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darkevilmac ,
@darkevilmac@lemmy.zip avatar

The locomotives yearn for the tracks

bionicjoey ,

Further proof that America needs to invest in electrified rail

FireRetardant ,

All the “self driving” cars are trying to evolve into proper trams and railways

CaptKoala ,

Fuckin gunzel

0x0 ,

Was the driver asleep or something? The car drove quite a bit on the tracks… sure, blame Tesla all you want (and rightly so), but you can’t really claim today that the car has “autopilot” unless you’re hunting for a lawsuit. So what was the driver doing?

TheEighthDoctor ,

That’s what I was thinking, your car starts doing something fucking stupid and you just let it?

barsquid ,

Tesla owners be like.

emogu ,

Elon take the wheel

IvanOverdrive ,

Well what’s the point of self driving if you can’t have a wank on the drive home?

TheEighthDoctor ,

I can tell you wank with your eyes closed :D

echodot ,

Delicately put. But essentially that’s why self-driving cars are not really seen outside of Tesla. Unless the technology is basically perfect there’s essentially no point to it.

Tesla have it because they use the public as guinea pigs.

I wouldn’t mind if they all had to go to some dedicated test track to try it out and train it and outside of those environments it wouldn’t turn on. If they want to risk their lives that’s their prerogative, my problem is that it might drive into me one day and I don’t own a Tesla so why should I take that risk?

T156 ,

It’s rather reminiscent of the old days of GPS, when people would follow it to the letter, and drive into rivers, go the wrong way up a one-way street, etc.

echodot ,

There was a legal case recently where somebody drove off a bridge that wasn’t there. At some point you have to take personal responsibility since the outcomes will be extremely personal.

BruceTwarzen ,

It’s hard to tell who’s worse at driving. Tesla owners or their auto pilot

mannycalavera ,
@mannycalavera@feddit.uk avatar

California, so I’m I’m guessing the driver was getting head at the time whilst drinking beer.

Thavron ,
@Thavron@lemmy.ca avatar

He was focusing on the caboose

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Even if asleep, how do you sleep through that? Would be super bumpy.

NutWrench ,
@NutWrench@lemmy.world avatar

Who needs a driver? This car has AUTOPILOT.

But seriously, Tesla “autopilot” is nothing more than a cruise control you have to keep an eye on. Which means, it’s NOT “autopilot.” This technology is not ready for the real world. Sooner or later, it’s going to cause a major, horrible accident, involving dozens or people. Musk has enough connections to avoid any real-world consequences but maybe enough people will get over their child-like worship of billionaires and stop treating him like he’s the next Bill Gates.

nevemsenki ,

Somewhat ironically, autopilot for airplanes is more less attitude/speed holding for most history. More modern systems can now autoland or follow a preprogrammed route (the flight plan plugged into the FMS), but even then changes like TCAS advisories are usually left up to the pilots to handle. Autopilots are also expected to give control to the pilots in any kind of unexpected situation.

So in a way tesla’s naming here isn’t so off, it’s just the generic understanding of the term “autopilot” that is off somewhat. That said, their system is also not doing much more than most other level 2 ADAS systems offer.

On the other hand, Elon loves going off about Full Self Driving mode a lot, and that’s absolutely bullshit.

Wrench ,

Comercial pilots also have a lot of training, huge list of regulations and procedures for every contingency, amd a copilot to double check your work.

Tesla has dumb fuck drivers that are actively trying to find ways to kill themselves. And an Orange wedged in the steering wheel is the copilot. To trick sensors.

Maybe the latter should not be trusted with the nuance that is the “autopilot” branding.

echodot ,

I think the counter to that is that aircraft manufacturers know that the people flying their aircraft are not idiots and actually know what the autopilot button does. Meanwhile Tesla knows that the people driving their cars are idiots and don’t know what the autopilot does.

In the US they let kids drive for god’s sake. Sure they’ve passed a test but what does that mean in the real world?

rottingleaf ,

Because 2007+ have seen an influx of new computer users, mostly using mobile devices, many of them thinking that this is how computer use looks now and that this is the future.

Now the iPhone generation (including adults and seniors who haven’t used anything smarter) thinks that you can replace any expert UI with an Angry Birds like arcade on a touchscreen.

If real autopilot to be trusted were possible for airplanes now, we’d see fully automated drone swarms in all warzones and likely automated jets (not having the constraint of G-forces survivable by a human, and not requiring life support systems at all), but in real life it’s still human-controlled FPV drones and human-piloted jets.

Though I think drone swarms are coming. It’s, of course, important to have control over where the force is applied, but a bomb that destroys a town when you need to destroy a house is often preferable to no bomb at all.

The point was that people want magic now and believe crooks who promise them magic now. Education is the way to counter this.

SkybreakerEngineer ,

Musk did prove he doesn’t know what a train is

tabular , (edited )
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

Removed

HaleHirsute ,

This sounds like a metaphor for Elon endorsing Trump.

Rayspekt ,

How cute, it trainsitioned

TRAINSITIONED, CORAL

Annoyed_Crabby ,

Aww, it want to be train, let it be train.

SendMePhotos ,

Isn’t it the responsibility of the driver during autopilot?

todd_bonzalez ,
@todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee avatar

Hello Tesla PR department.

Takumidesh ,

I just don’t understand how someone can read all the warnings, get a driver’s license (implying their knowledge of the rules of the road) and presumably have years of driving experience and magically think it’s ok to just stop paying attention.

It doesn’t matter if the car fully promotes itself as self driving, it doesn’t matter if the laws surrounding it still require you to be present and in control.

It’s no different than 1000hp cars, just because the car is marketed as such, doesn’t magically make it legal to go 200mph.

todd_bonzalez ,
@todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee avatar

You don’t understand why people would think that a feature called “full self-driving” is capable of fully driving the car itself?

NotMyOldRedditName , (edited )

Anyone who agree’s to this warning, and thinks the car is capable of fully driving themselves, is an idiot

"Full Self-Driving is in early limited access Beta and must be used with additional caution. It may do the wrong thing at the worst time, so you must always keep your hands on the wheel and pay extra attention to the road. Do not become complacent. … Use Full Self-Driving in limited Beta only if you will pay constant attention to the road, and be prepared to act immediately …

Now, I don’t know if that warning exists after it became Full Self Driving (Supervised) when V12.X became a thing and he gave free demo’s to everyone, but at that point its name literally includes SUPERVISED, so really, they’re idiots either way.

SendMePhotos ,

I wish. I bet they’d pay bank.

chonglibloodsport ,

I think it’s every responsible driver’s duty not to buy a Tesla!

perviouslyiner , (edited )

Human drivers have done this before. Navigation system says “turn right”, they don’t realise it means after the level crossing.

Etterra ,

Driver: no Tesla that’s not a road!

Tesla: YOLO!

dmalteseknight ,
@dmalteseknight@programming.dev avatar

The Autopilot was in TRAINing mode

Buffalox ,

And it has a great TRACK record in training mode.

Aceticon ,

It certainly was CHUGGING ALONG nicelly.

IllNess ,

Roads really need a standard for sensors specifically for autopilots.

GPS and cameras reading lines, signs ,and lights aren’t good.

eronth ,

Eventually a great idea, but that’s not rolling out particularly soon.

wieson ,

Yeah, like a digital “ideal line” that the cars can follow.

Maybe even a physical guiding line.

We could even connect all the cars via WLAN (WiFi) to exchange info when they are braking and accelerating. That would increase efficiency.

Maybe we could even connect them physically to have a stronger engine pulling more cars more efficiently.

If we already have an ideal guiding line, we might actually save some asphalt and make the roads more optimised. Use different materials so the tyre particles don’t pollute as much.

Ah, let’s just build a train.

Moneo ,

Or just fund public transportation instead :)

IllNess ,

Autopilot buses could use this too.

FireRetardant ,

Or just buld a tram that rides on rails. More effecient and no need to over engineer an autopilot system

echodot ,

You have to lay tracks for a tram though, means changing the route isn’t that easy. Self-Driving buses would actually be more efficient since you could alter the route on a hourly basis if you wanted optimized by traffic and destinations required.

All that could be easily automated, but you lose that if you have a physical track you have to run along.

FireRetardant ,

I don’t want to waste any more tax money trying to make one of the least effecient modes of transport more autonomous. Just build an electricrfied tram if thats what you want.

blarth ,

The United States is simply too large and distributed for everyone to use public transportation. It will never happen, so get used to it and try to optimize what will be part of our future.

FireRetardant ,

The majority of trips people make are within their own city/local region. Thats where transit should be implemented first. Your country is not “too big” for transit

If your country is too big for transit, it is certainly too big for all sorts of sensors and such in the roads to assist autonmous driving.

blarth ,

It is too distributed in too many places for mass transit. The religious fervor over the fuck cars movement is not going to get people in highly populated, low density areas to walk a mile to catch a bus to catch a train full of homeless people to catch another bus to walk a half mile to their destination, when they could have completed that same journey in the comfort of their own car in 1/4 of the time.

Take Dallas for instance. I’m not going to do the work for you, but feel free to plan a trip from a random house in Allen, TX to a business 5-10+ miles away using both the public transit system and then a car. No one sane with limited time in their day is opting for the public transit option. And this is in a city with a decent passenger rail system.

FireRetardant ,

All of those issues could be fixed by building around transit being the prioirty instead of the car. Some cities actually have transit that is faster than a car because transit gets priority at intersections and can take a more direct route.

blarth ,

I’m open to ideas. Show me an example of it.

FireRetardant ,

The new york city subway is often faster than driving. Many cities in the Netherlands have faster transit or cycling times than driving due to careful planning and priority. Japan has high speed rail connecting many of its cities, most trains going faste than highway speeds, some doubling or even tripling highway speeds.

Also north america was founded on trains. If we could build trains 100 years ago we can build better ones now.

blarth ,

All of those are very densely populated places.

FireRetardant ,

Which is a big part of the problem. But not all Netherlands cities are super dense, many have suburbs serviced by transit and with cycling paths. When they were built they considered transit and cycling access when they built them.

There is also the issue of land use. Many of those cities have looser zoning laws than the states which makes it easier for stores to open near peoples homes and scattered throughout the city rather than having to go to a massive commercial district with walmart and 5 other big box stores in a wasteland of parking.

No one is saying a tiny farming town of 500 people needs high speed rail but cities into the 100s of thousands of people can certainly support a transit network, and many did before their trams were ripped out and their right of way given to cars.

Erasmus ,
@Erasmus@lemmy.world avatar

Choo Choo! Morherfuckers!!

NotMyOldRedditName ,

It’s exceptionally unlikely that AUTOPILOT did this.

AP only follows the lane/road you’re in.

Maybe it was FSD, but this is terrible reporting.

xthexder ,
@xthexder@l.sw0.com avatar

A perfect example of why calling it autopilot in the first place was a bad idea. The name misrepresents the feature, which is really just lane keeping and a few other minor things.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

The name does not misrepresent the feature, and has been used accordingly in aviation for decades.

ji17br ,

Yes, because the general public are aviation experts.

JovialMicrobial ,

I feel like driver assist is a better representation of what this feature is.

Gps autopilot on sail boats has been around for a long time now(not talking about windvane selfsteering) and it will keep course via the rudder, but if the wind changes it won’t shift the sails so you still have to keep watch and either change the sails, or change course to follow the wind.
If you don’t pay attention and the wind changes the sails start flapping and shit can get messy.

The point is that while car autopilot does match the definition of nautical autopilot and how it funtions(it needs human oversight) I would never expect someone who’s never gone sailing with an autopilot device being used to know how it works and that someone needs to watch it and why. It’s niche knowledge and kinda foolish to expect people to just know stuff like that.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

I don’t expect random people to know, but the media who’s reporting on it? Yes, I do expect that, and it’s terrible reporting when they get it wrong. It just continues to spread incorrect information, which gets further turned into misinformation.

Also anyone who actually activates it in the car goes through the little how it works and what it’s short falls are. If they didn’t know prior, they’ll know then, just like with boaters who learn how it works and what it’s shortfalls are.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Can’t wait for robotaxis.

frankspurplewings ,

Waymo is a thing

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Tesla Robotaxis, which is supposedly their Next Big Thing, you goober :)

frankspurplewings ,

Oh! I had no idea. I rarely hear about Tesla 🤷🏼‍♀️

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, I was taking a dig at Tesla.

Whose stock has gone through the roof on promises of, uh, rrobotaxis.

TimeSquirrel ,
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Someone accidentally included Back to the Future 3 footage in the training data.

EleventhHour ,
@EleventhHour@lemmy.world avatar

But only the very last scene

GamingChairModel ,

“Where we’re going, we don’t need tracks”

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