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jbk ,

Holy hell, does every Windows 11 device require touch-based input soon or what?

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Looks like they still haven’t learned their lesson from the Windows 8 days…

lud ,

I have never actually used windows 8 but I was on a Win 2012 R2 server earlier today and it’s much much worse than Windows 11. So they have learned something at least.

PalmTreeIsBestTree ,

Same here. I skipped that version of Windows. To me it felt like they simply turned 7 into a tablet focused piece of shit.

Mwa ,
@Mwa@thelemmy.club avatar

No wonder why alot of people are on windows 10

spyd3r ,
@spyd3r@sh.itjust.works avatar

Windows 10 IOT Enterprise LTSC until the heat death of the universe

Mwa ,
@Mwa@thelemmy.club avatar

Oh yeah it’s for business

smb ,

not the home screem

if had to use windows at home i’ld screem too.

not too surprised they didn’t change that.

vanderbilt ,
@vanderbilt@lemmy.world avatar

Uggggh fucking whhhhhy.

I don’t even use Windows and I have to put up with this shit. My parents are going to call and ask how and why they have to use this new thing.

What was gained from this exercise in self-lobotomization? Pick a design language and stick to it.

Stirring the pot like this is driving away even enterprise users. My last org only approved Macs and Chromebooks because we didn’t want to deal with the headaches that windows brought. Imagine saying that statement 10 years ago!

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

If there aren’t any visible changes then the lusers won’t upgrade. “Why did I have to switch to Windows 11 if nothing changed??” etc.

By shuffling the look and feel of the product constantly they can give an impression of actual upgrades being made. The system looks different after your update, after all.

Microsoft already knows that anyone with technical knowledge is looking to dodge this update, they don’t need to make the regular users want to dodge it too.

selokichtli ,

Oh, dang. Laughing in KDE Plasma.

untorquer ,

I die every workday when I have to boot in windows because our CAD doesn’t work on Linux. On the other hand it makes switching back to plasma at the end of work feel as sweet as day 1! I don’t feel like I’ll ever take it for granted.

Anti_Iridium , (edited )

I was just pissed at my PC for “Update and Shutdown” and returning to my PC with it at the lock screen. I think this might be enough for me to leave windows.

Edit: on my gaming PC. Everything else is already KDE Neon or ubuntu.

vanderbilt ,
@vanderbilt@lemmy.world avatar

Fam, jail that windows into a gaming partition and either get a Mac if you aren’t a computer nerd or use Ubuntu if you are. My computing quality of life improved greatly when I didn’t have to use Windows anymore.

untorquer ,

Who even plays games that don’t run well on Linux/proton these days?

You don’t need to be a nerd. Just need to watch a vid or follow ubiquitous guide on how to partition a disk or install second disk. Installing and running Linux is easier than windows these days with most common distros.

The learning curve is easier than the one for each windows update too. At least for plasma, i would assume gnome too.

Still, some enterprise class software only running on windows is a reasonable excuse(for the user). Also not everyone has the drive space or can afford extra hardware. Obligatory privilege check ig.

TheGrandNagus ,

Unfortunately, a sizable amount of multiplayer games. And if you play with friends, that can be an issue.

Thankfully I don’t play any games with problematic anti-cheat, because I have no friends 🧠

Lumisal ,

Modded games too.

Linux is getting there, but it’s really only great for single player games now. That’s what I use it for

MrScottyTay ,

I play games that don’t play well with Linux. Sims 1 & 2 are just straight up broken.

So my Linux PC is actually my WinXP retro gaming PC but Linux is dualbooted for when I want to do more modern stuff on it.

untorquer ,

XP is a fine OS

MrScottyTay ,

Only issue is lack of V Sync for 2d games and the desktop. Which is why it would’ve been nice for Linux to be able to run the Sims 1

lud ,

Mac has a terrible UI though.

pyre ,

i guess they couldn’t find a way to not make it look fucking awful

ulkesh ,
@ulkesh@lemmy.world avatar

Well that looks like pure garbage. Glad I no longer have to deal with it.

GalacticTaterTot ,

I like the phone link integration. I’ve never been a fan out auto-populating app folders though.

Where’s all the ads though? They’ve gotta be thinking about turning one of the folders into a recommended apps folder or something dumb. They’ll sneak something in somewhere.

BmeBenji ,

Amazing! Reading this headline made my bazzite partition grow by 2 whole disk drives!

Pyr_Pressure ,

Every update with these new UI changes seems to increase empty wasted space each time

cyberpunk007 ,

And create more steps to get places.

isolatedscotch ,
@isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

how else are they supposed to get you to use their AI for everything

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

What the fuck is the point of the start button in the middle? Like, did they forget why the space to the right of it even exists.

pyre , (edited )

i keep forgetting it’s in the middle by default. first thing i did was change the setting to put it back on the left corner.

well they essentially copied the Mac dock for no reason. The icons will still go to the right of start but overall the elements will be centered.

clay_pidgin ,

What goes to the left of the center start button?

untorquer ,

That’s the septic tank to store the waste from enshitification.

the_crotch ,

Enshittification is when minor UI changes break my boomer brain

greybeard ,

In this case the person you were responding to was right. It is where they put their news and weather widget. Which only exists to push people onto Bing. It is annoying, and by default pops up on rollover, not click, so it is trivially easy to accidentally pull up, pumping those Bing engagement numbers.

the_crotch ,

I don’t see how centering it changes that. They could just as easily leave the start menu left aligned and put the widgets button next to it

fox2263 ,

It’s actually ideal with an ultra wide I have come to realise.

TheGrandNagus ,

Makes sense on ultrawides.

Also, a start menu that opens in the centre is technically the best. It’s in the most prominent part of the screen, and your mouse typically isn’t far from there.

The start button is harder to hit than simply flinging it into the corner though, definitely.

If you’re the kind of person who opens the start menu with the Windows key, a centre start menu is only an upgrade IMO.

mr_satan ,
@mr_satan@monyet.cc avatar

Never thought about ultrawide screens, that makes sense. Other than that I see no improvement whatsoever. Corner space is way easier to hit with a mouse, but even when using keyboard shortcuts having it in the middle is just an additional adjustment from what it used to be.

An OS should get out of my way and let me do what I do. Changing design language forces me to relearn what I had already had a flow for. In other words it’s utterly useless.

And I just know I’m gonna hate that automatic categorisation of apps, just as I hate web searches from start menu. Alphabetical order is predictable, but this I’d have to relearn.

TheGrandNagus ,

even when using keyboard shortcuts having it in the middle is just an additional adjustment from what it used to be.

How? It’s closer to where your mouse will be, and to where your eyes naturally gravitate.

An OS should get out of my way and let me do what I do.

Yeah. Windows moved from that path a long time ago.

mr_satan ,
@mr_satan@monyet.cc avatar

It’s an easier click target when it’s in the corner. Moving cursor from the middle to the corner is negligible for me since I can reach the whole screen with relatively minor mouse movement.

In the end it’s a muscle memory thing for me. Having the button in the middle just means I have to look for it in a different location than I’ve used to over the years.

TheGrandNagus ,

Yeah that’s why I said corner is superior if you open it with a mouse, and centre is superior for if you do it with your keyboard.

mr_satan ,
@mr_satan@monyet.cc avatar

I wouldn’t consider it superior, just different, in case of a keyboard shortcut.

nyan ,

Makes sense on ultrawides.

In which case, the question becomes: what percentage of users are actually using ultrawides? If it isn’t >50%, then the default should be the setting most appropriate to non-ultrawides. Unless you’re going to autodetect screen resolution and set the button’s location appropriately.

This is not rocket science, but Windows has been blowing it for quite some time now.

Melonpoly ,

I actually prefer it in the middle, it’s easier to get to.

MrScottyTay ,

But it changes position depending on the amount of apps open

Melonpoly ,

I don’t have enough apps open at any given time for that to be a noticeable inconvenience ¯_(ツ)_/¯

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

Weird, but I’m glad it works for you.

Lucidlethargy ,

Yeah, I moved that back the minute I upgraded to 11. It’s much better in the bottom left.

That change was absolutely idiotic. It reminds me of that time Apple changed the scroll direction. Who ever asked for any of this?

MrScottyTay ,

I’ve used StartAllBack to get the start menu exactly how I want it.

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

I dread having to upgrade at work, I set the group policy to deny the upgrade for the moment. They won’t allow me to use ASB.

MrScottyTay ,

Aw that sucks. My biggest issue is the thickness of the new bar. Wastes so much space

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

Oh god yes, you can modify it in the registry (or you used to be able to) but then the date/time gets fucked up. I hate W11 so much

MrScottyTay ,

I like w11, i just hate the taskbar

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

I couldn’t get past the Taskbar long enough to not hate it unfortunately. I also missed quicklinks, which I use a lot.

MrScottyTay ,

What’re quick links?

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

Sorry, it’s Quicklaunch.

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I have my most used applications there so I never have to hit the start button.

MrScottyTay ,

Doesn’t pinned apps on the taskbar work for that same use case? I’ve just used that instead since Windows 7

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

Similarly but not quite. I also have stuff pinned, but the quick launch also allows you to have a menu that you can open with a list of apps too. The icons are also much closer together, so in the space of 5 pinned icons, I can have 11 quick launch icons.

MrScottyTay ,

Fair enough

szczuroarturo ,

I actually use it like that. I dont really see the reason pepole hate it so much. Geniuenly a better place for it (mind you im only talking about placement. The design itself is something else ). Since generaly if you use start menu you focus on it to launch something so it might as well be in tge middle of your screen.

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

I guess that’s fair, but then keep the button on the left.

Eiri ,

IF the categorization works well, and that’s a big if, I like it.

And if the categorization isn’t absolutely perfect, you can bet everyone will be clamoring to be allowed to customize it or disable it.

Bonesince1997 ,

These people are stupid fucks.

gofsckyourself ,

Not my home screem!

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