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Some subreddits could be paywalled, hints Reddit CEO

Reddit CEO Steve Huffman has hinted that in future some subreddits could be paywalled, as the company seeks to devise new sources of income.

He suggested that the company might experiment with paywalled subreddits as it looks to monetize new features. “I think the existing, altruistic, free version of Reddit will continue to exist and grow and thrive just the way it has,” Huffman said. “But now we will unlock the door for new use cases, new types of subreddits that can be built that may have exclusive content or private areas, things of that nature.”

This is another move likely to anger Redditors. While the platform is a commercial enterprise, its value derives almost entirely from freely offered user content. That means Redditors feel at least some sense of ownership in a community endeavour, so the company needs to tread carefully when it comes to monetization at user expense.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

So…this is for porn.

Only fans, but on Reddit.

I suspect it will work out sickeningly well for them.

ResponsibleBorder746 ,

lol I saw this on reddit and was like fuck it, and made a lemmy account.

Der_Fossyler ,

welcome here 👋

Der_Fossyler ,

welcome here 👋

AbidanYre ,

That dude is really trying to kill his own platform, isn’t he?

Erasmus ,
@Erasmus@lemmy.world avatar

Taking lessons from Elon.

Maybe they need to charge users a monthly fee and add blue check marks. Lol

Technofrood ,

So Reddit gold?

PopcornPrincess ,

I don’t miss the often-regurgitated response of “Gee, thanks stranger” that Redditers would say after receiving gold. It would always annoy me.

Sludgehammer ,
@Sludgehammer@lemmy.world avatar

Taking lessons from Elon.

Wasn’t Huffman singing Elon’s praises after the Twitter purchase?

Thrife ,

I remember that too, but am not that sure…

Oh yeah, he did! nbcnews.com/…/reddit-blackout-protest-private-ceo…

Doing right as his role model!

NickwithaC ,
@NickwithaC@lemmy.world avatar

Huffman is a full on Musketeer.

stonerboner ,

He pointed at Twitter’s “success” after Elon took it over as reasons why he is enshittifying Reddit. That comment is why I left Reddit and haven’t looked back.

goferking0 ,

And after the Twitter api pricing

AbidanYre ,

Ooh, I wonder if he’ll sue all the users that left Reddit to join Lemmy.

SzethFriendOfNimi ,

Quarterly reports demand that line go up.

The line must always go up.

fluxion ,

Short-term gains > *

iAmTheTot ,

Lot of wishful thinking in here. Fact is, Reddit isn’t going anywhere.

Telorand ,

What will likely happen is the worst assholes will be the ones paying for this stuff, much like Xitter, because it is a demonstration of being a part of the alt-right, ultra-capitalist in-group.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

It was wishful thinking when people revolted for 3 days against the API going away. What happened? Nothing. People were back to Reddit as normal a week later. Reddit’s userbase has only grown since then. People will complain to the ends of the Earth but there’s no amount of abuse you can levy at the them that will convince them to make the minor inconvenience of moving to a different platform. See: Twitter.

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

Lemmy’s largest userbase growth of all time, ever, happened during the reddit API fiasco.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Did some people leave? Sure. Any actual significant portion? No, not even a little.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

There’s also no correlation between creating a Lemmy account and completely quitting Reddit.

btaf45 ,

Yes. More than a little. It was a huge event for lemmy. Did you think the entire reddit userbase was going to switch in one week? Reddit didn’t get their userbase in one week. It’s a process. Now there is a well known alternative to reddit. Everything in reddit looks shittier than it was before the exodus. It’s nearly impossible to become a ‘new user’ on reddit and with the rando-bans they keep giving out they are just going to keep shrinking.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Yes. More than a little.

If you’d like to post evidence that contradicts my source, please do. “Leaving” for a few days doesn’t count.

Did you think the entire reddit userbase was going to switch in one week?

I was not discussing anything to do with “switching”, I was discussing users leaving Reddit.

manualoverride ,

If you’d like to post evidence that contradicts my source, please do. “Leaving” for a few days doesn’t count.

I was not discussing anything to do with “switching”, I was discussing users leaving Reddit.

Maybe they encountered so many charming people like you on Lemmy they had to go back to Reddit in case they turned nice?

Would that mean they switched and switched back? Or left and re-joined?

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Ah yes, because we all know Reddit only has the nicest folks…

manualoverride ,

Well it looks like they’re missing at least one 😉

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Missing one…?

manualoverride ,

You of course! Silly goose

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

I don’t get it. I belong on Reddit because I’m a nice person?

manualoverride ,

I was really tempted to continue playing along here but then I thought you may just be Autistic and unable to follow….

You appear to be a little aggressive with your messages, normal people don’t communicate in such a confrontational way. Just take a step back, take a deep breath, and try to have civil disagreements with people.

We’re all just here to read some stuff, learn some stuff and try to ignore our real lives for a bit… let’s try and have fun while we’re here.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

You call me autistic in one sentence and accuse me of being confrontational, then ask me to be civil in the next. I think maybe you need to work on your communication skills.

j4yt33 ,

How many of them are real users vs bots though? It’s easy to inflate numbers

stealth_cookies ,

The way I interpret what he is suggesting is that they are planning on going after Patreon type websites that provide a private paid for space for a creator’s supporters. It’s unlikely, but they could also pretty easily go after OF to keep that traffic on site.

JonnyJ ,

i mean, this is the site that blocked nsfw content from hitting the front page

ch00f ,

It’s kind of indicative of how bad the web has gotten that twitter and reddit still have users. Digg completely imploded over much less than this. Just that back in 2010, there was somewhere else to go.

inb4 Lemmy. I get it, but we’re not there yet.

chonglibloodsport ,

I love Lemmy but I really, really miss the old web. Back when people would just create their own website and put it out there to share their niche interest with the world. People just organically linked their sites to each other to form web rings, an easy method of federation without any reliance on sophisticated server-side software.

amanda ,
@amanda@aggregatet.org avatar

I still do this!

The_v ,

The heyday of the forums. For about 2 years the combination of Tapatalk and forums was awesome. Centralized interface with no ads, all the discussion.

Then they both gutted their functionality and spammed in the ads.

thehatfox ,
@thehatfox@lemmy.world avatar

The makeup of web users has changed a lot since 2010. The average web surfer was a lot less passive in attitude in decades past.

chonglibloodsport ,

The enshittification must go on!

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

He’s trying to make money, he doesn’t care about the platform or its future. The Boeing’s CEO during the two 737 MAX crashes had to resign… with $62.2 million in his pockets. These people live in a different world.

ft.com/…/522fab9c-34f2-11ea-a6d3-9a26f8c3cba4

vxx ,

Porn, they’re going to monetise it.

I always wondered when they will do it. They have the set up.

seaQueue ,
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

Yup, this is going to be their first stop

RagingRobot ,

So they will make money of people’s nudes and they will still expect them to post them for free?

Or maybe they will share it with users? but still this isn’t good for actual communities.

kava ,

I’m guessing there will be some compensation. Something like the streaming model. Company makes $ and gives a cut to user. The most popular ones can make quite a bit. I believe Twitter does this now too if I’m not mistaken. You can get paid based on total impressions to your post

smithbird02 ,

I just made a Lenny account because of this. Fuck them

todd_bonzalez ,

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

OutlierBlue ,

What did you do to that poor lemming, you creepy bastard!

Akasazh ,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

Welcome!

Chespirito ,

I’ve switched to using this as well but it has very little user interaction. I hope it grows and is able to compete with Reddit one day. It would be nice to be able to go to a basketball or political subreddit (what do we call them here?) and actually be able to have a nice conversation.

clickyello ,

they’re called lemmy communities, and there’s plenty of interaction! honestly it reminds me of the old days on Reddit before it ballooned into the monster it is today, I legitimately prefer it in every way other than lacking the niche communities (looking at you !2007scape >.>)

you can find good political discussion in !politicalmemes or !news

dunno if there’s any good basketball communities tho, not my bag lol

Chespirito ,

Thank you! And I like the interactions I’ve had so far. It’s just that I’m a huge NBA fan and that’s where I spent most of my time on Reddit. The nba Lemmy community isn’t very big yet but I’m trying to change that by being more active here. I really enjoy this and it feels like actual discussions can be had here unlike on Reddit.

balder1991 ,

Lemmy is naturally more focused on technology, so sports communities will probably continue to be mostly on Reddit.

rglullis ,
@rglullis@communick.news avatar

It doesn’t have to be this way. There are instances focused only on basketball, soccer, American Football, Tennis

rglullis ,
@rglullis@communick.news avatar

It would be great to have people like you on fediverser.network. Follow the subreddits that you miss from there and use to promote the Lemmy alternatives.

And I hope to see you soon on !nba. :)

Excrubulent ,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

“Sub” is a generic term from the BBS days, short for “subforum”, “subcommunity”, whatever, so I just use that. I don’t like to use “community” because it’s long and clunky.

Chespirito ,

I wasn’t aware of that! Thank you for educating me on the term.

OlinOfTheHillPeople ,
pewgar_seemsimandroid ,

bruh, bruv , brudda, REALLY?

Dearth ,

I got offered a chance to buy into reddit’s IPO. Im glad i didn’t

Kbobabob ,

Isn’t that stock still up?

NotMyOldRedditName ,

I think this comes down to what the intentions are

Paywall /r/videos? Fuck off.

But create a system like Patreon where a content creator can put their own content and interact with their own users and there’s a revenue share between reddit/creator that doesn’t sound terrible.

If they’re gonna do it on Patreon, why not try and lure them to reddit?

Maggoty ,

Okay now which one are we all expecting?

NotMyOldRedditName ,

Rotating paywalls on any sub greater than 10,000 users.

btaf45 ,

I hope they do that. Another brick in the wall for reddit’s demise.

WolfLink ,

Starting with the second but eventually the first

NotMyOldRedditName ,

Welcome to /r/PremierCatPics where only the best of the best cat pics are allowed to be posted, moderated only by yours truly, ME!

If you want to see the best of the best cat pics, that’ll be $9.99/month, you won’t find cat pics this good in one spot easier anywhere on the internet!

Silic0n_Alph4 ,

K I t t y I n s u b r e d d I t

seaQueue ,
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly, they’ll probably paywall porn first

NotMyOldRedditName ,

Just had some more thoughts on this as well.

If Reddit can lure Patreon users, they could also likely protect that content creators data from being shared on the platform. The creator uploads a commissioned drawing for it’s paid users, and then someone tries to copy it and show it in /r/pics. But since reddit has the source image, they could be scanning for identical images by hash, or matching images via AI and then prevent it from being posted outside the community.

It definitely isn’t THAT easy, but it opens up the potential, and being able to tell your potential customers you have tools to help prevent unauthorized sharing on a prolific platform probably has some merit.

FixedFun ,

Don’t make me dream…

Tilgare ,

Totally. This could be reddits premium answer to a Patreon community with an exclusive Discord server.

SlapnutsGT ,

What’s next? Change the name of the platform to Y.com?

Dark_Dragon ,

Nah spez_Fu*ker101.com

violetraven ,
@violetraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Wouldn’t be shocked if it cane out he had a burner/secondary on one of ViolentAcrez subreddits

Xeroxchasechase ,

Y not?

CaptPretentious ,

Then following up by threatening to sue all the users who deleted the comments they made and left

Magister ,
@Magister@lemmy.world avatar

I did that in June last year, after 13 years of reddit and thousands of comments, all “gone”

The_v ,

Go back and check again. They are actively restoring deleted comments. About once a month I log back on and delete another round. Usually another 10-15 “mysteriously” pop back up again.

slickgoat ,

I deleted 12 plus years worth and they are still gone.

ShepherdPie ,

I think they’re catching people who are mass deleting comments at once. I recall reading that people were having more success deleting comments in smaller batches during the whole API debacle.

CaptPretentious ,

Son of a bitch your right. All my posts got restored! I ran one of those scripts that went through and deleted them all… and sure as fuck I can find them if I search for my reddit account name.

RubyRhod ,

Stg I got out just in time.

ChaoticEntropy ,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

“altruistic”… fuck off.

Hackworth ,

Didn’t feel altruistic when they told me I couldn’t put affiliate links in the sidebar for my subreddit.

witx ,

The truth is in the better days of Reddit I would’ve paid 2 or 3 dollars to access Reddit if that helped maintain it sustainable and if some of that money reverted to mods. Now? Reddit can burn

a_guy_at_home ,

That was the first sales pitch for Reddit gold. That they just needed a couple bucks a month to pay for the servers. Lots of power uses back then did just that, and felt pretty good about themselves. There were people also arguing even then that anybody who paid Reddit’s bills for them was an idiot, but lots of people did.

witx ,

I mean I get their feelings. Netflix et Al started with reasonable prices and then the greedy fuck heads raised the prices, so I bet Reddit would do it as well.

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

I definitely bought Reddit gold to support them. Then they got all greedy. Today I pay Sync for a nice app and donate to my Lemmy and Mastodon hosts.

thehatfox ,
@thehatfox@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah this feels like a move that would have worked a lot better before Reddit had burned a bunch of bridges with their most active users.

The pool of people with enough goodwill to pay now is likely small, and shrinking. The causal new users probably are that keen to pay up either.

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar
StealThisComment ,

Burn, baby, burn!

infinitevalence ,
@infinitevalence@discuss.online avatar

The enshitification will continue until all value is extracted.

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

I kinda love to see it. These companies can’t help themselves.

Banichan ,
@Banichan@dormi.zone avatar

I kinda love to eat, but I’m paying more for less of a worse version.

Arkouda ,

Care to explain how Reddit shitting the bed impacts your ability to eat?

Banichan ,
@Banichan@dormi.zone avatar

I was referring to the enshittification of all things, which has impacted my eating habits

Arkouda ,

I find this comment funny.

BmeBenji ,

Businesses really are just artificial mines, aren’t they?

2pt_perversion ,

I’m assuming this is going to be more like a creator space type thing like patreon/OF. It will make reddit worse of course because patreon and OF already exist we don’t need reddit for that but as long as they aren’t trying to paywall user generated content on existing subs I don’t really care that much tbh.

If they paywall my old comments that I’ve left up to help others I’m going to go back and delete them.

Cataphract ,

I could also see them banning outside links for patreon etc if they’re trying to take over that space and get a cut. Huh, guess they’re not happy just getting money from user content, they might feel like they deserve part of the creator’s profits as well.

2pt_perversion ,

As long as the creator knows what they’re getting into when they make a paid subreddit it doesn’t really bother me. And it’s honestly probably a good plan monetarily for reddit. But just like when games started adding microtransactions it’s likely to change the core of reddit even further from what I used to like about it. But I’m on lemmy now anyway…

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