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Thekingoflorda ,
@Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world avatar

They’re 100% only doing this for money, but still, nice to see them in the right for once.

Godort ,

Sometimes people do the right thing for the wrong reasons.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

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xavier666 ,

Something something broken clock

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

A lot of it is the sheer bureaucracy of chasing down actual pirates and weeding them from people who just happen to be on the same IP address.

If one guy visiting an apartment block downloads a torrent from a public connection, what is ATT supposed to do? Shut down Internet to the entire building?

This is an undue burden for ISPs, even if the content isn’t living in a gray zone of legality.

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

Yeah IP owners really want to have all the benefits of ownership with none of the drawbacks. After lobbying for and receiving a blank check to be able to rent seek indefinitely, they are constantly acting to outsource any cost of detection and enforcement of “their” property. Disgusting how goddamn entitled they are.

primrosepathspeedrun ,

this is why everyone should pirate literally anything they can, even if they don’t particularly want it.

er, with a few very gross exceptions that shouldn’t exist.

blanketswithsmallpox ,

… IP addresses are assigned to modems… They don’t assign IP addresses to… Cables going to buildings I guess lol but ok.

And if you’re in some fucked up place that has the entire apartment complex’s internet going to one modem, then God save your soul.

dumbass ,
@dumbass@leminal.space avatar

Ohh for sure, they know that if they get rid of the pirates, they’d lose half their customer base and will struggle to pay the CEOs bonus.

sibannac ,

If you disconnect them you can charge them fees

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

something something broken clock

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Max_P ,
@Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me avatar

Meanwhile, VPN providers be like “come on download stuff 😉😉😉”, wouldn’t that be a much easier case for them to prove willful disregard for piracy?

RickRussell_CA ,
@RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, but ISPs are rich and VPN providers are not. The most recent numbers I can find for Cox (2020) show $12.6 billion in revenue.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

A day is going to come when the VPNs are going to be targeted for regulation.

It’s only a matter of time before someone shoots up a school with a 3D printed gun or Epstein’s a terabyte of child porn to a Senator’s office or some other silly bullshit, and then VPNs will become the whipping boy for our litany of problems.

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

In autocratic states where VPNs are blocked, they use VPNs that are harder to detect. So by the time they decide to criminalize VPN use in the free (read slightly less un-free) world, we’ll still have a cornucopia of options.

It’s like FBI trying to ban encryption or get it regulated when we already have encryption technology that is deniable.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

n autocratic states where VPNs are blocked, they use VPNs that are harder to detect

Paying for the VPN that’s harder to detect with my credit card which is very easy to detect.

It’s like FBI trying to ban encryption

aclu.org/…/the-fbi-is-secretly-breaking-into-encr…

Devices are already riddled with backdoors imposed by federal authorities. The only real way to avoid them is to obtain a device not designed or assembled within the NATO block.

Incidentally, import of these devices has become increasingly difficult, on the grounds that these devices may have backdoors implemented by foreign governments.

djsoren19 ,

In case you weren’t aware, it’s actually pretty easy to pay for a VPN in unmarked funds. Most will allow for BTC transactions, but some VPNs will even allow you to use giftcards for a place like Target.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Most will allow for BTC transactions

This is the dumb guy panacea for committing every financial crime. You’d never even know the block chain is a public ledger.

Alk ,

Mullvad even lets you send them an envelope with cash in it, with no identifying info other than your account number.

KillingTimeItself ,

Devices are already riddled with backdoors imposed by federal authorities. The only real way to avoid them is to obtain a device not designed or assembled within the NATO block.

this smells distinctly russian for some reason, anyway, just use open source software and hardware, the protection net while not perfect, is entirely open, and theoretically, capable of perfect safety.

MigratingtoLemmy ,

Time to get on it privacy coin bandwagon

ShepherdPie ,

Considering how many corporations rely on VPNs for their workers, I don’t think this would gain much traction.

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Well,

a) even the labels and studios pirate stuff that isn’t theirs. They don’t really believe what they preach.

b) All that content they produce involves unethical treatment of the actual creators and technical staff who are under-compensated, and often lose all rights to their own creative work. and

c) regional blocks are just marketing bullshit, and is the primary thing VPNs advertise they’ll circumvent for you.

LodeMike ,

Can you elaborate on point a?

greenskye ,

Famously the music for that famous ‘you wouldn’t download a car’ anti piracy disclaimer was stolen and used without permission from the creator.

LodeMike ,

I’ll look that up

LodeMike ,

torrentfreak.com/sorry-the-you-wouldnt-steal-a-ca… ?

BossDj ,

Can’t wait to find out which industry benefits the SCOTUS justices more.

dogslayeggs ,

This is capitalism 101: whatever makes the most money is what they support. It doesn’t matter who is hurt (or not hurt), or what is right/wrong. As long as they can make more money than they are losing by lawsuits, they will keep doing this. If they can avoid doing anything at all and not get sued while getting paid by customers, that’s even better.

sunzu2 ,

Why should ISP lose revenue enforcing laws for another corpos benefit?

If media industry was serious, they should pay for it 🫢

AstridWipenaugh ,

Their game is just to try to make the ISPs liable; they don’t actually want it enforced. In fact, failure to enforce is the feature. They paint the ISP as complicit in the piracy then sue the ISP for hundreds of millions in damages hoping for a no-fault settlement. That’s a much better revenue stream than suing someone for 10k who can’t pay it.

sunzu2 ,

There is a lesson in here about decentralization here folks 🫢

bulwark ,

So I’ve rented a server for years. It’s in the US and it’s a couple bucks a month. It’s fun to play with and I use it however I want. I’ve had an email server, a next cloud instance, and an open VPN instance to name a few things on it. Well I decided to connect a torrent client from my home to the openvpn instance on my server to see if I could do it. It worked really well until the company I rent from forwarded the DMCA hit back to me for downloading Rick and Morty. I should’ve known better but I thought a nameless faceless server farm wouldn’t be worth the hassle of a DMCA but I was wrong.

MentallyExhausted ,

whispers quietly in your ear: “Usenet”

bulwark ,

Lol, I’ve been on that train for a decade. I just wanted to try using my own personal VPN server to torrent which kinda defeats the purpose of a VPN I guess.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Use…net? Buddy, we’re ALL using the net right now!

bokherif ,

Pretty much all cloud providers monitor their servers for piracy and malware distribution/downloads.

bulwark ,

True, but it wasn’t the cloud provider that caught it. They just forwarded the letter to me from the company that monitors torrent swarms and records IPs.

KillingTimeItself ,

you paid for that with an identity attached im guessing, i’m not really sure what else you expected to be honest.

MigratingtoLemmy ,

You chose the wrong provider lol

antonim ,

Absolutely the correct stance, nothing dirty about it. At this point, for better and for worse, the Internet is a basic necessity. Imagine having your water turned off because you threw water balloons at your neighbour.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

Not water baloons, but some companies will cut off your water if you’re sharing it with a neighbor. (especially if that neighbor had their water cut off for not paying a bill)

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Which is absolutely ridiculous since you are paying for the water that you are sharing.

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

I know you know this but it bears saying explicitly: it’s because pretty much all laws are out there to enforce property first. Humanity is secondary. We all know implicitly that it’s not illegal to share your water because it’s unethical. It is illegal because making it illegal protects the water company’s profits, humanity be damned.

KillingTimeItself ,

We all know implicitly that it’s not illegal to share your water because it’s unethical. It is illegal because making it illegal protects the water company’s profits, humanity be damned.

it’s perfectly ethical, unless i’m stealing the water, they’re using the same water i’m using and that means i’m paying for it. It’s literally not a problem.

It might cut flat charges but, get fucked.

feannag ,

I think you misinterpreted, because you two are saying the same thing. It is ethical to share. Therefore, it has not been made illegal for being unethical (because it is ethical), it has been made illegal to protect profits.

KillingTimeItself ,

oh i think the phrasing just confused me lmao

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

For sure. Even when it isn’t a law the same outcome happens when corporations get the police to enforce their policies.

Lost_My_Mind ,

How though? If you’re using extra water to share with your neighbor, and YOU still pay your water bill, they still get extra money for extra usage, right? It just comes from your wallet rather than your neighbors.

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

Because your sharing your water with them disincentivizes their paying their bill.

Extrapolating on this, if you could legally share your water with the neighborhood couldn’t an enterprising person with a zeriscaped yard sell their water to a thirsty lawned neighbor? That’s money the water company considers theirs

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Garbage collection services dislike when people throw their garbage in neighbor’s cans even when the neighbor is paying for the larger can (e.g. the disposal volume being used). This has led to some garbage distribution piracy alongside recycling collection crews.

In case you wanted some cyberpunk dystopia in your cyberpunk dystopia.

otp ,

Where does the cyberpunk come into play with the garbage bins?

SayJess ,
@SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Neon lights and vaporwave when you open the lid. It’s the bees knees.

dumbass ,
@dumbass@leminal.space avatar

If you move them wrong they start flying around the street at an ever increasing speed.

otp ,

That’s Cyberpunk: 2077, not cyberpunk, lol

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Two ways.

The outer layer is the ad-hoc (often underground or criminal) system that serves to rectify a problem caused by the unjust rules of the legitimate system, in this case, refuse pirates who match overflow to underused capacity.

The inner layer comes from service to the community becoming punk when the mainstream becomes destructive. When recycling bandits start redistributing garbage they go from being commensal with their neighborhood (causing some noise pollution and some additional mess) to mutualist (providing a service to the neighborhood they scavenge).

otp ,

I appreciate the explanation, but I don’t think I follow what that has to do with cyberpunk.

Wikipedia describes cyberpunk as “futuristic technological and scientific achievements, such as artificial intelligence and cyberware, juxtaposed with societal collapse, dystopia or decay”.

I understand the relation to dystopia, and even your comparison to the punk movement, but I don’t get the cyberpunk comparison, lol

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Wow, that’s really odd. My garbage company doesn’t care what I do with my or anyone else’s can. I can even set mine on my side of the street, and as soon as it empties, refill it and move it across the street (there’s like a 15 min gap between them), and they literally don’t care. I also overfill it fairly often, and again, they don’t care. As long as the truck can pick it up and dump it, they’re happy.

Modern_medicine_isnt ,

I was thinking, imagine the media companies demand the power company turn off your power because you downloaded a pirated movie. Or gas stations stop selling gas to you because you speed.

psycho_driver ,

Or Nestle asked your water utility to disconnect your service because you’re drinking free water instead of purchasing theirs. Not a direct correlation but closer.

SilentObserver ,

Free water? Where do you live? Here I have to pay for that. 🤣

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

I mean, municipal water most places isn’t free, but for drinking water it’s effectively free.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Imagine having your water turned off because you threw water balloons at your neighbour.

gasp!

I do that ALL THE TIME!!!

01189998819991197253 ,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

Even a broken 12-hr analog clock is right twice a day

Lost_My_Mind ,

If a one handed monkey claps in a forest, can anyone hear the tree falling on a lawyer?

01189998819991197253 ,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

Hear it? Or do anything about it? Those are different…

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

Critical support

LodeMike ,

Internet shutoffs should require a court order. Not some emails that are “this person did a bad 🥺🥺🥺 no proof but can you please take our word for it 🥺🥺🥺🥺”

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Internet shutoffs shouldn’t be a thing, outside of non-payment or legitimate abuse. If I do something illegal, they should have to sue me, not shut off my internet.

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Yeah, they don’t disconnect a criminals phone service because they committed a crime and made a phone call. It makes no damned sense.

this_1_is_mine ,

Only happens as a matter by court order and is a limit on the person not on the corporations. Though if found out after by the court it can be ordered terminated. And you will face further punishment. But this is levied against the person. As in “You are not allowed to do a thing and if we find out you did the thing you will face further punishments.” Corporations should not have the responsibility or ability to determine any ones eligibility. They are a businesses not a government.They are responsible for their own tos and should never be anything more.

ColeSloth ,

Actually, that’s been done several times over the decades. As well as banning computer access. The guy caught hacking into the fbi gets his mouse and keyboard taken away.

elephantium ,
@elephantium@lemmy.world avatar

If you do something illegal, you should be arrested.

Copyright infringement lawsuits are a far cry from bomb threats or the like.

Jarix ,

Not everything that is illegal is punishable by arrest

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Yeah, I’ve been ticketed for speeding, and that certainly doesn’t come with the threat of arrest unless I’m driving super recklessly or something (but that’s a different offense altogether).

elephantium ,
@elephantium@lemmy.world avatar

So you’re saying copyright infringement is on par with speeding or parking past the meter’s end? Eh, fair enough.

person420 ,

I had to process these requests at a company I used to work for. They do send “proof” (proof in quotes because you have to believe in good faith they didn’t just make it up, which I have to believe they didn’t).

We never shut anyone off though. We worked with business exclusively and only ever sent “scary” letters. Though we had one client that was a major music venue (a very known venue that’s pretty famous) who would get these letters all the time. The irony was too much for me. I ended up calling them personally most of the time because it was too funny.

fruitycoder ,

I remember getting a scary letter because I was torrenting. I thought it so funny because I had to the only person in the world only torrenting freeaoftwarr and public domain works.

LodeMike ,

Wait then what was it for?

barsquid ,

They don’t give a shit about targeting accusations only towards people torrenting copyrighted stuff. Why would they? They have no consequences for being incorrect.

They are doing this automatically. They just grab all the magnet links they can find and target any IP they connect to, regardless of the content.

A_Random_Idiot ,

They have no consequences for being incorrect.

Which is why the DMCA shit is also bullshit.

Multiple false claims should result in you being banned from making future claims.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I’ve never gotten a scary letter, and I’ve certainly torrented my fair share of stuff, both legal and otherwise.

The trick, I think, is to not use cable. I’ve had municipal fiber, Google fiber, DSL, and small local ISP (RJ45 hookup at the wall), and never once had an issue. The last one is probably annoyed at me because I tend to submit tickets and call them within a few minutes of my service going down (happens once/month or so). It’s extra funny when they ask me to check my wifi settings on my router, and I tell them my router doesn’t have wifi (it’s a Mikrotik router, my AP is separate), and that my wifi is absolutely fine, it’s the uplink that’s busted (i.e. I can access all the stuff on my NAS).

I made a promise to myself that once I left the house, I’d never get cable. And that’s a promise I’ve kept across multiple apartments and now my house. We’re finally getting muni fiber, so I’m pretty excited.

blanketswithsmallpox ,

It’s more likely you aren’t using popular freely indexable trackers on currently airing popular media.

Try torrenting a current episode of a top 10 watched show within a week of release and see how fast you get one lol.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Yeah, I generally only torrent older media (like a few years old).

sugar_in_your_tea ,

How about this: courts can’t order ISPs to disconnect customers.

To me, that’s like ordering my driveway barricaded because I have too many traffic tickets. If I’m breaking the law, charge me with a crime or sue me. But don’t block my internet access, that’s just uncalled for.

LiveLM ,

The ISPs? doing something nice?? for the customers???
Shit, I must have slipped into the wrong timeline or something

TrickDacy ,

Nope, they just don’t wanna be bothered. But if it’s a win it’s a win.

Big_Boss_77 ,

Don’t wanna be bothered/Don’t wanna lose that sweet, sweet monthly

Sabata11792 ,

It means they can fire the one guy that sends the angry letters and get rid of a printer.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

It’s less work and cost for them if they don’t have to do this.

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

ISPs can’t take your money if they cut off your internet

BigBenis ,

It’s without a doubt motivated by their own loss of revenue but a consumer friendly take is still commendable

Oaksey ,

iiNet in Australia used to fight for their users’ privacy until they eventually sold out.

C126 ,

Shut down their access to computer stores and the power companies while you’re at it. Only fair. No piracy without computers or power.

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

We’ll see what’s what, prepare to be boarded m8.

michaelmrose ,

I want to say as an employee of an ISP I literally dealt with users who essentially couldn’t get high speed internet anymore at their address because we were the only option and their grandkids downloaded movies. This put the entire household at a grave disadvantage educationally compared to other households. It shouldn’t be a thing.

AlexWIWA ,

Small ISPs have zero interest in enforcing piracy. They don’t want to lose the customers on their highest tiers. Comcast though, they suck

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