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Some subreddits could be paywalled, hints Reddit CEO

Reddit CEO Steve Huffman has hinted that in future some subreddits could be paywalled, as the company seeks to devise new sources of income.

He suggested that the company might experiment with paywalled subreddits as it looks to monetize new features. “I think the existing, altruistic, free version of Reddit will continue to exist and grow and thrive just the way it has,” Huffman said. “But now we will unlock the door for new use cases, new types of subreddits that can be built that may have exclusive content or private areas, things of that nature.”

This is another move likely to anger Redditors. While the platform is a commercial enterprise, its value derives almost entirely from freely offered user content. That means Redditors feel at least some sense of ownership in a community endeavour, so the company needs to tread carefully when it comes to monetization at user expense.

AbidanYre ,

That dude is really trying to kill his own platform, isn’t he?

Erasmus ,
@Erasmus@lemmy.world avatar

Taking lessons from Elon.

Maybe they need to charge users a monthly fee and add blue check marks. Lol

Technofrood ,

So Reddit gold?

PopcornPrincess ,

I don’t miss the often-regurgitated response of “Gee, thanks stranger” that Redditers would say after receiving gold. It would always annoy me.

Sludgehammer ,
@Sludgehammer@lemmy.world avatar

Taking lessons from Elon.

Wasn’t Huffman singing Elon’s praises after the Twitter purchase?

Thrife ,

I remember that too, but am not that sure…

Oh yeah, he did! nbcnews.com/…/reddit-blackout-protest-private-ceo…

Doing right as his role model!

NickwithaC ,
@NickwithaC@lemmy.world avatar

Huffman is a full on Musketeer.

stonerboner ,

He pointed at Twitter’s “success” after Elon took it over as reasons why he is enshittifying Reddit. That comment is why I left Reddit and haven’t looked back.

goferking0 ,

And after the Twitter api pricing

AbidanYre ,

Ooh, I wonder if he’ll sue all the users that left Reddit to join Lemmy.

SzethFriendOfNimi ,

Quarterly reports demand that line go up.

The line must always go up.

fluxion ,

Short-term gains > *

iAmTheTot ,

Lot of wishful thinking in here. Fact is, Reddit isn’t going anywhere.

Telorand ,

What will likely happen is the worst assholes will be the ones paying for this stuff, much like Xitter, because it is a demonstration of being a part of the alt-right, ultra-capitalist in-group.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

It was wishful thinking when people revolted for 3 days against the API going away. What happened? Nothing. People were back to Reddit as normal a week later. Reddit’s userbase has only grown since then. People will complain to the ends of the Earth but there’s no amount of abuse you can levy at the them that will convince them to make the minor inconvenience of moving to a different platform. See: Twitter.

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

Lemmy’s largest userbase growth of all time, ever, happened during the reddit API fiasco.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Did some people leave? Sure. Any actual significant portion? No, not even a little.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

There’s also no correlation between creating a Lemmy account and completely quitting Reddit.

btaf45 ,

Yes. More than a little. It was a huge event for lemmy. Did you think the entire reddit userbase was going to switch in one week? Reddit didn’t get their userbase in one week. It’s a process. Now there is a well known alternative to reddit. Everything in reddit looks shittier than it was before the exodus. It’s nearly impossible to become a ‘new user’ on reddit and with the rando-bans they keep giving out they are just going to keep shrinking.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Yes. More than a little.

If you’d like to post evidence that contradicts my source, please do. “Leaving” for a few days doesn’t count.

Did you think the entire reddit userbase was going to switch in one week?

I was not discussing anything to do with “switching”, I was discussing users leaving Reddit.

manualoverride ,

If you’d like to post evidence that contradicts my source, please do. “Leaving” for a few days doesn’t count.

I was not discussing anything to do with “switching”, I was discussing users leaving Reddit.

Maybe they encountered so many charming people like you on Lemmy they had to go back to Reddit in case they turned nice?

Would that mean they switched and switched back? Or left and re-joined?

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Ah yes, because we all know Reddit only has the nicest folks…

manualoverride ,

Well it looks like they’re missing at least one 😉

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Missing one…?

manualoverride ,

You of course! Silly goose

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

I don’t get it. I belong on Reddit because I’m a nice person?

manualoverride ,

I was really tempted to continue playing along here but then I thought you may just be Autistic and unable to follow….

You appear to be a little aggressive with your messages, normal people don’t communicate in such a confrontational way. Just take a step back, take a deep breath, and try to have civil disagreements with people.

We’re all just here to read some stuff, learn some stuff and try to ignore our real lives for a bit… let’s try and have fun while we’re here.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

You call me autistic in one sentence and accuse me of being confrontational, then ask me to be civil in the next. I think maybe you need to work on your communication skills.

j4yt33 ,

How many of them are real users vs bots though? It’s easy to inflate numbers

stealth_cookies ,

The way I interpret what he is suggesting is that they are planning on going after Patreon type websites that provide a private paid for space for a creator’s supporters. It’s unlikely, but they could also pretty easily go after OF to keep that traffic on site.

JonnyJ ,

i mean, this is the site that blocked nsfw content from hitting the front page

ch00f ,

It’s kind of indicative of how bad the web has gotten that twitter and reddit still have users. Digg completely imploded over much less than this. Just that back in 2010, there was somewhere else to go.

inb4 Lemmy. I get it, but we’re not there yet.

chonglibloodsport ,

I love Lemmy but I really, really miss the old web. Back when people would just create their own website and put it out there to share their niche interest with the world. People just organically linked their sites to each other to form web rings, an easy method of federation without any reliance on sophisticated server-side software.

amanda ,
@amanda@aggregatet.org avatar

I still do this!

The_v ,

The heyday of the forums. For about 2 years the combination of Tapatalk and forums was awesome. Centralized interface with no ads, all the discussion.

Then they both gutted their functionality and spammed in the ads.

thehatfox ,
@thehatfox@lemmy.world avatar

The makeup of web users has changed a lot since 2010. The average web surfer was a lot less passive in attitude in decades past.

chonglibloodsport ,

The enshittification must go on!

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

He’s trying to make money, he doesn’t care about the platform or its future. The Boeing’s CEO during the two 737 MAX crashes had to resign… with $62.2 million in his pockets. These people live in a different world.

ft.com/…/522fab9c-34f2-11ea-a6d3-9a26f8c3cba4

infinitevalence ,
@infinitevalence@discuss.online avatar

The enshitification will continue until all value is extracted.

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

I kinda love to see it. These companies can’t help themselves.

Banichan ,
@Banichan@dormi.zone avatar

I kinda love to eat, but I’m paying more for less of a worse version.

Arkouda ,

Care to explain how Reddit shitting the bed impacts your ability to eat?

Banichan ,
@Banichan@dormi.zone avatar

I was referring to the enshittification of all things, which has impacted my eating habits

Arkouda ,

I find this comment funny.

BmeBenji ,

Businesses really are just artificial mines, aren’t they?

tiramichu ,

“I think the existing, altruistic, free version of Reddit will continue to exist and grow and thrive just the way it has,” Huffman said.

There’s nothing ‘altruistic’ about reddit

Vanth ,
@Vanth@reddthat.com avatar

I guess reddit was feeding me all those ads out of the kindness of their hearts and took no money for hosting them. “Altruistic”, lol.

The_Picard_Maneuver ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

If anything, they’re the ones benefiting from altruistic users giving them free labor to profit off of.

pleasejustdie ,

Pretty much, when they removed search engines who wouldn’t pay them was the final straw and I went back to reddit (after not being there since the API debacle) 1 last time and replaced all my 26,000 karma worth of comments with “Comment removed in protest of Reddit blocking search engines.” Took me a while, but meh, if they want to hasten its enshitification, I don’t mind doing my part.

kitnaht ,

Some users have actually reported Reddit going back and restoring those very comments.

pleasejustdie ,

yeah, I had heard of that, I’m hoping that since it was a while ago and most of them were the ones done by automated systems and not going through it comment by comment editing them, but I’ll keep at it, if I have to sneak one edit through a day or something.

Shdwdrgn ,

If it’s an automated system, wouldn’t it be written to just look at the original post date, and if the comment was changed (say a month or a year) later, then the script restores the original post? I mean you could get fancy and have the script check if a user is changing all of their comments to the same message, but that seems like overkill. On the other hand, I’ve been running into quite a few posts lately where it’s obvious a single person has simply deleted all of their comments, and I don’t think those are getting reverted?

Cephalotrocity ,

Can confirm. At least, mass deleting via api no longer worked last I tried.

Fapper_McFapper ,

I did the same thing except I deleted all of my comments instead of replacing them. Not only did Reddit undo my deletion they locked me out of my account and no matter what I tried to do I was never able to gain ownership of the account again. Then they sent me letters asking me to buy into their shitty IPO. Fuck Reddit and a very special fuck you to spez.

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

They have an edit history for every piece of content on the site. All you’ve done is post a giant flagpole on all your content stating “this account was previously owned by a real live human” and increased the value of those comments for AI scraping. Unfortunately your protest has done nothing but help them.

The best way to stick it to reddit these days is to not interact with it at all. Don’t add to their data store, don’t give them traffic, don’t click on them in search results. Don’t protest-edit your content because you’re just helping them separate wheat from chaff.

btaf45 ,

Don’t protest-edit your content because you’re just helping them separate wheat from chaff.

How about just replace some of your content with this stuff from time to time.

loremipsum.io

EnderMB ,

Spare a thought for those that have bought Reddit Gold over the years, only to then discover just how much the CEO was paid, up against how much Reddit actually makes as a platform.

It’s not just free labour. They’re literally paying him.

AutomaticUpdates ,
@AutomaticUpdates@monero.town avatar

The altruistic, free version of Reddit is Lemmy.

Telorand ,

Free*

*Except for very real server costs.

AutomaticUpdates ,
@AutomaticUpdates@monero.town avatar

Free*

*as in Freedom, but you’re absolutely right

Telorand ,

Not saying you meant it that way, but people often forget that the Fediverse costs money to run; unlike companies like Reddit, though, the admins are usually not trying to also turn a profit at the same time.

witx ,

The truth is in the better days of Reddit I would’ve paid 2 or 3 dollars to access Reddit if that helped maintain it sustainable and if some of that money reverted to mods. Now? Reddit can burn

a_guy_at_home ,

That was the first sales pitch for Reddit gold. That they just needed a couple bucks a month to pay for the servers. Lots of power uses back then did just that, and felt pretty good about themselves. There were people also arguing even then that anybody who paid Reddit’s bills for them was an idiot, but lots of people did.

witx ,

I mean I get their feelings. Netflix et Al started with reasonable prices and then the greedy fuck heads raised the prices, so I bet Reddit would do it as well.

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

I definitely bought Reddit gold to support them. Then they got all greedy. Today I pay Sync for a nice app and donate to my Lemmy and Mastodon hosts.

thehatfox ,
@thehatfox@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah this feels like a move that would have worked a lot better before Reddit had burned a bunch of bridges with their most active users.

The pool of people with enough goodwill to pay now is likely small, and shrinking. The causal new users probably are that keen to pay up either.

SlapnutsGT ,

What’s next? Change the name of the platform to Y.com?

Dark_Dragon ,

Nah spez_Fu*ker101.com

violetraven ,
@violetraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Wouldn’t be shocked if it cane out he had a burner/secondary on one of ViolentAcrez subreddits

Xeroxchasechase ,

Y not?

CaptPretentious ,

Then following up by threatening to sue all the users who deleted the comments they made and left

Magister ,
@Magister@lemmy.world avatar

I did that in June last year, after 13 years of reddit and thousands of comments, all “gone”

The_v ,

Go back and check again. They are actively restoring deleted comments. About once a month I log back on and delete another round. Usually another 10-15 “mysteriously” pop back up again.

slickgoat ,

I deleted 12 plus years worth and they are still gone.

ShepherdPie ,

I think they’re catching people who are mass deleting comments at once. I recall reading that people were having more success deleting comments in smaller batches during the whole API debacle.

CaptPretentious ,

Son of a bitch your right. All my posts got restored! I ran one of those scripts that went through and deleted them all… and sure as fuck I can find them if I search for my reddit account name.

IchNichtenLichten ,
@IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

Now the IPO is done Reddit has to continually feed the investors at the expense of the quality of the thing that’s supposed to make money to feed the investors.

This is gonna be fun.

RobertoOberto ,

They don’t care as long as they can get in, make a few bucks, and get out. Long-term stability isn’t the priority anymore, just quick profits.

ruk_n_rul ,

Aaron Schwartz didn’t die for this.

sunzu ,

The decent ones always either die or turn into a boomer parasite

violetraven ,
@violetraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The sad thing is yeah, he did, and Alex Ohanian played Switzerland

WatDabney ,

Altruistic? ALTRUISTIC?!

Just who in the fuck does he think he is?!

The only altruists on Reddit are the users who freely provided the content that this fucking parasite feeds off of.

I’m so glad I left that awful shithole of a site.

BradleyUffner ,

And the moderators

ShepherdPie ,

Yeah that word choice is quite a bold strategy after all the bullshit they’ve put their revenue generators (the users and mods) through over the last couple years.

g0nz0li0 ,

This got under my skin too.

That parasite constantly refers to user content and comments and as being the property or Reddit, and his schemes to generate profit off the back of that asset are almost always to the detriment of the user base who are keeping him in business.

Like all rich assholes, he’s got this expectation that everyone will deeply respect and admire his mission to enrich himself by exploiting whatever market he has access to.

smithbird02 ,

I just made a Lenny account because of this. Fuck them

todd_bonzalez ,

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

OutlierBlue ,

What did you do to that poor lemming, you creepy bastard!

Akasazh ,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

Welcome!

Chespirito ,

I’ve switched to using this as well but it has very little user interaction. I hope it grows and is able to compete with Reddit one day. It would be nice to be able to go to a basketball or political subreddit (what do we call them here?) and actually be able to have a nice conversation.

clickyello ,

they’re called lemmy communities, and there’s plenty of interaction! honestly it reminds me of the old days on Reddit before it ballooned into the monster it is today, I legitimately prefer it in every way other than lacking the niche communities (looking at you !2007scape >.>)

you can find good political discussion in !politicalmemes or !news

dunno if there’s any good basketball communities tho, not my bag lol

Chespirito ,

Thank you! And I like the interactions I’ve had so far. It’s just that I’m a huge NBA fan and that’s where I spent most of my time on Reddit. The nba Lemmy community isn’t very big yet but I’m trying to change that by being more active here. I really enjoy this and it feels like actual discussions can be had here unlike on Reddit.

balder1991 ,

Lemmy is naturally more focused on technology, so sports communities will probably continue to be mostly on Reddit.

rglullis ,
@rglullis@communick.news avatar

It doesn’t have to be this way. There are instances focused only on basketball, soccer, American Football, Tennis

rglullis ,
@rglullis@communick.news avatar

It would be great to have people like you on fediverser.network. Follow the subreddits that you miss from there and use to promote the Lemmy alternatives.

And I hope to see you soon on !nba. :)

Excrubulent ,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

“Sub” is a generic term from the BBS days, short for “subforum”, “subcommunity”, whatever, so I just use that. I don’t like to use “community” because it’s long and clunky.

Chespirito ,

I wasn’t aware of that! Thank you for educating me on the term.

OlinOfTheHillPeople ,
NotMyOldRedditName ,

I think this comes down to what the intentions are

Paywall /r/videos? Fuck off.

But create a system like Patreon where a content creator can put their own content and interact with their own users and there’s a revenue share between reddit/creator that doesn’t sound terrible.

If they’re gonna do it on Patreon, why not try and lure them to reddit?

Maggoty ,

Okay now which one are we all expecting?

NotMyOldRedditName ,

Rotating paywalls on any sub greater than 10,000 users.

btaf45 ,

I hope they do that. Another brick in the wall for reddit’s demise.

WolfLink ,

Starting with the second but eventually the first

NotMyOldRedditName ,

Welcome to /r/PremierCatPics where only the best of the best cat pics are allowed to be posted, moderated only by yours truly, ME!

If you want to see the best of the best cat pics, that’ll be $9.99/month, you won’t find cat pics this good in one spot easier anywhere on the internet!

Silic0n_Alph4 ,

K I t t y I n s u b r e d d I t

seaQueue ,
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly, they’ll probably paywall porn first

NotMyOldRedditName ,

Just had some more thoughts on this as well.

If Reddit can lure Patreon users, they could also likely protect that content creators data from being shared on the platform. The creator uploads a commissioned drawing for it’s paid users, and then someone tries to copy it and show it in /r/pics. But since reddit has the source image, they could be scanning for identical images by hash, or matching images via AI and then prevent it from being posted outside the community.

It definitely isn’t THAT easy, but it opens up the potential, and being able to tell your potential customers you have tools to help prevent unauthorized sharing on a prolific platform probably has some merit.

FixedFun ,

Don’t make me dream…

Tilgare ,

Totally. This could be reddits premium answer to a Patreon community with an exclusive Discord server.

MedicPigBabySaver ,

Fuck Spez

givesomefucks ,

Wouldn’t the contributors to those subs just make a new one that’s not paywalled?

Reddit is going to be asking users to pay to generate content on specific subs, but they’re forgetting again that the sub isn’t the important part, it’s the users.

This would just fracture the biggest subs and destroy the communities.

originalfrozenbanana ,

Sure till they copystrike their own subs

HobbitFoot ,

I’ve seen some content creators having a discord channel that is pay to get into where the content creator participates in it as a way to generate additional money. I suspect Reddit wants to do something similar and take a cut of fee.

And I fully expect this to devolve into becoming a new OnlyFans.

captainjaneway ,
@captainjaneway@lemmy.world avatar

The common thread I’ve seen online is this:

  • Google’s search algorithm sucks. I always append reddit.com to get good forum results
  • Reddit’s search algorithm sucks.

These two tools are quickly becoming coupled for Google-Fu expert users. The historical forum history that goes back 3-5 years on Reddit is their goldmine. You can’t just make a new subreddit overnight when a sub gets paywalled. All of that historical data will be lost and paywalled.

I think a paywall could be an effective money maker for Reddit because they’ve basically become their own Google - in that each subreddit acts like a unique website with real, human, responses. The only problem is that reddit has a god awful search algorithm that they refuse to improve. So people use Google to essentially search reddit. The “whales” so-to-speak are the only people they need to capture. People like myself (frugal people) aren’t in their peripherals. But the people that think “I’ll pay each month for NYT” or “it’s just a few dollars for the WSJ” are going to use the same logic for Reddit: “it’s a small amount of money to have access to high quality forums on X, Y, and Z”.

In addition, this might bolster Reddit’s content even further. Since paywalled subs will automatically reduce the amount of AI content spammed on them, they will inherently increase the legitimacy of each forum.

Lastly, this will give them a path towards monetization for moderators which doesn’t require them skimming off of their own pay checks to achieve it.

Do I like this? No. Is this fair? Also no. People contributed to Reddit under the impression that their data would be available and accessible to anyone with an Internet connection. That implicit guarantee is being violated. It’s an afront to the hard working individuals that have developed these communities brick by brick.

But does this “solution” make a lot of business sense? Possibly. As long as they survive the changeover in the short term, I think they’ll thrive from this choice for the reasons I stated above.

Again, it’s going to give them a pathway for:

  • Monetization
  • Reduce AI spam (a big fear of all forums)
  • They could make even more money off the back of this

I’m pretty much over Reddit anyways. Lemmy has been my backup social media for a while now. The Internet is still free - for now. I just hope we can all find better search engines and forums in the future. Google has been degrading. Reddit has been locking things down. We obviously need to pivot to other platforms. Or maybe just go back to the old days where you find niche forums hosted by some dude in his basement. Nothing wrong with that.

rebelsimile ,

I think you’ve gamed out the next step the right way, what that means is that older subs and their content just get locked away behind the paywall. Eventually all of reddit is on the slack free account.

DandomRude , (edited )
@DandomRude@lemmy.world avatar

This is a terrible idea for a site that relies solely on user-generated content and even user-moderation. It’s not like Twitter hasn’t tried this before - didn’t work out so well, I’d say. But hey, this concept probably works for the upper management. I guess it doesn’t matter to them if all that’s left is scorched earth, as long as they can cash out.

alien ,

But they’re going to split the profits with content generators users, right? Right?

DandomRude ,
@DandomRude@lemmy.world avatar

Sure, 1$ for 5.000 high quality posts - but only if it is content that you would otherwise only find in scientific journals; no AI stuff, of course.

postmateDumbass ,

Reddit: what are users for but to extract money from?

kemsat ,

I bet it’s for the porn. I bet you he’s going to paywall the porn.

jprice ,

It’s steve huffman so it’s definitely for jailbait porn.

lefty7283 ,
@lefty7283@lemmy.world avatar

Oh no! Where will I go to see OF spam bots now???

TimeSquirrel , (edited )
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Who goes to Reddit for porn when so many other better options exist? I always thought that was weird. That'd be the last place I'd look for it.

Also, commenting about porn is creepy as hell to me. Like, I do not want to read some other person's opinions/fantasies about a piece of media I'm jerkin' it to. It's like the people that try to make smalltalk at the urinal. Get in, do your business, get out, and keep that shit to yourself.

CarbonIceDragon ,
@CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social avatar

Under a few specific circumstances comments can make sense, like if it’s a community for drawn stuff of one variety or another, that’s used by newer artists looking for constructive feedback.

Deepus ,

I use it only to get niche porn that can be a pain to find manually online.

kemsat ,

I don’t read the comments lol

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar
StealThisComment ,

Burn, baby, burn!

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