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douglasg14b ,
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

Build it, don’t turn it on, watch all the residents complain about new ailments and conditions caused by the 5G.

Reveal that it’s never even been powered to really hammer home their ignorant bullshit.

The cognitively impaired should not be able to do this sort of shit.

TimeSquirrel , (edited )
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Jesus, an entire town falling for unscientific bullshit.

It's also not like they're going to point the antennas straight down at the school. They have directionality. I bet not one RF engineer was consulted.

I'd like to walk these people through the school with an inductive amplifier probe and let them hear the 60hz hum and its harmonics permeating every hallway and classroom.

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

My 5G coverage isn’t good, it may be time for another COVID shot.

werefreeatlast ,

Ok now everyone put your magnetized needles in the Styrofoam and then make them float in the water to reveal where magnetic north is!

Ahh teacher… Magnetic north is dancing metal rock right now.

bluewing ,

Thank god I’m safe! And I will be dead and gone before it happens here. It’s going to be decades before 5G is implemented where I live. Hell, 4G is spotty and unreliable even yet today. Even 3G was terrible.

chiliedogg ,

My issue with Verizon 5g is that it is worse than their old Edge service.

5g on my signal bar essentially means “doesn’t work.” It wasn’t an issue when I could turn off the 5g radio, but Samsung pushed an update that removed that option.

Cocodapuf ,

This is hilarious, a win-win in my book. I get to laugh at the ridiculous claim about radio waves frying people’s brains or whatever, and at the same time, every day of stalling hurts an exploitive POS telecom company.

I’m rooting for the loonies! Protect our kids! You show those lizard people!

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Lol.

But T-Mobile is less bad the other telecoms. The enemy of my enemy and all that.

ShepherdPie ,

Not so much anymore after kicking a bunch of people off their plans when they had guaranteed pricing along with a bunch of other shitty shenanigans they’ve been up to as of late. I’ve been a customer for close to 20 years but am thinking about jumping ship as of late.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I actually use a T-Mobile MVNO, so I don’t have experience with their customer service.

They seem to have the biggest variety of options for resellers, so if you like the coverage but not the customer service, you have options.

boatsnhos931 ,

It’s those got damn lizard people

Sam_Bass ,

How does anyone become sensitive to a 5g wireless signal? I could see maybe z pscemaker or some kind brain stimulator device but just a bare bones corpus delecti would seem to be known early enough to decide not to live near the broadcaster

Sabata11792 ,

How does anyone become sensitive to a 5g wireless signal?

Stupid and uneducated people not fit for modern society that get exposed to raw internet tend to be the most vulnerable group.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Not enough attention as a child, wants to get on TV, cant accept that their shit diet and aging means they dont feel like a 21 year old anymore.

Maybe all three.

0x0 ,

The planning board’s decision was based on health concerns due to the possible negative environmental impact of telecommunication on the residents, especially the children studying at the school who could potentially be exposed to electromagnetic radiation.

Because that surely would be the only cell tower in town.

the_crotch ,

Oh no, not electromagnetism! Someone tell these dipshits we live on a gigantic magnet

zalgotext ,

Also tell them we’re constantly bombarded by electromagnetic radiation on the daily from the fucking sun

AA5B ,

And every room has electromagnetic emitters blazing on the ceiling

limelight79 ,

I wonder what the wifi access in the school is like?

Page 3: Wireless infrastructure at all buildings, in 2015.

afraid_of_zombies ,

They are missing out on a chance to get their free 5G magnetic mark of the beast skin

tal , (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

The planning board’s decision was based on health concerns due to the possible negative environmental impact of telecommunication on the residents, especially the children studying at the school who could potentially be exposed to electromagnetic radiation. The town felt the residents would be ‘unsafe’ due to radio frequencies and rejected the company’s notion of building the tower on the land.

I mean, I think that the planning board is idiotic, but I don’t see why T-Mobile cares enough to fight it. If they don’t build it, okay. It looks like the school in question is right in the middle of town. Then Wanaque is going to have crummy cell coverage. Let them have bad cell coverage and build a tower somewhere else. It’s not like this is the world’s only place that could use better cell coverage. The main people who benefit from the coverage are Wanaque residents. Sure, okay, there’s some secondary benefit to travelers, but if we get to the point that all the dead zones that travelers pass through out there are covered, then cell providers can go worry about places that are determined not to have have cell coverage.

If I were cell companies, I’d just get together with the rest of the industry and start publishing a coverage score for cities for cell coverage. Put it online in some accessible database format, so that when places like city-data.com put up data on a city, they also show that the city has poor cell coverage and that would-be residents are aware of the fact.

Zak ,
@Zak@lemmy.world avatar

A quick web search for third-party coverage information tells me that Wanaque has good coverage from Verizon and poor coverage from T-Mobile. It’s easy to guess why T-Mobile might be motivated to change that situation.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

www.verizon.com/coverage-map/

This shows that Verizon has good coverage in part of Wanaque, moderate coverage in part, and no coverage in part.

afraid_of_zombies ,

start publishing a coverage score for cities for cell coverage

Each of them has an internal one and since contractors bounce around it’s like a wiki but slower.

Brkdncr ,

Speedtest.net bought a service that was doing this already sort of. I looked just now and I think it’s their “map” option on their mobile app. You need to switch between carriers to see coverage.

The tech was based off of manual speed tests and a background app that would measure coverage from a phone for a small area, about the size of 3 square acres.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

uncarrier only until we buyout sprint and drop the “un”.

barsquid ,

I really wish the government would do their goddamn jobs regarding monopolies. Instead they are just accepting bribes and facilitating the mergers.

Stoney_Logica1 ,

Look into the current grocery monopoly in the making. Kroger is attempting to purchase Albertsons/Safeway.

Imgonnatrythis ,

That website was not safe for viewing

SaltySalamander ,

Unless you view it with an adblocker, like a sane human would do. Looks perfectly normal for me.

shortwavesurfer ,

Mind crossposting this to !t_mobile?

Also, they will lose. The FCC has said that the companies can build towers where they are needed for coverage. They might have to make it look like a tree or something, but they cannot be rejected from building it.

bassomitron ,

With the supreme Court overturning the Chevron decision last week, I’m not so sure that any federal regulatory bodies have much power anymore unless there’s a specific law passed by Congress. That’s what made that decision so dangerous, because the same applies to the FDA now regarding drugs and food.

shortwavesurfer ,

You know, that’s a good point. I didn’t even think of that. But you’re right.

lemmyvore ,

scotusblog.com/…/supreme-court-strikes-down-chevr…

A good overview of the circumstances of the recent Chevron decision.

Please note the final paragraph. Koch’s goal is exactly this: bringing cases in front of the Supreme Court that, if won, would cause grave disturbances.

Neato ,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

This isn’t regulatory. The auctions companies bid on and win have provisions in them that require companies to utilize the spectrum in X years. They must supply coverage if they bought the spectrum; they can’t sit on it.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Be surprised if the courts cause problems with this given that cellphones are 911 devices and a means of making government emergency announcements. Those typical override the wishes of the snti-vaxx Karens of planning boards

femtech ,

Ahhh more “health” quacks, I wonder if they also believe the COVID vaccines have 5g chips in them.

The town felt the residents would be ‘unsafe’ due to radio frequencies and rejected the company’s notion of building the tower on the land.

bionicjoey ,

Lol don’t tell them about all the radio frequencies around them all the time

aleph ,
@aleph@lemm.ee avatar

Or the EMF generators they carry around with them in their pockets, A.K.A their phones.

bionicjoey ,

Lol yeah, the things that are actually emitting half of every back-and-forth radio communication between a device and a cell tower

ms_lane ,

Which ironically, would also have less emf if they allowed the tower to be built, as is they’ll have higher emf and less battery life, since the radios will have to transmit at a higher power to get a good enough snr to next closest tower in their cell.

athairmor ,

Wait ‘til they learn what the sun is putting out.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

I wonder what they must think of telecommunication satellites.

The space rays are making me sick!

Alexstarfire ,

TBF, space rays make a lot of people sick. Skin cancer from UV rays.

capital ,

Those must be the Jewish space lasers Dipshit was talking about.

cmnybo ,

Tell them how much power the TV and radio broadcast towers put out and watch them freak out. The analog TV stations ran even higher power than the digital ones do now.

Etterra ,

Do you remember when people started selling faraday cages to “safeguard” people’s routers? So funny lol

afraid_of_zombies ,

Mad lads out there.

A buddy of mine had this idea for an anti-ghost device we could make and sell. It spins, lights up, has random ancient writing on it, vibrates, and makes a small amount of radio distortion on the AM band for a second to let you know it’s working.

Been considering it.

Blackmist ,

They’re beaming electromagnetic waves into your eyes, man!

catloaf ,

$5 says when they build it anyway everyone starts complaining about health problems, then they say they haven’t even turned it on yet

barsoap ,

They’ve definitely done that before, dunno if it was deliberately. They must have somewhat of an idea how long it takes for nocebo to kick in with the local village idiots, if it’s short enough it could actually be a rather good idea to make waiting a bit a general policy. Tank some mild capital and opportunity cost to prevent having to battle in court and the town newspaper? Sounds like a win to me.

bassomitron ,

Ackshually, being too close to high power radio frequencies isn’t safe. I remember at one base I was stationed at in Afghanistan, there was a smoke spot we all used to take breaks at. For some reason, I started developing really bad headaches and feeling kind of nauseous. I figured I was just acclimating to the local climate or something. After a few weeks, I was up on our building installing one of our satcom dishes on top of it when I noticed something. Right on the other side of the fence of that smoke area, was a ~2m high powered dish pointing just above above where the smoke area was. I pointed this out to the Norwegians that ran the camp and the break area was promptly moved, lol.

But seriously, I do not understand the anti-5G nutters.

Gormadt ,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Hell the high power WiFi equipment^‡^ I installed at my Grandma’s house had warnings about keeping a few feet clear of it when powered on due to health concerns and that’s just WiFi equipment. I can’t imagine the dosage of gnarly from a 2m powered dish.

‡ I installed that equipment because she wanted WiFi on all 10 acres of her property and she didn’t want me to install more stations around her property. Now she has the broadcast equipment in her garage with a tape line on the floor like it’s a Goddamned radiation research facility lol

bassomitron ,

Yeesh, I didn’t even know there were consumer grade WiFi transceivers that were strong enough to cover such a massive area. Was it a small farm or just a big property? That had to have been a pretty expensive WiFi system regardless. Did you use Ubiquiti directional access points or something?

I have a sister that runs a small family farm and she asked my brothers and me (3 of us have IT backgrounds/careers) for viable coverage solutions to their various livestock areas. We settled on just running copper to one barn from her house and broadcasting from there with a few repeaters equipped with trunk channels in order to maintain full duplex.

Gormadt ,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It’s a small farm and yeah it’s Ubiquiti hardware though I don’t think they sell it anymore. The last time I looked through their website I couldn’t find it again.

Though here’s the Amazon link

Basically this thing is located on one end of the property and on the other end there’s a nano station hooked up to a router because there was still a WiFi dead zone that she wanted covered. But given that that spot was inside a metal barn on the otherside of another metal barn I wasn’t surprised.

deranger ,

There’s nothing high power about that, It’s the same as everything else. Maximum 30dBm, about a watt.

catloaf ,

Does it work? I’d be surprised her phone can transmit loud enough to reach the base station.

Gormadt ,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It works great

Literally able to us the WiFi in a metal barn 50 yards away on the otherside of a garage

It doesn’t faff about

Mowing the field at her place my phone will stay connected to the WiFi basically the whole time, the only WiFi blind spot that I had to fix was on the far side of her property where there’s 2 metal barns, a garage, and a wall of her house between you and the broadcast equipment.

___ ,

If your antenna is strong enough, you can pick up a lot of lower power devices from a long ways off.

deranger ,

WiFi emissions are tightly regulated and there are no “high power” WiFi equipment unless you flash custom firmware and break the law. The link you posted below is the same power as anything else, up to the maximum allows by law. This is not uncommon, every router / AP does this unless it’s some special low power model.

shortwavesurfer ,

The higher the frequency, the worse that is. So standing very close to an HF antenna that only broadcasts up to like say 30 megahertz is different than standing next to a 700 megahertz cell phone antenna, which is different from standing next to a 2.5 gigahertz cell phone antenna. The reasoning for that is due to power levels and wavelength of the radio signal itself.

deranger ,

Humans are most sensitive to EM radiation between 30-300 MHz. It tapers off after that, it’s not linear where higher = worse for you across the entire spectrum.

www.fcc.gov/engineering-technology/…/rf-safety

In the case of exposure of the whole body, a standing ungrounded human adult absorbs RF energy at a maximum rate when the frequency of the RF radiation is in the range of about 70 MHz. This means that the “whole-body” SAR is at a maximum under these conditions. Because of this “resonance” phenomenon and consideration of children and grounded adults, RF safety standards are generally most restrictive in the frequency range of about 30 to 300 MHz.

shortwavesurfer ,

What about those military things that they use to disperse crowds? Where it makes you feel like your skin is cooking, but it’s actually not. I feel like that uses high power and high frequency radio waves to accomplish that.

Chronographs ,

This? it says that uses 95ghz which seems to be another frequency that is absorbed well. It’s not just because it’s cb high frequency, there’s specific frequencies that resonate with different things. Also it is definitely cooking your skin and you would be burned if you were hit long enough

0x0 ,

Won’t that increase probability of skin cancer?

Edit: yes:

there is an extremely low probability that scars derived from such injury might later become cancerous

deranger ,

Those are 95 GHz but very high power and focused as well.

It’s not that high frequency can’t hurt you, what I’m trying to say is for a given power level, 30-300 MHz is the most risky to humans. That’s why the FCC regulates this band the most stringently.

shortwavesurfer ,

Fair enough, there’s some really golden information in this thread.

femtech ,

Yeah, I was 25B cross trained with 25U and the mobile sat dishes needed cordoned off a certain degree area in front to not walk in front of. And the humvvee antennas on high power could burn you if you touched them while transmitting.

Neato ,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

FCC already has regulations on maximum power. These emitters are usually dozens of feet off the ground as well.

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