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unmagical ,

Because schools cannot forcibly out students to their parents SpaceX is now incapable of working there? Seems like there’s something else going on.

Eldritch ,

He has a BS cult of personality like trump. And has learned he can distract from his real scandals by causing an overload of stupid shenanigans. That will capture the media focus. And keep it from where it should be.

then_three_more ,

In the UK we call it a dead cat strategy.

There is one thing that is absolutely certain about throwing a dead cat on the dining room table – and I don’t mean that people will be outraged, alarmed, disgusted. That is true, but irrelevant. The key point, says my Australian friend, is that everyone will shout, ‘Jeez, mate, there’s a dead cat on the table!’ In other words, they will be talking about the dead cat – the thing you want them to talk about – and they will not be talking about the issue that has been causing you so much grief.[1]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_strategy

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

elon despises his daughter.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

I don’t know how much it’s he despises her, vs how much he despises what he thinks woke people and the woke education system did to her.

thefartographer ,

Nope, I think Elon is really onto something. Woke schools means we can’t go to space anymore!

LOOK WHAT WE MADE HIM DO!!!

OutlierBlue ,

Men are from Mars. Women are from Venus. But who the fuck knows what planet trans people are from?!

finley ,

according to Hedwig, they’re the Children of the Moon

TheLowestStone ,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

Uranus obviously.

ApatheticCactus ,

Pluto, obviously.

CaptainSpaceman ,

Bullshit.

He just threw down big support for trump, he knows trump cant win CA so this could be a ploy to help him in TX.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/…/ar-BB1q5TOi

Additionally, musks good friend Ken Griffin of Citadel Securities alongside Blackrock are opening a rival to NYSE in (you guessed it) Texas. Whether or not its related, idk.

forbes.com/…/a-billionaire-backed-texas-stock-exc…

radicalautonomy ,
@radicalautonomy@lemmy.world avatar

Believe me when I say that it is not to help Trump win Texas. I’ve lived here for over 40 years, and for the last 25, I have kept hearing how this is a “purple state” and “it’s gonna be a swing state soon”.

It’s not.

It’s not, it never has been, it never will be, and it’s never been worse here. Which is why I’m leaving this hellhole once and for all next week with my cat, and I ain’t never looking back.

LearnedDonkey ,

I ain't never looking back.

Do we have a RemindMe bot on lemmy?
Or maybe the double negative was a Freudian slip 😉

You sound like you fell for some big stereotype-filled detached-from-reality circle jerks, of which, this comment section is one. It actually reminded me for some reason of the Huffington Post's 2016 election predictions. Well, they at least got Texas right. lol.

radicalautonomy ,
@radicalautonomy@lemmy.world avatar

Someone, I’m presuming a teacher, petitioned Texas Department of Family Protective Services which, under the directions of the governor, investigated my ex-wife for daring to have a trans kid in a conservative town.

You can’t respond if you’d like, but I really don’t give a baker’s fuck what you have to say, mate, because you are either willfully ignorant of this fascist bullshit at best or a supporter of it at worst. Either way, maggot-filled bicep gash is more appealing to me that your opinion.

Voroxpete ,

Yeah, his daughter is trans and publicly disowned him. The dude has basically quadrupled down on his transphobia ever since just to prove how totally not butthurt he is over this.

negativenull ,
@negativenull@lemmy.world avatar

Remember when Elon moved Tesla Engineering to Texas, then moved it back to California since he couldn’t get enough people to work in Texas?

Tesla Will Move Its Headquarters to Austin, Texas, in Blow to California - Oct, 2021

Tesla Shifts Its Engineering Headquarters Back To California - Feb. 2023

Imgonnatrythis ,

When asked about his estranged transgender daughter in October 2022, Musk told the Financial Times “Can’t win them all,”

The guy is just an absolute monster. I think this much of a wealth gap for one person would bring out the worst in anyone. His worst is just really really bad. Never click on X links people please. It’s a small thing, but it’s the right thing.

Peppycito ,

Take it one further, don’t use starlink.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

What a fucking chode

KillingTimeItself ,

you think this guy can love every single one of the many children he’s had?

That’s something.

Hobbes_Dent ,

The kind of decision making others feel worthy of an over 50 billion pay package.

Fuck Elon, and fuck the board too. Never buying one with him involved.

unlawfulbooger ,

I will also never buy a spaceship /j

jaybone ,

Maybe if you stopped eating avocado toast and made coffee at home.

pirat ,

Would you download one?

1000005520

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein ,

Do you own stocks through Vanguard? Other index funds? Chances are your money voted for Elon’s pay package, unfortunately.

andyburke ,
@andyburke@fedia.io avatar

I feel bad for the reasonable employees at SpaceX - this sucks for decent people.

Lost_My_Mind ,

I don’t. Look, we already had this discussion years ago. You don’t feel bad for the stormtrooper, or their families when you blow up the deathstar. They knew what they were getting into.

andyburke ,
@andyburke@fedia.io avatar

But they didn't. The guy had me in the first half when he cried because Buzz Aldrin didn't like him. Elon wasn't always so obvious with his bullshit. There was a time when he looked minted as a purveyor of a bright future - the mask slipped.

deegeese ,

The mask has been off for at least 8 years.

No sympathy for anyone who still stans that phony.

andyburke ,
@andyburke@fedia.io avatar

Well, good to know there's no way forward but your way.

essteeyou ,

When did he call that rescuer a “pedo”? Because that’s when I changed my mind on him forever.

Edit: It was June 2018.

Zipitydew ,

Then he fired his PR team not long after that. He pushed out all the people getting paid to help him not look like an idiot.

neoman4426 ,

Musk should likely have all his storage media searched, just randomly accusing people of things like pedophilia for no reason is often projection, "don't look at me, I clearly can't be one as I'm the most vocal about being against them, look over here instead" or whatever

NotMyOldRedditName ,

What Elon did was terrible, but it wasn’t “for no reason”

The dude attacked him in the media, and Elon is petty and vindictive.

Was the harshness of Elon’s response representative of the attack? Absolutely not. But it wasn’t nothing.

bizarroland ,

Yeah see there is a thing called disproportionate response.

If you've got a guy with 100 million followers talking shit about someone else and making wild accusations against them against another person who has practically no following at all, then the response is far too powerful for the issue at hand.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

It was 100% a disproportionate response, I wasn’t saying otherwise.

radicalautonomy ,
@radicalautonomy@lemmy.world avatar

The guy told it like it was. It was a PR stunt and nothing more. His submarine was rigid and stood zero chance of navigating the intricate cave system, of which the caver was an expert. Elon didn’t like his sub (and him by extension) being ridiculed, so he used his social media clout to make an unsubstantiated and nigh libelous claim that the guy was a pedophile.

Whatever Elon’s retaliatory reasons are for his vindictiveness, a rational person can safely assume that those reasons are tied to his hollow soul and crêpe-paper-thin ego.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

He was bullied as a child, he probably never got over it and the power has gotten to his head.

radicalautonomy ,
@radicalautonomy@lemmy.world avatar

I was bullied as a child, and I now work as a math teacher in Title I schools and engage in mutual aid. What’s your point? Why are you making excuses for that cunt?

NotMyOldRedditName ,

It’s not an excuse.

Some people grow up and move past an experience, some people don’t. Some hold onto that hatred and become the bully themselves.

How you handle situations makes you who you are, but it’s up to you to do that.

radicalautonomy ,
@radicalautonomy@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not an excuse. [Provides an excuse.]

Get wrekt, son.

bolexforsoup ,

I’m sure there are plenty of people who started at SpaceX before we all truly knew the monster musk is. Also, the work they are doing is incredibly important. It’s hard to give that up. It shouldn’t be this hard to empathize with people

Peppycito ,

I thought that spacex was “incredibly important” once. Now I realize it’s a fast track to a more fucked earth. By the time we get to “planet B” “planet A” is going to be a fiery ball of shit.

bolexforsoup ,

I’m not saying SpaceX isn’t without valid critiques, but if you don’t see the value of reusable rockets and can’t even give them credit for spearheading that, I’m not sure what else to say. Make no mistake I think Elon Musk is a bigoted piece of shit, but I can also acknowledge that SpaceX has done important work

Milk_Sheikh ,

Yes, the rocket is reusable. The fuel is not, and by lowering the cost per kg of space freight, it has driven more usage of rockets. Which use non-renewable fuel at astounding rates and make huge emissions for a minor payload total.

We’re seeing extreme temperatures and unseasonal weather events already - James Webb is cool and the ISS does need service missions but Starlink is just more orbital trash waiting to happen.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

Starlink will never be orbital trash in any meaningful way. If everything failed today, they’d all deorbit within 5 years. It’s only in higher orbits where shit gets stuck for decades or hundreds of years.

Peppycito ,

Starlink will never be orbital trash in any meaningful way

You’re right. They’ll be atmospheric pollution. That’s what “burn up on reentry” means.

NotMyOldRedditName , (edited )

Well in that case, 100% of things that we’ve launched into space are either

1: Space trash

2: Atmospheric Trash

3: Ocean Trash

Except for the 1st stages of F9 and it’s fairings, and one or two first stages of some other small start ups.

Edit: sorry and the shuttle. In retrospect with the amount of refurbishment it required it wasn’t really “reusable” per say, but it did avoid being ocean trash.

xthexder ,
@xthexder@l.sw0.com avatar

That does seem to be the point this thread is making: Going to space is really bad for Earth’s environment. SpaceX and starlink are just accelerating that.

Peppycito ,

I’d like to see what people’s reactions would be if we put all the 6,219 starlink satellites in a pile on the ground and lit them on fire. Would they say “fuck yeah! Fast internet!” or would they say “are you out of your mind?”

And they plan on having 12,000 or something each lasting about 5 years.

bolexforsoup ,

Rocket launches are not why climate change is occurring.

Milk_Sheikh ,

It’s not helping. We aren’t going to get a “deus ex machina” moment on righting damage done to the environment. Yes focus on the bigger goals and pollution sources, but this is a trend in the wrong way to enlarge Elon’s money pile.

bolexforsoup ,

You’re missing the forest for the trees and way over estimating how much pollution rocket launches put out.

We have to leave the planet, which means we need to practice so to speak, and those rockets are the only way we are going to get out there right now. The pollution produced by them is well worth it.

laurelraven ,

We need to leave the planet? For where?

For a planet that’s completely incapable of sustaining life?

Do you realize that it’ll take many, many orders of magnitude more resources, time, and effort to make literally any other celestial body within several years of space flight of us capable of sustaining life than it will be to fix the habitable planet we have right here?

We’re not getting off this rock without stabilizing it enough to sustain us long-term first. And by then, we won’t need to leave. Either way, though, evacuating isn’t a viable solution.

And if you don’t believe me, go talk to some biologists.

Peppycito ,

Do you know what all those puffy clouds coming out of the engines at engine cut off and start up are? Kerosene or methane and oxygen. Do you know what injecting methane and kerosene into the upper atmosphere does to the planet? No, no one does because it wasn’t ever a problem when there were 5 launches a year. Now that there’s 5 launches a month we’re getting to the find out stage.

Same with starlink. What does aerosolized aluminum (and whatever else is “just burning up” on reentry) do to the upper atmosphere? When there were one or two satellites a year how would you know? Now that there’s several a month (20 in the last launch that didn’t make it up) we’ll find out.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say none of that will prove beneficial to life on earth. But yeah, the rocket is pretty cool.

bolexforsoup ,

I am against Starlink just fyi

Peppycito ,

Love the launcher, hate the payload?

bolexforsoup ,

lol yeah I guess

skyspydude1 ,

Knowing many people who’ve worked for him, you have about 6 months at a MuskCo brand company max before you really know what a piece of shit he is, and either a.) leave ASAP, b.) convince yourself it won’t be so bad and hang on for ~2 years, or c.) fall into the cult of personality and believe that Daddy Elon loves his little proles and cares very much about all the hard work you’re doing [EMPLOYEE NUMBER HERE].

The absolute last stop on the “Musk is Tony Stark but IRL epic gamer Redditor and likes weed and Rick and Morty!” train was when he called that cave diver a pedophile. It was apparent well before then, but anyone acting like they had no idea what a piece of shit he was after that either didn’t hear about it, or was willfully ignorant because they wanted to continue pretending that basing their entire personality around a billionaire wasn’t a terrible idea.

IllNess ,

Stormtroopers is fair. What about maintenance staff?

What about prisoners?

deegeese ,

Does Elon Musk profit off slave labor from prisoners?

Irremarkable ,
@Irremarkable@fedia.io avatar

Considering the mining industries for many of the rare earth metals needed? Yeah he does.

Plus there's the whole apartheid emerald slave mine thing, which is how daddy made the money he got to play with.

nulluser ,

I don’t think any of those people are being relocated to Texas.

Nfamwap ,

Lucky for them, eh?

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z6SFL5fCCg

they built another deathstar right? the first one was completed and fully operational before the rebels destroyed it and the second one was still being built when it was blown up

the first death star was manned by the imperial army only people on board were stormtroopers dignitaries imperials so when they blew it up no problem evil punished

the second time around it was not even done being built yet was still under construction job of that magnitude would require a hell of lot more manpower than the imperial army had to offer

bet they brought in independent contractors in on that thing plumbers aluminum siders roofers

in order to get built quickly and quietly they would hire anyone to do the job you think the average stormtrooper knows how to install a toilet main

all they know is killing in white uniforms

all those innocent contractors brought in to do job are killed casualties of a war they had nothing to do with

alright look you’re roofer some juicy government comes your way you got a wife the two kids in suburbia

this is a government contract with all sort of benefits and along come these left wing militants and blast everything in a three mile radius with their lasers

they did not ask for that they had no personal politics they were just trying to scrape out a living

Pieresqi ,

“Innocent contractors”

Wtf 🤮

In my book it doesn’t matter if you are building or operating the gas chambers.

CarbonatedPastaSauce ,

I think Andor settled this fairly definitively.

Krono ,

I’m a little surprised that this comment has gotten so many upvotes.

Would you apply this same logic to the real world? For example, imagine if a manufacturing facility for Lockheed Martin or General Dynamics was bombed and thousands of working class Americans died. These people are building bombs that are being used in an ongoing genocide.

Would you consider this a heinous terrorist act, or a noble strike in the fight for freedom?

Pieresqi ,

Noble strike.

Death to american hegemony.

Zirconium ,

what about the restaurants that feed those workers? or the farmers that grow the crops? or the worker’s families

Pieresqi ,

Since you are maliciously leading it in this direction I will intentionally skip to the end.

We should kill every human because we share DNA.

Happy ?

IzzyScissor ,

I mean, the stormtroopers were largely either conscripted, or they were clones who were raised in it. Very few were actual mercenaries or people who had a choice to join or not. I still feel bad for them.

tiredofsametab ,

Especially when the job market contracted with all the IT company layoffs, some people may be stuck in jobs they hate because opportunities are few and they'd rather not be homeless or have their kids not have food and so on.

Darkassassin07 ,
@Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca avatar

Maybe 5 years ago. They’ve had plenty of time to see reason and jump ship to anyone else. Elon hasn’t exactly been quiet with his escapades…

andyburke ,
@andyburke@fedia.io avatar

True, but I don't know everyone's situation.

Brkdncr ,

People hate switching jobs.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

if you’re working at spacex or tesla you’re not reasonable.

nulluser ,

… or xitter.

radicalautonomy ,
@radicalautonomy@lemmy.world avatar

I have always felt Twixxer rolls off the tongue better, so I’m surprised Xitter seems to have gained more traction.

nulluser ,

In this narrow case, it’s considered proper/correct to pronounce the “x” like an “sh”, which greatly improves the tongue rolling.

jonne ,

If you’re working at one if his companies at this stage you probably already know about his management “style” and you’ve either already updated your resume or you’re just cool with it.

Nollij ,

Let’s not forget the Golden Handcuffs. Although given what was reported from Twitter, I’m not sure that applies.

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

I hate this clown

pivot_root ,

That’s insulting to clowns.

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Right, sorry

Wytch ,

I know that this is vile and sick and cruel but goddamn, that headline is so fucking batshit stupid I laughed out loud.

What a colossal dipshit.

MrMcGasion ,

No way that’s the real reason, the real reason is taxes. So many California millionaires move to Texas for the low tax, only to realize once they’re there that it’s a shitty state with a barely-functioning power grid. Unfortunately it never seems to click for most of them that the low taxes is a big part of why they don’t have a competent state government.

Wytch ,

If it isn’t, then it’s worse, because that means he’s only saying it out of cruelty and petty malice. And it means I now loathe him somehow more than I already did.

BallsandBayonets ,

I’m sure they’re aware, they just don’t care. Being wealthy they can buy more than their fair share of the power grid, or any other utility or government service, for less than they would pay in taxes in a functioning state.

Freefall ,

I had to pause as my brain processed it, returning only “yep…ok…um, sure…”

BrightCandle ,

He is just a continuous liar, its about taxes it always is.

ayyy ,

Billionaires don’t pay taxes anyways, silly.

mp3 ,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

He would have done it anyway.

Baroness_Buttslut ,
@Baroness_Buttslut@sh.itjust.works avatar

This.

He is virtue signaling. He just move to avoid higher taxes kike he did before

linja ,

I think this is more accurately vice signalling.

kungen ,

Unfortunate typo there…

dustyData ,

He has done it before. SpaceX had to move back to California because nobody wants to work in Texas.

IzzyScissor ,

… What? The final straw was … not having 100% up-to-date information on the gender expression of every child in the state?

The fuck?

doingthestuff ,

There are a million reasons to move out of California but there are a million reasons to not go to Texas.

hessenjunge ,

I think this works better when the numbers are not equal:

There are a thousand reasons to move out of California but there are a million reasons to not go to Texas.

vaultdweller013 ,

Also why not relocate to Nevada, Arizona, or fuck even Idaho would could be better than Texas. Idaho is the least developed out of those three and even then it still gets a tonne of advantages of being in the rocky mountain/ western states region.

dubyakay ,

I can’t believe reddit used to love this dude.

Gsus4 , (edited )
@Gsus4@programming.dev avatar

All media gave him free uncritical publicity for decades. They inflated his ego, branded him as a genius and built him a legion of fanatics. Now the media see the monster they created, but it is too late to undo :/

PS: I just noticed this is the tech community…why is this posted here?

androogee ,

Space X is a technology company, why wouldn’t it be posted here?

The media doesn’t give a shit. They’re doing trump AGAIN, same exact way they did before.

Profit has killed ethics in so much of journalism.

Gsus4 , (edited )
@Gsus4@programming.dev avatar

this is a mere business update about a tech company…nothing about tech that any other company couldn’t do.This exact same thing could have happened 100 years ago with some airline magnate who decided to move headquarters for some legal/accounting/marketing reason :D

Tech is about new products, principles, ideas, patents, methods, engineering, achievements, etc.

PS: !business

nucleative ,

There was that moment it time when he was the underdog doing cool stuff. It seemed like he couldn’t screw up, because his companies were hitting the ball out of the park one after the other.

Then the pedo guy debacle taught us who he really is.

PanArab ,

Yes, that cave incident proved who he was to those who did not know his racist apartheid background

FiskFisk33 ,

it wasn’t just reddit, it felt like half the world saw him as that iron man dude

filister ,

I actually used to admire this guy, based on the image he had created for himself (self-educated in rocket science, which I highly doubt) but the Thai cave incident and calling one of the divers pedo, opened my eyes.

I_poop_from_there ,

Same here, I used to have this image in my head of a eccentric entrepreneur pushing technology to the max with ‘fuck you money’.

Sure he said some crazy shit sometimes, but it kind of felt like he didn’t have much of a filter.

Around the time of the Thai cave thing this started to change, but I still gave him the benefit of the doubt until that point.

After that, things just went down hill…

Darkassassin07 ,
@Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca avatar

If SpaceX moves, and it’s worker’s are unwilling/unable to move; does that grant them severance?

I’d take that out.

Crikeste ,

Disney did something similar recently and fucked over some of their employees because they eventually decided against it. Might be able to find your answer there.

wintermute_oregon , (edited )

Severance is not required by law. So no, it doesn’t grant them severance.

todd_bonzalez ,

Severance is required by law.

Where? In America?

I’m afraid not.

wintermute_oregon ,

Sorry missed a word.

ByteOnBikes ,

This is hilarious. With the Texas electrical system, there’s going to be days when they cant operate.

My company cancelled opening up a campus there because of that issue!

nomous ,

He could drop a few billion into TX power grid infrastructure and probably buy quite a bit of goodwill.

RidgeDweller ,

Dude could foot the bill to end world hunger. Doubt either would happen anytime soon. The last charitable thing I can remember him doing was offering that dumbass submarine in the Thai cave rescue before calling the actual rescuer a pedo.

vaultdweller013 ,

Also investing into local infrastructure or running your own seperate seperate infrastructure is more of a Fordian thought process. Which has been all but abandoned by the modern corporate class. I legit dont get why companies with large campuses specifically with large parking lots arent fallibg over themselves to build awnings with solar panels on top.

Don_alForno ,

Sounds like taxes with extra steps.

MyOpinion ,

If they can keep the power on, I am sure this will work out great for you.

friend_of_satan ,

“Build the power wall! And make California pay for it!”

lost_tortie ,
@lost_tortie@lemmy.world avatar

What a vile, lying, manipulative piece of shit 🖕

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