working remotely and traveling wherever you want, working in the morning and vacationing in the evening.

dojan ,
@dojan@lemmy.world avatar

Oooh right, that makes sense. My job has no issues with this actually. If you end up moving somewhere (outside of the Nordics, presumably) they need to be notified for tax and insurance reasons, but if you travel abroad and bring your work with you they genuinely don’t care so long as you can get your job done. Heck it even happens quite often.

whoreticulture ,

Taking vacations but not telling your boss

ObsidianZed ,

My first thought was’disconnecting’ and going fully offline while you’re on vacation. No emails, no work phone, airplane mode on your personal phone, etc.

Michal ,

Sounds like regular vacation

stillitcomes ,

I looked it up, it’s when remote workers go on vacations without telling anyone.

Spacehooks ,

If manager didn’t know then he’s bad or I’m really good.

Swedneck ,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

if a remote worker goes on vacation and no one notices, are they using PTO?

Spacehooks ,

Lol But seriously I consider it an employee benefit.

Croquette ,

If the work is done on time, who gives a fuck.

Middle managers everywhere, being little bitches.

Kichae ,

I still don’t understand how people got “quiet quitting” so twisted, or why. The term came from businesses looking at employee behaviours and discovering leading indicators of quitting. It had nothing to do with working-to-rule, and was entirely about being able to identify that an employee had one foot out the door.

This is a really simple concept, which makes the reappropriation of the term seem purposful.

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It sounds like because there’s a shitload of distrust for workplace managers and HR departments, some workers are being very reserved about what they tell their bosses.

If bosses are going to presume you’re lazy for taking breaks and using PTO, it might be better to offer a less triggering explanation.

Very much like if a website refuses to serve Firefox or VPNs, it might be useful to hide your website and VPN use.

dumbass , (edited )
@dumbass@leminal.space avatar

My boss after approving my time off: So what you gonna do with your time off?

Me: rest.

Boss: going anywhere?

Me: I’m gonna rest.

Boss: ohh you gotta do something fun.

Me: I am, resting.

I’m not telling you shit you weird fuck, plus you dont pay me enough to go on holiday so imma take advantage of not having to be here by resting my over worked body.

Hobo ,

My boss is like, “Okay cool.” I’m glad I have a good boss.

dumbass ,
@dumbass@leminal.space avatar

I work retail, my bosses like to think they own us out of work, he does not like it when I tell him I consider myself unemployed when I’m not actively being paid by the company.

I added every normal contact to my white list and put my phone on do not disturb when I’m living my actual life, anyone I actually want to talk to can contact me and I already ignore private numbers or numbers not in my contacts, sonthey can’t try and trick me.

I work my contract and only my contract.

tissek ,
@tissek@ttrpg.network avatar

The Swedish vacation law (Semesterlag 1977:480) amateurishly translated by me. And I am in no way experienced enough in our labour law to comment on how it looks for those not working full time. The short lesson is to Remember Ådalen, or those that fought, bled and died four our labour rights.

4 § En arbetstagare har rätt till tjugofem semesterdagar varje semesterår […]
An employee have right to twentyfive vacation days per year

12 § Om inte annat har avtalats, ska semesterledigheten förläggas så, att arbetstagaren får en ledighetsperiod av minst fyra veckor under juni-augusti[…]
If nothing else have been agreed upon, the vacation is to be scheduled such that the employee get a vacation period of at least four weeks during june -august

Unions work. Labour movements work.

GluWu ,

How move Sweden. Am enjunear. Want make industry.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Well, you already speak the language, so that’s a start.

dojan ,
@dojan@lemmy.world avatar

Depending on where you’re from you’ll face different challenges. If you’re an EU/Schengen citizen you can pretty much just mosy on over here. If you have a full-time job and/or enough money, as well as some form of health insurance you’ll be able to get a personnummer quite easily. If you’re outside of the EU things get trickier, but having a job lined up here will make things easier.

There’s also the spousal path, though given our current nazi-xenophobic government I’m expecting a lot of those avenues to get tougher.

Viking_Hippie ,

Article link

Archive.ph link

Thcdenton ,

Just be quiet

Quexotic ,

^we do our best^

AllNewTypeFace ,
@AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space avatar

Malingering millennials are “quiet shirking”, discharging their duties at or beyond the level expected of them, but singing the company song with tones of sarcasm in their voices and sometimes even rolling their eyes

ccunning ,

If you can’t handle me being out for a week how are you going to handle me quitting from being overworked from you not being able to handle being out for a week?

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