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experbia ,
@experbia@lemmy.world avatar

bunch of fucking interface designers so deep into their shit that they’re forcing everyone to chase the UX meta and play ranked competitive UI when 90% of everyone is just trying to be casuals and play what they’re accustomed to so they can unwind at the end of the day

“yes well you see moving every interface element on your computer to a totally new location results in a 0.0001% improvement in the average user’s workflow, therefore: bite the pillow, changes are coming, we’re the experts you dumb schlubs!”

Opisek ,

When was it ever about improving it for the end user? From the picture, it’s absolutely terrible. You have what, four folders taking up the whole menu? Yeah, Windows XP had a more efficient workflow than that.

experbia ,
@experbia@lemmy.world avatar

When was it ever about improving it for the end user?

back in the day when it was about building the best interface you could to last the product lifespan, maybe.

that’s not profitable for the designers tho - chasing the current design meta is their version of planned obsolescence for interfaces. “oh that interface looks old so it doesn’t work anymore” - statements dreamed up by the deranged and greedy.

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

I actually liked how the start menu works in Win10, with the rearrangeable/resizable tiles you can put wherever and categorize however you want. That was closer to what’s pictured here, but this is still worse.

How do I get that back?

(…I actually liked Windows 8’s Start Screen as well. I understand this puts me in the minority. Everything else about the Win8 UI was a five alarm dumpster fire, but I liked having a big colorful full screen app launcher that could be arranged in any way you wanted.)

Blisterexe OP ,

How do I get that back?

you can change the kde (linux) launcher to look like that

LavenderDay3544 ,

This is why I use Fedora for everything except gaming and MS Office.

NegativeLookBehind ,
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

I can’t wait!

Lol jk I don’t use Windows garbage

ILikeBoobies ,

I guess it’s better but it should be manual not automatic and it doesn’t fix the “can’t be placed at the top of the screen l” bug

paddirn ,

Not sure when it started, but I’ve already noticed some Start Menu fuckery with just the ‘Sign Out’ portion. I believe you previously just clicked on your profile picture/name and the options for signing out were right there. They’ve “helpfully” hidden those options now beneath a ••• menu for no apparent reason. I was a little aggravated when I first noticed it because it seemingly changed out of nowhere. Not a huge change, but it requires one more click to do now.

Dnb ,

Right click the start menu should be easier to get to iirc

primrosepathspeedrun ,

the changes in windows since 7 are a master class in UX design, as long as you remember it’s a negative.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

they need to bring back a windows 2000 classic style start menu

szczuroarturo ,

I for one dont see the fault in the design itself. Geniuenly looks like something usefull for pepole that use lots of tools.

If not for the fact that it already exist in the goddam pinned section in start menu and it replaces all items menu. Whyyy? These are not replecable by each other.

lightnsfw ,

I use a lot of tools. I access them by hitting the windows key and typing the name of what I want. Or at least I used to before they incorporated a web search into the start menu that fucks it up 8 times out of 10. IDK how they ever thought that was a good idea. If I want to search the web I’ll do it in a fucking web browser.

z00s ,

Thanks, I hate it

Had to spin up a virtual windows machine the other day and was just honestly appalled at how bad the desktop experience is these days

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

its not really that bad though half of the time i dont even use the start menu; i just use something like flow launcher or wox.

lath ,

Looks like they’re going full speed ahead towards their mobile/tablet/TV/PC unishittification.

I believe they want you to seamlessly transfer stuff from device to device, regardless of which, where and why.

lightnegative ,

unishittification, that’s a new one.

I like it!

primrosepathspeedrun ,

but why not use an iterface optimized for each device?

I mean, I know the answers, but I find all of them deeply insulting.

lath ,

Hmm. Not a marketing person, but I’ll try to make an idea that sounds only slightly insulting.

Think of it like this. You’re working from home, a coworker is out in the field doing live research and your boss will be doing a presentation in front of the shareholders. The coworker in the field records data with their phone, sends it to your laptop, you arrange it for your boss, send it to their tablet and the boss just slides it over on the giant TV as they take the credit for your work.

Or a more personal example. You’re at home in the mood for a movie or a game on your budget smart TV, but you’re too lazy to do all the whatever to get it going. So instead just sync your phone, PC/Xbox and TV with a Microsoft/Xbox account and do everything remotely using your phone/tablet as a controller, from the comfort of your couch.

It’s Microsoft NSYNC, baby! And that’s why everything has to be tailored to fit your lovely, greasy fingers. Comfortable comfort. You know you want it!

primrosepathspeedrun ,

okay but that’s all back-end. I actually have an example like this!

okay, so, if im playing an old DRM’d game I have on my desktop, and want to switch to my steam deck, I can do that.

but the interface that works on my steam deck (controller with touch pad, but no keyboard) is maddening to use on my desktop. I know, because I tried it once-steam calls it ‘big picture mode’ and it feels like being crippled when I use it on a computer with a full keyboard and mouse.

but I pick up the deck, and it’s nice. it functions, its interface is pretty close to perfect. and if I tried to use either of those on my phone, i would take a train up to washington and fucking beat a valve employee to death with it.

what you’re talking about is back end interoperability. totally unrelated, and I agree it’s good! also, doesn’t really exist anywhere near as much as it should, but that’s sort of a different problem. see, each of those platforms has different affordances and design conventions. now, you can run compatibility and seamless use, so the video just appears where you want it. I actually have a slightly janky (but best I’ve found) version of that set up on my LAN.

but I would like to be able to click around and take a broader view of the incoming shit on my desktop with multiple 4k monitors. i absolutely need gesture support on my tablet, and on my phone I need gesture support, plus ABSOLUTELY DO NOT have space to display multiple things at once.

I don’t need hamburger menus on my fucking desktop. I got space, and my cursor is precise enough the 90s/00’s are the best we’ve done with UX in that space (because we stopped trying as soon as the iphone dropped). having ONLY ONE THING displayed at once on my desktop is fucking annoying. I have 7680 horizontal pixels over a few feet of space on my desktop, no one thing takes up that much fucking space, nor should it, and I like the ability to click and drag shit from different apps and move shit around and do all that good crap. it’s great! and on my phone or tablet, that doesn’t really work. I should be able to click and drag to my tablet, if I want to set that up (my tablet is air gapped because that’s easier than degoogling and I mostly read+music on it) but my tablet needs a totally different interface, and anything that DOES work for my tablet, where im only ever really doing one thing I need to look at at once, is going to be frustrating as hell on my desktop.

lath ,

Thanks for the in-depth reply and for correcting me.

And you’re right to be dissatisfied, but the tech savvy might not be the intended audience. The burger crowd might be instead. They outnumber the tech crowd by the billion. It’s just more profitable.

primrosepathspeedrun ,

they outnumber the ‘tech crowd’ because we use technology to infantilize outselves, of which this is a prime example.

lath ,

It’s bad for us, but it makes them money, so they are incentivised to not care.

LordCrom ,

Why do they keep changing the thing? Linux mint Cinnamon desktop has kept the same look and I appreciate that.

filcuk ,

New manager need to prove themselves -> can’t do that by small improvements -> dreams up major changes -> gets promoted -> repeat

Is my guess

lightnegative ,

^ this guy corporates

Also, new manager would be part owner in a UX design firm of “experts” that conveniently, via their expert advice, convince management that a major redesign is needed and their firm is the only one that can do it (since everyone knows you can’t get expert advice internally)

80% of the way through the project, the manager gets promoted and moves on, leaving a new manager with no vested interest in their predecessors project to try and clean up the steaming dumpster fire that is now 300x over budget

primrosepathspeedrun ,

and why do they keep making it as actively shitty as they possibly can?

like, I get it, there was room for improvement back when it was just ‘good’. they filled all that room with crap.

the good things about crap, though? nitrogen, phosphorous.

ShepherdPie ,

Oh it’s good they have the “Messages” and “Calls” buttons right there for easy access since so many people message or call my desktop PC.

bufalo1973 ,
@bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

“The return of the Windows Phone”? 🤷‍♂️

flerp ,

That looks pretty ugly. I’m not really a fan of trying to make computers look more like phones but I think I’m in the minority there. Oh well, I never use the start menu anyways, I only have a few programs and they’re all pinned to my taskbar.

FiskFisk33 ,

They are removing the only really useful part of the start menu. Fucking genious.

qevlarr ,
@qevlarr@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks, I still hate it

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